date:20171129


On 11/29/2017 11:45 PM, Edward Gould wrote:

But getting back to WATSON , we don’t know too much on how it works and how 
easily it is to use as a programmer that is.



"42"


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Re: IBM does what IBM does best: Raises the chopper again

> On Nov 29, 2017, at 8:33 PM, Jack J. Woehr  wrote:
> 
> On 11/29/2017 2:56 PM, Edward Gould wrote:
>>> IBM is going to produce the first marketable Quantum Computer.
>> And who is going to buy it? The people interesting in WATSON … maybe. There 
>> is blood in the water.
> 
> Famously, Thomas J. Watson, Jr. said around 1950 "Nobody's going to buy 
> computers. The whole world will need about four of them.”

Yes and I have heard the story about gates and more than 64K.

I suspect that as long as MVS or Z/OS is around it will be hard to get around 
the bottle necks that are built in to the OS. Hell look at TSO, (I won’t go 
there) IBM long ago lost the talent they had and it is pretty much a black hole 
as nobody understand the internals anymore. Watson does seem to have lifted the 
bottle necks and really can do multi tasking in its own way. 

IBM did a poor job in documenting TSO internals and we are now seeing the 
results as there are extremely few (if any) new products that areTSO oriented.
I could be wrong on this but I think that SDSF was the last new product IBM 
offered that was too based.

But getting back to WATSON , we don’t know too much on how it works and how 
easily it is to use as a programmer that is.

Ed

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Re: IBM does what IBM does best: Raises the chopper again

> On Nov 29, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Anne & Lynn Wheeler  wrote:
> 
> prior to gov. legal action, IBM steep educational discount and there was
> IBM mainframes in lots of universities ... then with the 23June1969
> unbundling announcement ... those educational discounts went away.
> past posts/refs
> http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle 
> 
I guess I did not make myself clear there was a product (software) that IBM 
sold/leased/whatever for learning JCL and other stuff. I installed it so I know 
it ran on MVS.
I do not remember any details other than that. I was *NOT* referring to 
hardware as I know a little bit about that. I am at lost to tell you the name, 
god getting old is hell.
If I had to guess a date it was in the early 80’s but don’t hold me to that. I 
left the job in the mid 80’s, so it had to be installed before that.
I do no remember if the education department used it widely, I do not remember 
ever getting calls about issues with it.

Ed



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Re: IBM does what IBM does best: Raises the chopper again


On 11/29/2017 7:42 PM, John McKown wrote:

  I have trouble trying to
figure out how it is going to allow payroll to run more efficiently



Here's a really good summary of QC /qua/ information science, from IBM 
pages, of course.


https://quantumexperience.ng.bluemix.net/qx/tutorial?sectionId=full-user-guide=000-FAQ~2F000-Frequently_Asked_Questions

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On 11/29/2017 10:44 PM, Edward Finnell wrote:

Quantum Computing is available now via IBM's cloud.
  
https://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/49661.wss



Yes, it's lots of fun. Log in, it's free.

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Re: IBM does what IBM does best: Raises the chopper again


On 11/29/2017 7:42 PM, John McKown wrote:

Do you have any_good_  web sites? I find it interesting, but it appears
mainly to address highly parallel processing. I have trouble trying to
figure out how it is going to allow payroll to run more efficiently (be
that faster or cheaper). I can see it doing cryptography, or especially
breaking same. Or protein folding.


It's not parallel processing. QC leverages the weirdness of the physical 
universe to solve
problems that have a hidden twist within them of a sort which is not 
exploitable through

classical math nor through classic computation.

It's as if subatomic particles spoke to us and said, "In binary 
computing, you've been using us as beads
on an abacus. But look what amazing dances we can do on our own, which 
mirror computational
truths because those computational truths are themselves manifestations 
of mankind's limited

grasp of the physical universe."

It's not parallel processing. It's just weirdness we didn't know was 
there and useful until we looked.


Log into IBM Quantum Experience and RTFM and follow links and blogs 
which in turn will take you to links
and blogs, lather, rinse, repeat :) If the math makes your head hurt, 
come back and post here.


IBM Quantum Experience is great because/these folks are the absolute 
100% bleeding edge/
of the real-world engineering making these amazing theoretical fantasies 
come true.


That's who effing IBM is. Absolutely the bleeding edge of computational 
engineering, bar none.


They used to sell meat scales, you know.

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Re: IBM does what IBM does best: Raises the chopper again

2017-11-29 Thread Edward Finnell

Quantum Computing is available now via IBM's cloud.
 
https://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/49661.wss
 
 
In a message dated 11/29/2017 8:34:53 PM Central Standard Time, j...@well.com 
writes:

 
You should take a look at Quantum Computing before you dismiss it.

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Re: IBM does what IBM does best: Raises the chopper again

2017-11-29 Thread David Crayford


On 30/11/2017 10:33 AM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

On 11/29/2017 2:56 PM, Edward Gould wrote:

IBM is going to produce the first marketable Quantum Computer.
And who is going to buy it? The people interesting in WATSON … maybe. 
There is blood in the water.


Famously, Thomas J. Watson, Jr. said around 1950 "Nobody's going to 
buy computers. The whole world will need about four of them."




IBM need to do a Micrsoft and bring in a visionary CEO to turn them 
around. Satya Nadella has reinvented Microsoft from root to branch. 
Microsoft are now one of the biggest contributors to open source 
software in the world. Who would have thought that under Steve Balmer? 
They also make great products that people want to buy. I'm afraid that 
IBM isn't going to win in the cloud when they are up against the likes 
of Amazon, Microsoft and Google.


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Re: IBM does what IBM does best: Raises the chopper again

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Jack J. Woehr  wrote:

> On 11/29/2017 3:13 PM, Steve Thompson wrote:
>
>> And so now IBM is pushing Cognitive computing, and talking about Quantum
>> computing.
>>
>
>
> All those things you name were steps along the road.
>
>
> You should take a look at Quantum Computing before you dismiss it.


Do you have any _good_ web sites? I find it interesting, but it appears
mainly to address highly parallel processing. I have trouble trying to
figure out how it is going to allow payroll to run more efficiently (be
that faster or cheaper). I can see it doing cryptography, or especially
breaking same. Or protein folding.



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Re: CSVDYLPA ADD question.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Jim Mulder  wrote:

>   While there are also other advantages to CSVDYLPA (like creating a CDE,
> so that SLIP and IPCS can find the module by name), we likely would
> consider it incompatible to change the documented meaning of the
> LOADTOGLOBAL option on the IEFSSIVT macro.   Adding a new
> IEFSSIVT option to use CSVDYLPA would be more palatable.
> Unfortunately, the code for the dynamic SSI functions in
> MVS/ESA SP5,2.0 was written in a prototype internal Object Oriented
> language, which is now an effectively dead language (no longer
> supported, and very few developers who speak it).  So that adds to
> the degree of difficulty for doing SSI enhancements.
>

I appreciate your taking the time to explain things to me. At least for
me, in the weird idea forming in my head, I think that I'm going to go with
using CSVDYLPA to load my module into CSA, if it isn't already there and
use the FUNCADDR instead of the FUNCNAME in the IEFSSVTI macro. Too bad the
only example I've found, in the book, only shows how to use FUNCNAME=. Oh,
well, there may be some hints in the comments within the macro for me.

If I get my weird idea working, the code will be generally available to all
on the CBTtape.org site, of course.

>
> Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test  IBM Corp.
> Poughkeepsie NY
>
>

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On 11/29/2017 3:13 PM, Steve Thompson wrote:
And so now IBM is pushing Cognitive computing, and talking about 
Quantum computing. 



All those things you name were steps along the road.


You should take a look at Quantum Computing before you dismiss it.


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On 11/29/2017 2:56 PM, Edward Gould wrote:

IBM is going to produce the first marketable Quantum Computer.

And who is going to buy it? The people interesting in WATSON … maybe. There is 
blood in the water.


Famously, Thomas J. Watson, Jr. said around 1950 "Nobody's going to buy 
computers. The whole world will need about four of them."


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Re: SAS - DB2 conversion to Java

2017-11-29 Thread David Crayford


On 30/11/2017 9:11 AM, Frank Swarbrick wrote:

I've never heard of Kotlin, but it seems to me that Android would be better off 
supporting Swift before it goes another direction.  Or does it already support 
Swift?


The three supported programming languages on Android are Java, Kotlin 
and C/C++ for native code. Android runs Googles Dalvik JVM so it 
requires a JVM language. For z/OS I would choose Kotlin over Swift any 
day of the week. It's a no brainer really, it can access the gargantuan 
Java eco-system and it runs on a zIIP. The languages are very similar 
http://nilhcem.com/swift-is-like-kotlin/.




From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of David 
Crayford 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:15 PM
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Subject: Re: SAS - DB2 conversion to Java

On 29/11/2017 8:00 AM, Andrew Rowley wrote:

- I think the reporting is SQL based? SMF data was not designed to be
queried using SQL. I have been down that path. On the other hand, Java
classes are beautiful for working with SMF data (not quite as nice as
C# but still very good).

If you like C# you should take a look at Kotlin, which is even better
and runs on the JVM. It's quickly becoming the language of choice for
Android developers which is no surprise giving it's similarities to
Swift
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/05/android-announces-support-for-kotlin.html.

Java doesn't feel like a new language. It lacks features introduced in
other languages over a decade ago. Java 10 introduces type inference but
it's too little too late. Check out Kotlins Nullable feature. No more
NullPointerExceptions, yay! data classes, properties, a really powerful
lambda syntax and seamless Java interop make it a joy to program in. The
learning curve for Java programmers is small. It took me a couple of
days which is significantly less then the far more complex Scala which I
have yet to completely master.

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Re: SAS - DB2 conversion to Java

2017-11-29 Thread Frank Swarbrick

I've never heard of Kotlin, but it seems to me that Android would be better off 
supporting Swift before it goes another direction.  Or does it already support 
Swift?

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On 29/11/2017 8:00 AM, Andrew Rowley wrote:
> - I think the reporting is SQL based? SMF data was not designed to be
> queried using SQL. I have been down that path. On the other hand, Java
> classes are beautiful for working with SMF data (not quite as nice as
> C# but still very good).

If you like C# you should take a look at Kotlin, which is even better
and runs on the JVM. It's quickly becoming the language of choice for
Android developers which is no surprise giving it's similarities to
Swift
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/05/android-announces-support-for-kotlin.html.

Java doesn't feel like a new language. It lacks features introduced in
other languages over a decade ago. Java 10 introduces type inference but
it's too little too late. Check out Kotlins Nullable feature. No more
NullPointerExceptions, yay! data classes, properties, a really powerful
lambda syntax and seamless Java interop make it a joy to program in. The
learning curve for Java programmers is small. It took me a couple of
days which is significantly less then the far more complex Scala which I
have yet to completely master.

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Re: CSVDYLPA ADD question.

2017-11-29 Thread Jim Mulder

  While there are also other advantages to CSVDYLPA (like creating a CDE,
so that SLIP and IPCS can find the module by name), we likely would 
consider it incompatible to change the documented meaning of the 
LOADTOGLOBAL option on the IEFSSIVT macro.   Adding a new 
IEFSSIVT option to use CSVDYLPA would be more palatable.
Unfortunately, the code for the dynamic SSI functions in 
MVS/ESA SP5,2.0 was written in a prototype internal Object Oriented
language, which is now an effectively dead language (no longer 
supported, and very few developers who speak it).  So that adds to
the degree of difficulty for doing SSI enhancements. 

Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test  IBM Corp. 
Poughkeepsie NY

John McKown  wrote on 11/29/2017 01:53:00 
PM:
 12:37 PM, Jim Mulder  wrote:
> 
> >   IEFSSVT was created in MVS/ESA SP5.2.0, before the existence of
> > CSVDYLPA,  which was created in OS/390 2.4.
> >
> 
> That makes sense. And, since it works well, there's never been any real
> need to update the internals. Hum, I wonder if someone could argue that
> continuing to use the LOAD instead of CVSDYLPA is some sort of 
"exposure",
> even though it is documented.
> 

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Re: IBM does what IBM does best: Raises the chopper again

2017-11-29 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler

edgould1...@comcast.net (Edward Gould) writes:
> The latest buzz word is education on the computer. IBM tried that 40
> years ago and it was an abysmal failure. Pretty soon they are going to
> make a pizza making MF.  Now, how do you deliver a 20 ton computer
> with a flat top to a neighborhood that has narrow streets?

prior to gov. legal action, IBM steep educational discount and there was
IBM mainframes in lots of universities ... then with the 23June1969
unbundling announcement ... those educational discounts went away.
past posts/refs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle
recent post referencing ACIS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017j.html#76 A Computer That Never Was: the IBM 
7095

with relaxing of gov. pressure in the early 80s, IBM tried to get back
into educational market, setting up ACIS ... initially with $300M for
giving away to educational institutions ... MIT Project Athena got $25M
(jointly with another $25M from DEC), CMU got $50M for various andrew
efforts (MACH, unix work-alike, camelot/encina ... unix transaction
processing, andrew fileystems, etc) ... lots of other institutions.

my brother was regional Apple marketing rep in this period (largest
physical region in CONUS) with several univ. institutions. He would
comment that he would fawn over any IBM coffee mugs at customer sites
and say he liked them so much that he would be willing to trade two
apple mugs for every IBM mug (selling appleII and MACs against IBM/PC).

sometime earlier, IBM had 1500
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1500

picture of my (future) wife ... she had job at the Naval academy in
Annapolis, programming IBM 1500 courses (before she joined IBM)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/1500.jpg

1500 installations, gone but lives on at wayback machine
https://web.archive.org/web/20090604181740/http://www.uofaweb.ualberta.ca/educationhistory/IBM1500Systems_NorthAmerica.cfm

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

2017-11-29 Thread Ed Jaffe


On 11/29/2017 11:41 AM, Mark Zelden wrote:



   ERROR DESCRIPTION:
   We just installed and deployed PCOMM 13.0. It was released
   November 9, 2017.

   The "about" screen shows 20171108 S - 13.0.0.0

   The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!


Love the use of "We" in the error description.  So IBM just installed and 
deployed
PCOMM 13.0 and found the problem.  :-)


Haha! They just took my PMR text verbatim as the APAR error description. 
It says it all!


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Re: IBM does what IBM does best: Raises the chopper again

> On Nov 29, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Steve Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Quantum computing. Cognitive computing.
> 
> Back in 1990-95, as I recall, IBM had KT, ESE, TIRS, and IBM Prolog for 370 
> (which ran on VM and MVS).
> 
> How many here know what any of the above products were?
> 
> Anybody ever have a copy to work with or know of any shop that had one of 
> those products in production?
> 
> I happen to know of two installations back in those days.
> 
> And so now IBM is pushing Cognitive computing, and talking about Quantum 
> computing.
> 
> It seems to me that the chopping block is being used to cut costs in an 
> effort to have a positive Earnings Per Share -- while buying as many shares 
> as they can.
> 
> Yeah, there is blood in the water.
> 
> Regards,
> Steve Thompson

The latest buzz word is education on the computer. IBM tried that 40 years ago 
and it was an abysmal failure. Pretty soon they are going to make a pizza 
making MF.
Now, how do you deliver a 20 ton computer with a flat top to a neighborhood 
that has narrow streets?

Ed


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Re: IBM does what IBM does best: Raises the chopper again

2017-11-29 Thread Steve Thompson


Quantum computing. Cognitive computing.

Back in 1990-95, as I recall, IBM had KT, ESE, TIRS, and IBM 
Prolog for 370 (which ran on VM and MVS).


How many here know what any of the above products were?

Anybody ever have a copy to work with or know of any shop that 
had one of those products in production?


I happen to know of two installations back in those days.

And so now IBM is pushing Cognitive computing, and talking about 
Quantum computing.


It seems to me that the chopping block is being used to cut costs 
in an effort to have a positive Earnings Per Share -- while 
buying as many shares as they can.


Yeah, there is blood in the water.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

On 11/29/2017 04:56 PM, Edward Gould wrote:

On Nov 28, 2017, at 7:57 AM, Jack J. Woehr  wrote:



The first-ever layoffs that inaugurated the Gerstner era led to a complete 
renaissance at IBM that endured up to and through the Great Recession.

Maybe we're on the dawn of a new era. IBM is shedding the 20th century and 
stepping into the 21st.

IBM is going to produce the first marketable Quantum Computer.


And who is going to buy it? The people interesting in WATSON … maybe. There is 
blood in the water.

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> On Nov 28, 2017, at 7:57 AM, Jack J. Woehr  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> The first-ever layoffs that inaugurated the Gerstner era led to a complete 
> renaissance at IBM that endured up to and through the Great Recession.
> 
> Maybe we're on the dawn of a new era. IBM is shedding the 20th century and 
> stepping into the 21st.
> 
> IBM is going to produce the first marketable Quantum Computer.

And who is going to buy it? The people interesting in WATSON … maybe. There is 
blood in the water.

Ed



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Re: DNS issue

2017-11-29 Thread Bill Bishop (TMNA)

All;

F RESOLVER,REFRESH and finding all the locations they had the IP addresses 
defined, finally cleared the issue.

Thank you all.

Thanks

Bill Bishop
Consultant, Mainframe Engineer
Mainframe and Scheduling | Infrastructure Technology Services 
Toyota Motor North America
 bill.bis...@toyota.com
Office:  (469) 292-5149
Cell:  (502) 316-4386

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
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did you refresh or recycle the resolver ? 
Carmen 


- Original Message -

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Subject: DNS issue 

All; 

The windows group has decommissioned and removed a DNS server that I had in my 
TCPDATA member. I have updated the member and recycled TCPIP, but I am still 
having tasks try to resolve to it. 

My question is "Do I need to bounce RESOLVER also, and if so, is it just a P 
RESOLVER and S RESOLVER? 

Thanks 

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Re: Contact data for Maynard, Shedlock and Wathen?

2017-11-29 Thread Mike Schwab

https://twitter.com/tronguy?lang=en for Jay Menard.  Has ignored
Hercules inquiries in the past.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> Does anyone have current e-mail addresses for George Shedlock, Jay Maynard or 
> Gene Wathen? Thanks.
>
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

2017-11-29 Thread Mark Zelden

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 11:04:08 -0800, Ed Jaffe  
wrote:

>On 11/22/2017 7:27 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
>>
>> I'll let you know when I get a real APAR number (or whatever passes
>> for an APAR in this "loosy goosey" off-platform DevOps programming
>> world...)
>
>   APAR Identifier .. IT23290  Last Changed  17/11/27
>   PCOM: 3270 DELETE KEY DOES NOT WORK WITH PCOM V13
>
>
>   Symptom .. IN INCORROUT Status ... INTRAN
>   Severity ... 3  Date Closed .
>   Component .. 5639I7000  Duplicate of 
>   Reported Release . D00  Fixed Release 
>   Component Name PCOMM COMBO-ENG  Special Notice
>   Current Target Date ..  Flags
>   SCP ...
>   Platform 
>
>   Status Detail: Not Available
>
>   PE PTF List:
>
>   PTF List:
>
>
>   Parent APAR:
>   Child APAR list:
>
>
>   ERROR DESCRIPTION:
>   We just installed and deployed PCOMM 13.0. It was released
>   November 9, 2017.
>
>   The "about" screen shows 20171108 S - 13.0.0.0
>
>   The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!
>
>
>   LOCAL FIX:
>   None


Love the use of "We" in the error description.  So IBM just installed and 
deployed 
PCOMM 13.0 and found the problem.  :-)   

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

2017-11-29 Thread Ed Jaffe


On 11/22/2017 7:27 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:


I'll let you know when I get a real APAR number (or whatever passes 
for an APAR in this "loosy goosey" off-platform DevOps programming 
world...)


  APAR Identifier .. IT23290  Last Changed  17/11/27
  PCOM: 3270 DELETE KEY DOES NOT WORK WITH PCOM V13


  Symptom .. IN INCORROUT Status ... INTRAN
  Severity ... 3  Date Closed .
  Component .. 5639I7000  Duplicate of 
  Reported Release . D00  Fixed Release 
  Component Name PCOMM COMBO-ENG  Special Notice
  Current Target Date ..  Flags
  SCP ...
  Platform 

  Status Detail: Not Available

  PE PTF List:

  PTF List:


  Parent APAR:
  Child APAR list:


  ERROR DESCRIPTION:
  We just installed and deployed PCOMM 13.0. It was released
  November 9, 2017.

  The "about" screen shows 20171108 S - 13.0.0.0

  The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!


  LOCAL FIX:
  None


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Re: CSVDYLPA ADD question.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Jim Mulder  wrote:

>   IEFSSVT was created in MVS/ESA SP5.2.0, before the existence of
> CSVDYLPA,  which was created in OS/390 2.4.
>

That makes sense. And, since it works well, there's never been any real
need to update the internals. Hum, I wonder if someone could argue that
continuing to use the LOAD instead of CVSDYLPA is some sort of "exposure",
even though it is documented.

>
> Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test  IBM Corp.
> Poughkeepsie NY
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Re: Ouch your own self...Apple Mac bug

2017-11-29 Thread Edward Finnell

One of the Tech reporters on Bloomberg was saying he was using 
apple.bugreporter.com and it was yanked to work on the 'root' problem.
I don't have access but my nephew in Atlanta does. He says most of the ones 
they've seen were in power management and nasty Apps for IOS.
 
 
In a message dated 11/29/2017 11:12:32 AM Central Standard Time, 
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu writes:

 
Did I hear something similar about iOS, or was I just misreading another
instance of this story?

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Re: CSVDYLPA ADD question.

2017-11-29 Thread Jim Mulder

  IEFSSVT was created in MVS/ESA SP5.2.0, before the existence of 
CSVDYLPA,  which was created in OS/390 2.4. 

Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test  IBM Corp. 
Poughkeepsie NY

John McKown  wrote on 11/29/2017 11:50:46 
AM:


> I'm guessing that LOADTOGLOBAL literally means "LOAD GLOBAL=YES,EOM=YES" 
is
> specified within the IEFSSVT processing. Which, of course, makes me 
wonder
> why it doesn't do a CSVDYLPA to load the module into CSA instead.



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Re: DNS issue

2017-11-29 Thread Carmen Vitullo

did you refresh or recycle the resolver ? 
Carmen 

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Subject: DNS issue 

All; 

The windows group has decommissioned and removed a DNS server that I had in my 
TCPDATA member. I have updated the member and recycled TCPIP, but I am still 
having tasks try to resolve to it. 

My question is "Do I need to bounce RESOLVER also, and if so, is it just a P 
RESOLVER and S RESOLVER? 

Thanks 

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Re: How to use master catalog as user catalog in another system

2017-11-29 Thread Lizette Koehler

Is the HLQ for the product libraries in a USERCAT or the MasterCAT

For example, I only have SYS1.datasets cataloged in the master cat that are 
needed to IPL the system. All of my other products are in a user cat.

For example a product from Computer Associates - CA - called Vantage has an HLQ 
of VANT

I point that with a DEF ALIAS (NAME('VANT') RELATE('UCAT.CA.PRODUCTS')

So on a new system I can create an alias pointing to a similar UCAT and then 
DFDSS Dump/Restore with CATALOG, and it is all cataloged


Lizette


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> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 7:27 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: How to use master catalog as user catalog in another system
> 
> Thanks,  Tom and Lizette  for your quick response .
> 
> Lizette, I'm trying this in sanbox where i will  going to run my product
> which was installed already in SYSA , i would like to use all the product
> dataset's  in SYSB for testing .I alredy transferred VOLUME(contain all
> product dataset)  to sysB  . though i  have volume i'm not able to fetch the
> dataset  since they are not cataloged. So i  thought of going alternate
> master catalog .
> 
> 
> + JD +
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Lizette Koehler 
> wrote:
> 
> > What problem are you trying to solve?
> >
> > Creating an alt master cat and importing it to a new system may only
> > fix some of your issues.
> >
> > Consider the master catalog like the ROOT in Unix.  It controls where
> > things can be found in z/OS.  It is the key to the IPL Process.  If
> > anything is not correct in the MCAT then an IPL may not work.
> >
> >
> > There is a manual on working with catalogs.  And if this is not a
> > sandbox
> > - that is - if this system cannot take outages if there are issues you
> > should take care there could be challenges by doing this.
> >
> > It helps if you have a system programmer sandbox when working with
> > catalogs.  This is an environment where if things get broken, there is
> > not impact to other work going on in the shop.
> >
> >
> > If there are issues with your catalog, you may need to IPL or other
> > activities to fix it.  For example - catalog recovery processes
> >
> > If you are not the system programmer, you should contact the one at
> > your shop.  They can help you with your activities and reduce
> > potential problems.  This list does not know your shop or your
> > configuration.  It can only provide guidance based on information
> > provided.  You system programmer can be better at helping you with these
> types of questions.
> >
> > When you import the master cat from another system, you cannot not see
> > all of the datasets.  Anything currently cataloged on the new system
> > in the MasterCat may not be seen.
> >
> > If you want datasets that are in the MCAT on SYSA on SYSB and you want
> > are
> > SYS1.** datasets, then you may not see them on SYSB.
> >
> > A catalog is a tree structure.  MCAT entries over ride UCAT (user
> > catalog) entries.
> >
> > IMPORT CONNECT does -
> >
> > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.
> > 0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.idai200/toc.htm
> >
> > The IMPORT command moves or restores a cluster or alternate index, or
> > restores a catalog. Import a Catalog: Example 2
> >
> > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.
> > 0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.idai200/imicf.htm
> >
> > In this example, a catalog, USERCAT4, that was previously exported, is
> > imported. (See the EXPORT example, Export a Catalog: Example 1.) The
> > original copy of USERCAT4 is replaced with the imported copy, from the
> > portable file copy in CATBACK. Access method services finds and
> > deletes the duplicate name, USERCAT4. Any aliases in the master
> > catalog for USERCAT4 are preserved. (A duplicate name exists because
> > the catalog was exported with the TEMPORARY attribute.) Access method
> > services then redefines USERCAT4, using the catalog information from the
> portable file, CATBACK.
> > USERCAT4 is locked to prevent access to anyone except authorized
> > recovery personnel.
> >
> > Another search for CONNECT MASTER CATALOG in www.ibm.com  produces
> > many hits
> >
> > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.
> > 0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.e0zb100/migrtas.htm
> >
> > Migrating to another system section in z/OS Planning manual.  This
> > section only lists actions you need to take to move a copy of software
> > from one system to another. It does not list the actions needed to
> > install and migrate new levels of software. For that information, see
> > other documentation such as z/OS Migration.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I went to www.ibm.com and searched on CATALOG MASTERCAT
> >
> > http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?crawler=1=isg3T1019473
> >
> > http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1II13354
> >
> > And many other hits.
> >

Re: Contact data for Maynard, Shedlock and Wathen?

2017-11-29 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.

Last I saw of Maynard, he was stuck inside of a computer trying to avoid the 
Grid Bugs.

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[External Email]

Does anyone have current e-mail addresses for George Shedlock, Jay Maynard or 
Gene Wathen? Thanks.

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Contact data for Maynard, Shedlock and Wathen?

2017-11-29 Thread Seymour J Metz

Does anyone have current e-mail addresses for George Shedlock, Jay Maynard or 
Gene Wathen? Thanks.


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Re: DNS issue

2017-11-29 Thread Allan Staller

F RESOLVER,REFRESH

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All;

The windows group has decommissioned and removed a DNS server that I had in my 
TCPDATA member.  I have updated the member and recycled TCPIP, but I am still 
having tasks try to resolve to it.

My question is "Do I need to bounce RESOLVER also, and if so, is it just a P 
RESOLVER and S RESOLVER?  

Thanks

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Re: DNS issue

2017-11-29 Thread Steve Horein

It looks like "REFRESH" may be the way to go:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.halu101/resolvecmd.htm


On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Bill Bishop (TMNA)  wrote:

> All;
>
> The windows group has decommissioned and removed a DNS server that I had
> in my TCPDATA member.  I have updated the member and recycled TCPIP, but I
> am still having tasks try to resolve to it.
>
> My question is "Do I need to bounce RESOLVER also, and if so, is it just a
> P RESOLVER and S RESOLVER?
>
> Thanks
>
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> Consultant, Mainframe Engineer
> Mainframe and Scheduling | Infrastructure Technology Services
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Re: CSVDYLPA ADD question.

2017-11-29 Thread Charles Mills

Not super familiar with SSI but use CSVDYLPA. Lots of options, but I can tell 
you yes, potentially a module added with CSVDYLPA can survive the termination 
of the issuer of the macro.

Charles


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Subject: CSVDYLPA ADD question.

I'm looking at  example #1 here:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.ieaa100/iea3a1_Description18.htm#dylpaxm

What I'm thinking of is in regards to a subsystem (SSI) initialization which 
occurs after IPL (i.e. not via the IEFSSNnn member of PARMLIB). The above seems 
like a decent way to add the required code from a "steplib"
into the running LPA so that it is usable, even if the initialization address 
space terminates for some reason. The basic logic that I'm looking at is to do 
something like (really stripped down):

1) Determine if the subsystem is already running & terminate if so.
2) Determine if the required module(s) are already in LPA & if not load them as 
above.
3) Determine if the subsystem is defined & if not then use IEFSS* macros to 
define it.
4) Set up the subsystem (IEFSS* macros) and continue.

Now, my question is "Will the module added with the CSVDYLPA continue to be 
valid even if the initialization address space terminates?". The documentation 
doesn't indicate that it will "go away", so I am hoping that it continues to be 
usable even if the address space terminates. But I am somewhat concerned due to 
the fact that in a Share presentation on the SSI it had a strong emphasis that 
"LOADTOGLOBAL" should only be used on the IEFSSVT macro if one can be certain 
that the address space will _never_ terminate.

I'm guessing that LOADTOGLOBAL literally means "LOAD GLOBAL=YES,EOM=YES" is 
specified within the IEFSSVT processing. Which, of course, makes me wonder why 
it doesn't do a CSVDYLPA to load the module into CSA instead.

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Re: Ouch your own self...Apple Mac bug

2017-11-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 06:12:03 -0500, Edward Finnell wrote:

>https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2017/11/28/apple-macos-high-sierra-guilty-of-really-stupid-password-bug/#421b3cd11d57
> 
>Yowee, anybody, anywhere can get your stuff.
> 
Did I hear something similar about iOS, or was I just misreading another
instance of this story?

Reminiscent of a time Sun inadvertently distributed a Solaris with a telnet
server containing a magic root password.  Sun leveraged this into removing
all support for telnet server, which had always accepted passwords in clear.

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DNS issue

2017-11-29 Thread Bill Bishop (TMNA)

All;

The windows group has decommissioned and removed a DNS server that I had in my 
TCPDATA member.  I have updated the member and recycled TCPIP, but I am still 
having tasks try to resolve to it.

My question is "Do I need to bounce RESOLVER also, and if so, is it just a P 
RESOLVER and S RESOLVER?  

Thanks

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Toyota Motor North America
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Re: IEFSSIVT LOADTOGLOBAL question (Share SSI presentation 2015)

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:24 AM, John McKown 
wrote:

> I picked up a Share presentation
>
> On page 14, it has a red highlight to use LOADTOGLOBAL if & only if you
> can guarantee that the subsystem address space "can never terminate". The
> reason is not explained and I'm wondering why. I am guessing that the
> reason is that it uses some facility which results in the global module
> being released if the address space terminates. Which leads to another
> question, which I will ask separately.
>

Well, I guess that I should read the macro comments instead of the
documentation. LOADTOGLOBAL is documented, in the macro, to use LOAD
GLOBAL=(YES,P),EOM=NO to put the module into CSA. 

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Re: Consolidate Consoles

2017-11-29 Thread Bill Bishop (TMNA)

CA also has a product call Automation Point.

It does cost, not sure if it is beyond your budget or not.

It does take all console traffic and displays it on a single screen.  It uses a 
server to host the base product and display the message traffic.  It can 
provide remote access to the server so a second console can be used to view 
messages.

It can also support additional downstream message management.

I use it to consolidate traffic for 9 LPARs, and with all the message 
suppression, it is very easy to manage.

Thanks

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
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Subject: Re: Consolidate Consoles

Not too far out there...
 *realize this is a bit 'out there' but CA's Solve: Operations has something 
called OCS.*


*– VigneshMainframe Infrastructure*

We use CA-Solve OCS. Additionally our ops use  PCOMM on old Win XP machines 
with multiple sessions/windows for each LPAR in our Sysplex.

I expect that the CA-Solve solution costs too much and the OP wants a cheap 
solution.

Our PCOMM/Console sessions are attached via ICC.

I like Tom Brennans suggestion too.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:19 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson 
wrote:

> We have used VCC for decades to present consoles from multiple 
> sysplexes a single screen. Software runs on Linux. Operator can select 
> which sysplex console to display. No host software required.
>
> .
> .
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> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 11:37 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: (External):Re: Consolidate Consoles
>
> I realize this is a bit 'out there' but CA's Solve: Operations has 
> something called OCS.
>
> – Vignesh
> Mainframe Infrastructure
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
> Sent: 28 November 2017 10:53
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Consolidate Consoles
>
> That is a thought.
>
> Tony Thigpen
>
> Tom Brennan wrote on 11/27/2017 11:58 PM:
> > A bit far-fetched, but:
> >
> > Create a HLLAPI application that reads a number of minimized ICC 
> > terminal emulators and piles all the console messages into a single 
> > display.  Use a different text color for each - just like sysplexed 
> > consoles do.
> >
> > For command input, have the operator open that particular emulator 
> > window.  That way you avoid HLLAPI code for command input and 
> > routing, and (more importantly) you force the user to focus their 
> > attention on one system.  Once the command is entered, minimize the 
> > emulator window and the big HLLAPI application with all the messages shows 
> > again.
> >
> > Tony Thigpen wrote:
> >> That is what I initially suggested. Then they said "but can we do 
> >> it with one session window open?" Thus my question.
> >>
> >> Tony Thigpen
> >>
> >> Porowski, Kenneth wrote on 11/27/2017 04:20 PM:
> >>
> >>> A single PC with multiple 3270 sessions to an ICC would work, just 
> >>> get a monitor(s) big enough to see/read all the sessions at the 
> >>> same time.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> >>> [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
> >>> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 2:58 PM
> >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >>> Subject: [IBM-MAIN] Consolidate Consoles
> >>>
> >>> I have been asked about "Console Consolidation" for our multiple 
> >>> zOS LPARs. Management wants to know what is available that will 
> >>> let us have one display with all the console traffic from 5 LPARs. 
> >>> They are envisioning a PC based solution, but we have the ability 
> >>> to run something on zVM. (These z/OS LPARs are not under z/VM, but 
> >>> we have z/VM on another CPU with NJE interconnection.)
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
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>
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Re: How to use master catalog as user catalog in another system

2017-11-29 Thread Seymour J Metz

That depends on how you cataloged them. But  I suspect that the the OP is not 
using SYMBOLICRELATE.


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If you copied the product datasets from a SYSA volume to a SYSB volume and then 
attempt to use the SYSA catalog to access them from SYSB, you will end up 
accessing the datasets on the SYSA volume.  Since you went through the effort 
to copy them, I assume this is not desirable.

Without specifying a vol-ser on all your DD statements, the only way to access 
the datasets on the SYSB volume is to have catalog entries that point to the 
SYSB volume.  You can use ISPF 3.4 to list the datasets on the SYSB volume and 
issue the appropriate ISPF or IDCAMS commands to create those catalog entries 
in the SYSB catalog.

As others have pointed out, it is a good idea to restrict the master catalog to 
system datasets and place product and user datasets in one or more user 
catalogs.  However, unless you want SYSB to access the datasets on the SYSA 
volume, this would have no effect on your current effort.  It does not matter 
if the catalog entry for a dataset is in the master or a user catalog. If the 
entry points to a SYSA volume, any allocation that uses that catalog entry will 
find the dataset on the SYSA volume.

There are way for a catalog entry to point to different volumes based on which 
system is performing the allocation (for example, using a system symbol for the 
volume) but that is a whole new discussion.

> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of johnnydeep san
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 6:27 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: How to use master catalog as user catalog in another system
>
> Thanks,  Tom and Lizette  for your quick response .
>
> Lizette, I'm trying this in sanbox where i will  going to run my product
> which was installed already in SYSA , i would like to use all the product
> dataset's  in SYSB for testing .I alredy
> transferred VOLUME(contain all product dataset)  to sysB  . though i  have
> volume i'm not able to fetch the dataset  since they are not cataloged. So
> i  thought of going alternate master catalog .
>
>
> + JD +
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Lizette Koehler
> 
> wrote:
>
> > What problem are you trying to solve?
> >
> > Creating an alt master cat and importing it to a new system may only fix
> > some of your issues.
> >
> > Consider the master catalog like the ROOT in Unix.  It controls where
> > things can be found in z/OS.  It is the key to the IPL Process.  If
> > anything is not correct in the MCAT then an IPL may not work.
> >
> >
> > There is a manual on working with catalogs.  And if this is not a sandbox
> > - that is - if this system cannot take outages if there are issues you
> > should take care there could be challenges by doing this.
> >
> > It helps if you have a system programmer sandbox when working with
> > catalogs.  This is an environment where if things get broken, there is not
> > impact to other work going on in the shop.
> >
> >
> > If there are issues with your catalog, you may need to IPL or other
> > activities to fix it.  For example - catalog recovery processes
> >
> > If you are not the system programmer, you should contact the one at your
> > shop.  They can help you with your activities and reduce potential
> > problems.  This list does not know your shop or your configuration.  It can
> > only provide guidance based on information provided.  You system
> programmer
> > can be better at helping you with these types of questions.
> >
> > When you import the master cat from another system, you cannot not see
> all
> > of the datasets.  Anything currently cataloged on the new system in the
> > MasterCat may not be seen.
> >
> > If you want datasets that are in the MCAT on SYSA on SYSB and you want
> are
> > SYS1.** datasets, then you may not see them on SYSB.
> >
> > A catalog is a tree structure.  MCAT entries over ride UCAT (user catalog)
> > entries.
> >
> > IMPORT CONNECT does -
> >
> > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.
> > 0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.idai200/toc.htm
> >
> > The IMPORT command moves or restores a cluster or alternate index, or
> > restores a catalog. Import a Catalog: Example 2
> >
> > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.
> > 0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.idai200/imicf.htm
> >
> > In this example, a catalog, USERCAT4, that was previously exported, is
> > imported. (See the EXPORT example, Export a Catalog: Example 1.) The
> > original copy of USERCAT4 is replaced with

CSVDYLPA ADD question.

I'm looking at example #1 here:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.ieaa100/iea3a1_Description18.htm#dylpaxm

What I'm thinking of is in regards to a subsystem (SSI) initialization
which occurs after IPL (i.e. not via the IEFSSNnn member of PARMLIB). The
above seems like a decent way to add the required code from a "steplib"
into the running LPA so that it is usable, even if the initialization
address space terminates for some reason. The basic logic that I'm looking
at is to do something like (really stripped down):

1) Determine if the subsystem is already running & terminate if so.
2) Determine if the required module(s) are already in LPA & if not load
them as above.
3) Determine if the subsystem is defined & if not then use IEFSS* macros to
define it.
4) Set up the subsystem (IEFSS* macros) and continue.

Now, my question is "Will the module added with the CSVDYLPA continue to be
valid even if the initialization address space terminates?". The
documentation doesn't indicate that it will "go away", so I am hoping that
it continues to be usable even if the address space terminates. But I am
somewhat concerned due to the fact that in a Share presentation on the SSI
it had a strong emphasis that "LOADTOGLOBAL" should only be used on the
IEFSSVT macro if one can be certain that the address space will _never_
terminate.

I'm guessing that LOADTOGLOBAL literally means "LOAD GLOBAL=YES,EOM=YES" is
specified within the IEFSSVT processing. Which, of course, makes me wonder
why it doesn't do a CSVDYLPA to load the module into CSA instead.

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Re: How to use master catalog as user catalog in another system

2017-11-29 Thread retired mainframer

If you copied the product datasets from a SYSA volume to a SYSB volume and then 
attempt to use the SYSA catalog to access them from SYSB, you will end up 
accessing the datasets on the SYSA volume.  Since you went through the effort 
to copy them, I assume this is not desirable.

Without specifying a vol-ser on all your DD statements, the only way to access 
the datasets on the SYSB volume is to have catalog entries that point to the 
SYSB volume.  You can use ISPF 3.4 to list the datasets on the SYSB volume and 
issue the appropriate ISPF or IDCAMS commands to create those catalog entries 
in the SYSB catalog.

As others have pointed out, it is a good idea to restrict the master catalog to 
system datasets and place product and user datasets in one or more user 
catalogs.  However, unless you want SYSB to access the datasets on the SYSA 
volume, this would have no effect on your current effort.  It does not matter 
if the catalog entry for a dataset is in the master or a user catalog. If the 
entry points to a SYSA volume, any allocation that uses that catalog entry will 
find the dataset on the SYSA volume.

There are way for a catalog entry to point to different volumes based on which 
system is performing the allocation (for example, using a system symbol for the 
volume) but that is a whole new discussion.

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On Behalf Of johnnydeep san
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 6:27 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: How to use master catalog as user catalog in another system
> 
> Thanks,  Tom and Lizette  for your quick response .
> 
> Lizette, I'm trying this in sanbox where i will  going to run my product
> which was installed already in SYSA , i would like to use all the product
> dataset's  in SYSB for testing .I alredy
> transferred VOLUME(contain all product dataset)  to sysB  . though i  have
> volume i'm not able to fetch the dataset  since they are not cataloged. So
> i  thought of going alternate master catalog .
> 
> 
> + JD +
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Lizette Koehler
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > What problem are you trying to solve?
> >
> > Creating an alt master cat and importing it to a new system may only fix
> > some of your issues.
> >
> > Consider the master catalog like the ROOT in Unix.  It controls where
> > things can be found in z/OS.  It is the key to the IPL Process.  If
> > anything is not correct in the MCAT then an IPL may not work.
> >
> >
> > There is a manual on working with catalogs.  And if this is not a sandbox
> > - that is - if this system cannot take outages if there are issues you
> > should take care there could be challenges by doing this.
> >
> > It helps if you have a system programmer sandbox when working with
> > catalogs.  This is an environment where if things get broken, there is not
> > impact to other work going on in the shop.
> >
> >
> > If there are issues with your catalog, you may need to IPL or other
> > activities to fix it.  For example - catalog recovery processes
> >
> > If you are not the system programmer, you should contact the one at your
> > shop.  They can help you with your activities and reduce potential
> > problems.  This list does not know your shop or your configuration.  It can
> > only provide guidance based on information provided.  You system
> programmer
> > can be better at helping you with these types of questions.
> >
> > When you import the master cat from another system, you cannot not see
> all
> > of the datasets.  Anything currently cataloged on the new system in the
> > MasterCat may not be seen.
> >
> > If you want datasets that are in the MCAT on SYSA on SYSB and you want
> are
> > SYS1.** datasets, then you may not see them on SYSB.
> >
> > A catalog is a tree structure.  MCAT entries over ride UCAT (user catalog)
> > entries.
> >
> > IMPORT CONNECT does -
> >
> > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.
> > 0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.idai200/toc.htm
> >
> > The IMPORT command moves or restores a cluster or alternate index, or
> > restores a catalog. Import a Catalog: Example 2
> >
> > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.
> > 0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.idai200/imicf.htm
> >
> > In this example, a catalog, USERCAT4, that was previously exported, is
> > imported. (See the EXPORT example, Export a Catalog: Example 1.) The
> > original copy of USERCAT4 is replaced with the imported copy, from the
> > portable file copy in CATBACK. Access method services finds and deletes
> the
> > duplicate name, USERCAT4. Any aliases in the master catalog for USERCAT4
> > are preserved. (A duplicate name exists because the catalog was exported
> > with the TEMPORARY attribute.) Access method services then redefines
> > USERCAT4, using the catalog information from the portable file, CATBACK.
> > USERCAT4 is locked to prevent access to anyone except authorized
>

IEFSSIVT LOADTOGLOBAL question (Share SSI presentation 2015)