Re: New look and linking for V2.3 product documentation PDFs

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 17:01:27 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
>
>You really ought to organize the manuals into directories, according to the
>layout on the index.html.  And name the files according to the index.html.
>Why must you stop short of making this really usable?
>
>Cross-manual links have never worked for me, because renaming and
>organizing were much more important. 
>
So you broke it, and now you're reporting that it doesn't work?

>If it is true that links can't even
>go to a specific location in another document, then I'd say they're
>obviously a waste of time & effort.
> 
No, they get you to the vicinity and you can go from the ToC.

I wrote a script that filters the index.html into comands that create
a family of symbolic links "organiz[ing] the manuals into directories,
according to the layout on the index.html."  The original files are not
renamed so the cross-manual links continue to work.

Mostly.  It's an ad-hoc parser entirely dependent on the precise
format of index.html.  It probably missed several files.

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Fetching a list of PTFS Belonging to a FMID

[Jake Anderson]

Hi

Apart from LIST FORFMID(FMIDNAME) Are there any utility (CBTTAPE) or rexx
which can help me to get a list of PTF ?

Regards
Jake

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Re: New look and linking for V2.3 product documentation PDFs

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 21:00:57 -0600, Susan Shumway wrote:
>
>I want to make you aware that every PDF in the z/OS V2.3 library was just 
>refreshed to update the visual style and link coding. Because of the link 
>coding changes, clicking on a link in an old-style PDF to a new style PDF will 
>not work, and vice versa. So, to ensure that all cross-book links continue to 
>work for you, ensure that you download the entire fresh set of library PDFs 
>from 
>https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zOSV2R3Library as 
>soon as you get the chance.
> 
Most of the links in:
asmr1023.pdfSC26-4940-08HLASM Language Reference
Bibliography

... don't work for me, or they try to downoad from IBM's server
when the docs should be available from the extracted .zip.

Thanks,
gil

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Re: CA- View SAR Issue while Archiving

[Brian Westerman]

It appears that either you don't have the support in your tape system to 
support CA-View controlling his own tapes, OR, you have scratched those tapes 
(which is normally caused by the lack of CA-View controlling it's own tapes.

Also it could just be that you have delayed too long in running SARPAC (which 
should be run at least weekly).

Usually when you lose a tape though, it's because your tape management system 
released it to scratch before CA-View was done with it.  You can only correct 
that once it happens via SARPAC.

Brian

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Re: How do I get a lower-case value into a "long" symbol?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 08:30:22 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

>Assembler, allegedly the model for JCL, gets both of those right.
>
>(From memory)
>
> SETC 'Don''t'
>XDC   C''
> 
>Gives you a constant of "Don't" (and no syntax error).
>
I don't believe that works; I think you need the DOUBLE BiF:
 START
` SETC 'Don''t'
SETC DOUBLE('')
XDC   C''
 END

JCL sorely lacks DOUBLE.

(It would be nice to be able to do it without the additional SETC.)

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Re: New look and linking for V2.3 product documentation PDFs

[Andrew Rowley]

On 2/03/2019 5:59 am, Gord Tomlin wrote:

On 2019-02-28 17:53, Andrew Rowley wrote:

> Even one tiny blue underline on a page might make it 5 times the 
cost > to print that page.


The ability to print in grayscale is pretty universal these days.


Yes, but it's a checkbox that is easy to miss or forget, and missing it 
can cost $100+.


Andrew Rowley

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Re: New look and linking for V2.3 product documentation PDFs

[Andrew Rowley]

On 2/03/2019 4:55 am, Seymour J Metz wrote:

I can see making copies for laptops off of the Internet, but dead tree? I wish 
I didn't believe you.

You can tell the people who learned from printed manuals from those who 
use only softcopy ones - the people who learned from softcopy ask "How 
do I do..." and the people who learned from hardcopy answer them. 
(Mostly joking!)


I suspect most of us on this list are old enough to have started in 
mainframe with hardcopy manuals. We may not appreciate how difficult it 
is to learn z/OS without them.


When learning a complex new concept, a hardcopy manual where you can 
stick a finger in a page, flip backwards, view multiple pages at once, 
refer to another chapter etc. is much easier than softcopy. Is it 
surprising that a 1000 page manual contains information that softcopy 
users never see?


There's a couple of manuals I print in full, more often I will print a 
chapter or 2. Even then the majority of time I use softcopy, but 
occasionally when it's a complex topic and my brain starts to strain I 
pull out the hardcopy. I almost always learn something new as I flip 
through to the correct chapter.


I could postulate that the technologies that have met with most 
resistance on the mainframe (e.g. z/OS Unix, Java) are those that came 
along after the switch to softcopy manuals, so people never had the 
opportunity to read and learn from hardcopy.



Andrew Rowley

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Re: New look and linking for V2.3 product documentation PDFs

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 16:55:33 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:

>I think the new layout, formatting, style, etc. look great.  None of the
>grumblings about margin width and use of color are a problem for me, and
>I'd bet most.
>
Maybe handheld users?  (An unpleasant way to read a manual.)

>I couldn't care less about cross-document links.  As someone else pointed out
> 
They did?  I think they're very useful.  I wish only that they were more 
precise.

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Re: New look and linking for V2.3 product documentation PDFs

[Steve Smith]

g... gmail

You really ought to organize the manuals into directories, according to the
layout on the index.html.  And name the files according to the index.html.
Why must you stop short of making this really usable?

Cross-manual links have never worked for me, because renaming and
organizing were much more important.  If it is true that links can't even
go to a specific location in another document, then I'd say they're
obviously a waste of time & effort.

sas


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 4:55 PM Steve Smith  wrote:

> I think the new layout, formatting, style, etc. look great.  None of the
> grumblings about margin width and use of color are a problem for me, and
> I'd bet most.
>
> I couldn't care less about cross-document links.  As someone else pointed
> out
>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 14:50:27 -0500, Susan Shumway wrote:
>>
>> >Thank you all for the feedback and suggestions! I've collected it all
>> >and will work with the team to sort out items that aren't already on our
>> >radar and add them to our list of potential improvements. I can tell
>> >right now that some items are within our control and some unfortunately
>> >aren't, but we'll do our best to implement as many as possible.
>>
>

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Re: New look and linking for V2.3 product documentation PDFs

[Steve Smith]

I think the new layout, formatting, style, etc. look great.  None of the
grumblings about margin width and use of color are a problem for me, and
I'd bet most.

I couldn't care less about cross-document links.  As someone else pointed
out

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 14:50:27 -0500, Susan Shumway wrote:
>
> >Thank you all for the feedback and suggestions! I've collected it all
> >and will work with the team to sort out items that aren't already on our
> >radar and add them to our list of potential improvements. I can tell
> >right now that some items are within our control and some unfortunately
> >aren't, but we'll do our best to implement as many as possible.
>

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Re: New look and linking for V2.3 product documentation PDFs

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 14:50:27 -0500, Susan Shumway wrote:

>Thank you all for the feedback and suggestions! I've collected it all
>and will work with the team to sort out items that aren't already on our
>radar and add them to our list of potential improvements. I can tell
>right now that some items are within our control and some unfortunately
>aren't, but we'll do our best to implement as many as possible.
>
Thanks.  I note in a directory of the 2017 edition:
605 $ unzip -v /Users/paulgilm/Sites/ibmdoc/17Q2A/c27843007.zip | head -11
Archive:  /Users/paulgilm/Sites/ibmdoc/17Q2A/c27843007.zip
 Length   MethodSize  Ratio   Date   Time   CRC-32Name
  --  --- -         --
  171427  Defl:N   166357   3%  07-14-17 17:33  d7493e45  ZOSV02R03/How to 
Search Using Adobe Indexed PDFs.pdf
   0  Stored0   0%  07-14-17 19:22    ZOSV02R03/pdf/
  621232  Defl:N   316044  49%  07-14-17 17:34  ae8b9a6f  
ZOSV02R03/pdf/ab0in022.pdf
 4708978  Defl:N  3239454  31%  07-14-17 17:36  0bdb2f89  
ZOSV02R03/pdf/adru000_v2r3.pdf
...
And in the current (apparently Work in Progress):
606 $ unzip -v  *.zip | head -11
Archive:  zOSV2R3Library.zip
 Length   MethodSize  Ratio   Date   Time   CRC-32Name
  --  --- -         --
  300963  Defl:N   245338  19%  03-01-19 01:47  13682bda  eox01m05.pdf
 3269712  Defl:N  2395601  27%  03-01-19 01:47  9478b6c0  asmp1023.pdf
 2515009  Defl:N  1691347  33%  03-01-19 01:47  c5714772  dpr1cg01.pdf
 3479762  Defl:N  2940576  16%  03-01-19 01:47  53cce700  eph3z100.pdf
...
The .pdf files are a couple directory levels shallower.  I'll recommend zipping 
from
at least one directory level farther rootward.  Several hundred naked PDF files 
can
be a rude surprise to a user who unwittingly unzips into a non-empty directory.

Cosmetic: In index.html, I see "PDF Files for Download".  Not 
very
meaningful unlsess I intend to further serve them from my system to another.

Hmmm... The timestamps in the archive are several hours in the future from when
I dowloaded it.  Is the date on your system set correctly?

The headers I captured in 2017 say:
614 $ cat /Users/paulgilm/Sites/ibmdoc/17Q2A/c27843007.zip.headers 
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 02:29:33 GMT
Last-Modified: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:37:25 GMT
ETag: "6ca402-42ee3cbb-55484565e7340"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 1122909371
Connection: close
Content-Type: application/zip

... a meaningful "Content-Length: 1122909371".

Today:
538 $ curl -I  
https://www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/xDownloadFilesToZip.xsp?releaseID=zOSV2R3=zOSV2R3Library.zip
[1] 5930
539 $ HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: Lotus-Domino
Cache-Control: no-cache
Expires: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 23:59:59 GMT
Content-Type: application/zip
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=AllFiles.zip
Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=0
Content-Length: 0
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 20:41:41 GMT
Connection: keep-alive
Set-Cookie: SessionID=8FA23C3480C8DB04F645DD6A548E73C740D9C8D7; path=/; HttpOnly

... "Content-Length: 0"?  Server: Lotus-Domino appears to be broken.

Thanks again,
gil

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Re: New look and linking for V2.3 product documentation PDFs

[Tom Brennan]

Thanks!  I'll use that Chrome setting for now on.  It means an extra 
click once a pdf is downloaded, but I'm used to that for word/excel etc. 
 And then I get the benefit of the "real" pdf search and other features.


But for the local-disk IBM pdf's: the pretend download and multiple 
copies (like you say), and the fact that the book-to-book links won't 
work, make me think I'll just stay with the Shortcut method for now.


On 3/1/2019 12:54 PM, Wendell Lovewell wrote:

Hi Tom.

You can change the way Chrome handles PDFs via 
chrome://settings/content/pdfDocuments?search=pdf

index.html will get you to the file you want, but since you're going through a 
web browser, clicking the link, at least in Chrome, will cause the file to be 
copied to your download folder before it's opened--even if it's already there.  
If you open the same manual 3 times, you end up with 3 copies of it in your 
folder.

Wendell

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Re: $HASP250 JOB Purged

[Rugen, Len]

That's what I meant :-)  It's been 10 years since I ran JES2, just keeping 
sharp here on IBM-MAIN :-)

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Re: New look and linking for V2.3 product documentation PDFs

[Wendell Lovewell]

Hi Tom.  

You can change the way Chrome handles PDFs via 
chrome://settings/content/pdfDocuments?search=pdf

index.html will get you to the file you want, but since you're going through a 
web browser, clicking the link, at least in Chrome, will cause the file to be 
copied to your download folder before it's opened--even if it's already there.  
If you open the same manual 3 times, you end up with 3 copies of it in your 
folder.

Wendell

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Multi-Site Parallel Sysplex

[Mark Regan]

Cross posting to both IBM-MAIN and IBMTCP-L
 
I'm helping a coworker (she supports IBM Comm Server) whose is seeking
information about companies or information that could be shared to assist with
solution building to provide a Multi-Site Parallel Sysplex implementation in our
infrastructure, utilizing GDPS-PPRC, two sites.  Would anyone have reference too
or know how we would proceed to find a company that has already done this type
of implementation, that we could speak with? We are looking for information in
regards to the network solution for IP spanning across two sites mostly.
 
We are basically trying to find out how they implemented MSPS across two sites
and if they had issues or concerns.  IBM has not provided a company to speak
with, so we are fishing on our own.  
 
Below is some content to what our network architect is seeking information
about, as he stated it would be good to have a source to speak with outside of
IBM.
 
Considerations for Multisite Sysplex Data Sharing   -

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247263.html?Open
Exploiting Parallel Sysplex: A Customer Perspective -

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247108.html?Open

Communications Server also has a Share presentation that has a page on stateful
firewalls that may be of interest as well -

https://events.share.org/Summer2017/Public/SessionDetails.aspx?FromPage=Sessions
.aspx=3102=28

For a customer reference, we are trying to get in contact with an IBM GDPS SME.
I believe finding a customer who recently implemented GDPS PPRC or Metro Mirror
would be appropriate. However, we are not sure if we will be able to locate a
customer before the end of the week. I will let you know when I do.
 
Regards,
 
Mark T. Regan, K8MTR
CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
 

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Re: New look and linking for V2.3 product documentation PDFs

[Susan Shumway]

Thank you all for the feedback and suggestions! I've collected it all 
and will work with the team to sort out items that aren't already on our 
radar and add them to our list of potential improvements. I can tell 
right now that some items are within our control and some unfortunately 
aren't, but we'll do our best to implement as many as possible.


For a little background on the new look of the PDFs, we were instructed 
to move to new build tooling, and the new PDF visual style just came 
along with it. Our team worked hard over the past months to prepare our 
z/OS content source for the drastic under-the-covers changes, but 
there's still work to do on the source and, if deemed necessary and 
possible via requirements or such, on the tooling. Rest assured that 
we'll continue working to make the PDFs as usable as possible for you all!


In response to the comments about PDF file names, you REALLY don't want 
to rename the PDFs. Most importantly, doing so breaks all cross-book 
links. Instead, as suggested by others here, use the index.html file. To 
do so, go to the PDF download page ( 
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zOSV2R3Library 
), select "Download all z/OS V2R3 Library publications to ZIP file," 
extract the whole thing into the suggested directory structure, open the 
included index.html file, and click the links to open the downloaded 
local versions of the PDFs. Alternatively, on the PDF download page, you 
can just click "Show all PDF files" and then search for a cryptic 
(though sans any spaces or weird characters!) file name or title or 
order number to quickly map it to the other information about a PDF. 
I've even been known to do this myself in a pinch.


Also, Gil asked about "zOS_V2R3_Documentation.pdx". That's very much 
still around - it's the search file for the Acrobat Indexed PDF 
collection. We'll have a fresh V2R3 collection that contains all these 
new DCS PDFs posted within the next few days. If you bookmark and always 
start at the z/OS Internet Library ( 
http://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosInternetLibrary 
), you'll always see all the different options for product 
documentation, other content, related helpful tools, etc.


We really appreciate this feedback, so please keep it coming. (The best 
way to do so is through the "Feedback" link on KC: 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3/en/homepage.html 
. It's then formally tracked and you get updates on progress.) As 
always, feel free to drop me a direct note if you have a question and 
I'll try to help.


-Sue Shumway

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IBM Poughkeepsie
chale...@us.ibm.com


On 2/28/2019 9:54 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 21:00:57 -0600, Susan Shumway wrote:


I want to make you aware that every PDF in the z/OS V2.3 library was just 
refreshed to update the visual style and link coding. Because of the link 
coding changes, clicking on a link in an old-style PDF to a new style PDF will 
not work, and vice versa. So, to ensure that all cross-book links continue to 
work for you, ensure that you download the entire fresh set of library PDFs 
from https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zOSV2R3Library 
as soon as you get the chance.


Now I'm trying it.  Seems pretty good.

It would be nice if the web metadata included file size so I could eagerly
watch the progress bar during download.

Is the "zOS_V2R3_Documentation.pdx" index gone?  I sometimes found it useful.

It would sure be nice if the cross-document references pointed to a chapter, not
just to the title page of the referenced document.  I suspect that's not easy 
to do.
  


On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 13:52:20 +, Allan Staller wrote:


Ref: 
https://www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zOSV2R3Library

I observed one thing.hThe introductory "new style" screens are portrait 
oriented and take up a lot  of vertical real estate.
The new screens generate a lot of unnecessary scrolling.

I have a laptop and a desktop, both with landscape oriented monitors.
The only portrait oriented device I have is a cell phone.


For that it would be nice if the doc were semantic-oriented html, adapting
to screen geometry, not presentation-oriented.  Not likely to happen.


On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 10:06:52 -0600, Wendell Lovewell wrote:


Thanks for the update Sue.  I'm not sure how we would find out this information 
without your posting it here.

1) Could you please use the full title names (minus "/" and ":" characters) for 
the file names?  The 8.3 file names (actually, they aren't all 8-character anymore) are not very 
usable.


Use the index.html file.


I generally use Windows File Explorer to find a manual I've downloaded.  But to be able to find something by 
the file system name, I have to open each to determine which manual it is, copy the title (and maybe the 
publication number), close the pdf and then rename 

Re: z/OS V2R5 Will be the Last Release to Include JES3

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

I mentioned previously a bank merger that involved JES3 and JES2. We also 
experimented with running both as primary and secondary. I remember one problem 
that at the time IBM would not take an APAR for: one them would terminate 
without freeing all acquired virtual storage on the grounds that the next step 
should be IPL. IBM thought that running both JESes like that was nutso and too 
outré to bother fixing. Long time ago, circa 1990.   

.
.
J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler 
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
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Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 4:16 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: z/OS V2R5 Will be the Last Release to Include JES3

On 2/28/2019 3:06 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> I'm not so sure... Is it not possible to run JES2 and JES3 at the same 
> time on a z/OS image? Certainly you can run multiple JES2s. Yes, there 
> are a few things that a secondary JES can't do, but I would think that 
> would be the way to convert. Of course at some point you have to 
> switch which is the primary JES, but is that really such a risk.
> Anyway, I'm not trying to minimize the effort or risk of a conversion; 
> just not sure that it has to be Big Bang.

We run with JES2 as secondary under JES3. It's no panacea. Your approach will 
work for a little while as you migrate your lowest-hanging fruit. 
But, at some point you'll really need to bite the bullet and put up a new LPAR 
that runs JES2 only. Once that's up, you can migrate your applications across, 
one by one, from easiest to most-difficult.


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Re: New look and linking for V2.3 product documentation PDFs

[Gord Tomlin]

On 2019-02-28 17:53, Andrew Rowley wrote:

My main comment is: People still print manuals and work from printed copies.


Not many, I hope. It's 2019.

> Even one tiny blue underline on a page might make it 5 times the cost 
> to print that page.


The ability to print in grayscale is pretty universal these days.

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Re: $HASP250 JOB Purged

[McCabe, Ron]

The SYSOUT class I was using must have had an OUTDISP=(PURGE,PURGE) because I 
changed the class to one that I know does not get purged and now my job output 
is not getting purged.

Thanks,
Ron McCabe
Mutual of Enumclaw


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 10:09 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: $HASP250 JOB Purged

Check your JESPARMS for the MSGCLASS and SYSOUT class(es).
The OUTDEF or the related OUTCLASS(x) should contain an OUTDISP=(x,x) parameter.

You want WRITE or HOLD in the OUTDISP= instead of PURGE Check the fine manuals 
for details.

HTH,


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
McCabe, Ron
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 10:55 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: $HASP250 JOB Purged

Hello List,

Is there a way to override the system so I do not lose output from a job?  When 
I run a job after it ends it immediately comes up with "$HASP250 JOB Purged - 
(Job Key was D5C1B47F) so I do not get any output in SDSF which I need to send 
to Software AG support.

Thanks,
Ron McCabe
Mutual of Enumclaw


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Re: $HASP250 JOB Purged

[McCabe, Ron]

All the $TA,ALL command is showing me are 2 jobs that run on a schedule so I 
would say I do not have any autocmds moving the output.

$TA,ALL
$HASP604 ID 131  T= 11.30 I=0 L=INTERNAL $VS,'S R,J=SCRCOUNT'
$HASP604 ID 127  T= 24.00 I=0 L=INTERNAL $VS,'S R,J=PSCHED'

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Hi,

 Any chance you've got autocmds moving the output to a purge class?   
$ta,all will tell you.

Thanks!
BobL

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No, nothing like that.

Thanks,
Ron McCabe
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Is it being picked up by a product like SAR ?

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No it is not.

Thanks,
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Is the msgclass / sysout class one setup for purge?

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Subject: $HASP250 JOB Purged

Hello List,

Is there a way to override the system so I do not lose output from a job?  When 
I run a job after it ends it immediately comes up with "$HASP250 JOB Purged - 
(Job Key was D5C1B47F) so I do not get any output in SDSF which I need to send 
to Software AG support.

Thanks,
Ron McCabe
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Re: $HASP250 JOB Purged

[Lester, Bob]

Hi,

 Any chance you've got autocmds moving the output to a purge class?   
$ta,all will tell you.

Thanks!
BobL

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No, nothing like that.

Thanks,
Ron McCabe
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Is it being picked up by a product like SAR ?

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No it is not.

Thanks,
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Is the msgclass / sysout class one setup for purge?

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McCabe, Ron
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 10:55 AM
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Subject: $HASP250 JOB Purged

Hello List,

Is there a way to override the system so I do not lose output from a job?  When 
I run a job after it ends it immediately comes up with "$HASP250 JOB Purged - 
(Job Key was D5C1B47F) so I do not get any output in SDSF which I need to send 
to Software AG support.

Thanks,
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Re: $HASP250 JOB Purged

[McCabe, Ron]

No, nothing like that.

Thanks,
Ron McCabe
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Is it being picked up by a product like SAR ?

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No it is not.

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Is the msgclass / sysout class one setup for purge?

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Subject: $HASP250 JOB Purged

Hello List,

Is there a way to override the system so I do not lose output from a job?  When 
I run a job after it ends it immediately comes up with "$HASP250 JOB Purged - 
(Job Key was D5C1B47F) so I do not get any output in SDSF which I need to send 
to Software AG support.

Thanks,
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Re: $HASP250 JOB Purged

[Allan Staller]

Check your JESPARMS for the MSGCLASS and SYSOUT class(es).
The OUTDEF or the related OUTCLASS(x) should contain an OUTDISP=(x,x) parameter.

You want WRITE or HOLD in the OUTDISP= instead of PURGE
Check the fine manuals for details.

HTH,


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Hello List,

Is there a way to override the system so I do not lose output from a job?  When 
I run a job after it ends it immediately comes up with "$HASP250 JOB Purged - 
(Job Key was D5C1B47F) so I do not get any output in SDSF which I need to send 
to Software AG support.

Thanks,
Ron McCabe
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Re: z/OS V2R5 Will be the Last Release to Include JES3

[Seymour J Metz]

Why I hate ASCII:

 1. It's 7 bits

 2. It had code points with dual glyphs early on

 3. When you look at 8-bit supersets of ASCII, there are more code pages than 
there are for EBCDIC

Unicode?

IETF has settled on UTF-8 as the normative transform. That is, IMHO, a better 
choice than the one m$ uses 9UTF-16).

An interactive editor should be easy to learn. ISPF is; vi isn't.

"emacs is a wonderful operating system. All that it needs is a decent editor."

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 4:02 PM
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 17:41:14 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>I'm not the one who says "I hate EBCDIC"; I certainly like EBCDIC better than 
>ASCII.
>
Why?  Is it largely 8-bit vs. 7-bit?  Would it be fairer to compare (any of) 
the EBCDIC
code pages to (any of) ISO-8859-x?  In either case there's code point 
instability.

Unicode?  But which representation of Unicode?  UTF-8 seems to be the modal 
choice.

>As for Perl, my primary use of it is on OS/2, nd it did things that would have 
>been awkward with REXX. OTOH, I wish that the regex syntax were moe like 
>SNOBOL.
>
Depends.  An interactive editor should be keystroke-economical (ISPF isn't.)
Its scripted companion should be referentially transparent (vi isn't.)

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Re: New look and linking for V2.3 product documentation PDFs

[Seymour J Metz]

I can see making copies for laptops off of the Internet, but dead tree? I wish 
I didn't believe you.


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On 28/02/2019 2:00 pm, Susan Shumway wrote:
> I want to make you aware that every PDF in the z/OS V2.3 library was just 
> refreshed to update the visual style and link coding.

I'm not thrilled by the new style, but I will probably get used to it.
What was the objective for the change?

My main comment is: People still print manuals and work from printed
copies. It looks like the margins in the new layout are a bit small for
printing and binding. Also, given the typical size of these manuals,
black and white was appreciated. Even one tiny blue underline on a page
might make it 5 times the cost to print that page.

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Re: How do I get a lower-case value into a "long" symbol?

[Seymour J Metz]

I remember when IBM enhanced CLIST in MVS (OS/VS2 R3.6?), greatly increasing 
the number of consecutive apostrophe required.


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Ah, of course, the old triple-quote.

Seriously, thanks. My real stuff was a little more complicated than the
below and I had to rearrange it to get it to work, but yes, the triple quote
solved it.

As I recall now I have had this issue before, and solved it with (or
something like)

// SET Q=
...
// SET LONGSYM=

Thanks again. @Gil hates EBCDIC. I have to admit I am not overly fond of
JCL.

Charles


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I think that you have to triple-quote the beginning of the SYM1 value and
the end of the SYM2 value, like this:

// SET SYM1='''blah,blah,blah'

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Re: How do I get a lower-case value into a "long" symbol?

[retired mainframer]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Charles Mills
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 8:30 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: How do I get a lower-case value into a "long" symbol?
> 
> Assembler, allegedly the model for JCL, gets both of those right.
> 
> (From memory)
> 
>  SETC 'Don''t'
> XDC   C''
> 
> Gives you a constant of "Don't" (and no syntax error).
> 
> C on the other hand does not substitute for symbols -- C calls them macros -- 
> inside a
> character constant.
> 
> #define FOO Don't
> char x[] = "FOO"; gives you a constant of "FOO". You have to jump through 
> some real
> hoops to get a symbol into a character literal.

It doesn't seem like much of a hoop.

#define FOO "Don't"
char x[] = FOO; creates an array of 6 char containing 'D', 'o', 'n', , 't', 
and '\0'.  What doesn't work for you?

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Re: $HASP250 JOB Purged

[Steely.Mark]

Is it being picked up by a product like SAR ?

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No it is not.

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Is the msgclass / sysout class one setup for purge?

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Hello List,

Is there a way to override the system so I do not lose output from a job?  When 
I run a job after it ends it immediately comes up with "$HASP250 JOB Purged - 
(Job Key was D5C1B47F) so I do not get any output in SDSF which I need to send 
to Software AG support.

Thanks,
Ron McCabe
Mutual of Enumclaw


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Re: $HASP250 JOB Purged

[McCabe, Ron]

No it is not.

Thanks,
Ron McCabe
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Is the msgclass / sysout class one setup for purge?

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Hello List,

Is there a way to override the system so I do not lose output from a job?  When 
I run a job after it ends it immediately comes up with "$HASP250 JOB Purged - 
(Job Key was D5C1B47F) so I do not get any output in SDSF which I need to send 
to Software AG support.

Thanks,
Ron McCabe
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Re: z/OS V2R5 Will be the Last Release to Include JES3

[Ed Jaffe]

On 2/28/2019 11:34 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote:

September 30, 2021: General Availability
September 30, 2026: End of Service (Extended Service available for an
additional charge)
September 30, 2028: End of Extended Service


When this was discussed at SHARE St. Louis after Mike Perera's 
unfortunate on-stage gaff, Gary Puchkoff indicated a formal "sunset" 
announcement for JES3 would begin a TEN YEAR countdown, which included 
THREE years of extended support -- based on current IBM practice.


Does this mean Gary was mistaken? Or...???

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Re: $HASP250 JOB Purged

[Rugen, Len]

Is the msgclass / sysout class one setup for purge?  

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Subject: $HASP250 JOB Purged

Hello List,

Is there a way to override the system so I do not lose output from a job?  When 
I run a job after it ends it immediately comes up with "$HASP250 JOB Purged - 
(Job Key was D5C1B47F) so I do not get any output in SDSF which I need to send 
to Software AG support.

Thanks,
Ron McCabe
Mutual of Enumclaw


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Re: z/OS V2R5 Will be the Last Release to Include JES3

[Tony Harminc]

I was talking of JES2 and JES3 on the same z/OS image; not merely
within the same Sysplex.

Tony H.

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:40, Allan Staller  wrote:
>
> JES2 and JES3 can coexist. I am sure there are some arcane rules (as 
> indicated below).
>
> -Original Message-
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> Tom Marchant
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 5:35 PM
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>
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 18:06:35 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> >Is it not possible to run JES2 and JES3 at the same time on a z/OS
> >image? Certainly you can run multiple JES2s. Yes, there are a few
> >things that a secondary JES can't do, but I would think that would be
> >the way to convert. Of course at some point you have to switch which is
> >the primary JES, but is that really such a risk.
>
> AFAIK, JES3 can only be the primary JES.
>
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$HASP250 JOB Purged

[McCabe, Ron]

Hello List,

Is there a way to override the system so I do not lose output from a job?  When 
I run a job after it ends it immediately comes up with "$HASP250 JOB Purged - 
(Job Key was D5C1B47F) so I do not get any output in SDSF which I need to send 
to Software AG support.

Thanks,
Ron McCabe
Mutual of Enumclaw


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Re: How do I get a lower-case value into a "long" symbol?

[Charles Mills]

Assembler, allegedly the model for JCL, gets both of those right.

(From memory)

 SETC 'Don''t'
XDC   C''

Gives you a constant of "Don't" (and no syntax error).

C on the other hand does not substitute for symbols -- C calls them macros -- 
inside a character constant.

#define FOO Don't
char x[] = "FOO"; gives you a constant of "FOO". You have to jump through some 
real hoops to get a symbol into a character literal.

Charles


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On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 16:25:23 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>As I recall now I have had this issue before, and solved it with (or
>something like)
>
>// SET Q=
>...
>// SET LONGSYM=
> 
Yup.  It is a misdesigh that symbols are not substituted between apostrophes
in the operand of SET as they are in PARM, DSN, PATH, and a couple others.
Does any IBM representative dare to defend this bad choice, other than, 
"Because we could!"

In fact, why not everywhere!  Be consistent.

It's also wrong that apostrophes introduced by symbol substitution are not
treated as ordinary text, not metacharacters.  Rexx got that one right, but
JCL designers seem to be too proud to learn from Rexx.

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Interesting? CEA TSO/E Services

[John McKown]

I find it very interesting that these services are AMODE(64) only and
designed strictly around the C language. And the mention of LIBPATH implies
UNIX. I guess because  part of the interface to the TSO address space which
is spawned is via UNIX message queues.

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.ieac100/requirements.htm

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TSO TEST clarifications

[Joseph Reichman]

I am looking for some clarifications on the following documentation from the
TSO TEST AT subcommand

 

. any instructions that save the current PSW address except BAL, BALR, BAS,
BASR, BSM, or BASSM.

A single pass breakpoint is removed automatically during execution of the GO
subcommand. After

resuming execution at the breakpoint, the breakpoint is no longer in effect
until you establish it again by

using the AT subcommand. If you want to establish the breakpoint, you must
use the AT subcommand

after you issue the GO subcommand, not before.

 

 

"Any instruction that updates the current PSW are executed only once" is
there an exact list of these instructions anywhere

 

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Re: z/OS V2R5 Will be the Last Release to Include JES3

[Allan Staller]

JES2 and JES3 can coexist. I am sure there are some arcane rules (as indicated 
below).

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Marchant
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 18:06:35 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:

>Is it not possible to run JES2 and JES3 at the same time on a z/OS
>image? Certainly you can run multiple JES2s. Yes, there are a few
>things that a secondary JES can't do, but I would think that would be
>the way to convert. Of course at some point you have to switch which is
>the primary JES, but is that really such a risk.

AFAIK, JES3 can only be the primary JES.

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Re: CPU time and zIIP

[Carmen Vitullo]

Carmen Vitullo 

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Subject: Re: CPU time and zIIP 

I'm obviously still not understanding what you think is amiss. 

adding up the Gcpu time and Ziip time, to show all CP TIME but seeing that I 
misread, misunderstood the doc and your previous responses and from the 
statement belowas Gilda Radner would saynevermind :( 
 
for me I'd like to see SDSF's CPUtime to include all time, GCPU+IIP 
 

We have already said that it does. 
Peter Relson 
z/OS Core Technology Design 


is that true for CPU percent also? 


thanks for provided my the clue by four I needed to get this into my thick 
skull 
Carmen 


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Re: CPU time and zIIP

[Peter Relson]

I'm obviously still not understanding what you think is amiss.


for me I'd like to see SDSF's CPUtime to include all time, GCPU+IIP 


We have already said that it does. 

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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