Re: CBTTAPE

[Bob Bridges]

I like SDSF alright, but I'm really an IOF big-- er, enthusiast.  But IOF and 
SYSVIEW both have REXX interfaces, as does SDSF.  You should be able to get 
what you want if you use either of those.

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Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 15:04

But what of those of us who don't have SDSF?  Yes, we exist.  :-)

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Jousma, David
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:27 PM

I keep saying thisuse the ISFSLASH facility via REXX.   Works great, uses 
USERS assigned security for resolving authority, and is a published interface 
by IBM.  I'll be glad to post the rexx and JCL if needed.My only ask has 
been that IBM actually supply the function via IBM provided load module, 
instead of REXX so that it can be easily utilized but not altered.   One user 
on this list kindly compiled the REXX and sent it back to me.

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Re: CBTTAPE

[Seymour J Metz]

I agree, and so does IBM. That's why they included it in TSO/E a log time ago.


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Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 5:50 PM
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Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

Well , yes there is that issue   It is still my own personal opinion, that 
IBM ought to be supplying a command-issuer that uses standard SAF calls instead 
of everyone rolling their own.
_
Dave Jousma
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering

Fifth Third Bank  |  1830 East Paris Ave, SE  |  MD RSCB2H  |  Grand Rapids, MI 
49546
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But what of those of us who don't have SDSF?  Yes, we exist.  :-)

Rex

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Jousma, David
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Subject: [External] Re: CBTTAPE

I keep saying thisuse the ISFSLASH facility via REXX.   Works great, uses 
USERS assigned security for resolving authority, and is a published interface 
by IBM.  I'll be glad to post the rexx and JCL if needed.My only ask has 
been that IBM actually supply the function via IBM provided load module, 
instead of REXX so that it can be easily utilized but not altered.   One user 
on this list kindly compiled the REXX and sent it back to me.

_
Dave Jousma
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering

Fifth Third Bank  |  1830 East Paris Ave, SE  |  MD RSCB2H  |  Grand Rapids, MI 
49546
616.653.8429  |  fax: 616.653.2717


-Original Message-
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Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 2:21 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

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Unfortunately, that wasn't the one. The program I am trying to find has a SYSIN 
dd statement (w/LRECL=80) and the afore mentioned eye catcher.
Also, the source in FILE404 has an eye catcher of "T.S.S.O." which is missing 
from my load module.

Thanks anyway.

-Original Message-
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Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:04 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

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Thx Lionel

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Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

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That sounds like one of the programs from the TSSO package from back in the day.

Take a look in File 404 for what may be what you're looking for.


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Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:15 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: CBTTAPE

I am looking for the source to a program link-edited as "OSCMD". From a browse 
of the load module, I see by a load module browse: "ISSUE OS/VS CONSOLE COMMAND 
WRITTEN BY J. WONG09.57_11/05/86"
I have found a couple of similar programs, usually called “command” on the 
overflow tape (and I am checking the cbttape)

Since this machine is in Canada, I suspect it was obtained from either Royal 
Bank of Canada or one of the Canadian life insurance companies.

Can anyone point me to the file containing the source for "OSCMD"?

TIA


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion 

Re: CBTTAPE

[Jousma, David]

Well , yes there is that issue   It is still my own personal opinion, that 
IBM ought to be supplying a command-issuer that uses standard SAF calls instead 
of everyone rolling their own.
_
Dave Jousma
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering  

Fifth Third Bank  |  1830 East Paris Ave, SE  |  MD RSCB2H  |  Grand Rapids, MI 
49546
616.653.8429  |  fax: 616.653.2717


-Original Message-
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Pommier, Rex
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 3:04 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

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But what of those of us who don't have SDSF?  Yes, we exist.  :-)

Rex

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Jousma, David
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:27 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [External] Re: CBTTAPE

I keep saying thisuse the ISFSLASH facility via REXX.   Works great, uses 
USERS assigned security for resolving authority, and is a published interface 
by IBM.  I'll be glad to post the rexx and JCL if needed.My only ask has 
been that IBM actually supply the function via IBM provided load module, 
instead of REXX so that it can be easily utilized but not altered.   One user 
on this list kindly compiled the REXX and sent it back to me.

_
Dave Jousma
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering  

Fifth Third Bank  |  1830 East Paris Ave, SE  |  MD RSCB2H  |  Grand Rapids, MI 
49546
616.653.8429  |  fax: 616.653.2717


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 2:21 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

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Unfortunately, that wasn't the one. The program I am trying to find has a SYSIN 
dd statement (w/LRECL=80) and the afore mentioned eye catcher.
Also, the source in FILE404 has an eye catcher of "T.S.S.O." which is missing 
from my load module.

Thanks anyway.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:04 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

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sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

Thx Lionel

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Lionel B Dyck
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:57 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

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sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

That sounds like one of the programs from the TSSO package from back in the day.

Take a look in File 404 for what may be what you're looking for.


Lionel B. Dyck <
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:15 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: CBTTAPE

I am looking for the source to a program link-edited as "OSCMD". From a browse 
of the load module, I see by a load module browse: "ISSUE OS/VS CONSOLE COMMAND 
WRITTEN BY J. WONG09.57_11/05/86"
I have found a couple of similar programs, usually called “command” on the 
overflow tape (and I am checking the cbttape)

Since this machine is in Canada, I suspect it was obtained from either Royal 
Bank of Canada or one of the Canadian life insurance companies.

Can anyone point me to the file containing the source for "OSCMD"?

TIA


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution

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I forgot that plus the correct job class 

Re: [External] Re: CBTTAPE

[Pommier, Rex]

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Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 3:12 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [External] Re: CBTTAPE

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 19:04:24 +, Pommier, Rex wrote:

>But what of those of us who don't have SDSF?  Yes, we exist.  :-)
> 
(E)JES?  https://phoenixsoftware.com/ejes.htm

-- gil


Nope, Automon from Macro4.  Got some nice features that would have been nice in 
SDSF but I miss some of the SDSF functionality.  

Rex


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Re: CBTTAPE

[Seymour J Metz]

I can issue commands that are permitted from REXX in batch.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Allan Staller [allan.stal...@hcl.com]
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 2:01 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

Batch execution

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Binyamin Dissen
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:40 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

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As there are now native zOS TSO/REXX routines to do the same, why bother with 
the CBT program?

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:14:33 + Allan Staller 
wrote:

:>I am looking for the source to a program link-edited as "OSCMD". From a 
browse of the load module, I see by a load module browse: "ISSUE OS/VS CONSOLE 
COMMAND WRITTEN BY J. WONG09.57_11/05/86"
:>I have found a couple of similar programs, usually called “command” on the 
overflow tape (and I am checking the cbttape) :> :>Since this machine is in 
Canada, I suspect it was obtained from either Royal Bank of Canada or one of 
the Canadian life insurance companies.
:>
:>Can anyone point me to the file containing the source for "OSCMD"?
:>
:>TIA
:>
:>
:>-Original Message-
:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
:>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:50 AM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution
:>
:>[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] :> :>I forgot 
that plus the correct job class for that node if applicable :> :> :>Carmen 
Vitullo :>
:>- Original Message -
:>
:>From: "David Jousma" <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:36:21 AM
:>Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution
:>
:>Need both
:>
:>/*ROUTE XEQ njenodename
:>/*JOBPARM S=executionsystem
:>
:>_
:>Dave Jousma
:>AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering
:>
:>Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 
49546
:>616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717
:>
:>
:>-Original Message-
:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
:>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:29 AM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Subject: JES2 remote execution
:>
:>**CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL**
:>
:>**DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or 
unexpected emails** :> :>Is anyone aware of the syntax to force execution on a 
particular LPAR in a remote JES2 MAS.
:>
:>The NJE links are established and running.
:>
:>I tried /*ROUTE XEQ node.lpar but this executed on an incorrect JES2 instance.
:>
:>Thanks in advance,
:>
:>-Original Message-
:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Charles Mills
:>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:24 AM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community
:>
:>[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] :> :>I thought 
the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the vine.
:>
:>Charles
:>
:>
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:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
Behalf Of Phil Smith III
:>Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:59 PM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community
:>
:>Lionel B Dyck wrote:
:>
:>>Check this out - looks new but promising :> 
:>>https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprote
:>>ct2.fireeye.com%2Furl%3Fk%3D8c201f8f-d07ceb80-8c203517-0cc47a333da
:>>ta=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C50ee0b3ab9f240848af708d81143d80d
:>>%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C637278330385739308sd
:>>ata=%2F%2F8K8YPiUUAkXWFFeV021D3mTIGoXCSRmclG%2B%2Fw57xw%3Dreserved
:>>=0
:>>47c-84810d2858688e0d=https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?
:>>url=https%3A%2F%2Fmainframe.community%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Callan.stall
:>>er%40HCL.COM%7Cc23b84a3dff4407e8c5508d81137da8d%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686
:>>f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C63727827889584sdata=2RSMPfZF1GMf9wciljqv
:>>34XfXbwA08fM7c6JnjVR1us%3Dreserved=0
:>
:>
:>
:>Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the 
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but moving it from this list 
has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE forums, and a few more I can't 
remember.
:>
:>
:>

Re: CBTTAPE

[Seymour J Metz]

Why, unless you need other SDSF facilities? What advantage does it have over 
CONSOLE?


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
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Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 2:26 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

I keep saying thisuse the ISFSLASH facility via REXX.   Works great, uses 
USERS assigned security for resolving authority, and is a published interface 
by IBM.  I'll be glad to post the rexx and JCL if needed.My only ask has 
been that IBM actually supply the function via IBM provided load module, 
instead of REXX so that it can be easily utilized but not altered.   One user 
on this list kindly compiled the REXX and sent it back to me.

_
Dave Jousma
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering

Fifth Third Bank  |  1830 East Paris Ave, SE  |  MD RSCB2H  |  Grand Rapids, MI 
49546
616.653.8429  |  fax: 616.653.2717


-Original Message-
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Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 2:21 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

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Unfortunately, that wasn't the one. The program I am trying to find has a SYSIN 
dd statement (w/LRECL=80) and the afore mentioned eye catcher.
Also, the source in FILE404 has an eye catcher of "T.S.S.O." which is missing 
from my load module.

Thanks anyway.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:04 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

Thx Lionel

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Lionel B Dyck
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:57 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

That sounds like one of the programs from the TSSO package from back in the day.

Take a look in File 404 for what may be what you're looking for.


Lionel B. Dyck <
Website: 
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:15 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: CBTTAPE

I am looking for the source to a program link-edited as "OSCMD". From a browse 
of the load module, I see by a load module browse: "ISSUE OS/VS CONSOLE COMMAND 
WRITTEN BY J. WONG09.57_11/05/86"
I have found a couple of similar programs, usually called “command” on the 
overflow tape (and I am checking the cbttape)

Since this machine is in Canada, I suspect it was obtained from either Royal 
Bank of Canada or one of the Canadian life insurance companies.

Can anyone point me to the file containing the source for "OSCMD"?

TIA


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

I forgot that plus the correct job class for that node if applicable


Carmen Vitullo

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From: "David Jousma" <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:36:21 AM
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution

Need both

/*ROUTE XEQ njenodename
/*JOBPARM S=executionsystem

_
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AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering

Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546
616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:29 

Re: CBTTAPE

[Seymour J Metz]

Use CONSOLE.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com]
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 3:04 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

But what of those of us who don't have SDSF?  Yes, we exist.  :-)

Rex

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Jousma, David
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:27 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [External] Re: CBTTAPE

I keep saying thisuse the ISFSLASH facility via REXX.   Works great, uses 
USERS assigned security for resolving authority, and is a published interface 
by IBM.  I'll be glad to post the rexx and JCL if needed.My only ask has 
been that IBM actually supply the function via IBM provided load module, 
instead of REXX so that it can be easily utilized but not altered.   One user 
on this list kindly compiled the REXX and sent it back to me.

_
Dave Jousma
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering

Fifth Third Bank  |  1830 East Paris Ave, SE  |  MD RSCB2H  |  Grand Rapids, MI 
49546
616.653.8429  |  fax: 616.653.2717


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 2:21 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

**CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL**

**DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected 
emails**

Unfortunately, that wasn't the one. The program I am trying to find has a SYSIN 
dd statement (w/LRECL=80) and the afore mentioned eye catcher.
Also, the source in FILE404 has an eye catcher of "T.S.S.O." which is missing 
from my load module.

Thanks anyway.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:04 PM
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Thx Lionel

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That sounds like one of the programs from the TSSO package from back in the day.

Take a look in File 404 for what may be what you're looking for.


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I am looking for the source to a program link-edited as "OSCMD". From a browse 
of the load module, I see by a load module browse: "ISSUE OS/VS CONSOLE COMMAND 
WRITTEN BY J. WONG09.57_11/05/86"
I have found a couple of similar programs, usually called “command” on the 
overflow tape (and I am checking the cbttape)

Since this machine is in Canada, I suspect it was obtained from either Royal 
Bank of Canada or one of the Canadian life insurance companies.

Can anyone point me to the file containing the source for "OSCMD"?

TIA


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I forgot that plus the correct job class for that node if applicable


Carmen Vitullo

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Need both

/*ROUTE XEQ njenodename
/*JOBPARM S=executionsystem

_
Dave Jousma
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering

Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 

Re: HOW DO I VERIFY A USERID'S ACCESS TO A DATASET

[Seymour J Metz]

OPEN was also notorious for giving a return code in R15 rather than an ABEND, 
leading to program checks in low storage when the program did a GET or PUT 
without checking whether the DCB was in fact open. SDome programmers can't even 
spell DCBOFLGS.


--
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


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Subject: Re: HOW DO I VERIFY A USERID'S ACCESS TO A DATASET

On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:51:25 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:
>
>B5> Ok, so things change; I still don't see why that means one shouldn't ask.  
>How is partial information (that is, it'll work under most circumstances but 
>not under all) worse than no information at all?  One can't be sure that the 
>logic will continue to work at some hypothetical point in the future, when the 
>system has changed in some way - if that were a bar to asking the question, 
>how would we ever write ~any~ program?
>
This works well if the query supports a ternary response:
o Allow
o Prohibit
o Didn't understand (possibly syntax error)

The third case might impel a redesign.  What does LISTDSD
reply for a syntax error, possibly a zFS path?

>G4> A security jock should treat an access query with a negative reply as a 
>violation as serious as attempting the access and failing.
>
>B5> "As serious"?  So you think attempting the access and failing is a serious 
>violation (at least to some extent)?  Yet you're advocating that he do just 
>that.
>
The question was posed those years ago by a programmer afflicted
with a stodgy security jock who investigated and possibly wrote up
any prohibited access attempt.  The questioner was seeking a process
to avoid such interactions.

>G2> Better just to try the access and report any failure.
>
>B5> Having said all of the above, I'm now reconsidering, not for security 
>reasons but operational.  One of the main reasons I approve of people being 
>allowed to ask the do-I-have-access question ahead of time is to allow 
>controled exit from a program if the answer is negative, rather than the 
>program bombing.  But then, you can exit in a controled manner if you try and 
>fail, too; you just trap the result, or check the RC, and decide then whether 
>to continue.  In that sense there's no real advantage to asking ahead of time.
>
>In fact from a coding point of view it's probably simpler just to try it and 
>trap the result, because if you ask the question, then attempt the access, 
>then trap the result anyway (just in case your question wasn't answered 
>correctly, for any reason), your program has to do more.
>
In my view, OPEN was notorious for ABENDing rather than setting status
in R15.  I suppose that was to protect the programmer from ignoring R15.
But I'd expect a programmer who did so simply to get the ABEND on the
first I/O operation.

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Re: CBTTAPE

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 19:04:24 +, Pommier, Rex wrote:

>But what of those of us who don't have SDSF?  Yes, we exist.  :-)
> 
(E)JES?  https://phoenixsoftware.com/ejes.htm

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Re: CBTTAPE

[Rich Tabor]

File 404

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Allan Staller
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Subject: [IBM-MAIN] CBTTAPE

I am looking for the source to a program link-edited as "OSCMD". From a browse 
of the load module, I see by a load module browse: "ISSUE OS/VS CONSOLE COMMAND 
WRITTEN BY J. WONG09.57_11/05/86"
I have found a couple of similar programs, usually called “command” on the 
overflow tape (and I am checking the cbttape)

Since this machine is in Canada, I suspect it was obtained from either Royal 
Bank of Canada or one of the Canadian life insurance companies.

Can anyone point me to the file containing the source for "OSCMD"?

TIA


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I forgot that plus the correct job class for that node if applicable


Carmen Vitullo

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Need both

/*ROUTE XEQ njenodename
/*JOBPARM S=executionsystem

_
Dave Jousma
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering

Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546
616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717


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Is anyone aware of the syntax to force execution on a particular LPAR in a 
remote JES2 MAS.

The NJE links are established and running.

I tried /*ROUTE XEQ node.lpar but this executed on an incorrect JES2 instance.

Thanks in advance,

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I thought the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the 
vine.

Charles


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Lionel B Dyck wrote:

>Check this out - looks new but promising

>https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprote
>ct2.fireeye.com%2Furl%3Fk%3D8c201f8f-d07ceb80-8c203517-0cc47a333da
>ta=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C50ee0b3ab9f240848af708d81143d80d
>%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C637278330385739308sd
>ata=%2F%2F8K8YPiUUAkXWFFeV021D3mTIGoXCSRmclG%2B%2Fw57xw%3Dreserved
>=0 
>47c-84810d2858688e0d=https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?
>url=https%3A%2F%2Fmainframe.community%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Callan.stall
>er%40HCL.COM%7Cc23b84a3dff4407e8c5508d81137da8d%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686
>f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C63727827889584sdata=2RSMPfZF1GMf9wciljqv
>34XfXbwA08fM7c6JnjVR1us%3Dreserved=0



Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the 
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but moving it from this list 
has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE forums, and a few more I can't 
remember.



While it might in principle be better than this list, it seems a stretch to 
expect it to take over. And fragmentation is almost certainly not a good thing.



...phsiii


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Re: [External] Re: New Mainframe Community

[Pommier, Rex]

I remember that as well.  They would display about 3-4 pages of the manual and 
have the rest grayed out with the "pay to unlock and read".  

Rex

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When searching google for manuals, I seem to remember coming across a site that 
has uploaded things like redbooks and (I believe) charges for access.  Sorry no 
link right now but I'm sure I remember this.

P.S. That'll be $19.99 for this information.  But wait... if you call right now 
you can double your order.  Just pay an additional fee.

On 6/15/2020 10:40 AM, Sri h Kolusu wrote:
 sell answers? first I heard, pathetic ?
> 
> They DO sell the answers. go check on the parent site. I consider any 
> one selling the knowledge of other is pathetic.
> 
>> seems someone is confused  the site I was referring to is
> 
> I am crystal clear on the sites you refer.  No confusion involved. The 
> site your refer is also being run by the same folks that I mentioned earlier.
> 
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Re: CBTTAPE

[Pommier, Rex]

But what of those of us who don't have SDSF?  Yes, we exist.  :-)

Rex

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I keep saying thisuse the ISFSLASH facility via REXX.   Works great, uses 
USERS assigned security for resolving authority, and is a published interface 
by IBM.  I'll be glad to post the rexx and JCL if needed.My only ask has 
been that IBM actually supply the function via IBM provided load module, 
instead of REXX so that it can be easily utilized but not altered.   One user 
on this list kindly compiled the REXX and sent it back to me.

_
Dave Jousma
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering  

Fifth Third Bank  |  1830 East Paris Ave, SE  |  MD RSCB2H  |  Grand Rapids, MI 
49546
616.653.8429  |  fax: 616.653.2717


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Unfortunately, that wasn't the one. The program I am trying to find has a SYSIN 
dd statement (w/LRECL=80) and the afore mentioned eye catcher.
Also, the source in FILE404 has an eye catcher of "T.S.S.O." which is missing 
from my load module.

Thanks anyway.

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Thx Lionel

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That sounds like one of the programs from the TSSO package from back in the day.

Take a look in File 404 for what may be what you're looking for.


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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:15 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: CBTTAPE

I am looking for the source to a program link-edited as "OSCMD". From a browse 
of the load module, I see by a load module browse: "ISSUE OS/VS CONSOLE COMMAND 
WRITTEN BY J. WONG09.57_11/05/86"
I have found a couple of similar programs, usually called “command” on the 
overflow tape (and I am checking the cbttape)

Since this machine is in Canada, I suspect it was obtained from either Royal 
Bank of Canada or one of the Canadian life insurance companies.

Can anyone point me to the file containing the source for "OSCMD"?

TIA


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Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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I forgot that plus the correct job class for that node if applicable


Carmen Vitullo

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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:36:21 AM
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution

Need both

/*ROUTE XEQ njenodename
/*JOBPARM S=executionsystem

_
Dave Jousma
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering

Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546
616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717


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Re: New Mainframe Community

[Tom Brennan]

When searching google for manuals, I seem to remember coming across a 
site that has uploaded things like redbooks and (I believe) charges for 
access.  Sorry no link right now but I'm sure I remember this.


P.S. That'll be $19.99 for this information.  But wait... if you call 
right now you can double your order.  Just pay an additional fee.


On 6/15/2020 10:40 AM, Sri h Kolusu wrote:

sell answers? first I heard, pathetic ?


They DO sell the answers. go check on the parent site. I consider any one
selling the knowledge of other is pathetic.


seems someone is confused  the site I was referring to is


I am crystal clear on the sites you refer.  No confusion involved. The site
your refer is also being run by the same folks that I mentioned earlier.


Thanks,
Kolusu



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Re: WP vs MS [was:: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )]

[scott Ford]

I have always used Word documents , better now since you can create PDFs
with Word, Excel and Visio. I used to do a lot of Visio and then imbed the
diagrams.
But what works for you is cool.


Scott

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:44 PM Martin Packer 
wrote:

> I use Markdown, with a preprocessor I wrote - for both slides and text.
>
> I'm thinking of open sourcing the preprocessor - mdpre - and the pptx
> generator - md2pptx. (Right now they're on IBM's internal GitHub site but
> I don't anticipate much difficulty in open sourcing them.) Both are
> written in Python 3.
>
> Cheers, Martin
>
> Martin Packer
>
> zChampion, Systems Investigator & Performance Troubleshooter, IBM
>
> +44-7802-245-584
>
> email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com
>
> Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker
>
> Blog: https://mainframeperformancetopics.com
>
> Podcast Series (With Marna Walle): https://developer.ibm.com/tv/mpt/
> or
>
>
> https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2
>
>
> Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA
>
>
>
> From:   Seymour J Metz 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date:   15/06/2020 18:27
> Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: WP vs MS [was:: Quote style (was: ...
> Passive FTP ... )]
> Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
>
>
> I started using LyX and decided that it was easier to just write my own
> LaTeX markup. I know longer recall what the issues are, but I use,
> e.g.,embedded images (
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mason.gmu.edu_-7Esmetz3_humor_RFC1149.html=DwIFAg=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ=K8Is7dW492k9RcCQgD7G_virhOHcBXlMmDYD25EAXa8=xUzro7nZU172LTyxA6JJ6lM8OxI03jrs_4kIgJ54dmE=
> ),  some less common packages (
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mason.gmu.edu_-7Esmetz3_humor_DOX.pdf=DwIFAg=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ=K8Is7dW492k9RcCQgD7G_virhOHcBXlMmDYD25EAXa8=q2_K7yJW068bx7Og9edLWf3LyhRImSjPIblS-o4c3Qg=
> ) and packages specifically for  Mathematics, e.g., drawing commutative
> diagrams..
>
> Latex is awkward, and I'd much rather have BookMaster and BookManager
> BUILD (MVS) for things like letters and documentation, but LaTeX is still
> in the "cold dead hands" category for either Mathematics or tee-shirt
> design.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mason.gmu.edu_-7Esmetz3=DwIFAg=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ=K8Is7dW492k9RcCQgD7G_virhOHcBXlMmDYD25EAXa8=5u2yaCCw26LaUXIHjXKbf836AwjGlCCos6nah9ukowc=
>
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> of John McKown [john.archie.mck...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 7:11 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: WP vs MS [was:: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )]
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:44 PM Farley, Peter x23353 <
> peter.far...@broadridge.com> wrote:
>
> > And WP still exists and is still thriving, AFAICT.  I run WP X8 on my
> home
> > machines, and version X9 is out since last year.  I just haven't
> upgraded
> > yet.
> >
> > Use WP reveal codes on any reasonably complex MS document to see just
> what
> > kind of cr*p is generated.  It takes a long time to clean up the mess.
> >
> > My wife won't use anything but WP on her machine, and I don't blame her.
> >
> > AFAIK, MS still can't do lawyerly "Tables of Authority" at all.  WP has
> > done it forever, and as a result pretty much dominates the professional
> > lawyer niche.  Plus they have a huge medical office professional
> following
> > for other features unique to that environment.
> >
> > And don't even try to do printed labels with MS.  WP has done it right
> and
> > easy forever.
> >
> > Peter
> >
>
> Being a weirdo, I prefer a "document processor" to a "word processor" for
> anything that is more complicated than a simple letter or memo, such as
> documentation. In particular, I like LaTeX.
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__secure-2Dweb.cisco.com_1dDa33vqPqkN21SeodHXen8YvN10H5oTA5a-2D-2DDD0EFVbzxjiZfvCpPP99eYEyj5nwebhZtpQpdlMa7JpQZZPQ-2DiDCXz-5FGh5SOz7BwFwARlHzBogTERU0kSw6GUdK2ERX5DwiE1tI3EX8ECkMIN3m5mQzaoMQgZ0TaVxRYX2ZrsNSpgMRr3xqPyL0-2Dx40FDXwu48-2DgMrcZ3xSC9beV-2Df6N6m8py0q1ELPqQ2kTgFBAdWWimulfpImagAb-2DTopunclgKPmnhh-2Di3qvhiu6cXferKT18gBsgg9B0m-5Fzj3A6DqqbZKQICUkakG5IRthZi2TjtlbBH-5FZcTT-2DIIiXYjf1CjIZsyn8pxrHysk-5FmKnCTpegtpR-5FUYSXn-5F8-2DUxg6rCi7htMtG37Dm-2DSIPNuNDNDaBECe7eZT5D0QwvSGxvq4C9mYfUhqM2iIVGl4JYiUpzOMBr_https-253A-252F-252Fen.wikipedia.org-252Fwiki-252FLaTeX=DwIFAg=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ=K8Is7dW492k9RcCQgD7G_virhOHcBXlMmDYD25EAXa8=yTqXMbHQnfYeHYylY7qLCzxAbPYKTNgHz1t9x1ILKyQ=
>  Actually, TeX is a typesetting system.
> And it is a markup language (like HTML & CSS).
>
> 

Re: WP vs MS [was:: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )]

[Martin Packer]

I use Markdown, with a preprocessor I wrote - for both slides and text.

I'm thinking of open sourcing the preprocessor - mdpre - and the pptx 
generator - md2pptx. (Right now they're on IBM's internal GitHub site but 
I don't anticipate much difficulty in open sourcing them.) Both are 
written in Python 3.

Cheers, Martin

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From:   Seymour J Metz 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date:   15/06/2020 18:27
Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: WP vs MS [was:: Quote style (was: ... 
Passive FTP ... )]
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I started using LyX and decided that it was easier to just write my own 
LaTeX markup. I know longer recall what the issues are, but I use, 
e.g.,embedded images (
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mason.gmu.edu_-7Esmetz3_humor_RFC1149.html=DwIFAg=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ=K8Is7dW492k9RcCQgD7G_virhOHcBXlMmDYD25EAXa8=xUzro7nZU172LTyxA6JJ6lM8OxI03jrs_4kIgJ54dmE=
 
),  some less common packages ( 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mason.gmu.edu_-7Esmetz3_humor_DOX.pdf=DwIFAg=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ=K8Is7dW492k9RcCQgD7G_virhOHcBXlMmDYD25EAXa8=q2_K7yJW068bx7Og9edLWf3LyhRImSjPIblS-o4c3Qg=
 
) and packages specifically for  Mathematics, e.g., drawing commutative 
diagrams..

Latex is awkward, and I'd much rather have BookMaster and BookManager 
BUILD (MVS) for things like letters and documentation, but LaTeX is still 
in the "cold dead hands" category for either Mathematics or tee-shirt 
design.


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of John McKown [john.archie.mck...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 7:11 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: WP vs MS [was:: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )]

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:44 PM Farley, Peter x23353 <
peter.far...@broadridge.com> wrote:

> And WP still exists and is still thriving, AFAICT.  I run WP X8 on my 
home
> machines, and version X9 is out since last year.  I just haven't 
upgraded
> yet.
>
> Use WP reveal codes on any reasonably complex MS document to see just 
what
> kind of cr*p is generated.  It takes a long time to clean up the mess.
>
> My wife won't use anything but WP on her machine, and I don't blame her.
>
> AFAIK, MS still can't do lawyerly "Tables of Authority" at all.  WP has
> done it forever, and as a result pretty much dominates the professional
> lawyer niche.  Plus they have a huge medical office professional 
following
> for other features unique to that environment.
>
> And don't even try to do printed labels with MS.  WP has done it right 
and
> easy forever.
>
> Peter
>

Being a weirdo, I prefer a "document processor" to a "word processor" for
anything that is more complicated than a simple letter or memo, such as
documentation. In particular, I like LaTeX.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__secure-2Dweb.cisco.com_1dDa33vqPqkN21SeodHXen8YvN10H5oTA5a-2D-2DDD0EFVbzxjiZfvCpPP99eYEyj5nwebhZtpQpdlMa7JpQZZPQ-2DiDCXz-5FGh5SOz7BwFwARlHzBogTERU0kSw6GUdK2ERX5DwiE1tI3EX8ECkMIN3m5mQzaoMQgZ0TaVxRYX2ZrsNSpgMRr3xqPyL0-2Dx40FDXwu48-2DgMrcZ3xSC9beV-2Df6N6m8py0q1ELPqQ2kTgFBAdWWimulfpImagAb-2DTopunclgKPmnhh-2Di3qvhiu6cXferKT18gBsgg9B0m-5Fzj3A6DqqbZKQICUkakG5IRthZi2TjtlbBH-5FZcTT-2DIIiXYjf1CjIZsyn8pxrHysk-5FmKnCTpegtpR-5FUYSXn-5F8-2DUxg6rCi7htMtG37Dm-2DSIPNuNDNDaBECe7eZT5D0QwvSGxvq4C9mYfUhqM2iIVGl4JYiUpzOMBr_https-253A-252F-252Fen.wikipedia.org-252Fwiki-252FLaTeX=DwIFAg=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ=K8Is7dW492k9RcCQgD7G_virhOHcBXlMmDYD25EAXa8=yTqXMbHQnfYeHYylY7qLCzxAbPYKTNgHz1t9x1ILKyQ=
 
 Actually, TeX is a typesetting system.
And it is a markup language (like HTML & CSS).

Re: New Mainframe Community

[Don Leahy]

I was on that site for many years, but now the obnoxious ads are driving me
away.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 14:09 Carmen Vitullo  wrote:

> I thought I recognized your name, I was there back in the day when all the
> members of my MF team quit, and I was left to sort out z/os installs
> SYSPLEX , MAS...I/O def... I reached out here for some help and got very
> little, I found that site over 10 years ago maybe and got some good help
> from folks I knew that were mentors, I never knew they started promoting
> ads.
> thanks for pointing that out
>
>
> Carmen Vitullo
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Sri h Kolusu" 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:01:41 PM
> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community
>
> > well then - they miss out on me, I've got free answers, and I know a
> > lot of folks - beginners mostly that received good help.
>
> I was a member of those sites and provided numerous answers (skolusu) and
> quit when they started forcing ads.
>
> >I have much more work to do than research other sites.
>
> I only pointed out because you are promoting a sham site. Nothing against
> you.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Kolusu
>
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Re: CBTTAPE

[Jousma, David]

I keep saying thisuse the ISFSLASH facility via REXX.   Works great, uses 
USERS assigned security for resolving authority, and is a published interface 
by IBM.  I'll be glad to post the rexx and JCL if needed.My only ask has 
been that IBM actually supply the function via IBM provided load module, 
instead of REXX so that it can be easily utilized but not altered.   One user 
on this list kindly compiled the REXX and sent it back to me.

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-Original Message-
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Unfortunately, that wasn't the one. The program I am trying to find has a SYSIN 
dd statement (w/LRECL=80) and the afore mentioned eye catcher.
Also, the source in FILE404 has an eye catcher of "T.S.S.O." which is missing 
from my load module.

Thanks anyway.

-Original Message-
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Allan Staller
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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

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Thx Lionel

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:57 PM
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That sounds like one of the programs from the TSSO package from back in the day.

Take a look in File 404 for what may be what you're looking for.


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-Original Message-
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Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:15 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: CBTTAPE

I am looking for the source to a program link-edited as "OSCMD". From a browse 
of the load module, I see by a load module browse: "ISSUE OS/VS CONSOLE COMMAND 
WRITTEN BY J. WONG09.57_11/05/86"
I have found a couple of similar programs, usually called “command” on the 
overflow tape (and I am checking the cbttape)

Since this machine is in Canada, I suspect it was obtained from either Royal 
Bank of Canada or one of the Canadian life insurance companies.

Can anyone point me to the file containing the source for "OSCMD"?

TIA


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution

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I forgot that plus the correct job class for that node if applicable


Carmen Vitullo

- Original Message -

From: "David Jousma" <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:36:21 AM
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution

Need both

/*ROUTE XEQ njenodename
/*JOBPARM S=executionsystem

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-Original Message-
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Subject: JES2 remote execution

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Is anyone aware of the syntax to force execution on a particular LPAR in a 
remote JES2 MAS.

The NJE links are established and running.

I tried /*ROUTE XEQ node.lpar but this executed on an incorrect JES2 instance.

Thanks in 

Re: CBTTAPE

[Allan Staller]

Unfortunately, that wasn't the one. The program I am trying to find has a SYSIN 
dd statement (w/LRECL=80) and the afore mentioned eye catcher.
Also, the source in FILE404 has an eye catcher of "T.S.S.O." which is missing 
from my load module.

Thanks anyway.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:04 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

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sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

Thx Lionel

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Lionel B Dyck
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:57 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

That sounds like one of the programs from the TSSO package from back in the day.

Take a look in File 404 for what may be what you're looking for.


Lionel B. Dyck <
Website: 
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:15 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: CBTTAPE

I am looking for the source to a program link-edited as "OSCMD". From a browse 
of the load module, I see by a load module browse: "ISSUE OS/VS CONSOLE COMMAND 
WRITTEN BY J. WONG09.57_11/05/86"
I have found a couple of similar programs, usually called “command” on the 
overflow tape (and I am checking the cbttape)

Since this machine is in Canada, I suspect it was obtained from either Royal 
Bank of Canada or one of the Canadian life insurance companies.

Can anyone point me to the file containing the source for "OSCMD"?

TIA


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

I forgot that plus the correct job class for that node if applicable


Carmen Vitullo

- Original Message -

From: "David Jousma" <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:36:21 AM
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution

Need both

/*ROUTE XEQ njenodename
/*JOBPARM S=executionsystem

_
Dave Jousma
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering

Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546
616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:29 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: JES2 remote execution

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emails**

Is anyone aware of the syntax to force execution on a particular LPAR in a 
remote JES2 MAS.

The NJE links are established and running.

I tried /*ROUTE XEQ node.lpar but this executed on an incorrect JES2 instance.

Thanks in advance,

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Charles Mills
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:24 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community

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which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

I thought the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the 
vine.

Charles


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Of Phil Smith III
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:59 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community

Lionel B Dyck wrote:

>Check this out - looks new but promising

>https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprote
>ct2.fireeye.com%2Furl%3Fk%3D8c201f8f-d07ceb80-8c203517-0cc47a333da
>ta=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C50ee0b3ab9f240848af708d81143d80d

Re: z/OS Master Console Commands

[David Spiegel]

PA1

On 2020-06-15 13:51, Elaine Beal wrote:

Isn't there a way to recall previous commands on the console?
I can't find anything and it's killin me!
Thanks, Elaine

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Edg (was Re: New Mainframe Community)

[Steve Smith]

Yeah, MS finally got the message.  The newest "Edge" is yet another wrapper
around Chromium, so presumably it doesn't suck quite as hard as MS browsers
traditionally do.  But I'm just going to assume that the best it can be
isn't good enough to use it.

sas

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:06 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> I used to think that IE was as bad as it got, but ?Fairfax County Public
> Libraries switched to edge (I call it edgey) and that was worse.
>
>

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Re: New Mainframe Community

[Seymour J Metz]

And that won't work with old browsers.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Phil Smith III [li...@akphs.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:58 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community

Lionel B Dyck wrote:

>Check this out - looks new but promising

>https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Hxjnbu-7QL9NZvqzYa_Oy2C7KBtwM6hflC-fnf5qwAfExalxQ2IKvdbQaBAaCtRwPLgafx76jZ88noTjlbkGbOzsG-J2taCO3lLAwX3hZ8C8ABWBn-ExaJdYs7bfyEEbh_k31WbzUrQBMIIkZvCqjtqAC4x0gAXDHzwT1GvigukqnE6bF1RvCIZyFVPU1US64BCGw81gjDMvlAdB_vca1QmfnbSg3eI7Bljo_3QeSFxG1xrFaVSFZbP8XqOcODuQcH0GeXOG0NQ0kF2K8SwtHiip9XCTLb6UqhWpY4T6ITjaFCIvRUqprsEZpNm-H8vrijW40VdJifHr1toeAsw_oLbAjXKNDXjPX10SY5kLqBTKCpCVsr8BGjwZ5CNLgE-keCAuBekhJFS271o7RQQMAaYBnQgVFjRqlnzqBZxJtR0K8sdsFLOCX-XEC6MhIWkF/https%3A%2F%2Fmainframe.community%2F



Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the 
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but
moving it from this list has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE 
forums, and a few more I can't remember.



While it might in principle be better than this list, it seems a stretch to 
expect it to take over. And fragmentation is almost
certainly not a good thing.



...phsiii


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Re: New Mainframe Community

[Carmen Vitullo]

I thought I recognized your name, I was there back in the day when all the 
members of my MF team quit, and I was left to sort out z/os installs SYSPLEX , 
MAS...I/O def... I reached out here for some help and got very little, I found 
that site over 10 years ago maybe and got some good help from folks I knew that 
were mentors, I never knew they started promoting ads. 
thanks for pointing that out 


Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message -

From: "Sri h Kolusu"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:01:41 PM 
Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community 

> well then - they miss out on me, I've got free answers, and I know a 
> lot of folks - beginners mostly that received good help. 

I was a member of those sites and provided numerous answers (skolusu) and 
quit when they started forcing ads. 

>I have much more work to do than research other sites. 

I only pointed out because you are promoting a sham site. Nothing against 
you. 


Thanks, 
Kolusu 

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Re: New Mainframe Community

[Seymour J Metz]

I used to think that IE was as bad as it got, but ?Fairfax County Public 
Libraries switched to edge (I call it edgey) and that was worse.


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David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:49 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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Wow, "corporate-required Internet Explorer"! Your company needs to
review some of it's standards!!

On 2020-06-15 12:30 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
> corporate-required Internet Explorer

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Re: CBTTAPE

[Allan Staller]

Thx Lionel

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Lionel B Dyck
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:57 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

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That sounds like one of the programs from the TSSO package from back in the day.

Take a look in File 404 for what may be what you're looking for.


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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:15 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: CBTTAPE

I am looking for the source to a program link-edited as "OSCMD". From a browse 
of the load module, I see by a load module browse: "ISSUE OS/VS CONSOLE COMMAND 
WRITTEN BY J. WONG09.57_11/05/86"
I have found a couple of similar programs, usually called “command” on the 
overflow tape (and I am checking the cbttape)

Since this machine is in Canada, I suspect it was obtained from either Royal 
Bank of Canada or one of the Canadian life insurance companies.

Can anyone point me to the file containing the source for "OSCMD"?

TIA


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution

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I forgot that plus the correct job class for that node if applicable


Carmen Vitullo

- Original Message -

From: "David Jousma" <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:36:21 AM
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution

Need both

/*ROUTE XEQ njenodename
/*JOBPARM S=executionsystem

_
Dave Jousma
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering

Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546
616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:29 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: JES2 remote execution

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Is anyone aware of the syntax to force execution on a particular LPAR in a 
remote JES2 MAS.

The NJE links are established and running.

I tried /*ROUTE XEQ node.lpar but this executed on an incorrect JES2 instance.

Thanks in advance,

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Charles Mills
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:24 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community

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I thought the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the 
vine.

Charles


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Phil Smith III
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:59 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community

Lionel B Dyck wrote:

>Check this out - looks new but promising

>https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprote
>ct2.fireeye.com%2Furl%3Fk%3D8c201f8f-d07ceb80-8c203517-0cc47a333da
>ta=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C50ee0b3ab9f240848af708d81143d80d
>%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C637278330385739308sd
>ata=%2F%2F8K8YPiUUAkXWFFeV021D3mTIGoXCSRmclG%2B%2Fw57xw%3Dreserved
>=0
>47c-84810d2858688e0d=https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?
>url=https%3A%2F%2Fmainframe.community%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Callan.stall
>er%40HCL.COM%7Cc23b84a3dff4407e8c5508d81137da8d%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686
>f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C63727827889584sdata=2RSMPfZF1GMf9wciljqv
>34XfXbwA08fM7c6JnjVR1us%3Dreserved=0



Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the 
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but moving it from this list 
has been tried repeatedly: 

Re: CBTTAPE

[Allan Staller]

Batch execution

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Binyamin Dissen
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:40 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBTTAPE

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sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

As there are now native zOS TSO/REXX routines to do the same, why bother with 
the CBT program?

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:14:33 + Allan Staller 
wrote:

:>I am looking for the source to a program link-edited as "OSCMD". From a 
browse of the load module, I see by a load module browse: "ISSUE OS/VS CONSOLE 
COMMAND WRITTEN BY J. WONG09.57_11/05/86"
:>I have found a couple of similar programs, usually called “command” on the 
overflow tape (and I am checking the cbttape) :> :>Since this machine is in 
Canada, I suspect it was obtained from either Royal Bank of Canada or one of 
the Canadian life insurance companies.
:>
:>Can anyone point me to the file containing the source for "OSCMD"?
:>
:>TIA
:>
:>
:>-Original Message-
:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
:>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:50 AM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution
:>
:>[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] :> :>I forgot 
that plus the correct job class for that node if applicable :> :> :>Carmen 
Vitullo :>
:>- Original Message -
:>
:>From: "David Jousma" <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:36:21 AM
:>Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution
:>
:>Need both
:>
:>/*ROUTE XEQ njenodename
:>/*JOBPARM S=executionsystem
:>
:>_
:>Dave Jousma
:>AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering
:>
:>Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 
49546
:>616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717
:>
:>
:>-Original Message-
:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
:>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:29 AM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Subject: JES2 remote execution
:>
:>**CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL**
:>
:>**DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or 
unexpected emails** :> :>Is anyone aware of the syntax to force execution on a 
particular LPAR in a remote JES2 MAS.
:>
:>The NJE links are established and running.
:>
:>I tried /*ROUTE XEQ node.lpar but this executed on an incorrect JES2 instance.
:>
:>Thanks in advance,
:>
:>-Original Message-
:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Charles Mills
:>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:24 AM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community
:>
:>[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] :> :>I thought 
the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the vine.
:>
:>Charles
:>
:>
:>-Original Message-
:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
Behalf Of Phil Smith III
:>Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:59 PM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community
:>
:>Lionel B Dyck wrote:
:>
:>>Check this out - looks new but promising :> 
:>>https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprote
:>>ct2.fireeye.com%2Furl%3Fk%3D8c201f8f-d07ceb80-8c203517-0cc47a333da
:>>ta=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C50ee0b3ab9f240848af708d81143d80d
:>>%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C637278330385739308sd
:>>ata=%2F%2F8K8YPiUUAkXWFFeV021D3mTIGoXCSRmclG%2B%2Fw57xw%3Dreserved
:>>=0
:>>47c-84810d2858688e0d=https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?
:>>url=https%3A%2F%2Fmainframe.community%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Callan.stall
:>>er%40HCL.COM%7Cc23b84a3dff4407e8c5508d81137da8d%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686
:>>f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C63727827889584sdata=2RSMPfZF1GMf9wciljqv
:>>34XfXbwA08fM7c6JnjVR1us%3Dreserved=0
:>
:>
:>
:>Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the 
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but moving it from this list 
has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE forums, and a few more I can't 
remember.
:>
:>
:>
:>While it might in principle be better than this list, it seems a stretch to 
expect it to take over. And fragmentation is almost certainly not a good thing.
:>
:>
:>
:>...phsiii
:>
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Re: New Mainframe Community

[Sri h Kolusu]

> well then - they miss out on me, I've got free answers, and I know a
> lot of folks - beginners mostly that received good help.

I was a member of those sites and provided numerous answers (skolusu) and
quit when they started forcing ads.

>I have much more work to do than research other sites.

I only pointed out because you are promoting a sham site.  Nothing against
you.


Thanks,
Kolusu

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Re: CBTTAPE

[Lionel B Dyck]

That sounds like one of the programs from the TSSO package from back in the day.

Take a look in File 404 for what may be what you're looking for.


Lionel B. Dyck <
Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com

"Worry more about your character than your reputation.  Character is what you 
are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:15 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: CBTTAPE

I am looking for the source to a program link-edited as "OSCMD". From a browse 
of the load module, I see by a load module browse: "ISSUE OS/VS CONSOLE COMMAND 
WRITTEN BY J. WONG09.57_11/05/86"
I have found a couple of similar programs, usually called “command” on the 
overflow tape (and I am checking the cbttape)

Since this machine is in Canada, I suspect it was obtained from either Royal 
Bank of Canada or one of the Canadian life insurance companies.

Can anyone point me to the file containing the source for "OSCMD"?

TIA


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

I forgot that plus the correct job class for that node if applicable


Carmen Vitullo

- Original Message -

From: "David Jousma" <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:36:21 AM
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution

Need both

/*ROUTE XEQ njenodename
/*JOBPARM S=executionsystem

_
Dave Jousma
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering

Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546
616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:29 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: JES2 remote execution

**CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL**

**DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected 
emails**

Is anyone aware of the syntax to force execution on a particular LPAR in a 
remote JES2 MAS.

The NJE links are established and running.

I tried /*ROUTE XEQ node.lpar but this executed on an incorrect JES2 instance.

Thanks in advance,

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Charles Mills
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:24 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

I thought the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the 
vine.

Charles


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Phil Smith III
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:59 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community

Lionel B Dyck wrote:

>Check this out - looks new but promising

>https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprote
>ct2.fireeye.com%2Furl%3Fk%3D8c201f8f-d07ceb80-8c203517-0cc47a333da
>ta=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C50ee0b3ab9f240848af708d81143d80d
>%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C637278330385739308sd
>ata=%2F%2F8K8YPiUUAkXWFFeV021D3mTIGoXCSRmclG%2B%2Fw57xw%3Dreserved
>=0 
>47c-84810d2858688e0d=https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?
>url=https%3A%2F%2Fmainframe.community%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Callan.stall
>er%40HCL.COM%7Cc23b84a3dff4407e8c5508d81137da8d%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686
>f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C63727827889584sdata=2RSMPfZF1GMf9wciljqv
>34XfXbwA08fM7c6JnjVR1us%3Dreserved=0



Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the 
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but moving it from this list 
has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE forums, and a few more I can't 
remember.



While it might in principle be better than this list, it seems a stretch to 
expect it to take over. And fragmentation is almost certainly not a good thing.



...phsiii


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Re: z/OS Master Console Commands

[Steve Beaver]

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Spell on any smartphone 

> On Jun 15, 2020, at 12:52, Elaine Beal  wrote:
> 
> Isn't there a way to recall previous commands on the console?
> I can't find anything and it's killin me!
> Thanks, Elaine
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[Elaine Beal]

Isn't there a way to recall previous commands on the console?
I can't find anything and it's killin me!
Thanks, Elaine

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Re: New Mainframe Community

[Carmen Vitullo]

well then - they miss out on me, I've got free answers, and I know a lot of 
folks - beginners mostly that received good help. 
I'll have to trust you when you say they sell answers, I have much more work to 
do than research other sites. 


Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message -

From: "Sri h Kolusu"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:40:47 PM 
Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community 

>>> sell answers? first I heard, pathetic ? 

They DO sell the answers. go check on the parent site. I consider any one 
selling the knowledge of other is pathetic. 

> seems someone is confused the site I was referring to is 

I am crystal clear on the sites you refer. No confusion involved. The site 
your refer is also being run by the same folks that I mentioned earlier. 


Thanks, 
Kolusu 

IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 
06/15/2020 10:28:44 AM: 

> From: Carmen Vitullo  
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Date: 06/15/2020 10:28 AM 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: New Mainframe Community 
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  
> 
>  answers? I am ? 
> 
> sell answers? first I heard, pathetic ? wow - some forum members are 
> admins or have helped beginners on that site, some novice users get 
> good advice and help 
> seems someone is confused 
> the site I was referring to is 
> ibmmainframeforum.com/index.php 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Carmen Vitullo 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> 
> From: "Sri h Kolusu"  
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:11:28 AM 
> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community 
> 
> Carmen, 
> 
> You are advertising a site that leaches answers and sells the answers? 
> Sites that you refer stemmed out of this site. It is such a pathetic site 

> that they even copy the name of the site. 
> 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url? 
> 
u=http-3A__www.mvsforums.com_helpboards_viewtopic.php-3Ft-3D584-26highlight-3Dmcmillan=DwICaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-
 

> siA1ZOg=IAduPlMgORoDwSg-QJfFI61PqQWHjCo5brtkXopHqZk=w- 
> qy_fFR4yfEEGwP6Rz-AQF1VW9ngzB2RBmXdwQdVWI=dcj- 
> i31Yp0OprusanJX_qSPXdRGctSBIvPewKloImUo= 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url? 
> 
u=http-3A__www.mvsforums.com_helpboards_viewtopic.php-3Ft-3D821-26highlight-3Dmcmillan=DwICaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-
 

> siA1ZOg=IAduPlMgORoDwSg-QJfFI61PqQWHjCo5brtkXopHqZk=w- 
> qy_fFR4yfEEGwP6Rz- 
> AQF1VW9ngzB2RBmXdwQdVWI=jXNPS61RtEzoHJ3Bt0OYEjyFfXTyYw8QNgPlcZ1uEcM= 

> 
> Thanks, 
> Kolusu 
> 
> 
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Re: New Mainframe Community

[Sri h Kolusu]

>>> sell answers? first I heard, pathetic ?

They DO sell the answers. go check on the parent site. I consider any one
selling the knowledge of other is pathetic.

> seems someone is confused  the site I was referring to is

I am crystal clear on the sites you refer.  No confusion involved. The site
your refer is also being run by the same folks that I mentioned earlier.


Thanks,
Kolusu

IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on
06/15/2020 10:28:44 AM:

> From: Carmen Vitullo 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date: 06/15/2020 10:28 AM
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: New Mainframe Community
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
>  answers? I am ?
>
> sell answers? first I heard, pathetic ? wow - some forum members are
> admins or have helped beginners on that site, some novice users get
> good advice and help
> seems someone is confused
> the site I was referring to is
> ibmmainframeforum.com/index.php
>
>
>
>
> Carmen Vitullo
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Sri h Kolusu" 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community
>
> Carmen,
>
> You are advertising a site that leaches answers and sells the answers?
> Sites that you refer stemmed out of this site. It is such a pathetic site

> that they even copy the name of the site.
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?
>
u=http-3A__www.mvsforums.com_helpboards_viewtopic.php-3Ft-3D584-26highlight-3Dmcmillan=DwICaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-

> siA1ZOg=IAduPlMgORoDwSg-QJfFI61PqQWHjCo5brtkXopHqZk=w-
> qy_fFR4yfEEGwP6Rz-AQF1VW9ngzB2RBmXdwQdVWI=dcj-
> i31Yp0OprusanJX_qSPXdRGctSBIvPewKloImUo=
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?
>
u=http-3A__www.mvsforums.com_helpboards_viewtopic.php-3Ft-3D821-26highlight-3Dmcmillan=DwICaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-

> siA1ZOg=IAduPlMgORoDwSg-QJfFI61PqQWHjCo5brtkXopHqZk=w-
> qy_fFR4yfEEGwP6Rz-
> AQF1VW9ngzB2RBmXdwQdVWI=jXNPS61RtEzoHJ3Bt0OYEjyFfXTyYw8QNgPlcZ1uEcM=

>
> Thanks,
> Kolusu
>
>
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Re: CBTTAPE

[Binyamin Dissen]

As there are now native zOS TSO/REXX routines to do the same, why bother with
the CBT program?

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:14:33 + Allan Staller 
wrote:

:>I am looking for the source to a program link-edited as "OSCMD". From a 
browse of the load module, I see by a load module browse: "ISSUE OS/VS CONSOLE 
COMMAND WRITTEN BY J. WONG09.57_11/05/86"
:>I have found a couple of similar programs, usually called “command” on the 
overflow tape (and I am checking the cbttape)
:>
:>Since this machine is in Canada, I suspect it was obtained from either Royal 
Bank of Canada or one of the Canadian life insurance companies.
:>
:>Can anyone point me to the file containing the source for "OSCMD"?
:>
:>TIA
:>
:>
:>-Original Message-
:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
:>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:50 AM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution
:>
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:>
:>I forgot that plus the correct job class for that node if applicable
:>
:>
:>Carmen Vitullo
:>
:>- Original Message -
:>
:>From: "David Jousma" <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:36:21 AM
:>Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution
:>
:>Need both
:>
:>/*ROUTE XEQ njenodename
:>/*JOBPARM S=executionsystem
:>
:>_
:>Dave Jousma
:>AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering
:>
:>Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 
49546
:>616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717
:>
:>
:>-Original Message-
:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
:>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:29 AM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Subject: JES2 remote execution
:>
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:>
:>Is anyone aware of the syntax to force execution on a particular LPAR in a 
remote JES2 MAS.
:>
:>The NJE links are established and running.
:>
:>I tried /*ROUTE XEQ node.lpar but this executed on an incorrect JES2 instance.
:>
:>Thanks in advance,
:>
:>-Original Message-
:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
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:>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:24 AM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community
:>
:>[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
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:>
:>I thought the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the 
vine.
:>
:>Charles
:>
:>
:>-Original Message-
:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
Behalf Of Phil Smith III
:>Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:59 PM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
:>Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community
:>
:>Lionel B Dyck wrote:
:>
:>>Check this out - looks new but promising
:>
:>>https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprote
:>>ct2.fireeye.com%2Furl%3Fk%3D8c201f8f-d07ceb80-8c203517-0cc47a333da
:>>ta=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C50ee0b3ab9f240848af708d81143d80d
:>>%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C637278330385739308sd
:>>ata=%2F%2F8K8YPiUUAkXWFFeV021D3mTIGoXCSRmclG%2B%2Fw57xw%3Dreserved
:>>=0 
:>>47c-84810d2858688e0d=https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?
:>>url=https%3A%2F%2Fmainframe.community%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Callan.stall
:>>er%40HCL.COM%7Cc23b84a3dff4407e8c5508d81137da8d%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686
:>>f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C63727827889584sdata=2RSMPfZF1GMf9wciljqv
:>>34XfXbwA08fM7c6JnjVR1us%3Dreserved=0
:>
:>
:>
:>Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the 
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but moving it from this list 
has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE forums, and a few more I can't 
remember.
:>
:>
:>
:>While it might in principle be better than this list, it seems a stretch to 
expect it to take over. And fragmentation is almost certainly not a good thing.
:>
:>
:>
:>...phsiii
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Re: New Mainframe Community

[Carmen Vitullo]

 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:11:28 AM 
Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community 

Carmen, 

You are advertising a site that leaches answers and sells the answers? 
Sites that you refer stemmed out of this site. It is such a pathetic site 
that they even copy the name of the site. 

http://www.mvsforums.com/helpboards/viewtopic.php?t=584=mcmillan 
http://www.mvsforums.com/helpboards/viewtopic.php?t=821=mcmillan 

Thanks, 
Kolusu 


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Re: WP vs MS [was:: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )]

[Seymour J Metz]

I started using LyX and decided that it was easier to just write my own LaTeX 
markup. I know longer recall what the issues are, but I use, e.g.,embedded 
images (http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3/humor/RFC1149.html),  some less common 
packages ( http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3/humor/DOX.pdf) and packages 
specifically for  Mathematics, e.g., drawing commutative diagrams..

Latex is awkward, and I'd much rather have BookMaster and BookManager BUILD 
(MVS) for things like letters and documentation, but LaTeX is still in the 
"cold dead hands" category for either Mathematics or tee-shirt design.


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Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 7:11 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: WP vs MS [was:: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )]

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:44 PM Farley, Peter x23353 <
peter.far...@broadridge.com> wrote:

> And WP still exists and is still thriving, AFAICT.  I run WP X8 on my home
> machines, and version X9 is out since last year.  I just haven't upgraded
> yet.
>
> Use WP reveal codes on any reasonably complex MS document to see just what
> kind of cr*p is generated.  It takes a long time to clean up the mess.
>
> My wife won't use anything but WP on her machine, and I don't blame her.
>
> AFAIK, MS still can't do lawyerly "Tables of Authority" at all.  WP has
> done it forever, and as a result pretty much dominates the professional
> lawyer niche.  Plus they have a huge medical office professional following
> for other features unique to that environment.
>
> And don't even try to do printed labels with MS.  WP has done it right and
> easy forever.
>
> Peter
>

Being a weirdo, I prefer a "document processor" to a "word processor" for
anything that is more complicated than a simple letter or memo, such as
documentation. In particular, I like LaTeX.
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1dDa33vqPqkN21SeodHXen8YvN10H5oTA5a--DD0EFVbzxjiZfvCpPP99eYEyj5nwebhZtpQpdlMa7JpQZZPQ-iDCXz_Gh5SOz7BwFwARlHzBogTERU0kSw6GUdK2ERX5DwiE1tI3EX8ECkMIN3m5mQzaoMQgZ0TaVxRYX2ZrsNSpgMRr3xqPyL0-x40FDXwu48-gMrcZ3xSC9beV-f6N6m8py0q1ELPqQ2kTgFBAdWWimulfpImagAb-TopunclgKPmnhh-i3qvhiu6cXferKT18gBsgg9B0m_zj3A6DqqbZKQICUkakG5IRthZi2TjtlbBH_ZcTT-IIiXYjf1CjIZsyn8pxrHysk_mKnCTpegtpR_UYSXn_8-Uxg6rCi7htMtG37Dm-SIPNuNDNDaBECe7eZT5D0QwvSGxvq4C9mYfUhqM2iIVGl4JYiUpzOMBr/https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLaTeX
 Actually, TeX is a typesetting system.
And it is a markup language (like HTML & CSS).
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1e9l6DUBYXeolRVKZUFkzzM73CB_6yiZ3McNsmtJCcTSJrLYv6QDjDxBH8GMu79vFGWMlrO-P8fOKmSogsSUK0FZB6RXey0jk-_7jHBD6q13pkCgB1-ajfj7-txOEIoiX5LpKcFWr0HPq06avFveqNYnPStvkXz1GnEu1xn0iBE3DJP6IazX6e_dY_D38lpdBG2AKkY532eVsQgSwHM-EX2oX6z_bDzOeS4wvCxCXkRVTOcYrEkUH4X-VB481WMC-RCIaTZxL-5dz2jbwp0U1LJK5YpNOF5kXBD3iy4XAoWNUV5F7U-TbwuwSs4_tK3Q-xchUcHXJ4V2zo5rZS4IZhNlQdc_GPWd_0mmoItmDTJeonnf2E_hs8oEfXvl8cSgC8Et4DzoWaMJsPMcaf59mz00ELujcy4fteFZqG9ENA5D5kh9nb9If2oAod-Z2g26o/https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTeX
  . I also like LyX which generates LaTeX
as its output. 
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1fjEbeAFoNONUBy8kh8IgqyD0wIIPhy5PKMaz9d3AjYtlXMQp-V0w-4lRph4Jrk8VGEbjzJrcu_AUWRjRYhfDmC1YMN6F7KeSDvFczk8dYaEmA6OKcePkJcgxAjUkdTy86TwPPIwyCzsbkbFK8nWhFkGDpRdp3YGI-L5DpAadxOmKFDgeXnQY04qMyKEKJSHUCaVLGitZHq3N2s_5zRdMUJOOYvNfNi-EVYmA8pCSjcOeYZi9-tQVLqsbj5yQn1Gb_w48GmUcQX1v8UX_QRmpNkd79_yK6t384MSdwyKMUQMv4ZB5hi0ygZRWS83DRjGOIUmgJcsOob26sEQVd0X0AhsZTtNfSdEhHfUkl8Kkoa0lg30eTrFwfnq2RFxoNkHK7Y2HQtBPelromY9rlIVPQiQj7YRg8wbgmmNYW3OOQfe0ovGW8CeXtNEu11H6CGaH/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lyx.org%2F


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CBTTAPE

[Allan Staller]

I am looking for the source to a program link-edited as "OSCMD". From a browse 
of the load module, I see by a load module browse: "ISSUE OS/VS CONSOLE COMMAND 
WRITTEN BY J. WONG09.57_11/05/86"
I have found a couple of similar programs, usually called “command” on the 
overflow tape (and I am checking the cbttape)

Since this machine is in Canada, I suspect it was obtained from either Royal 
Bank of Canada or one of the Canadian life insurance companies.

Can anyone point me to the file containing the source for "OSCMD"?

TIA


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution

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I forgot that plus the correct job class for that node if applicable


Carmen Vitullo

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From: "David Jousma" <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:36:21 AM
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution

Need both

/*ROUTE XEQ njenodename
/*JOBPARM S=executionsystem

_
Dave Jousma
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering

Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546
616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717


-Original Message-
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Allan Staller
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:29 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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emails**

Is anyone aware of the syntax to force execution on a particular LPAR in a 
remote JES2 MAS.

The NJE links are established and running.

I tried /*ROUTE XEQ node.lpar but this executed on an incorrect JES2 instance.

Thanks in advance,

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Charles Mills
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:24 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

I thought the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the 
vine.

Charles


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Phil Smith III
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:59 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community

Lionel B Dyck wrote:

>Check this out - looks new but promising

>https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprote
>ct2.fireeye.com%2Furl%3Fk%3D8c201f8f-d07ceb80-8c203517-0cc47a333da
>ta=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C50ee0b3ab9f240848af708d81143d80d
>%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C637278330385739308sd
>ata=%2F%2F8K8YPiUUAkXWFFeV021D3mTIGoXCSRmclG%2B%2Fw57xw%3Dreserved
>=0 
>47c-84810d2858688e0d=https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?
>url=https%3A%2F%2Fmainframe.community%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Callan.stall
>er%40HCL.COM%7Cc23b84a3dff4407e8c5508d81137da8d%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686
>f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C63727827889584sdata=2RSMPfZF1GMf9wciljqv
>34XfXbwA08fM7c6JnjVR1us%3Dreserved=0



Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the 
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but moving it from this list 
has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE forums, and a few more I can't 
remember.



While it might in principle be better than this list, it seems a stretch to 
expect it to take over. And fragmentation is almost certainly not a good thing.



...phsiii


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Re: HOW DO I VERIFY A USERID'S ACCESS TO A DATASET

[Seymour J Metz]

Doesn't IBM itself do such checks in order to determine which path to take in 
some routines?


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Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 8:21 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: HOW DO I VERIFY A USERID'S ACCESS TO A DATASET


A security jock should treat an access query with a negative reply as a
violation as serious as attempting the access and failing.


All should agree. That's one of the reason that customers can request
logging of such requests.

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Re: New Mainframe Community

[Tom Brennan]

That does seem a little unusual.  It makes me wonder if Google can get 
to the notes for outside indexing.  Tested: Apparently not.  A google 
search for the URL comes up with only a few hits, and all bring me to 
the logon page when I click on them.


On 6/15/2020 8:25 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote:

I need an account, I cannot view the community first?
Other than this forum I like IBM MAINFRAME forum, I can help others and still 
ask basic questions here without getting flamed :)


IBM MAINFRAME FORUM • For Mainframe Beginners and Students





Carmen Vitullo

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From: "Lionel B Dyck" 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 4:17:52 PM
Subject: New Mainframe Community

Check this out - looks new but promising



https://mainframe.community/





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Re: How is Passive FTP with TLS and NAT supposed to work?

[Kirk Wolf]

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 3:56 PM Paul Gilmartin <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 20:46:49 +, Jackson, Rob wrote:
>
> >Before I found out about Co:Z I used shell scripts and REXX in OMVS to
> copy the files back and forth from MVS datasets to OMVS file systems (if
> sending to the mainframe, they would follow up the copy with a SSH and
> execute a script with a table of DSNs with DCBs to copy to a MVS dataset .
> . . or supply their own DCB and dataset name).  It was very cumbersome
> indeed.  Co:Z makes all that go away; it's simple to install, implement,
> and use.  Highly recommended.
> >
> How does it handle a program object library in a PDSE?  Or should
> I presume FSVO "makes all that go away"?
>
> Release 6.0.0 of Co:Z SFTP supports sending PDS and PDSE libraries

Kirk Wolf
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Re: New Mainframe Community

[Sri h Kolusu]

Carmen,

You are advertising a site that leaches answers and sells the answers?
Sites that you refer stemmed out of this site.  It is such a pathetic site
that they even copy the name of the site.

http://www.mvsforums.com/helpboards/viewtopic.php?t=584=mcmillan
http://www.mvsforums.com/helpboards/viewtopic.php?t=821=mcmillan

Thanks,
Kolusu


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Re: JES2 remote execution

[Carmen Vitullo]

I forgot that plus the correct job class for that node if applicable 


Carmen Vitullo 

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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:36:21 AM 
Subject: Re: JES2 remote execution 

Need both 

/*ROUTE XEQ njenodename 
/*JOBPARM S=executionsystem 

_
 
Dave Jousma 
AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering 

Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 
616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 


-Original Message- 
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:29 AM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: JES2 remote execution 

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emails** 

Is anyone aware of the syntax to force execution on a particular LPAR in a 
remote JES2 MAS. 

The NJE links are established and running. 

I tried /*ROUTE XEQ node.lpar but this executed on an incorrect JES2 instance. 

Thanks in advance, 

-Original Message- 
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Charles Mills 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:24 AM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community 

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] 

I thought the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the 
vine. 

Charles 


-Original Message- 
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Phil Smith III 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:59 PM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community 

Lionel B Dyck wrote: 

>Check this out - looks new but promising 

>https://protect2.fireeye.com/url?k=8c201f8f-d07ceb80-8c203517-0cc47a333 
>47c-84810d2858688e0d=https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? 
>url=https%3A%2F%2Fmainframe.community%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Callan.stall 
>er%40HCL.COM%7Cc23b84a3dff4407e8c5508d81137da8d%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686 
>f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C63727827889584sdata=2RSMPfZF1GMf9wciljqv 
>34XfXbwA08fM7c6JnjVR1us%3Dreserved=0 



Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the 
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but moving it from this list 
has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE forums, and a few more I can't 
remember. 



While it might in principle be better than this list, it seems a stretch to 
expect it to take over. And fragmentation is almost certainly not a good thing. 



...phsiii 


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Re: JES2 remote execution

[Carmen Vitullo]

Allan, this is an NJE node, not part of the MAS you are submitting from ? 
if the job submits, and transfers over an NJE line then maybe the definition is 
incorrect sending the job to an incorrect node, I'd be checking the remote node 
definitions (JES2) 


Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message -

From: "Allan Staller"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:28:30 AM 
Subject: JES2 remote execution 

Is anyone aware of the syntax to force execution on a particular LPAR in a 
remote JES2 MAS. 

The NJE links are established and running. 

I tried /*ROUTE XEQ node.lpar but this executed on an incorrect JES2 instance. 

Thanks in advance, 

-Original Message- 
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Charles Mills 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:24 AM 
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Charles 


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Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:59 PM 
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Lionel B Dyck wrote: 

>Check this out - looks new but promising 

>https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmainframe.community%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7Cc23b84a3dff4407e8c5508d81137da8d%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C63727827889584sdata=2RSMPfZF1GMf9wciljqv34XfXbwA08fM7c6JnjVR1us%3Dreserved=0
> 



Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the 
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but 
moving it from this list has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE 
forums, and a few more I can't remember. 



While it might in principle be better than this list, it seems a stretch to 
expect it to take over. And fragmentation is almost 
certainly not a good thing. 



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Re: HOW DO I VERIFY A USERID'S ACCESS TO A DATASET

[Sam Golob]

Hi Folks,

   Just wanted to say that I've posted David Spiegel's Assembler 
program and REXX to File 836 on the Updates page, as 3 members:  
RACROUTE (assembler program), RACRAUTH (rexx), and RACROUT$ (assembly 
JCL).  I would recommend renaming the RACRAUTH rexx to something like 
DSAUTH, but for the purpose of posting on that file, I had to keep the 
member names related to each other.  I also changed the load module name 
to RACROUT, so as not to confuse with the macro.


Examples:   From userid USER42:

dsauth 'USER43.ISPF.ISPPROF'

REASON CODE IN DECIMAL IS 0
00 THE USER HAS NO ACCESS.
04 THE USER HAS READ AUTHORITY.
08 THE USER HAS UPDATE AUTHORITY.
12 THE USER HAS CONTROL AUTHORITY.
16 THE USER HAS ALTER AUTHORITY

The UACC of profile USER43.* is NONE.

Another example:

dsauth sys1.linklib

REASON CODE IN DECIMAL IS 16
00 THE USER HAS NO ACCESS.
04 THE USER HAS READ AUTHORITY.
08 THE USER HAS UPDATE AUTHORITY.
12 THE USER HAS CONTROL AUTHORITY.
16 THE USER HAS ALTER AUTHORITY

This userid has ALTER access to SYS1.LINKLIB.  I don't know if that's 
safe, but that's the fact, and it's nice to know it.


In any case, you get the idea.

   All the best of everything to all of you.   Stay safe.

Sincerely, Sam


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Re: JES2 remote execution

[Jousma, David]

Need both

/*ROUTE XEQ njenodename 
/*JOBPARM S=executionsystem

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Is anyone aware of the syntax to force execution on a particular LPAR in a 
remote JES2 MAS.

The NJE links are established and running.

I tried /*ROUTE XEQ node.lpar but this executed on an incorrect JES2 instance.

Thanks in advance,

-Original Message-
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I thought the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the 
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Charles


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Of Phil Smith III
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:59 PM
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Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community

Lionel B Dyck wrote:

>Check this out - looks new but promising

>https://protect2.fireeye.com/url?k=8c201f8f-d07ceb80-8c203517-0cc47a333
>47c-84810d2858688e0d=https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?
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>f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C63727827889584sdata=2RSMPfZF1GMf9wciljqv
>34XfXbwA08fM7c6JnjVR1us%3Dreserved=0



Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the 
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but moving it from this list 
has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE forums, and a few more I can't 
remember.



While it might in principle be better than this list, it seems a stretch to 
expect it to take over. And fragmentation is almost certainly not a good thing.



...phsiii


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Re: JES2 remote execution

[Mark Jacobs]

Looks like this is your answer.

JES2 normally processes /*JOBPARM statements at the node of execution.

When you place a /*JOBPARM statement before a /*ROUTE XEQ or /*XEQ statement, 
JES2 at the input node checks the /*JOBPARM statement for syntax and parameter 
validity. After processing the /*ROUTE XEQ or /*XEQ statement, JES2 then passes 
the /*JOBPARM statement to the execution node, where syntax and parameter 
validity are again checked.

When you place a /*JOBPARM statement after a /*ROUTE XEQ or /*XEQ statement, 
JES2 passes the /*JOBPARM to the execution node and performs all syntax and 
parameter validity processing at the execution node only.

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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Monday, June 15, 2020 11:28 AM, Allan Staller  wrote:

> Is anyone aware of the syntax to force execution on a particular LPAR in a 
> remote JES2 MAS.
>
> The NJE links are established and running.
>
> I tried /*ROUTE XEQ node.lpar but this executed on an incorrect JES2 instance.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of 
> Charles Mills
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:24 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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>
> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
> sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
> which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]
>
> I thought the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the
> vine.
>
> Charles
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Phil Smith III
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community
>
> Lionel B Dyck wrote:
>
> > Check this out - looks new but promising
>
> > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmainframe.community%2F=02|01|allan.staller%40HCL.COM|c23b84a3dff4407e8c5508d81137da8d|189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912|0|0|63727827889584=2RSMPfZF1GMf9wciljqv34XfXbwA08fM7c6JnjVR1us%3D=0
>
> Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the
> vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but
> moving it from this list has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE
> forums, and a few more I can't remember.
>
> While it might in principle be better than this list, it seems a stretch to
> expect it to take over. And fragmentation is almost
> certainly not a good thing.
>
> ...phsiii
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JES2 remote execution

[Allan Staller]

Is anyone aware of the syntax to force execution on a particular LPAR in a 
remote JES2 MAS.

The NJE links are established and running.

I tried /*ROUTE XEQ node.lpar but this executed on an incorrect JES2 instance.

Thanks in advance,

-Original Message-
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I thought the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the
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Charles


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Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:59 PM
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Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community

Lionel B Dyck wrote:

>Check this out - looks new but promising

>https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmainframe.community%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7Cc23b84a3dff4407e8c5508d81137da8d%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C63727827889584sdata=2RSMPfZF1GMf9wciljqv34XfXbwA08fM7c6JnjVR1us%3Dreserved=0



Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but
moving it from this list has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE
forums, and a few more I can't remember.



While it might in principle be better than this list, it seems a stretch to
expect it to take over. And fragmentation is almost
certainly not a good thing.



...phsiii


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Re: New Mainframe Community

[Carmen Vitullo]

I need an account, I cannot view the community first? 
Other than this forum I like IBM MAINFRAME forum, I can help others and still 
ask basic questions here without getting flamed :) 


IBM MAINFRAME FORUM • For Mainframe Beginners and Students 





Carmen Vitullo 

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From: "Lionel B Dyck"  
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Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 4:17:52 PM 
Subject: New Mainframe Community 

Check this out - looks new but promising 



https://mainframe.community/ 





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Re: More than one HMCS Console per LPAR

[Tom Conley]

On 6/15/2020 9:15 AM, Gadi Ben-Avi wrote:

Hi,
Is it possible to define more than one HMCS console for an LPAR?

We are currently in the early stages of z/OS v2.4 installation.
Since were working from home, it would help if we could have more than one HMCS 
consoles.

We are using a z13s.

Thanks

Gadi



Still only one last time I checked.

Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: New Mainframe Community

[ITschak Mugzach]

If this list is not "broken", why look for alternatives?
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On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 5:24 PM Charles Mills  wrote:

> I thought the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on
> the
> vine.
>
> Charles
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Phil Smith III
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community
>
> Lionel B Dyck wrote:
>
> >Check this out - looks new but promising
>
> >https://mainframe.community/
>
>
>
> Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the
> vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but
> moving it from this list has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE
> forums, and a few more I can't remember.
>
>
>
> While it might in principle be better than this list, it seems a stretch to
> expect it to take over. And fragmentation is almost
> certainly not a good thing.
>
>
>
> ...phsiii
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Re: New Mainframe Community

[Gord Tomlin]

On 2020-06-15 00:49, David Crayford wrote:
Wow, "corporate-required Internet Explorer"! Your company needs to 
review some of it's standards!!


We still encounter this now and then in our customer base.

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Re: New Mainframe Community

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And I don't like the fact that I have to subscribe and give (no idea how much 
of) my personal info first, before they even give the slightest information 
about themselves.

Kees.

-Original Message-
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I thought the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the
vine.

Charles


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Lionel B Dyck wrote:

>Check this out - looks new but promising

>https://mainframe.community/

 

Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but
moving it from this list has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE
forums, and a few more I can't remember.

 

While it might in principle be better than this list, it seems a stretch to
expect it to take over. And fragmentation is almost
certainly not a good thing.

 

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I thought the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the
vine.

Charles


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Lionel B Dyck wrote:

>Check this out - looks new but promising

>https://mainframe.community/

 

Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but
moving it from this list has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone, SHARE
forums, and a few more I can't remember.

 

While it might in principle be better than this list, it seems a stretch to
expect it to take over. And fragmentation is almost
certainly not a good thing.

 

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Re: missing FMIDs

[Lizette Koehler]

Bill -

I think you get the FMIDs when you install the base product either via server 
Pac or CBPDO

You need to look at your CSI to see what FMIDs are associated with your GLOBAL 
zone

This is something you need to research. 

For example, if you order DB2 R12 via CBPDO or ServerPac - then the FMIDs 
associated with how you ordered the product would be available.

Since we do not know how the CSI was set up or configured.  Or how the order 
for the product was placed in Shop zSeries (I am guessing this is what you 
used), it is difficult to know what is in your zone

Run this SMP/e Report

>From your global zone

SET BDY(GLOBAL).
LIST PRODUCT .

This will help you understand what is in your Global zone.

One thing I like to do is create FMIDSETS.  That way I can see the FMIDs.  I am 
not sure if there is an easy way to list all FMIDs in the SMP/e environment.

Lizette


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Subject: missing FMIDs

So I had a CSI setup and provided for by someone else. As I am going thru it it 
seems there are FMIDs for a couple of products missing:
DB2 BASE Z/OS
HDREC10 DB2 RACF EXIT Z/OS
HIYCC10 DB2 IMS ATTACH Z/OS
HIZCC10 DB2 SUBSYS INIT Z/OS
JDBCC1Z DB2 12 VUE
JDBCC12 DB2 JDBC/SQLJ Z/OS

Db2 QMF for z/OS V12
HHPCC10 QMF HPO
JYQCC10 QMF ANALYTICS TSO

If I order maintenance supplying an "installed Software Report" will the 
missing FMIDs be ordered?
thanks
Bill

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Re: More than one HMCS Console per LPAR

[Edgington, Jerry]

I think it would be easier to use the ICC for z/OS consoles, depending upon how 
they are defined to the ICC and z/OS.  Also, it would be more secure, if you 
require the user to logon to the console.

Jerry 

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Hi,
Is it possible to define more than one HMCS console for an LPAR?

We are currently in the early stages of z/OS v2.4 installation.
Since were working from home, it would help if we could have more than one HMCS 
consoles.

We are using a z13s.

Thanks

Gadi


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More than one HMCS Console per LPAR

[Gadi Ben-Avi]

Hi,
Is it possible to define more than one HMCS console for an LPAR?

We are currently in the early stages of z/OS v2.4 installation.
Since were working from home, it would help if we could have more than one HMCS 
consoles.

We are using a z13s.

Thanks

Gadi


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Re: missing FMIDs

[Kurt Quackenbush]

On 6/12/2020 11:13 AM, Bill Giannelli wrote:

So I had a CSI setup and provided for by someone else. As I am going thru it it 
seems there are FMIDs for a couple of products missing:
DB2 BASE Z/OS
HDREC10 DB2 RACF EXIT Z/OS
HIYCC10 DB2 IMS ATTACH Z/OS
HIZCC10 DB2 SUBSYS INIT Z/OS
JDBCC1Z DB2 12 VUE
JDBCC12 DB2 JDBC/SQLJ Z/OS

Db2 QMF for z/OS V12
HHPCC10 QMF HPO
JYQCC10 QMF ANALYTICS TSO

If I order maintenance supplying an "installed Software Report" will the 
missing FMIDs be ordered?
What do you mean they are "missing"?  You can't find these FMIDs 
installed in any SMPCSI at all?  Then start looking for other global 
zone SMPCSI data sets.  Look for every data set with a .CSI 
low-level-qualifier data set name.  If you can avoid it you really want 
to avoid ordering and obtaining these FMIDs again, for the reasons 
already mentioned by others.


Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development
Chuck Norris never uses CHECK when he applies PTFs.

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Re: HOW DO I VERIFY A USERID'S ACCESS TO A DATASET

[Peter Relson]

A security jock should treat an access query with a negative reply as a
violation as serious as attempting the access and failing.


All should agree. That's one of the reason that customers can request 
logging of such requests.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: Get userid from console modify

[Frank Allan Rasmussen]

Hi

The plan was only to get the userid and return it to the REXX. 

If the modify comes from the master console without logon then return either 
blank or a default userid.

BR
Frank Allan Rasmussen

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Re: Get userid from console modify

[Jousma, David]

How do you plan on handling commands issued from master console?   Many do not 
require operator to logon to it?

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AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering  

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Hi

I have a REXX function written in assembler from the CBT-tape (Salvador 
Carrasco's files) to get a modify or stop from the console.

Now I need to get the userid whom made the modify.

The CIB has a pointer to UTOKEN, but I understand that it is on fetch protected 
storage.

Can I get this userid in anyway or do I need to protect the 'F ,command' 
console command?

BR
Frank Allan Rasmussen
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Get userid from console modify

[Frank Allan Rasmussen]

Hi

I have a REXX function written in assembler from the CBT-tape (Salvador 
Carrasco's files) to get a modify or stop from the console.

Now I need to get the userid whom made the modify.

The CIB has a pointer to UTOKEN, but I understand that it is on fetch protected 
storage.

Can I get this userid in anyway or do I need to protect the 'F ,command' 
console command?

BR
Frank Allan Rasmussen
Senior Platform Engineer
Danske Bank

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Re: WP vs MS [was:: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )]

[John McKown]

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:44 PM Farley, Peter x23353 <
peter.far...@broadridge.com> wrote:

> And WP still exists and is still thriving, AFAICT.  I run WP X8 on my home
> machines, and version X9 is out since last year.  I just haven't upgraded
> yet.
>
> Use WP reveal codes on any reasonably complex MS document to see just what
> kind of cr*p is generated.  It takes a long time to clean up the mess.
>
> My wife won't use anything but WP on her machine, and I don't blame her.
>
> AFAIK, MS still can't do lawyerly "Tables of Authority" at all.  WP has
> done it forever, and as a result pretty much dominates the professional
> lawyer niche.  Plus they have a huge medical office professional following
> for other features unique to that environment.
>
> And don't even try to do printed labels with MS.  WP has done it right and
> easy forever.
>
> Peter
>

Being a weirdo, I prefer a "document processor" to a "word processor" for
anything that is more complicated than a simple letter or memo, such as
documentation. In particular, I like LaTeX.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX Actually, TeX is a typesetting system.
And it is a markup language (like HTML & CSS).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX  . I also like LyX which generates LaTeX
as its output. https://www.lyx.org/


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Re: WP vs MS [was:: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )]

[David Spiegel]

Hi Peter,
Printed Labels? ... I've done this at least 10 times using Avery labels 
and MS-Word. It's not that difficult.


Regards,
David

On 2020-06-15 00:43, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:

And WP still exists and is still thriving, AFAICT.  I run WP X8 on my home 
machines, and version X9 is out since last year.  I just haven't upgraded yet.

Use WP reveal codes on any reasonably complex MS document to see just what kind 
of cr*p is generated.  It takes a long time to clean up the mess.

My wife won't use anything but WP on her machine, and I don't blame her.

AFAIK, MS still can't do lawyerly "Tables of Authority" at all.  WP has done it 
forever, and as a result pretty much dominates the professional lawyer niche.  Plus they 
have a huge medical office professional following for other features unique to that 
environment.

And don't even try to do printed labels with MS.  WP has done it right and easy 
forever.

Peter

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Old WP users, among whom I count myself, mourn the loss of reveal-codes mode.  
When my company switched from WP to Word (which I still think was largely my 
fault), I judged that Word was easier to use for the easy things
- italics and bold at keystroke, for instance - but harder to control for the 
more advanced things.  I've figured out headers/footers, for example, 
footnotes, even indices and ToCs.  But I struggle with them still.  WP was 
better in that regard, in my opinion.

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