Re: Name those boxes

2020-08-17 Thread Ken Smith
The phone is a Western Electric model 500
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_500_telephone

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 12:32 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

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Re: DFSORT and SS search

2020-08-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
If they were supported then he wouldn't need the RFE.


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h Kolusu 
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> This could be done thorough an RFE to JCL and no change to SORT,
> such as (suppose this worked):
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> //  SET  X01=X'01',X05=X'05'
> //*  Then:
> //SYSINDD *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY
>   OPTION COPY
>   INCLUDE COND=(1,500,SS,EQ,'&X01.1&X05.ABCDE')
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Gil,

Hex values aren't supported for set statement.  You would get IEFC629I
INCORRECT USE OF APOSTROPHE ON THE SET STATEMENT  error.

If you want to pass hex values then you need to edit the SET statement by
turning on HEX mode and override the hex values.

 Something like this


//  EXPORT SYMLIST=*
//  SET  X01=' ',X05=' '
6644ECE44EFF77076EFF7707
110025300701ED1DB705ED5D

//*
//STEP0100 EXEC PGM=SORT
//SYSOUT   DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTIN   DD *
ABC
   1 ABCDEG
   1 BBCDE
//SORTOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY
  OPTION COPY
  INCLUDE COND=(1,80,SS,EQ,C'&X01.1&X05.ABCDE')
/*


Thanks,
Kolusu
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Re: Name those boxes

2020-08-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
There is no 2741 in the picture. The typewriter is part of the 1415.


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Best guess so far: 1415, console etc. for 1410. For extra credit, identify 
small box on desk, too (not the phone or the 2741).


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Re: Name those boxes

2020-08-17 Thread William Donzelli
I think that is the console switch unit.

And yes, very likely a 1415.

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Name those boxes

2020-08-17 Thread Phil Smith III
https://i.redd.it/kd2ebwoovbh51.jpg

 

Best guess so far: 1415, console etc. for 1410. For extra credit, identify 
small box on desk, too (not the phone or the 2741).


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Re: DFSORT and SS search

2020-08-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:34:56 -0700, Sri h Kolusu wrote:

>> This could be done thorough an RFE to JCL and no change to SORT,
>> such as (suppose this worked):
>>
>> //  SET  X01=X'01',X05=X'05'
>> //*  Then:
>> //SYSINDD *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY
>>   OPTION COPY
>>   INCLUDE COND=(1,500,SS,EQ,'&X01.1&X05.ABCDE')
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>Hex values aren't supported for set statement.  You would get IEFC629I
>INCORRECT USE OF APOSTROPHE ON THE SET STATEMENT  error.
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My key word was "RFE".  And since the construct is now prohibited,
introducing it as an enhancement would cause no breakage of
current art.

>If you want to pass hex values then you need to edit the SET statement by
>turning on HEX mode and override the hex values.
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Many programmers prefer desktop editors that have no HEX mode.  I have
often chosen to embed JCL as here-documents in shell scripts which write
to INTRDR so I can use the power of shell facilities.

As I conjectured, enhancements to SORT are granted more readily
than enhancements to JCL.  Regular expressions meet the need.

Thanks,
gil

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Re: DFSORT and SS search

2020-08-17 Thread Sri h Kolusu
> This could be done thorough an RFE to JCL and no change to SORT,
> such as (suppose this worked):
>
> //  SET  X01=X'01',X05=X'05'
> //*  Then:
> //SYSINDD *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY
>   OPTION COPY
>   INCLUDE COND=(1,500,SS,EQ,'&X01.1&X05.ABCDE')
>


Gil,

Hex values aren't supported for set statement.  You would get IEFC629I
INCORRECT USE OF APOSTROPHE ON THE SET STATEMENT  error.

If you want to pass hex values then you need to edit the SET statement by
turning on HEX mode and override the hex values.

 Something like this


//  EXPORT SYMLIST=*
//  SET  X01=' ',X05=' '
6644ECE44EFF77076EFF7707
110025300701ED1DB705ED5D

//*
//STEP0100 EXEC PGM=SORT
//SYSOUT   DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTIN   DD *
ABC
   1 ABCDEG
   1 BBCDE
//SORTOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY
  OPTION COPY
  INCLUDE COND=(1,80,SS,EQ,C'&X01.1&X05.ABCDE')
/*


Thanks,
Kolusu
DFSORT Development
IBM Corporation

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Re: DFSORT and SS search

2020-08-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 13:43:31 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
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>Not a trick question. This is more for my users who are too lazy or dumb to 
>use a mix of hex and characters... ;-)
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>>Something like this
>>//SYSINDD *
>>  OPTION COPY
>>  INCLUDE COND=(1,500,SS,EQ,X'01F105C1C2C3C4C5')
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>Many thanks. I eventualy used that X'???' format. I don't mind to do all the 
>char to hex conversion myself. There is actually a REXX function just for 
>that. Or I can just enter all fields in Char in a dataset and then use HEX 
>DATA for a copy/paste into DFSORT/ICETOOL JCL.
> 
This could be done thorough an RFE to JCL and no change to SORT,
such as (suppose this worked):

//  SET  X01=X'01',X05=X'05'
//*  Then:
//SYSINDD *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY
  OPTION COPY
  INCLUDE COND=(1,500,SS,EQ,'&X01.1&X05.ABCDE')

But an RFE to JCL seems less likely to succeed than an RFE to SORT
even though it would be far more useful.

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What is the SDATA option to include above the bar storage for a particular job?

2020-08-17 Thread Binyamin Dissen
What is the SDATA option to include above the bar storage for a particular
job?

It should be obvious, but I am missing it.

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Re: DFSORT and SS search

2020-08-17 Thread Sri h Kolusu
> That absolutely works, but it's less intuitively legible than (e.g. in
Rexx):
> say  '01'x || '1' || '05'x || 'ABCDE'
> (I've wished for similar facility in JCL.


Gil,

DFSORT V2R4 Supports Regular Expressions.  You can use the following to get
the desired results.


//SYSINDD *
  OPTION COPY
  INCLUDE COND=(1,500,SS,REH,C'(.*\X011\X05ABCDE)')
/*


>>This is more for my users who are too lazy or dumb to use a mix of hex
and characters... ;-)  I initially wondered if that is possible using mixed
formats ala REXX,

Elardus,


If you have DFSORT V2R4 then you can use Regular Expressions as shown above
with the mix of HEX and EBCDIC characters.


Thanks,
Kolusu
DFSORT Development
IBM Corporation

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Re: DFSORT and SS search

2020-08-17 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Paul Gilmartin wrote:

>Welcome back.  I've missed you since February.

Many thanks. Was busy with projects which kept me too busy and somewhat 
sidetracked ...

I also missed being on the discussion lists where I can get advice and give 
assistance where I can..


>That absolutely works, but it's less intuitively legible than (e.g. in Rexx):
>say  '01'x || '1' || '05'x || 'ABCDE'
>(I've wished for similar facility in JCL.)

I agreed. If a parameter can contains mixed format(s), it would be very 
helpful. Same as for output where I want to print out things in numeric, hex, 
char, hex, etc. all in one row from input. Something like IDCAMS PRINT ... DUMP 
where one half is hex and other half is char.


>What if there's a 30-character key containing only one nonprintable character?

Ouch ... in COBOL, you get a S0Cx abend. Hard to find that record out of a few 
millions records. Been There and Got The T-Shirt.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: DFSORT and SS search

2020-08-17 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Sri h Kolusu wrote:

>Unless this is a trick question, isn't it simple to have the entire search 
>string in HEX since all the fields are next to each other?

Not a trick question. This is more for my users who are too lazy or dumb to use 
a mix of hex and characters... ;-)

>Something like this
>//SYSINDD *
>  OPTION COPY
>  INCLUDE COND=(1,500,SS,EQ,X'01F105C1C2C3C4C5')

Many thanks. I eventualy used that X'???' format. I don't mind to do all the 
char to hex conversion myself. There is actually a REXX function just for that. 
Or I can just enter all fields in Char in a dataset and then use HEX DATA for a 
copy/paste into DFSORT/ICETOOL JCL.

I initially wondered if that is possible using mixed formats ala REXX, but then 
I remembered OPTION VLSCMP which included short records too where OPTION VLSHRT 
totally sidetracked me.

Eventually I finally got all my results.

Many thanks!

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: DFSORT and SS search

2020-08-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 08:00:39 -0700, Sri h Kolusu wrote:

>>>I want to search for four terms: X'01' and C'1' and X'05' and C'ABCDE'.
>All these 4 terms are next to each other.
>
>Elardus,
>
Welcome back.  I've missed you since February.
>
>Unless this is a trick question, isn't it simple to have the entire search
>string in HEX since all the fields are next to each other?
>
>Something like this
>
>//SYSINDD *
>  OPTION COPY
>  INCLUDE COND=(1,500,SS,EQ,X'01F105C1C2C3C4C5')
>/*
That absolutely works, but it's less intuitively legible than (e.g. in Rexx):
say  '01'x || '1' || '05'x || 'ABCDE'
(I've wished for similar facility in JCL.)

What if there's a 30-character key containing only one nonprintable character?

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But, I know, Ob: camel's nose.

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Re: z13s to z15 Mainframe

2020-08-17 Thread Ed Jaffe

On 8/17/2020 6:28 AM, Charles MacNiven wrote:

Hi,
anyone aware of a migration path from z13s to z15 (T01 or T02).


There is no MES Upgrade from z13s to z15-T02 (as there is from z13s to 
z14-ZR1).


However, there is a "Migration Offering" (MO) which effectively results 
in a trade-in of your z13s as part of the z15-T02 purchase.


I seriously doubt anyone with a z13s will upgrade to a z15-T01 unless 
they've experienced hardware resource limits on the z13s.


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Re: z13s to z15 Mainframe

2020-08-17 Thread Mitch Mccluhan
 Hello,
We have been involved in a number of these
Mitch
 
 
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Hi,
anyone aware of a migration path from z13s to z15 (T01 or T02).

Many thanks,
Charles.

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Re: Reminder: Don't "Forget" Your CFRMPOL Keywords

2020-08-17 Thread Ed Jaffe

On 8/17/2020 4:59 AM, Bill Neiman wrote:

I'm a bit confused by this.  CFRMPOL is only relevant when you IPL with a CFRM 
couple data set (CDS) that has never been used before, so there was no 
previously-activated policy.  It's normally not necessary to update the CFRMPOL 
statement when you update your CFRM policy, unless you're changing *which* 
policy you're using.  Even then, it only matters if you come up with a new CFRM 
CDS.  The CFRM CDS records which policy was last used, and that's the policy 
that will be used if you are forced to perform a sysplex-wide IPL.  There must 
be more to this story.


Take a look at software case TS004055963 and hardware PMH 59261,227,000 
(and several other related PMHs automatically opened since).


We came up with new CFRM data sets using the CFRM policy specified in 
CFRMPOL. While up, we switched CFRM policies but did not update CFRMPOL 
in COUPLExx as we should have (and as my reminder admonishes others to 
do). We then experienced a CPC failure in the early AM on 8/15 that took 
down all LPARs and internal coupling facilities. When coming up after 
the "crash," all of our structures were at the old sizes. Turned out we 
were running the policy specified in CFRMPOL and not the policy we had 
switched to prior to the crash. That's when I started this "reminder" 
thread.


I took my own advice and corrected CFRMPOL to reflect our current 
policy. Good thing I did because we had a second second crash of the 
same type at 9PM that same day. Coming back up after that crash, all 
structure size are as expected.


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Re: z13s to z15 Mainframe

2020-08-17 Thread Parwez Hamid
There isn't a 'valid' upgrade path from a z13s to z15 T01 or T02 (BTW: there 
isn't one from z15 T01 to T02 either!!). However, there may be 'other' options. 
Remember, an 'upgrade' normally means keeping the same serial number. This may 
be necessary for legal/financial reasons.

Other options (if available, migration offering i.e. z13s to z14 ZR1 to z15 
T01) may be possible. Best talk to your IBM or BP salesperson.

Regards

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Hi,
anyone aware of a migration path from z13s to z15 (T01 or T02).

Many thanks,
Charles.

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Re: DFSORT and SS search

2020-08-17 Thread Sri h Kolusu
>>I want to search for four terms: X'01' and C'1' and X'05' and C'ABCDE'.
All these 4 terms are next to each other.

Elardus,


Unless this is a trick question, isn't it simple to have the entire search
string in HEX since all the fields are next to each other?

Something like this

//SYSINDD *
  OPTION COPY
  INCLUDE COND=(1,500,SS,EQ,X'01F105C1C2C3C4C5')
/*


Thanks,
Kolusu
DFSORT Development
IBM Corporation

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Re: z13s to z15 Mainframe

2020-08-17 Thread R.S.

W dniu 17.08.2020 o 15:28, Charles MacNiven pisze:

Hi,
anyone aware of a migration path from z13s to z15 (T01 or T02).


Technically it is possible.
"Migration path" is a trick to do "upgrade" instead of "replacement". It 
has meaning from tax, legal, accounting point of view.
I saw such migration: the only element "carried forward" were empty 
"airflow" cards. And serial number.

Note: sometimes more elements are carried forward.
That cause significant change in technical process: an outage is 
required. You cannot have both machines (new and old) side by side, both 
working.
Of course, when buying z15 you can negotiate buy back of your z13s. And 
in this case you may negotiate time of coexistence both machines on the 
floor which makes the migration easier and safer.


My €0.02

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DFSORT and SS search

2020-08-17 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Good day to all DFSORT gurus,

Ok, I was not into these discussion lists for a time, was busy with 1001 other 
things..

Question: Is it possible to use SS ('Substring Search') where I search for 
variety of formats, like this one:

With input (sitting "anywhere" in a record):

3---
 1 ABCDE
0F0CCDDC
11581797

... I want to use SS to search for above input:

+1+2+3+
1,500,SS,EQ,X' 'C'1'X' 'C'ABCDE'
F6FFF6EE6CD6E707C7F7E707C7C7
1B500B22B58B7D1D3D1D7D5D3D12345D

I want to search for four terms: X'01' and C'1' and X'05' and C'ABCDE'. All 
these 4 terms are next to each other.

You Assembler gurus should immediately see that I want search 4 terms where the 
term 1 and term 3 are having the lengths of term 2 and term 4.

I have a source file where I am having different such sets of 4 terms, like 
term 2 is 3 characters long and term 4 is say 3 characters long, but I need to 
select only these records where term 2 is 1 character long and term 4 is 5 
characters long.

Is it possible with DFSORT (and ICETOOL)?

This is easy to program, but dataset is large (define "large" ;-D ) and I want 
to have one single pass with several SS statements.

Many thanks in advance.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: z13s to z15 Mainframe

2020-08-17 Thread Carmen Vitullo
We are in the process of that upgrade also, the frames are different, RACK 
mounted, and no HMC is required, HMA, is a  virtual HMC, depends on your 
requirements and current configuration, there's a lot of new functions and 
features for encryption and FICON channels. software, I'm 2.3 moving to 2.4 so 
the normal migration requirements, check FIXCAT's or for old school PSB bucket 
or both :) 
not much else I can think of off hand.

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Re: z13s to z15 Mainframe

2020-08-17 Thread Edgington, Jerry
Charles,

We have this same upgrade in the works.  But, the z13s and z15 frames are 
different sizes, so it is not possible to upgrade the z13s to z15.  It will 
have to be a replacement. 

Does that help,
Thanks,
Jerry 

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Hi,
anyone aware of a migration path from z13s to z15 (T01 or T02).

Many thanks,
Charles.

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Re: Rexx detail, or things I dont do often enough

2020-08-17 Thread Dymoke-Bradshaw, Lennie
Gil asked.
" What does that have to do with Rexx?"

The link to REXX is simply that CLIST language was around long before REXX was 
thought of.

The OP said he had a "vague memory" of doing this, so I simply wondered if he 
had remembered doing in in CLIST language rather than REXX.
My memory of CLIST language is pretty vague too. But there is also a DATA 
PROMPTENDDATA sequence which can be used.

I was not suggesting that the OP use CLIST (despite one or two advantages 
against REXX). I was merely trying to assist with the "vague memory".

Lennie

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On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 23:29:21 +, Dymoke-Bradshaw, Lennie wrote:

>There is a DATA   ENDDATA pair that can be used in TSO CLIST processing.
> 
What does that have to do with Rexx?

The CLIST Ref. says:
commands | subcommands
The data to be ignored and passed to TSO/E for execution.

I don't believe this meets the OP's need.

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z13s to z15 Mainframe

2020-08-17 Thread Charles MacNiven
Hi,
anyone aware of a migration path from z13s to z15 (T01 or T02).

Many thanks,
Charles.

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Re: Modules in JPA of a TSO Address Space

2020-08-17 Thread Peter Relson

a program to do load of some modules I would assume they remain in the 
private address space,


Are you trying to ask something subtle? In what other address space could 
they possibly be in? As with any load, it will go into the private storage 
of the issuing address space unless GLOBAL=YES is specified or the module 
is already in LPA. Or is "remain" the key to your question?
A module will remain loaded until it is deleted or the loading task 
terminates.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: Reminder: Don't "Forget" Your CFRMPOL Keywords

2020-08-17 Thread Bill Neiman
I'm a bit confused by this.  CFRMPOL is only relevant when you IPL with a CFRM 
couple data set (CDS) that has never been used before, so there was no 
previously-activated policy.  It's normally not necessary to update the CFRMPOL 
statement when you update your CFRM policy, unless you're changing *which* 
policy you're using.  Even then, it only matters if you come up with a new CFRM 
CDS.  The CFRM CDS records which policy was last used, and that's the policy 
that will be used if you are forced to perform a sysplex-wide IPL.  There must 
be more to this story.


A friendly reminder to update your COUPLExx CFRMPOL keywords _any and 
every time_ you update your sysplex CFRM policy.

If you experience a total coupling facility failure (which seems 
impossible, but yeah) then you will be effectively performing a sysplex 
"cold" start on the next IPL.

If you neglected to update CFRMPOL, then you will fall back to the wrong 
policy and that's just the beginning of your troubles...


Bill Neiman
Parallel Sysplex Development
IBM

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Re: ClefOS signing key

2020-08-17 Thread Christian Svensson
Thanks!

I don't wish to ignore the signatures :-).

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 08:14 At: Http://Doodle.Com/Poll/E5In4Utu77Dspg42 <
ne...@sinenomine.net> wrote:

> No, the ClefOS packages are signed with the key that gets installed with
> the distro: /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-ClefOS-7 which is in the
> centos-release RPM.
>
> -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
> Version: GnuPG v1
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> =R3bB
> -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
>
> You can always use the yum --nogpgcheck option to ignore signatures.
>
> Neale
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Re: (yet another) problem with zcx container

2020-08-17 Thread Sean Gleann
I hear what you say, Brian - perhaps I should be a little less trusting.
Nevertheless, the book goes on to cover installation of 'Cadvisor' and
'Prometheus', too, both of which are required for grafana to do its job.
(and I'm having similar difficulty with Cadvisor, too.)

Regards
Sean


On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 12:15, David Crayford  wrote:

> I doubt it would be in production if it wasn't ready :)
>
> On 2020-08-14 4:32 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
> > I hate to say this but I can't help myself, but what makes you think
> they actually got it to work?  :)
> >
> > But seriously, the redbooks are written sometimes before the final
> processes are set in place, so sometimes they tell you what "should be"
> instead of what "is be".
> >
> >  From what you are saying, your way should certainly work, but it's hard
> to debug without the entire process to look at and implement myself.
> >
> > Brian
> >
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