WLM query

[Sean Gleann]

Is there a way to force a maximum CPU% utilisation for a specific task?

Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but it is my understanding that WLM
only really starts 'doing it's stuff' when the system as a whole is heavily
loaded.
For example:
 - If my system is running at 80%, and a new incoming task wants 50% CPU,
then it is allowed to run, but it only gets a maximum of 20% (obviously),
and WLM starts switching task dispatch priorities around to try and
maintain the service levels defined in the policy.
 - On the other hand, if the system is only 20% busy and the 50%-usage task
comes along, then it is allowed to run and WLM just lets it happen

What I want to do is to limit specific tasks to a maximum CPU% value no
matter what the overall loading is.

Regards
Sean

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Re: WLM query

[Massimo Biancucci]

Sean,

AFAIK WLM runs and manages continuously the workload setting DP as needed
(if there's no CPU contention ... so no problems).

Its main task is to make all the AS as fast as they can.

If there's available CPU for everybody every AS will take as much as it can.

If you want a single (or group of) AS to be limited you can use a capping
based on a Resource Group (WLM menu option 3) to set a maximum of MSUs
available for that group.
You have to use a classification to assign the AS to that RG too.

Hope this helps.
Best regards.
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Il giorno lun 24 ago 2020 alle ore 10:10 Sean Gleann 
ha scritto:

> Is there a way to force a maximum CPU% utilisation for a specific task?
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but it is my understanding that WLM
> only really starts 'doing it's stuff' when the system as a whole is heavily
> loaded.
> For example:
>  - If my system is running at 80%, and a new incoming task wants 50% CPU,
> then it is allowed to run, but it only gets a maximum of 20% (obviously),
> and WLM starts switching task dispatch priorities around to try and
> maintain the service levels defined in the policy.
>  - On the other hand, if the system is only 20% busy and the 50%-usage task
> comes along, then it is allowed to run and WLM just lets it happen
>
> What I want to do is to limit specific tasks to a maximum CPU% value no
> matter what the overall loading is.
>
> Regards
> Sean
>
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Re: WLM query

[Sean Gleann]

Thank you, Massimo - that solved the problem.

'Resource Group' is something I've never used before - my WLM expertise
stopped developing about 15 years ago & ISTR the concept just didn't exist
back then.

Regards
Sean

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 09:22, Massimo Biancucci  wrote:

> Sean,
>
> AFAIK WLM runs and manages continuously the workload setting DP as needed
> (if there's no CPU contention ... so no problems).
>
> Its main task is to make all the AS as fast as they can.
>
> If there's available CPU for everybody every AS will take as much as it
> can.
>
> If you want a single (or group of) AS to be limited you can use a capping
> based on a Resource Group (WLM menu option 3) to set a maximum of MSUs
> available for that group.
> You have to use a classification to assign the AS to that RG too.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Best regards.
> Max
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> ha scritto:
>
> > Is there a way to force a maximum CPU% utilisation for a specific task?
> >
> > Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but it is my understanding that WLM
> > only really starts 'doing it's stuff' when the system as a whole is
> heavily
> > loaded.
> > For example:
> >  - If my system is running at 80%, and a new incoming task wants 50% CPU,
> > then it is allowed to run, but it only gets a maximum of 20% (obviously),
> > and WLM starts switching task dispatch priorities around to try and
> > maintain the service levels defined in the policy.
> >  - On the other hand, if the system is only 20% busy and the 50%-usage
> task
> > comes along, then it is allowed to run and WLM just lets it happen
> >
> > What I want to do is to limit specific tasks to a maximum CPU% value no
> > matter what the overall loading is.
> >
> > Regards
> > Sean
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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Tom Conley]

Harris,

that's fine if it were *my* REXX that is causing the AXRxx to get started. 
Nobody except the *IBM* Health checker is currently using System REXX in my 
installation. I have no control whatsoever over TSO=YES/NO, as I am guessing 
the TSO=YES is needed for whatever health checker wants to do. So I still 
object to AXRxx address spaces NOT showing up on a D A,L. That is making system 
shutdown unnecessarily complex and hangs up JES2 shutdown every time one of 
these things is kept around.

As for P AXR - will that take down the AXRxx's, too? This command does NOT show 
up in the 2.4 System Commands manual, much less 2.3. Since we live happily 
*without* taking down AXR, will F AXR,STOPTSO do the trick of getting rid of 
AXRxx's? *That* is documented!

Regards, Barbara



Barbara,

You go girl, my sentiments exactly.  I added this to my shutdown:

C AXR01
C AXR02
C AXR03
C AXR04
C AXR05
C AXR06
C AXR07
C AXR08
C AXR09
C AXR10

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Dana Mitchell]

Barbara, 
P AXR does appear in z/OS System Commands SA38-0666-40   and does show up in my 
recently downloaded kc4z  V2.4.  

As far as the command taking down AXRxx's,  it sounds like it will:

The STOP AXR command terminates System REXX in a graceful manner, waiting for 
active requests to
complete before terminating the address space. If active requests do not 
complete within a period of
approximately 1 minute after the command is issued, the command fails.

Dana  

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 23:25:20 -0500, Barbara Nitz  wrote:

>
>As for P AXR - will that take down the AXRxx's, too? This command does NOT 
>show up in the 2.4 System Commands manual, much less 2.3. Since we live 
>happily *without* taking down AXR, will F AXR,STOPTSO do the trick of getting 
>rid of AXRxx's? *That* is documented!
>
>Regards, Barbara
>

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Ed Jaffe]

On 8/23/2020 9:25 PM, Barbara Nitz wrote:
As for P AXR - will that take down the AXRxx's, too? This command does 
NOT show up in the 2.4 System Commands manual, much less 2.3.


P AXR shuts down all AXRnn address spaces gracefully and is fully 
documented here:


https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ieag100/paxr.htm

FORCE AXR,ARM does the same things, but in a slightly less graceful way...


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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Tom Conley]

On 8/24/2020 11:11 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:

On 8/23/2020 9:25 PM, Barbara Nitz wrote:
As for P AXR - will that take down the AXRxx's, too? This command does 
NOT show up in the 2.4 System Commands manual, much less 2.3.


P AXR shuts down all AXRnn address spaces gracefully and is fully 
documented here:


https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ieag100/paxr.htm 



FORCE AXR,ARM does the same things, but in a slightly less graceful way...




Ed,

Does it only work in V2R4?  I know in V2R3, I still have to issue C 
AXRxx from time to time to make sure all the little buggers are gone.


Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Harris Morgenstern]

As of  V2R2,  you can issue  F AXR,SR STOPTSO  to terminate all AXRxx 
address spaces;  this cmd is  useful if you're using System REXX to 
terminate 
the primary subsystem.  Any future AXREXX requests issued with TSO=YES
will be rejected. 


Harris Morgenstern
z/OS Storage Management and System REXX
Dept. OBPA
IBM Poughkeepsie
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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Ed Jaffe]

On 8/24/2020 8:27 AM, Tom Conley wrote:


Ed,

Does it only work in V2R4?  I know in V2R3, I still have to issue C 
AXRxx from time to time to make sure all the little buggers are gone.



I have been using FORCE AXR,ARM since SystemRexx first came out in z/OS 
1.9 and it has always shut down the AXRnn address spaces as expected.


I learned about P AXR from Itschak Mugzach during this discussion. He 
says it is z/OS 2.2 and higher. It's nice that it shuts things down 
cleanly and I will definitely use that if I need to take down AXR 
between IPLs.


However, after reflecting on this over the weekend, I think I will keep 
using FORCE,ARM during re-IPL shutdown because I really don't want 
someone's REXX holding up that process...



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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Pew, Curtis G]

On Aug 24, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Tom Conley  wrote:
> 
> Does it only work in V2R4?  I know in V2R3, I still have to issue C AXRxx 
> from time to time to make sure all the little buggers are gone.

We’re still at 2.3, and I tried it and it worked. I don’t apply PTFs for z/OS 
and can’t say for sure, but this may have been added with some maintenance.


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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Steve Smith]

I'm not clear on why you all would care about shutting them down for an
IPL.  IPL is 100% effective in removing unwanted processes.

sas

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 12:05:31 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:

>I'm not clear on why you all would care about shutting them down for an
>IPL.  IPL is 100% effective in removing unwanted processes.
> 
But could they shut down in an orderly fashion?

I have long wondered that the OS doesn't throw SIGTERM to all dubbed
processes for compatibility with long-running processes (perhaps daemons)
coded to UNIX conventions.

Experts tell me, however, this would cause chaos for blind-dubbed processes.

But perhaps processes started with the POSIX attribute?

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PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Bob Bridges]

This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any response 
from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me tell 
you what I've tried so far:

In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is assigned the 
string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt own", 
and start hitting  in order to find and change selected instances of 
"agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.

o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.

o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.

o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked.  
Doesn't fix the problem.

o  I reboot the PC.  No change.

o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to 
.  Nope,
   still garners no response

o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the problem 
isn't the command, it's
   that the keystroke isn't being sent.

o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that  is 
mapped to PF21.

o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with .  So in Outlook
   I mapped both  and  to the '£' character.  Both  and 
 produced '£'.  I
   conclude the keystroke is being sent.

I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 
emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any 
ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.

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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 12:57:57 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:

>This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any response 
>from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me tell 
>you what I've tried so far:
>...
>I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 
>emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any 
>ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.
> 
Can you sniff the data stream on both the PC and the z?

Is the behavior different with a different emulator or PC?

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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Itschak Mugzach]

PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line
while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"?

בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges ‏:

> This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any
> response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC,
> let me tell you what I've tried so far:
>
> In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is assigned
> the string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt
> own", and start hitting  in order to find and change selected
> instances of "agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.
>
> o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.
>
> o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.
>
> o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked.
> Doesn't fix the problem.
>
> o  I reboot the PC.  No change.
>
> o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to
> .  Nope,
>still garners no response
>
> o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the
> problem isn't the command, it's
>that the keystroke isn't being sent.
>
> o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that 
> is mapped to PF21.
>
> o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with  not .  So in Outlook
>I mapped both  and  to the '£' character.  Both  and
>  produced '£'.  I
>conclude the keystroke is being sent.
>
> I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270
> emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any
> ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.
>
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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Bob Bridges]

I have to plead, in response to both questions, not so much inability and 
ignorance.  I once saw a vendor apply a packet sniffer to a problem we had at 
another client, when we couldn't figure out why a connection wasn't being 
accepted.  He was able to show us that the client and server couldn’t find a 
common encryption scheme.  I immediately saw the value of packet sniffers, and 
the next time I had a problem on my own machine I got myself a copy of 
I-think-it-was-WireShark.  But I couldn't figure out how to make it work.  That 
was about a year ago, and it's as close as I ever got to sniffing throughput.  
Sounds like a great idea, but I don't know how.  And I'm working remote, of 
course, so I couldn't do it on the big box in any case.

I understand the other question, but my ignorance isn't much less in that area. 
 I've worked with many clients, and have long suspected that I can use any 3270 
emulation client with box once the connection is made.  But so far I haven't 
tested that notion.  And in this case the emulation client (Attachmate Extra!) 
is provided from the other end after I connect to their network, so I guess I 
wouldn't be able to in any case.

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Can you sniff the data stream on both the PC and the z?

Is the behavior different with a different emulator or PC?

--- On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 12:57:57 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:
>This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any response 
>from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me tell 
>you what I've tried so far:
>...
>I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 
>emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any 
>ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.

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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Bob Bridges]

Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to , I 
really meant to .

However it's a good question about trying it in other apps.  I went back to the 
PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm showing my age) - 
assigned HELP to  and hit .  No response.  If I hadn't 
rebooted, and if  weren't provably working in a non-mainframe app 
(ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious that the problem is at my end, 
either in my PC or the keyboard.

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PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line
while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"?

--- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges ‏ This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any
> response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC,
> let me tell you what I've tried so far:
>
> In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is assigned
> the string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt
> own", and start hitting  in order to find and change selected
> instances of "agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.
>
> o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.
>
> o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.
>
> o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked.
>Doesn't fix the problem.
>
> o  I reboot the PC.  No change.
>
> o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to
>.  Nope,  still garners no response
>
> o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the
>problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent.
>
> o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that 
>is mapped to PF21.
>
> o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not .  So in Outlook I mapped both  and  to the
>'£' character.  Both  and  produced '£'.  I conclude the
>keystroke is being sent.
>
> I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270
> emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any
> ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.

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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Steve Beaver]

Besure you are set up for 24 PF Keys

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PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line
while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"?

בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges ‏:

> This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any
> response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC,
> let me tell you what I've tried so far:
>
> In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is assigned
> the string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt
> own", and start hitting  in order to find and change selected
> instances of "agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.
>
> o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.
>
> o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.
>
> o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked.
> Doesn't fix the problem.
>
> o  I reboot the PC.  No change.
>
> o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to
> .  Nope,
>still garners no response
>
> o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the
> problem isn't the command, it's
>that the keystroke isn't being sent.
>
> o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that 
> is mapped to PF21.
>
> o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with  not .  So in Outlook
>I mapped both  and  to the '£' character.  Both  and
>  produced '£'.  I
>conclude the keystroke is being sent.
>
> I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270
> emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any
> ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.
>
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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Billy Ashton]

It really sounds like your Shift F9 key is mapped to something other 
than PF21 in the emulator. I don't remember the commands in Extra! to 
see the keyboard mapping, but I would start there. Be sure you are 
looking at Shift F9, not just base F9.

Billy


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Sent: 8/24/2020 1:29:05 PM
Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding


Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to , I 
really meant to .

However it's a good question about trying it in other apps.  I went back to the PDF menu - the 
ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm showing my age) - assigned HELP to  
and hit .  No response.  If I hadn't rebooted, and if  weren't 
provably working in a non-mainframe app (ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious that the 
problem is at my end, either in my PC or the keyboard.

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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Itschak Mugzach
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13

PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line
while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"?

--- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges ‏
 This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any
 response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC,
 let me tell you what I've tried so far:

 In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is assigned
 the string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt
 own", and start hitting  in order to find and change selected
 instances of "agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.

 o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.

 o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.

 o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked.
Doesn't fix the problem.

 o  I reboot the PC.  No change.

 o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to
.  Nope,  still garners no response

 o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the
problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent.

 o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that 
is mapped to PF21.

 o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with .  So in Outlook I mapped both  and  to the
'£' character.  Both  and  produced '£'.  I conclude the
keystroke is being sent.

 I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270
 emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any
 ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.


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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Mazer Ken G]

Bob,

Are any of the PF Keys 13-24 working?  It sounds like maybe the keyboard map in 
Attachmate isn't allowing the shift-key to work.  I always use the "IBM 
3191.ekm or "IBM 3191.xkb" keyboard maps in my InfoConnect/Attachmate session.

Ken
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Bob 
Bridges
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:29 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to , I 
really meant to .

However it's a good question about trying it in other apps.  I went back to the 
PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm showing my age) - 
assigned HELP to  and hit .  No response.  If I hadn't 
rebooted, and if  weren't provably working in a non-mainframe app 
(ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious that the problem is at my end, 
either in my PC or the keyboard.

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my country has at times been terribly wrong. But I know this about Americans: 
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die.  -Dave Barry, 2001-09-14 */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Itschak Mugzach
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13

PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line while in 
edit. What us the value of "pf21"?

--- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges ‏ This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any 
> response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or 
> my PC, let me tell you what I've tried so far:
>
> In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is 
> assigned the string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the 
> command "c all agt own", and start hitting  in order to 
> find and change selected instances of "agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.
>
> o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.
>
> o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.
>
> o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked.
>Doesn't fix the problem.
>
> o  I reboot the PC.  No change.
>
> o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to
>.  Nope,  still garners no response
>
> o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the
>problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent.
>
> o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that 
>is mapped to PF21.
>
> o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not .  So in Outlook I mapped both  and  to the
>'£' character.  Both  and  produced '£'.  I conclude the
>keystroke is being sent.
>
> I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 
> 3270 emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond 
> to it?  Any ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter 
> how unlikely.

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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Clifford McNeill]

If a VTAM session monitor is between the PC and TSO, it could have PF21 
assigned to some purpose and not passing it on.



From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Bob 
Bridges 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 12:29 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to , I 
really meant to .

However it's a good question about trying it in other apps.  I went back to the 
PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm showing my age) - 
assigned HELP to  and hit .  No response.  If I hadn't 
rebooted, and if  weren't provably working in a non-mainframe app 
(ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious that the problem is at my end, 
either in my PC or the keyboard.

---
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/* I'm not naive about my country. My country is definitely not always right; 
my country has at times been terribly wrong. But I know this about Americans: 
We don't set out to kill innocent people. We don't cheer when innocent people 
die.  -Dave Barry, 2001-09-14 */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Itschak Mugzach
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13

PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line
while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"?

--- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges ‏ This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any
> response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC,
> let me tell you what I've tried so far:
>
> In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is assigned
> the string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt
> own", and start hitting  in order to find and change selected
> instances of "agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.
>
> o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.
>
> o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.
>
> o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked.
>Doesn't fix the problem.
>
> o  I reboot the PC.  No change.
>
> o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to
>.  Nope,  still garners no response
>
> o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the
>problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent.
>
> o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that 
>is mapped to PF21.
>
> o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not .  So in Outlook I mapped both  and  to the
>'£' character.  Both  and  produced '£'.  I conclude the
>keystroke is being sent.
>
> I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270
> emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any
> ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.

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Re: Stop Tape Eject process

[Erika Dawson]

Unlike cartridge entry processing, OAM does not currently provide a way to 
disable cartridge eject processing.  However, looking at the eject exit 
(CBRUXEJC) provided by RMM, if you want to prevent cartridge ejects, it's looks 
like there may be a way in that exit to have RMM invoke another exit and that 
exit could return back with RC=8 (which RMM would then pass back to OAM).   A 
RC of 8 from the eject exit (CBRUXEJC) is an indication to OAM that the eject 
request should be failed.  

UXJFAIL  EQU   8VOLUME NOT TO BE EJECTED  
   
If you would like OAM to provide a mechanism to disable cartridge ejects 
(similar to cartridge entry), please open a requirement. 

I'm also checking with RMM development/service  to see if they have a way to 
ensure that RMM ejects are handled as NOEJECT (by default). 

Erika Dawson 
OAM Product Owner (IBM)

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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Wayne Bickerdike]

I have a Dell laptop and some keys often fail to work. It's a common
problem. In your case it could be something similar. The fault is
intermittent and I use a USBexternal keyboard to overcome the problem.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 03:38 Billy Ashton  wrote:

> It really sounds like your Shift F9 key is mapped to something other
> than PF21 in the emulator. I don't remember the commands in Extra! to
> see the keyboard mapping, but I would start there. Be sure you are
> looking at Shift F9, not just base F9.
> Billy
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Bob Bridges" 
> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
> Sent: 8/24/2020 1:29:05 PM
> Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
>
> >Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to
> , I really meant to .
> >
> >However it's a good question about trying it in other apps.  I went back
> to the PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm
> showing my age) - assigned HELP to  and hit .  No
> response.  If I hadn't rebooted, and if  weren't provably
> working in a non-mainframe app (ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious
> that the problem is at my end, either in my PC or the keyboard.
> >
> >---
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> >
> >/* I'm not naive about my country. My country is definitely not always
> right; my country has at times been terribly wrong. But I know this about
> Americans: We don't set out to kill innocent people. We don't cheer when
> innocent people die.  -Dave Barry, 2001-09-14 */
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach
> >Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13
> >
> >PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line
> >while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"?
> >
> >--- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges ‏<
> robhbrid...@gmail.com
> >>  This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any
> >>  response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or
> my PC,
> >>  let me tell you what I've tried so far:
> >>
> >>  In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is
> assigned
> >>  the string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all
> agt
> >>  own", and start hitting  in order to find and change
> selected
> >>  instances of "agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.
> >>
> >>  o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.
> >>
> >>  o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.
> >>
> >>  o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got
> locked.
> >> Doesn't fix the problem.
> >>
> >>  o  I reboot the PC.  No change.
> >>
> >>  o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP"
> to
> >> .  Nope,  still garners no response
> >>
> >>  o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the
> >> problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent.
> >>
> >>  o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that
> 
> >> is mapped to PF21.
> >>
> >>  o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with  but
> >> not .  So in Outlook I mapped both  and 
> to the
> >> '£' character.  Both  and  produced '£'.  I conclude
> the
> >> keystroke is being sent.
> >>
> >>  I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the
> 3270
> >>  emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to
> it?  Any
> >>  ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how
> unlikely.
> >
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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Tom Brennan]

I don't know if this is related, but I get emails every once in a while 
telling me a PC's higher PF keys don't do anything at all.  It seems to 
often be a Dell laptop and they need to click the  key either 
while or before clicking the PF key.  People have also told me if they 
do (I think?)  or  or similar, they get to 
a point where they can set that option on permanently to use those keys 
without the function key.


On 8/24/2020 9:57 AM, Bob Bridges wrote:

This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any response 
from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me tell you 
what I've tried so far:

In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is assigned the string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit 
and attempt the command "c all agt own", and start hitting  in order to find and change selected instances of 
"agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.

o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.

o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.

o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked.  
Doesn't fix the problem.

o  I reboot the PC.  No change.

o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to 
.  Nope,
still garners no response

o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the problem 
isn't the command, it's
that the keystroke isn't being sent.

o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that  is 
mapped to PF21.

o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with .  So in Outlook
I mapped both  and  to the '£' character.  Both  and 
 produced '£'.  I
conclude the keystroke is being sent.

I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 emulation is 
converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any ideas out there? 
 I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.

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TSO logon terminated

[Edgington, Jerry]

I am having some troubles with logging on to TSO on a newly built z/OS.  I keep 
getting this error and not sure where to look:

IKJ603I TSOLOGON TERMINATED. INSTALLATION EXIT ERROR 216

Any help would be great.  We are an ACF2 shop

Thanks,
Jerry Edgington

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Re: TSO logon terminated

[Brian France]

A google search of the string below got me to an ibm manual that shows 
this for a 216 -


216 The Pre-prompt EXIT returned a DEST userid that was not defined to 
the subsystem.


Hope this helps...

On 8/24/2020 1:58 PM, Edgington, Jerry wrote:

I am having some troubles with logging on to TSO on a newly built z/OS.  I keep 
getting this error and not sure where to look:

IKJ603I TSOLOGON TERMINATED. INSTALLATION EXIT ERROR 216

Any help would be great.  We are an ACF2 shop

Thanks,
Jerry Edgington

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Re: TSO logon terminated

[Steve Beaver]

Can you get to the syslog

Sent from my iPhone

I promise you I can’t type or
Spell on any smartphone 

> On Aug 24, 2020, at 12:58, Edgington, Jerry 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am having some troubles with logging on to TSO on a newly built z/OS.  I 
> keep getting this error and not sure where to look:
> 
> IKJ603I TSOLOGON TERMINATED. INSTALLATION EXIT ERROR 216
> 
> Any help would be great.  We are an ACF2 shop
> 
> Thanks,
> Jerry Edgington
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Re: TSO logon terminated

[Edgington, Jerry]

No, I can't logon to the system at all, because of this error. I have a 
console, but that is it.  Thanks.

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Can you get to the syslog

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Spell on any smartphone 

> On Aug 24, 2020, at 12:58, Edgington, Jerry 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am having some troubles with logging on to TSO on a newly built z/OS.  I 
> keep getting this error and not sure where to look:
> 
> IKJ603I TSOLOGON TERMINATED. INSTALLATION EXIT ERROR 216
> 
> Any help would be great.  We are an ACF2 shop
> 
> Thanks,
> Jerry Edgington
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Re: TSO logon terminated

[Carmen Vitullo]

Sounds like a possible JCL error, I've seen this on a JCL error, if you can the 
syslog or operlog that may help 
if you have access to a console, issues MN JOBNAME MN DSNAMES try again, and 
you may see job status as you logon (JESLOG) 
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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Bob Bridges]

Excellent question!  I tried  (return) and  (up max) at the main 
menu and both worked.  Tried  and  (down max) in Edit, and both 
worked.  I guess it's just .  Stranger and stranger.

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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Mazer Ken G
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:37

Are any of the PF Keys 13-24 working?  It sounds like maybe the keyboard map in 
Attachmate isn't allowing the shift-key to work.  I always use the "IBM 
3191.ekm or "IBM 3191.xkb" keyboard maps in my InfoConnect/Attachmate session.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Bob 
Bridges
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:29 PM

Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to , I 
really meant to .

However it's a good question about trying it in other apps.  I went back to the 
PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm showing my age) - 
assigned HELP to  and hit .  No response.  If I hadn't 
rebooted, and if  weren't provably working in a non-mainframe app 
(ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious that the problem is at my end, 
either in my PC or the keyboard.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Itschak Mugzach
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13

PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line while in 
edit. What us the value of "pf21"?

--- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges ‏ This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any 
> response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or 
> my PC, let me tell you what I've tried so far:
>
> In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is 
> assigned the string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the 
> command "c all agt own", and start hitting  in order to 
> find and change selected instances of "agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.
>
> o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.
>
> o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.
>
> o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked.
>Doesn't fix the problem.
>
> o  I reboot the PC.  No change.
>
> o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to
>.  Nope,  still garners no response
>
> o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the
>problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent.
>
> o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that 
>is mapped to PF21.
>
> o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not .  So in Outlook I mapped both  and  to the
>'£' character.  Both  and  produced '£'.  I conclude the
>keystroke is being sent.
>
> I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 
> 3270 emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond 
> to it?  Any ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter 
> how unlikely.

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Re: TSO logon terminated

[Carmen Vitullo]

Sorry Jerry, correct syntax is MN 

JOBNAMES[,T] [,L={a|name|name-a}]}
{DSNAME }
{SPACE  }
{STATUS }
{SESS[,T]   }

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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Bob Bridges]

Ok, but I use that rchange key pretty often, so if your theory is right it's
new.  I'm doubtful.

(On the other hand I did say I was at the end of my rope and would welcome
any theory no matter how wacky, so I'm not going to complain.)

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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Clifford McNeill
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:39

If a VTAM session monitor is between the PC and TSO, it could have PF21
assigned to some purpose and not passing it on.


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of
Bob Bridges 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 12:29 PM

Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to
, I really meant to .

However it's a good question about trying it in other apps.  I went back to
the PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm showing my
age) - assigned HELP to  and hit .  No response.  If I
hadn't rebooted, and if  weren't provably working in a
non-mainframe app (ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious that the
problem is at my end, either in my PC or the keyboard.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13

PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line
while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"?

--- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges
‏ This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any
> response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my
PC,
> let me tell you what I've tried so far:
>
> In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is assigned
> the string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt
> own", and start hitting  in order to find and change selected
> instances of "agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.
>
> o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.
>
> o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.
>
> o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked.
>Doesn't fix the problem.
>
> o  I reboot the PC.  No change.
>
> o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to
>.  Nope,  still garners no response
>
> o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the
>problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent.
>
> o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that 
>is mapped to PF21.
>
> o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not .  So in Outlook I mapped both  and  to
the
>'£' character.  Both  and  produced '£'.  I conclude the
>keystroke is being sent.
>
> I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270
> emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?
Any
> ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how
unlikely.

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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Bob Bridges]

Oh, forgot to mention:  I'm using a Lenovo laptop.  As always, I plug a 
standard keyboard into its USB port; I hate laptop keyboards.  But this morning 
I tried  on my laptop keyboard, too, just to see if it was the 
standard keyboard.  Same issue.

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Wayne Bickerdike
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:40

I have a Dell laptop and some keys often fail to work. It's a common
problem. In your case it could be something similar. The fault is
intermittent and I use a USBexternal keyboard to overcome the problem.

--- On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 03:38 Billy Ashton  wrote:
> It really sounds like your Shift F9 key is mapped to something other
> than PF21 in the emulator. I don't remember the commands in Extra! to
> see the keyboard mapping, but I would start there. Be sure you are
> looking at Shift F9, not just base F9.
> Billy
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Bob Bridges" 
> Sent: 8/24/2020 1:29:05 PM
>
> >Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to
> , I really meant to .
> >
> >However it's a good question about trying it in other apps.  I went back
> to the PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm
> showing my age) - assigned HELP to  and hit .  No
> response.  If I hadn't rebooted, and if  weren't provably
> working in a non-mainframe app (ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious
> that the problem is at my end, either in my PC or the keyboard.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Itschak Mugzach
> >Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13
> >
> >PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line
> >while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"?
> >
> >--- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges

> >>  This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any
> >>  response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or
> >>  my PC, let me tell you what I've tried so far:
> >>
> >>  In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is
> >>  assigned the string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the
> >>  command "c all agt own", and start hitting  in order to
> >>  find and change selected instances of "agt" to "own".  Nothing
> >>  happens.
> >>
> >>  o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.
> >>
> >>  o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.
> >>
> >>  o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got
> >> locked.  Doesn't fix the problem.
> >>
> >>  o  I reboot the PC.  No change.
> >>
> >>  o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP"
> >> to .  Nope,  still garners no response
> >>
> >>  o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the
> >> problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent.
> >>
> >>  o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that
> >>  is mapped to PF21.
> >>
> >>  o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with  >> but not .  So in Outlook I mapped both  and 
> >> to the '£' character.  Both  and  produced '£'.  I
> >> conclude the keystroke is being sent.
> >>
> >>  I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the
> >>  3270 emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to
> >>  it?  Any ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter
> >>  how unlikely.

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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Bob Bridges]

While replying to some of the ideas you folks sent me I thought to try another 
one:  I said  works in Outlook, but I forgot to distinguish:  It's 
working in ~my~ Outlook, on my own desktop.  So I just went to Outlook on the 
client's desktop (provided through the VPN), and there  works in Outlook 
but  doesn't.

Clearly the problem a) isn't in my imagination, b) isn't on my own hardware 
somewhere, and c) isn't in any part of the mainframe.  It's gotta be in the VPN 
or on the server side.  I'll still take ideas, but I hereby declare this OT for 
this forum.

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--- On 8/24/2020 9:57 AM, Bob Bridges wrote:
> This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any response 
> from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me 
> tell you what I've tried so far:
> 
> In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is assigned the 
> string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt own", 
> and start hitting  in order to find and change selected instances 
> of "agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.
> 
> o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.
> 
> o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.
> 
> o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked.  
> Doesn't fix the problem.
> 
> o  I reboot the PC.  No change.
> 
> o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to 
> .  Nope,
> still garners no response
> 
> o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the problem 
> isn't the command, it's
> that the keystroke isn't being sent.
> 
> o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that  is 
> mapped to PF21.
> 
> o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with  not .  So in Outlook
> I mapped both  and  to the '£' character.  Both  and 
>  produced '£'.  I
> conclude the keystroke is being sent.
> 
> I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 
> emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any 
> ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.

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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Chuck Kreiter]

Some laptops (maybe it's windows 10), allow you to remap a key from a windows 
perspective.  Perhaps your laptop/windows has SHIFT+F9 mapped to something 
completely different?  

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Of Bob Bridges
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:22 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

While replying to some of the ideas you folks sent me I thought to try another 
one:  I said  works in Outlook, but I forgot to distinguish:  It's 
working in ~my~ Outlook, on my own desktop.  So I just went to Outlook on the 
client's desktop (provided through the VPN), and there  works in Outlook 
but  doesn't.

Clearly the problem a) isn't in my imagination, b) isn't on my own hardware 
somewhere, and c) isn't in any part of the mainframe.  It's gotta be in the VPN 
or on the server side.  I'll still take ideas, but I hereby declare this OT for 
this forum.

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--- On 8/24/2020 9:57 AM, Bob Bridges wrote:
> This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any response 
> from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me 
> tell you what I've tried so far:
> 
> In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is assigned the 
> string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt own", 
> and start hitting  in order to find and change selected instances 
> of "agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.
> 
> o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.
> 
> o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.
> 
> o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked.  
> Doesn't fix the problem.
> 
> o  I reboot the PC.  No change.
> 
> o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to 
> .  Nope,
> still garners no response
> 
> o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the problem 
> isn't the command, it's
> that the keystroke isn't being sent.
> 
> o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that  is 
> mapped to PF21.
> 
> o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with  not .  So in Outlook
> I mapped both  and  to the '£' character.  Both  and 
>  produced '£'.  I
> conclude the keystroke is being sent.
> 
> I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 
> emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any 
> ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.

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Re: TSO logon terminated

[Edgington, Jerry]

To all,

The issue was the DEST field in the TSO LOGON panel wasn't defined to JES3 as a 
DEST.  I added the DEST field to JES3, and restart JES3.  It is now working. 

Thanks,
Jerry Edgington

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Can you get to the syslog

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Spell on any smartphone 

> On Aug 24, 2020, at 12:58, Edgington, Jerry 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am having some troubles with logging on to TSO on a newly built z/OS.  I 
> keep getting this error and not sure where to look:
> 
> IKJ603I TSOLOGON TERMINATED. INSTALLATION EXIT ERROR 216
> 
> Any help would be great.  We are an ACF2 shop
> 
> Thanks,
> Jerry Edgington
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Re: Stop Tape Eject process

[Erika Dawson]

In my previous response, I was looking at this more from the perspective of 
what to do going forward to prevent this from happening again (assuming all of 
the volumes have already been ejected).  Neither we or RMM have a cancel 
command that will take the eject requests off of our (OAM) queue or the 
libraries queue.  It sounds like you needed the ability for OAM to have a 
cancel-type command which we do not currently have.  If you would like that 
capability, please open a requirement for that. 

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OAM Product Owner (IBM)

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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Joe Monk]

When youre in EDIT mode, try PFSHOW on the command line. See what it says.

Joe

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 1:22 PM Bob Bridges  wrote:

> While replying to some of the ideas you folks sent me I thought to try
> another one:  I said  works in Outlook, but I forgot to
> distinguish:  It's working in ~my~ Outlook, on my own desktop.  So I just
> went to Outlook on the client's desktop (provided through the VPN), and
> there  works in Outlook but  doesn't.
>
> Clearly the problem a) isn't in my imagination, b) isn't on my own
> hardware somewhere, and c) isn't in any part of the mainframe.  It's gotta
> be in the VPN or on the server side.  I'll still take ideas, but I hereby
> declare this OT for this forum.
>
> ---
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>
> /* Q: What do you call a beautiful woman on a trombonist's arm?  A: A
> tatoo.  -from a collection of musician jokes */
>
> --- On 8/24/2020 9:57 AM, Bob Bridges wrote:
> > This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any
> response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC,
> let me tell you what I've tried so far:
> >
> > In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is assigned
> the string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt
> own", and start hitting  in order to find and change selected
> instances of "agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.
> >
> > o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.
> >
> > o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.
> >
> > o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got
> locked.  Doesn't fix the problem.
> >
> > o  I reboot the PC.  No change.
> >
> > o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP"
> to .  Nope,
> > still garners no response
> >
> > o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the
> problem isn't the command, it's
> > that the keystroke isn't being sent.
> >
> > o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that
>  is mapped to PF21.
> >
> > o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with  but not .  So in Outlook
> > I mapped both  and  to the '£' character.  Both 
> and  produced '£'.  I
> > conclude the keystroke is being sent.
> >
> > I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270
> emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any
> ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.
>
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Re: TSO logon terminated

[Carmen Vitullo]

ah! JES3 - ok :( 
thanks for the update
Carmen

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Is there a tool to monitor JES2 Input Queue wait time?

[Lizette Koehler]

Just curious

 

We had a few jobs that took up to 30 minutes before going from input queue
to actually running.

 

Does anyone know of an easy (FREE) way to monitor JES2 Input times?

 

I know sometimes it is due to resource restrictions and WLM will not allow
anything else to run.

 

But any way to see it in real time? (Assume Lights Out Environment - no
people watching)

 

 

 

Thanks 

 

Lizette

 


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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[CM Poncelet]

In the old days, PFK13 to PFK24 were the primary PFKeys (with PFK01 to
PFK12 secondary). PFK21 was orginally assigned to SWAP (toggle screens)
by default and as a primary PFK. IBM then changed all that to be
PC-compatible, making PFK01-PFK12 the new primary PFKs (possibly in
OS/390, or even earlier in late MVS/ESA). But there could be an issue
with your PC's 3270 emulator. 
 
If PFSHOW does not help, what happens if you change your PFK21 from
'RCHANGE' to 'END'? Does it then END the editing or does it do nothing?
 
BTW I had no problems remapping keyboards with TN3270-Plus and QWS3270.
 
Cheers, Chris Poncelet (retired sysprog)
 


On 24/08/2020 20:31, Joe Monk wrote:
> When youre in EDIT mode, try PFSHOW on the command line. See what it says.
>
> Joe
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 1:22 PM Bob Bridges  wrote:
>
>> While replying to some of the ideas you folks sent me I thought to try
>> another one:  I said  works in Outlook, but I forgot to
>> distinguish:  It's working in ~my~ Outlook, on my own desktop.  So I just
>> went to Outlook on the client's desktop (provided through the VPN), and
>> there  works in Outlook but  doesn't.
>>
>> Clearly the problem a) isn't in my imagination, b) isn't on my own
>> hardware somewhere, and c) isn't in any part of the mainframe.  It's gotta
>> be in the VPN or on the server side.  I'll still take ideas, but I hereby
>> declare this OT for this forum.
>>
>> ---
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>>
>> /* Q: What do you call a beautiful woman on a trombonist's arm?  A: A
>> tatoo.  -from a collection of musician jokes */
>>
>> --- On 8/24/2020 9:57 AM, Bob Bridges wrote:
>>> This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any
>> response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC,
>> let me tell you what I've tried so far:
>>> In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is assigned
>> the string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt
>> own", and start hitting  in order to find and change selected
>> instances of "agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.
>>> o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.
>>>
>>> o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.
>>>
>>> o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got
>> locked.  Doesn't fix the problem.
>>> o  I reboot the PC.  No change.
>>>
>>> o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP"
>> to .  Nope,
>>> still garners no response
>>>
>>> o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the
>> problem isn't the command, it's
>>> that the keystroke isn't being sent.
>>>
>>> o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that
>>  is mapped to PF21.
>>> o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with > but not .  So in Outlook
>>> I mapped both  and  to the '£' character.  Both 
>> and  produced '£'.  I
>>> conclude the keystroke is being sent.
>>>
>>> I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270
>> emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any
>> ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.
>>
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Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Is there a tool to monitor JES2 Input Queue wait time?

[Jerry Whitteridge]

It is one of the metrics that MXG creates - but I don't know of a free one

Jerry Whitteridge
jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com
Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop
Albertsons Companies

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Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:05 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Is there a tool to monitor JES2 Input Queue wait time?

Just curious



We had a few jobs that took up to 30 minutes before going from input queue
to actually running.



Does anyone know of an easy (FREE) way to monitor JES2 Input times?



I know sometimes it is due to resource restrictions and WLM will not allow
anything else to run.



But any way to see it in real time? (Assume Lights Out Environment - no
people watching)







Thanks



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Re: Is there a tool to monitor JES2 Input Queue wait time?

[Allan Staller]

SMF/RYO
SMF/MXG
Several others. Check the CBTTAPE.

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Just curious



We had a few jobs that took up to 30 minutes before going from input queue to 
actually running.



Does anyone know of an easy (FREE) way to monitor JES2 Input times?



I know sometimes it is due to resource restrictions and WLM will not allow 
anything else to run.



But any way to see it in real time? (Assume Lights Out Environment - no people 
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Re: Is there a tool to monitor JES2 Input Queue wait time?

[Lizette Koehler]

Would that be real time or after the fact?  The scheduler software I have can 
do after the fact.

I am looking for real time monitoring
 

Lizette


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SMF/RYO
SMF/MXG
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Just curious



We had a few jobs that took up to 30 minutes before going from input queue to 
actually running.



Does anyone know of an easy (FREE) way to monitor JES2 Input times?



I know sometimes it is due to resource restrictions and WLM will not allow 
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But any way to see it in real time? (Assume Lights Out Environment - no people 
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Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Is there a tool to monitor JES2 Input Queue wait time?

[Seymour J Metz]

If you already have SAS, the small cost of MXG is minuscule.


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It is one of the metrics that MXG creates - but I don't know of a free one

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Just curious



We had a few jobs that took up to 30 minutes before going from input queue
to actually running.



Does anyone know of an easy (FREE) way to monitor JES2 Input times?



I know sometimes it is due to resource restrictions and WLM will not allow
anything else to run.



But any way to see it in real time? (Assume Lights Out Environment - no
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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Seymour J Metz]

Is there an RFE for a TSO facility to prompt the user and display the AID of 
the user's response? That would be useful in diagnosing misconfigured TN3270 
clients and 3270 simulators.


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Brennan 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:51 PM
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Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

I don't know if this is related, but I get emails every once in a while
telling me a PC's higher PF keys don't do anything at all.  It seems to
often be a Dell laptop and they need to click the  key either
while or before clicking the PF key.  People have also told me if they
do (I think?)  or  or similar, they get to
a point where they can set that option on permanently to use those keys
without the function key.

On 8/24/2020 9:57 AM, Bob Bridges wrote:
> This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any response 
> from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me 
> tell you what I've tried so far:
>
> In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is assigned the 
> string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt own", 
> and start hitting  in order to find and change selected instances 
> of "agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.
>
> o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.
>
> o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.
>
> o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked.  
> Doesn't fix the problem.
>
> o  I reboot the PC.  No change.
>
> o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to 
> .  Nope,
> still garners no response
>
> o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the problem 
> isn't the command, it's
> that the keystroke isn't being sent.
>
> o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that  is 
> mapped to PF21.
>
> o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with  not .  So in Outlook
> I mapped both  and  to the '£' character.  Both  and 
>  produced '£'.  I
> conclude the keystroke is being sent.
>
> I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 
> emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any 
> ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.
>
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>
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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Seymour J Metz]

Is it politically correct to use a VTAM packet trace?


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Bob 
Bridges 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:21 PM
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Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

I have to plead, in response to both questions, not so much inability and 
ignorance.  I once saw a vendor apply a packet sniffer to a problem we had at 
another client, when we couldn't figure out why a connection wasn't being 
accepted.  He was able to show us that the client and server couldn’t find a 
common encryption scheme.  I immediately saw the value of packet sniffers, and 
the next time I had a problem on my own machine I got myself a copy of 
I-think-it-was-WireShark.  But I couldn't figure out how to make it work.  That 
was about a year ago, and it's as close as I ever got to sniffing throughput.  
Sounds like a great idea, but I don't know how.  And I'm working remote, of 
course, so I couldn't do it on the big box in any case.

I understand the other question, but my ignorance isn't much less in that area. 
 I've worked with many clients, and have long suspected that I can use any 3270 
emulation client with box once the connection is made.  But so far I haven't 
tested that notion.  And in this case the emulation client (Attachmate Extra!) 
is provided from the other end after I connect to their network, so I guess I 
wouldn't be able to in any case.

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:08

Can you sniff the data stream on both the PC and the z?

Is the behavior different with a different emulator or PC?

--- On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 12:57:57 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:
>This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any response 
>from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me tell 
>you what I've tried so far:
>...
>I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 
>emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any 
>ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.

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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Seymour J Metz]

The problem is not in TSO or ISPF. The problem is your keyboard mapping if your 
logging on directly to TSO. If you're logging on via, e.g., TPX, check what 
keys it's intercepting.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Bob 
Bridges 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 12:57 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: PF key - one PF key - not responding

This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any response 
from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me tell 
you what I've tried so far:

In ISPF  is assigned the string "rfind" and  is assigned the 
string "rchange".  I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt own", 
and start hitting  in order to find and change selected instances of 
"agt" to "own".  Nothing happens.

o  I test it by using .  The rfind command works fine.

o  I try using the right shift key instead of the left.  No response.

o  I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked.  
Doesn't fix the problem.

o  I reboot the PC.  No change.

o  Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to 
.  Nope,
   still garners no response

o  I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the problem 
isn't the command, it's
   that the keystroke isn't being sent.

o  I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that  is 
mapped to PF21.

o  Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with .  So in Outlook
   I mapped both  and  to the '£' character.  Both  and 
 produced '£'.  I
   conclude the keystroke is being sent.

I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 
emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any 
ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.

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Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding

[Bob Bridges]

Good point!  I came into mainframe security from the development side and
have never been a systems programmer, so terms like "VTAM" are mostly a
mystery to me.  But once I'm connected to my client's VPN, and looking at
the Win-10 desktop at end, I open the mainframe app and log on directly to
TSO, bypassing SuperSession.

Still, as you no doubt saw by the time you got through the rest of the
emails in this thread,  is getting no response not only in 3270
emulation but also in Outlook on the client's side.  So I think it's safe to
conclude the problem is happening before the keystroke gets to Attachmate
Extra!.

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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Seymour J Metz
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 18:00

The problem is not in TSO or ISPF. The problem is your keyboard mapping if
your logging on directly to TSO. If you're logging on via, e.g., TPX, check
what keys it's intercepting.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Seymour J Metz
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 17:54

Is it politically correct to use a VTAM packet trace?

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Clifford McNeill
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:39

If a VTAM session monitor is between the PC and TSO, it could have PF21
assigned to some purpose and not passing it on.


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of
Bob Bridges 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:21 PM

I have to plead, in response to both questions, not so much inability and
ignorance.  I once saw a vendor apply a packet sniffer to a problem we had
at another client, when we couldn't figure out why a connection wasn't being
accepted.  He was able to show us that the client and server couldn't find a
common encryption scheme.  I immediately saw the value of packet sniffers,
and the next time I had a problem on my own machine I got myself a copy of
I-think-it-was-WireShark.  But I couldn't figure out how to make it work.
That was about a year ago, and it's as close as I ever got to sniffing
throughput.  Sounds like a great idea, but I don't know how.  And I'm
working remote, of course, so I couldn't do it on the big box in any case.

I understand the other question, but my ignorance isn't much less in that
area.  I've worked with many clients, and have long suspected that I can use
any 3270 emulation client with box once the connection is made.  But so far
I haven't tested that notion.  And in this case the emulation client
(Attachmate Extra!) is provided from the other end after I connect to their
network, so I guess I wouldn't be able to in any case.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:08

Can you sniff the data stream on both the PC and the z?

Is the behavior different with a different emulator or PC?

--- On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 12:57:57 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:
>This is a really weird one.  My  key is not getting any response
from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me
tell you what I've tried so far:
>...
>I'm out of ideas.  If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270
emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it?  Any
ideas out there?  I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely.

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Is there an archive of the Adams reorts on computer characteristics?

[Seymour J Metz]

I'm editing the wiki article [[List of transistorized computers]] and I'm 
looking for sources for delivery dates. In particular, I have two conflicting 
dates for the first 7090 delivery 12/59 and 6/60; with luck one is correct ;-)

One good source if it's available would be the old Adams quarterly reports of 
computer characteristics. Does anybody know of an online archive, or at least a 
few online issues?


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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Joel C. Ewing]

It's part of that generic MVS principle from at least the 1970's, if not
earlier, that things that can be shut down cleanly before an IPL should
be, to minimize partially completed transactions, partial updates to a
collection of related data sets, database updates that haven't yet
reached a commit point, records written to output data sets but not yet
flushed from buffers to DASD, subsystems left in a state which makes
restart more difficult, etc, etc. 

When you have no idea what some system address space is doing under the
covers, you have no way to know whether it has potential to be a problem
or not, unless lack of exposure is explicitly stated somewhere, or it is
just impossible to terminate.   And obviously you don't want system
address spaces that you can't easily terminate if they could in turn
prevent the normal shutdown of JES or some other system address space
that benefits from a controlled shutdown.

Yes, a forced IPL or "pulling the plug" with things still running
certainly resets all running address spaces,  but the potential for
increased DB2 recovery time and potential need to recover damaged or
inconsistent tables and data sets, and the possibility of JES job output
on DASD not even accurately reflecting what batch job step was running
at the point of interruption when restarting rudely interrupted jobs
makes that a less-than-optimum approach that can potentially delay by
many minutes the availability of a system for production usage after an
IPL.   At a minimum you want to be able to quiesce any address spaces
that are processing end-user transactions or jobs, or processing service
requests in support of that workload (and the number of z/OS address
spaces in that latter category seems to be continually growing).

Every SysProg I've known always believed you minimized your pain by
always doing a controlled shutdown of as much as possible before
"pulling the plug", but I suspect most have also encountered occasional
cases where some software, hardware, or environmental issue didn't offer
much of a choice. 
    Joel C Ewing

On 8/24/20 11:05 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
> I'm not clear on why you all would care about shutting them down for an
> IPL.  IPL is 100% effective in removing unwanted processes.
>
> sas
>

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Physical Tape Ejection - RMM

[Jake Anderson]

Hello,

I must confess that i am ignorant on tape management and trying to
understand it.

One of our physical tape didn't eject automatically after the job ended .
As per RMM it shows the status as VRS. The tape dataset created by the
Batch is not running anywhere in the LPAR.

Is it safe to issue eject from RMM ?

how do we know if particular tape is free and not being used?

Any pointers are much appreciated

Jake

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Barbara Nitz]

>https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ieag100/paxr.htm
>
>FORCE AXR,ARM does the same things, but in a slightly less graceful way...

Must have come in via ptf after I downloaded the manuals when z/OS 2.4 came 
out. My versions don't show it.

Just tried 
F AXR,SR STOPTSO 
AXR0214I SYSREXX STOPTSO IS ACCEPTED.  ALL SUBSEQUENT TSO=YES
REQUESTS WILL BE REJECTED

That's all I need. Will tell my automation guy to put it into the shutdown 
sequence right after health checker is taken down.
That is z/OS 2.3 at ptf level 2006. I wonder if it already worked at 1912 - 
production is still at 1912 and will get refreshed this Saturday.

Sorry to the OP for hijacking this thread, I learned something new!

Barbara

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