Re: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

[Tom Brennan]

Fiche story:  I had an autocommand that displayed the spool percentage 
every hour or so.  Then maybe once a month I would run a program to grab 
all the percentages from syslog and produce a horizontal bar graph - 
just a simple line of 1 to 100 asterisks for each sample.  I'd print 
months of that to fiche, and was surprised that I could read the graph 
pretty well without a magnifier.  So when we had a spool shortage and a 
manager came over saying, "Add another spool pack", I'd check for a 
spike or trend by holding the fiche up to my desk lamp.  I'm sure the 
manager thought I was a little nutty with that report, but that was part 
of the fun.


On 7/26/2021 6:21 PM, Clark Morris wrote:

[Default] On 26 Jul 2021 13:16:58 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote:


As I recall the only 1052 for use as a S/360 console was the 1052-7. I believe that the 
3210 also used the "golfball" but that the 3215 and 3287 had dot matrix impact 
printers.

Having COM in those days sounds like luxury; I'm envious.


On one occasion, I used the fiche to show our operations manager that
HASP cancelled a job and that neither the night shift operator nor had
anything to do with it.

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Re: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

[Clark Morris]

[Default] On 26 Jul 2021 13:16:58 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote:

>As I recall the only 1052 for use as a S/360 console was the 1052-7. I believe 
>that the 3210 also used the "golfball" but that the 3215 and 3287 had dot 
>matrix impact printers.
>
>Having COM in those days sounds like luxury; I'm envious.

On one occasion, I used the fiche to show our operations manager that
HASP cancelled a job and that neither the night shift operator nor had
anything to do with it. 

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Re: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

[Seymour J Metz]

As I recall the only 1052 for use as a S/360 console was the 1052-7. I believe 
that the 3210 also used the "golfball" but that the 3215 and 3287 had dot 
matrix impact printers.

Having COM in those days sounds like luxury; I'm envious.


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[Default] On 26 Jul 2021 06:37:53 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote:

>Lot's of OS/360 MVT systems used a 1052-7, but that's not MVS. Did you 
>actually use the 3287 as a hardcopy console rather than for copying screens 
>and for applications?
As I recall from around 40 years ago, we had the Selectric (bouncing
ball) version of the 1052 on our mod 30, 40 and 65 systems.  With long
displays it quickly went down hill.  I am fairly certain that the 3287
was our hardcopy device on MVS although at this late point I don't
recall how much console traffic was routed to it.  Starting with MVT
we also printed SYSLOG to Fiche once a day.

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Re: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

[Clark Morris]

[Default] On 26 Jul 2021 06:37:53 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote:

>Lot's of OS/360 MVT systems used a 1052-7, but that's not MVS. Did you 
>actually use the 3287 as a hardcopy console rather than for copying screens 
>and for applications?
As I recall from around 40 years ago, we had the Selectric (bouncing
ball) version of the 1052 on our mod 30, 40 and 65 systems.  With long
displays it quickly went down hill.  I am fairly certain that the 3287
was our hardcopy device on MVS although at this late point I don't
recall how much console traffic was routed to it.  Starting with MVT
we also printed SYSLOG to Fiche once a day.

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Re: [External] Any Sceptre user here?

[ITschak Mugzach]

Tx again. I supported a Sceptre client until lately when they moved to
another solution outside the mainframe. I thought they were the last
clients. Indeed, it was modified to fit the client requirements and local
regulations.

בתאריך יום ב׳, 26 ביולי 2021 ב-21:31 מאת Pommier, Rex <
rpomm...@sfgmembers.com>:

>
> https://viewfromthewing.com/american-airlines-just-completed-a-major-milestone-of-the-us-airways-merger-yes-8-years-later/
>
> I found this in a comment on the above article.
>
> All three legacy US airlines (AA, UA, and DL) use SCEPTRE as their primary
> maintenance and engineering system. It’s old, as Gary described, and is
> mainframe driven. It also has no central owner but is essentially
> maintained by armies of consultants from firms like IBM or DXC. Each
> airline’s implementation of SCEPTRE is quite different.
>
> -Original Message-
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>
> Interesting. I thought that all deprecated Sceptre. Who is supporting the
> current users?
>
> בתאריך יום ב׳, 26 ביולי 2021 ב-21:11 מאת Pommier, Rex <
> rpomm...@sfgmembers.com>:
>
> > Yup, several of the big US based airlines use it.  Delta does, as does
> > American.  I just saw an article that said American just completed
> > their migration to Sceptre in May of this year.  They got Sceptre when
> > they merged with ?USAir? several years ago.
> >
> > Rex
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> >
> > Sceptre was (?) an aircraft maintenance product developed in the 70's.
> > I wonder is there is still a user of this product here.
> >
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Re: [External] Any Sceptre user here?

[Pommier, Rex]

https://viewfromthewing.com/american-airlines-just-completed-a-major-milestone-of-the-us-airways-merger-yes-8-years-later/

I found this in a comment on the above article.

All three legacy US airlines (AA, UA, and DL) use SCEPTRE as their primary 
maintenance and engineering system. It’s old, as Gary described, and is 
mainframe driven. It also has no central owner but is essentially maintained by 
armies of consultants from firms like IBM or DXC. Each airline’s implementation 
of SCEPTRE is quite different.

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Interesting. I thought that all deprecated Sceptre. Who is supporting the 
current users?

בתאריך יום ב׳, 26 ביולי 2021 ב-21:11 מאת Pommier, Rex <
rpomm...@sfgmembers.com>:

> Yup, several of the big US based airlines use it.  Delta does, as does 
> American.  I just saw an article that said American just completed 
> their migration to Sceptre in May of this year.  They got Sceptre when 
> they merged with ?USAir? several years ago.
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> Rex
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>
> Sceptre was (?) an aircraft maintenance product developed in the 70's. 
> I wonder is there is still a user of this product here.
>
> ITschak
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Re: [External] Any Sceptre user here?

[Itschak Mugzach]

Interesting. I thought that all deprecated Sceptre. Who is supporting the
current users?

בתאריך יום ב׳, 26 ביולי 2021 ב-21:11 מאת Pommier, Rex <
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> Yup, several of the big US based airlines use it.  Delta does, as does
> American.  I just saw an article that said American just completed their
> migration to Sceptre in May of this year.  They got Sceptre when they
> merged with ?USAir? several years ago.
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> Rex
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> Sceptre was (?) an aircraft maintenance product developed in the 70's. I
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Re: [External] Any Sceptre user here?

[Pommier, Rex]

Yup, several of the big US based airlines use it.  Delta does, as does 
American.  I just saw an article that said American just completed their 
migration to Sceptre in May of this year.  They got Sceptre when they merged 
with ?USAir? several years ago.

Rex

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Subject: [External] Any Sceptre user here?

Sceptre was (?) an aircraft maintenance product developed in the 70's. I wonder 
is there is still a user of this product here.

ITschak

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Any Sceptre user here?

[ITschak Mugzach]

Sceptre was (?) an aircraft maintenance product developed in the 70's. I
wonder is there is still a user of this product here.

ITschak

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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

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I have been running with zfs for years now with no issues.

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See Taking the brakes off ZFS on z/OS – move it to OMVS 
.
It is easy.   I raised a doc comment saying it was not well documented.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 15:01, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:

> I've never tried to run zfs under omvs, but it looks pretty straight 
> forward, soemthing I'd need to test.
> good doc here to help you set this up;
>
>
> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.3.0?topic=zfs-installation-configura
> tion-steps
>
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> Carmen Vitullo
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>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Ed 
> To: IBM-MAIN 
> Date: Monday, 26 July 2021 12:12 AM CDT
> Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests
>
> On 7/25/2021 10:01 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
> > Running on a VM on a 400mip box doesn't count, no. The information
> provided to me was that the "smallest" box that had been tested by IBM 
> is a
> 400+mip one, so the answer is "no", none of those count. I'm frankly 
> 400+kind
> of astonished that it never occurred to IBM to test on the smallest 
> box they sell for z/OS use, one would think that would have occurred 
> to "someone".
>
> z/OSMF has been used and tested extensively on zPDT and zD by 
> various ISVs and others. One of z/OSMF's biggest proponents is Watson & 
> Walker.
> The last time I saw them live at SHARE, Frank Kyne mentioned at the 
> bottom of slide 40 of
>
> https://watsonwalker.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/2020-09-100-Whats-
> New-in-Parmlib.pdf that running ZFS inside OMVS took minutes off 
> z/OSMF startup time on their zPDT.
>
> Until Frank mentioned it, I did not even know running ZFS that way was 
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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

[Colin Paice]

See Taking the brakes off ZFS on z/OS – move it to OMVS
.
It is easy.   I raised a doc comment saying it was not well documented.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 15:01, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:

> I've never tried to run zfs under omvs, but it looks pretty straight
> forward, soemthing I'd need to test.
> good doc here to help you set this up;
>
>
> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.3.0?topic=zfs-installation-configuration-steps
>
>
> Carmen Vitullo
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Ed 
> To: IBM-MAIN 
> Date: Monday, 26 July 2021 12:12 AM CDT
> Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests
>
> On 7/25/2021 10:01 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
> > Running on a VM on a 400mip box doesn't count, no. The information
> provided to me was that the "smallest" box that had been tested by IBM is a
> 400+mip one, so the answer is "no", none of those count. I'm frankly kind
> of astonished that it never occurred to IBM to test on the smallest box
> they sell for z/OS use, one would think that would have occurred to
> "someone".
>
> z/OSMF has been used and tested extensively on zPDT and zD by various
> ISVs and others. One of z/OSMF's biggest proponents is Watson & Walker.
> The last time I saw them live at SHARE, Frank Kyne mentioned at the
> bottom of slide 40 of
>
> https://watsonwalker.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/2020-09-100-Whats-New-in-Parmlib.pdf
> that running ZFS inside OMVS took minutes off z/OSMF startup time on
> their zPDT.
>
> Until Frank mentioned it, I did not even know running ZFS that way was
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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

[Carmen Vitullo]

I may be pointin out the obvious, but maybe not so obvious for all - ya 
just never know


I know some folks on my team, so glad they don't subscribe here, that 
will ask how toI point to some doc, they read what they want, when 
they get a failure or an error message they come back to me, I tell them 
to RTFM again, thoroughly


:)


Carmen


On 7/26/2021 10:00 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:

On 7/26/2021 7:50 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote:

also the recommendation if you do this;

Specify KERNELSTACKS(ABOVE) when zFS is running in the OMVS address 
space.


Haha! No kidding! You are way, Way, WAY behind the curve if you don't 
already have that specification... LOL




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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

[Ed Jaffe]

On 7/26/2021 7:50 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote:

also the recommendation if you do this;

Specify KERNELSTACKS(ABOVE) when zFS is running in the OMVS address 
space.


Haha! No kidding! You are way, Way, WAY behind the curve if you don't 
already have that specification... LOL



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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

[Carmen Vitullo]

also the recommendation if you do this;

Specify KERNELSTACKS(ABOVE) when zFS is running in the OMVS address space.


Carmen


On 7/26/2021 9:48 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
thats my current setup also, and yes it appears all you need to do is 
remove the ASNAME and viola !


I think you still need to make sure the IOEPRM DD is not in the PROC 
and is only in the parmlib?


Carmen

On 7/26/2021 9:44 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:

On 7/26/2021 7:01 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
I've never tried to run zfs under omvs, but it looks pretty straight 
forward, soemthing I'd need to test.

good doc here to help you set this up;
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.3.0?topic=zfs-installation-configuration-steps 



We currently specify the following in BPXPRMxx:

FILESYSTYPE TYPE(ZFS) ENTRYPOINT(IOEFSCM) ASNAME(ZFS,'SUB=MSTR')

It would appear all we need do is remove the ASNAME keyword from the 
above specification to run zFS under OMVS.


We'll give that a try and see how our systems on the z15 run...


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[Carmen Vitullo]

thats my current setup also, and yes it appears all you need to do is 
remove the ASNAME and viola !


I think you still need to make sure the IOEPRM DD is not in the PROC and 
is only in the parmlib?


Carmen

On 7/26/2021 9:44 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:

On 7/26/2021 7:01 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
I've never tried to run zfs under omvs, but it looks pretty straight 
forward, soemthing I'd need to test.

good doc here to help you set this up;
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.3.0?topic=zfs-installation-configuration-steps


We currently specify the following in BPXPRMxx:

FILESYSTYPE TYPE(ZFS) ENTRYPOINT(IOEFSCM) ASNAME(ZFS,'SUB=MSTR')

It would appear all we need do is remove the ASNAME keyword from the 
above specification to run zFS under OMVS.


We'll give that a try and see how our systems on the z15 run...


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[Ed Jaffe]

On 7/26/2021 7:01 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote:

I've never tried to run zfs under omvs, but it looks pretty straight forward, 
soemthing I'd need to test.
good doc here to help you set this up;
   
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.3.0?topic=zfs-installation-configuration-steps


We currently specify the following in BPXPRMxx:

FILESYSTYPE TYPE(ZFS) ENTRYPOINT(IOEFSCM) ASNAME(ZFS,'SUB=MSTR')

It would appear all we need do is remove the ASNAME keyword from the 
above specification to run zFS under OMVS.


We'll give that a try and see how our systems on the z15 run...

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[Carmen Vitullo]

I've never tried to run zfs under omvs, but it looks pretty straight forward, 
soemthing I'd need to test.  
good doc here to help you set this up; 
  
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.3.0?topic=zfs-installation-configuration-steps
 
  
   
Carmen Vitullo 

   

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From: Ed 
To: IBM-MAIN 
Date: Monday, 26 July 2021 12:12 AM CDT
Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

On 7/25/2021 10:01 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: 
> Running on a VM on a 400mip box doesn't count, no. The information provided 
> to me was that the "smallest" box that had been tested by IBM is a 400+mip 
> one, so the answer is "no", none of those count. I'm frankly kind of 
> astonished that it never occurred to IBM to test on the smallest box they 
> sell for z/OS use, one would think that would have occurred to "someone". 

z/OSMF has been used and tested extensively on zPDT and zD by various 
ISVs and others. One of z/OSMF's biggest proponents is Watson & Walker. 
The last time I saw them live at SHARE, Frank Kyne mentioned at the 
bottom of slide 40 of 
https://watsonwalker.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/2020-09-100-Whats-New-in-Parmlib.pdf
 
that running ZFS inside OMVS took minutes off z/OSMF startup time on 
their zPDT. 

Until Frank mentioned it, I did not even know running ZFS that way was 
an option... 

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Re: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

[Seymour J Metz]

Lot's of OS/360 MVT systems used a 1052-7, but that's not MVS. Did you actually 
use the 3287 as a hardcopy console rather than for copying screens and for 
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[Default] On 25 Jul 2021 14:56:33 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote:

>Did you ever see a 1052-7, or even a 3210, on an MVS system? Admiitedly the D 
>U message flood is a nuisance even on a 3270, but every shop that I saw used 
>3066 and 3270 for consoles, with hardcopy on syslog and no keyboard-printer 
>consoles. Was anybody here on a S/370 that used a 3210 or 3215 as an MCS 
>console?

This was a 1052 on a 360/65.  As I recall we graduated to a 3287 on
our 4341.

Clark Morris

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