Re: Book Enquiry
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:03:25 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 0461273688451840.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on 10/23/2012 at 07:56 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com said: I do see where it has, The Pack instruction does not check zones, except in the rightmost byte... It doesn't check the rightmost zone, but it does move it. Is that what you mean? The one that I'm thinking of was around for several years and simplified the explanation in PoOps by claiming that the instructions only operated on decimal data. That made it hard for them to understand the code for translating between binary and hex. I see what you mean. The book does have a simplified explanation of the instructions, and only mentions using them for for converting between zoned and packed decimal. I don't see where it claims that it is the only use for them, though. In any case, when I took an assembler class in 1969, we used two books, the student text and the Principles of Operation. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:06:40 -0500, Shmuel wrote: at 06:42 PM, shai hess shai.h...@gmail.com said: Sorry if I hurt anybody feeling but if we inform about closing sites why I can not post what I posted? You can; you have as much authority as ted does. Indeed. And given the dearth of opportunities I see advertised and sites disappearing, hard to argue. The O/S continues being developed, as does the hardware, but the puddle we all play in continues to evaporate. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Indeed. And given the dearth of opportunities I see advertised and sites disappearing, hard to argue. The O/S continues being developed, as does the hardware, but the puddle we all play in continues to evaporate. Shane ... Retirement is just around the corner, as that puddle shrinks. Anyone younger than 50 ready to take over for the next few years? Paul -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:59:27 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 6921522608355946.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on 10/22/2012 at 11:50 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com said: A Programmer's Introduction to IBM System/360 Assembler Language - Student Text. The one with the incorrect explanation of PACK and UNPK? Hmmm If so, I don't see the errors. Perhaps it has been corrected. This is the -6 edition of the book, published in August, 1970. I do see where it has, The Pack instruction does not check zones, except in the rightmost byte... It doesn't check the rightmost zone, but it does move it. Is that what you mean? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 03:47:51 -0500, Shane Ginnane wrote: ... The O/S continues being developed, as does the hardware, ... And the hardware far outpaces the OS. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Try www.bookfinder.com Angela DeBoo RadioShack IT 817 415-0460 mailto:angela.de...@radioshack.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry The prices vary from 50€ to 300€ depending. If you really need it, shop around a bit, just like any antique book you may look for. Granted, it would be wonderful if he kept it up to date, like when he talked about PC routines. The thing that I liked best is how it presented the material. I actually enjoy reading his book. Really. For example, I couldn't sell mine because I fell asleep reading it and spilled red wine all over one of the pages. Also, I only spent about 50€ on it from a used book site. Lindy -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Raj Singh Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 6:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Book Enquiry Hi Listers, Been a while that I am looking for 2nd edition-Advanced assembler programming and MVS interfaces by Carmine Cannatello.I have checked on Barnes and Noble and Amazon,was wondering if the used one's are worth a buy.Any other suggestions(like ebook etc)/references are much appreciated. TIA Raj -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In 0461273688451840.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on 10/23/2012 at 07:56 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com said: Hmmm If so, I don't see the errors. Perhaps it has been corrected. This is the -6 edition of the book, published in August, 1970. I do see where it has, The Pack instruction does not check zones, except in the rightmost byte... It doesn't check the rightmost zone, but it does move it. Is that what you mean? It may not be the student text I'm thinking of, although the date is in the right era. The one that I'm thinking of was around for several years and simplified the explanation in PoOps by claiming that the instructions only operated on decimal data. That made it hard for them to understand the code for translating between binary and hex. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Amazon I think it lists for $200.00 I would not pay that much for the book. You might try contacting Carmine directly. He might know of other sources. Lizette -Original Message- From: Raj Singh rajasingh8...@gmail.com Sent: Oct 22, 2012 8:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Book Enquiry Hi Listers, Been a while that I am looking for 2nd edition-Advanced assembler programming and MVS interfaces by Carmine Cannatello.I have checked on Barnes and Noble and Amazon,was wondering if the used one's are worth a buy.Any other suggestions(like ebook etc)/references are much appreciated. TIA Raj -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Why is such a demand for this book? I have a copy, although I've made scant use of it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry 2nd edition-Advanced assembler programming and MVS interfaces by Carmine Cannatello I'll sell you mine for $200 plus shipping, unless someone else outbids you. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Not so much as in demand, but more like limited printing. And for some reason the $60.00 USD and it lists for like $200.00 (last time I checked) This is a good book to help understand some of the more interesting facets of assembler programming. Lizette -Original Message- From: Richard Tsujimoto rtsujim...@nyc.rr.com Sent: Oct 22, 2012 8:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Why is such a demand for this book? I have a copy, although I've made scant use of it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry 2nd edition-Advanced assembler programming and MVS interfaces by Carmine Cannatello I'll sell you mine for $200 plus shipping, unless someone else outbids you. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Several years ago I traded my copy for a NY Yankees coffee mug. I still have the mug and have enjoyed it much more than I ever enjoyed the book. Sadly, I've forgotten the young lady's name who received my copy in trade and seriously I hope it's been helpful to her. No doubt she's a Yankees fan who's suffered through a bad year. - Original Message - From: Richard Tsujimoto rtsujim...@nyc.rr.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Why is such a demand for this book? I have a copy, although I've made scant use of it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry 2nd edition-Advanced assembler programming and MVS interfaces by Carmine Cannatello I'll sell you mine for $200 plus shipping, unless someone else outbids you. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Good to IBM that in time of dying ZOS still new people like to study MF assembler. On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Richard Tsujimoto rtsujim...@nyc.rr.comwrote: Why is such a demand for this book? I have a copy, although I've made scant use of it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry 2nd edition-Advanced assembler programming and MVS interfaces by Carmine Cannatello I'll sell you mine for $200 plus shipping, unless someone else outbids you. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Thank. God bless you, Shai -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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That was cold. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony's office PC Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Several years ago I traded my copy for a NY Yankees coffee mug. I still have the mug and have enjoyed it much more than I ever enjoyed the book. Sadly, I've forgotten the young lady's name who received my copy in trade and seriously I hope it's been helpful to her. No doubt she's a Yankees fan who's suffered through a bad year. - Original Message - From: Richard Tsujimoto rtsujim...@nyc.rr.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Why is such a demand for this book? I have a copy, although I've made scant use of it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry 2nd edition-Advanced assembler programming and MVS interfaces by Carmine Cannatello I'll sell you mine for $200 plus shipping, unless someone else outbids you. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I'll sell you mine for $200 plus shipping, unless someone else outbids you. I am waiting for computer historians to recognize that my library of Donald Knuth books is in the same class as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Magna Charta, etc. ;-) Maybe I'll get rich. Or maybe my collection of BYTE Magazine Volume One that my wife keeps trying to throw away. Actually, speaking of Professor Knuth, I use his name as an interview question. Any Candidate that doesn't immediately recognize the name doesn't get my recommendation. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Knuth Rockne, wasn't he the coach of ND when the Gipper played :)? Richard and Vickie Pinion --- jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us wrote: From: Roberts, John J jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:22:09 -0500 I'll sell you mine for $200 plus shipping, unless someone else outbids you. I am waiting for computer historians to recognize that my library of Donald Knuth books is in the same class as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Magna Charta, etc. ;-) Maybe I'll get rich. Or maybe my collection of BYTE Magazine Volume One that my wife keeps trying to throw away. Actually, speaking of Professor Knuth, I use his name as an interview question. Any Candidate that doesn't immediately recognize the name doesn't get my recommendation. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I don't contribute much to this list; I have to this time! z/OS is NOT dying! And, you do a disservice stating so on a mainframe forum. Also, it (imo) shows that you can't be that closely involved if you spell it 'ZOS' without the lower case 'z' nor the '/'! I'll go back into hibernation, now. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: shai hess shai.h...@gmail.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:06:38 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Good to IBM that in time of dying ZOS still new people like to study MF assembler. On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Richard Tsujimoto rtsujim...@nyc.rr.comwrote: Why is such a demand for this book? I have a copy, although I've made scant use of it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry 2nd edition-Advanced assembler programming and MVS interfaces by Carmine Cannatello I'll sell you mine for $200 plus shipping, unless someone else outbids you. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Thank. God bless you, Shai -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Ted, I did not intent to hurt anybody but in this forum I read some posts about closing sites of MF (z/os :)) and not about new sites. Sorry if I hurt anybody feeling but if we inform about closing sites why I can not post what I posted? On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: I don't contribute much to this list; I have to this time! z/OS is NOT dying! And, you do a disservice stating so on a mainframe forum. Also, it (imo) shows that you can't be that closely involved if you spell it 'ZOS' without the lower case 'z' nor the '/'! I'll go back into hibernation, now. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: shai hess shai.h...@gmail.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:06:38 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Good to IBM that in time of dying ZOS still new people like to study MF assembler. On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Richard Tsujimoto rtsujim...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Why is such a demand for this book? I have a copy, although I've made scant use of it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry 2nd edition-Advanced assembler programming and MVS interfaces by Carmine Cannatello I'll sell you mine for $200 plus shipping, unless someone else outbids you. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Thank. God bless you, Shai -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Thank. God bless you, Shai -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Actually, speaking of Professor Knuth, I use his name as an interview question. Any Candidate that doesn't immediately recognize the name doesn't get my recommendation. John We're not worthy We're not worthy. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Almost everything you do (did) under S/370 does still run under z/OS 1.13, excluding ISAM, VSAM IMBED / REPLICATE characteristics. Everything done under S/360 that was incorporated into S/370 is included. You could download the Turnkey3 CD and run it on your PC as a developement environment. If you want to use some usermode z/Series instructions, you could download the MVS/380 project. Some things have changed, some things have been added. The worst thing would be the old Cobol compiler did not have END- structures, so you might pick up some bad habits getting around this. On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:03:11 +0300, Raj Singh wrote: Any other suggestions(like ebook etc)/references are much appreciated. If you are looking for an introductory text for learning Assembler, you could go to bitsavers and download IBM's A Programmer's Introduction to IBM System/360 Assembler Language - Student Text. Yes, System/360. It is dated but there is useful stuff in there. Ignore the parts about coding forms. http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/360/asm/SC20-1646-6_int360asm_Aug70.pdf -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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That is not North Dakota, represented by ND it is Notre Dame. Besides the author mentioned Knute Rockne and the Gipper. Rob Jackson HCL America (Contractor) 'The King of Hearts is the only king WITHOUT a moustache' No piece of paper can be folded in half more than seven (7) times. Oh go ahead, I'll wait... From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Fairchild [bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry I don't think the Gipper ever played at North Dakota. Bill Fairchild Programmer Rocket Software 408 Chamberlain Park Lane • Franklin, TN 37069-2526 • USA t: +1.617.614.4503 • e: bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com • w: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Knuth Rockne, wasn't he the coach of ND when the Gipper played :)? Richard and Vickie Pinion --- jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us wrote: From: Roberts, John J jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:22:09 -0500 I'll sell you mine for $200 plus shipping, unless someone else outbids you. I am waiting for computer historians to recognize that my library of Donald Knuth books is in the same class as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Magna Charta, etc. ;-) Maybe I'll get rich. Or maybe my collection of BYTE Magazine Volume One that my wife keeps trying to throw away. Actually, speaking of Professor Knuth, I use his name as an interview question. Any Candidate that doesn't immediately recognize the name doesn't get my recommendation. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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http://xkcd.com/163/ On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Roberts, John J jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us wrote: deleted Actually, speaking of Professor Knuth, I use his name as an interview question. Any Candidate that doesn't immediately recognize the name doesn't get my recommendation. John -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Not North Dakota? No way. Next you'll try to convince me that the HCL in HCL America is not hydrochloric acid. The author mentioned knutH rockne, not knutE rockne. Knuth was Knute's cousin who coached at North Dakota where there was an awesome player named Gipper Nagurski. This post and my previous post are pre-Friday OT jests, BTW. Bill Fairchild Programmer Rocket Software 408 Chamberlain Park Lane * Franklin, TN 37069-2526 * USA t: +1.617.614.4503 * e: bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com * w: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Robin Wayne Jackson, HCL America Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry That is not North Dakota, represented by ND it is Notre Dame. Besides the author mentioned Knute Rockne and the Gipper. Rob Jackson HCL America (Contractor) 'The King of Hearts is the only king WITHOUT a moustache' No piece of paper can be folded in half more than seven (7) times. Oh go ahead, I'll wait... From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Fairchild [bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry I don't think the Gipper ever played at North Dakota. Bill Fairchild Programmer Rocket Software 408 Chamberlain Park Lane * Franklin, TN 37069-2526 * USA t: +1.617.614.4503 * e: bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com * w: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Knuth Rockne, wasn't he the coach of ND when the Gipper played :)? Richard and Vickie Pinion --- jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us wrote: From: Roberts, John J jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:22:09 -0500 I'll sell you mine for $200 plus shipping, unless someone else outbids you. I am waiting for computer historians to recognize that my library of Donald Knuth books is in the same class as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Magna Charta, etc. ;-) Maybe I'll get rich. Or maybe my collection of BYTE Magazine Volume One that my wife keeps trying to throw away. Actually, speaking of Professor Knuth, I use his name as an interview question. Any Candidate that doesn't immediately recognize the name doesn't get my recommendation. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/taocp.html#vol4 On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: Actually, speaking of Professor Knuth, I use his name as an interview question. Any Candidate that doesn't immediately recognize the name doesn't get my recommendation. John We're not worthy We're not worthy. Lizette -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hi Listers, I am overwhelmed by the response from this group.Thanks to all and to those who are ready to sell me the book(will send a separate mail to them). Tried to search for Mr Carmine's email ID but not able to get it,If anyone has it,please pass it on to me(rajasingh8...@gmail.com). Long live z/OS. TIA-Raj On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: Not North Dakota? No way. Next you'll try to convince me that the HCL in HCL America is not hydrochloric acid. The author mentioned knutH rockne, not knutE rockne. Knuth was Knute's cousin who coached at North Dakota where there was an awesome player named Gipper Nagurski. This post and my previous post are pre-Friday OT jests, BTW. Bill Fairchild Programmer Rocket Software 408 Chamberlain Park Lane * Franklin, TN 37069-2526 * USA t: +1.617.614.4503 * e: bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com * w: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Robin Wayne Jackson, HCL America Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry That is not North Dakota, represented by ND it is Notre Dame. Besides the author mentioned Knute Rockne and the Gipper. Rob Jackson HCL America (Contractor) 'The King of Hearts is the only king WITHOUT a moustache' No piece of paper can be folded in half more than seven (7) times. Oh go ahead, I'll wait... From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Fairchild [bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry I don't think the Gipper ever played at North Dakota. Bill Fairchild Programmer Rocket Software 408 Chamberlain Park Lane * Franklin, TN 37069-2526 * USA t: +1.617.614.4503 * e: bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com * w: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Knuth Rockne, wasn't he the coach of ND when the Gipper played :)? Richard and Vickie Pinion --- jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us wrote: From: Roberts, John J jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:22:09 -0500 I'll sell you mine for $200 plus shipping, unless someone else outbids you. I am waiting for computer historians to recognize that my library of Donald Knuth books is in the same class as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Magna Charta, etc. ;-) Maybe I'll get rich. Or maybe my collection of BYTE Magazine Volume One that my wife keeps trying to throw away. Actually, speaking of Professor Knuth, I use his name as an interview question. Any Candidate that doesn't immediately recognize the name doesn't get my recommendation. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check
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MVS Assembler Language by Mike Murach and Associates, Inc. This is an introductory book. Kay Rozeboom Information Technology Enterprise Iowa Department of Administrative Services Telephone: 515.281.6139 Fax: 515.281.6137 Email: kay.rozeb...@iowa.gov -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Raj Singh Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Book Enquiry Hi Listers, Been a while that I am looking for 2nd edition-Advanced assembler programming and MVS interfaces by Carmine Cannatello.I have checked on Barnes and Noble and Amazon,was wondering if the used one's are worth a buy.Any other suggestions(like ebook etc)/references are much appreciated. TIA Raj -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/taocp.html#vol4 I think Mike's point is that Professor Knuth is still alive and actively writing at Stanford. When I was given a copy of Volume 1 back in 1972, I expected Professor Knuth to be some 60-ish professor, complete with a tweed suit, pipe and leather elbow patches. I was very surprised to learn that he was just 10 years older than myself. I have an interesting story to tell regarding Volume 1 of The Art of Computer Programming. Buried within this tome is an algorithm for storage allocation and de-allocation. The whole idea is to allocate storage in chunks that are a power of 2 in length (32, 64, 128, etc.). Knuth calls this the Buddy Storage Algorithm since by knowing the address of a chunk, you know it's size. And you can reclaim storage by locating the buddy chunk and checking a single bit to see if it is free or in-use. The algorithm is very efficient and did not require searching linked-list structures like the Best Fit or First Fit algorithms that were in common use. Back in 1976 I was working at a major Canadian Bank. We were running an online retail banking application in over 1000 branches across Canada using CICS and a IBM S/370-168. Very marginal for performance. We were constantly tuning to squeeze every last CPU cycle out of the application. We used the STROBE field developed program to profile our app and discovered that a very large portion of our CPU cycles were being spent doing CICS GETMAIN and FREEMAIN. A colleague of mine did some midnight engineering to see what would happen if we replaced the CICS management program DFHSCP with our own variant using Knuth's Buddy Storage Algorithm. Management did not want to encourage this, because we were trying to go vanilla with our CICS software and not employ any local mods. But when Angus was able to show a DOUBLING of performance as a consequence of the change, management seized upon this, since only by getting past our performance and capacity problems could we enhance the application to do some things that would give the bank a competitive advantage. The Bank stuck with this modified Storage Control Program for several years, until Hursley made some big changes in this area, probably with CICS/VS 1.7 or later. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:56:49 -0500, Roberts, John J wrote: http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/taocp.html#vol4 I have an interesting story to tell regarding Volume 1 of The Art of Computer Programming. Buried within this tome is an algorithm for storage allocation and de-allocation. The whole idea is to allocate storage in chunks that are a power of 2 in length (32, 64, 128, etc.). Knuth calls this the Buddy Storage Algorithm since by knowing the address of a chunk, you know it's size. ... Errr ??? I'm skeptical. Suppose the address is 0, relative to the base of the managed storage pool. What's its size? Which is the buddy? From DEK Vol. 1. 1969, p. 443: ... if we know the address of a block..., _and_if_we_also_we_know_the_size_ of_that_block_, we know the address of its buddy. (Emphasis added.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Two minutes of Googling produced no email address but this looks possible, so try sending a real, non-electronic letter to Carmine Cannatello ATZ Consulting Inc. 6 Durland Rd. Lynbrook, NY 11563-4208 Or call this number and ask if it is the Assembler book's author: +1- 516-599-4173 Bill Fairchild Programmer Rocket Software 408 Chamberlain Park Lane * Franklin, TN 37069-2526 * USA t: +1.617.614.4503 * e: bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com * w: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Raj Singh Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Hi Listers, I am overwhelmed by the response from this group.Thanks to all and to those who are ready to sell me the book(will send a separate mail to them). Tried to search for Mr Carmine's email ID but not able to get it,If anyone has it,please pass it on to me(rajasingh8...@gmail.com). Long live z/OS. TIA-Raj On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: Not North Dakota? No way. Next you'll try to convince me that the HCL in HCL America is not hydrochloric acid. The author mentioned knutH rockne, not knutE rockne. Knuth was Knute's cousin who coached at North Dakota where there was an awesome player named Gipper Nagurski. This post and my previous post are pre-Friday OT jests, BTW. Bill Fairchild Programmer Rocket Software 408 Chamberlain Park Lane * Franklin, TN 37069-2526 * USA t: +1.617.614.4503 * e: bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com * w: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Robin Wayne Jackson, HCL America Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry That is not North Dakota, represented by ND it is Notre Dame. Besides the author mentioned Knute Rockne and the Gipper. Rob Jackson HCL America (Contractor) 'The King of Hearts is the only king WITHOUT a moustache' No piece of paper can be folded in half more than seven (7) times. Oh go ahead, I'll wait... From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Fairchild [bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry I don't think the Gipper ever played at North Dakota. Bill Fairchild Programmer Rocket Software 408 Chamberlain Park Lane * Franklin, TN 37069-2526 * USA t: +1.617.614.4503 * e: bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com * w: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Knuth Rockne, wasn't he the coach of ND when the Gipper played :)? Richard and Vickie Pinion --- jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us wrote: From: Roberts, John J jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:22:09 -0500 I'll sell you mine for $200 plus shipping, unless someone else outbids you. I am waiting for computer historians to recognize that my library of Donald Knuth books is in the same class as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Magna Charta, etc. ;-) Maybe I'll get rich. Or maybe my collection of BYTE Magazine Volume One that my wife keeps trying to throw away. Actually, speaking of Professor Knuth, I use his name as an interview question. Any Candidate that doesn't immediately recognize the name doesn't get my recommendation. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: -- -- The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may
Re: Donald Knuth and The Art of Computer Programming - was RE: Book Enquiry
Ah, but unless you implemented the CICS fences for the storage pieces, it must have been a bear when the apps started over-running memory. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Roberts, John J Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Donald Knuth and The Art of Computer Programming - was RE: Book Enquiry Errr ??? I'm skeptical. Suppose the address is 0, relative to the base of the managed storage pool. What's its size? Which is the buddy? I may be a bit hazy on the details. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_memory_allocation for something a bit more accurate. What I am not hazy on is the performance boost we achieved by implementing a scheme with Knuth's algorithm at its core. It cut the path length of a CICS GETMAIN or FREEMAIN from 2000+ instructions down to about 250. And doubled the transactional capacity of our app. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Ah, but unless you implemented the CICS fences for the storage pieces, it must have been a bear when the apps started over-running memory. If I can recall correctly, we did a few things to address this problem: (1) We forced the minimum allocation to be 256 bytes. So small buffer overruns didn't do any damage. (2) We simulated duplicate CICS Storage Accounting Areas (SAA) so that we could detect storage corruption. (3) Our app was all Assembly Code, linked as reentrant. So program storage was all in protected storage. (4) Application developers were provided with an extensive set of library subroutines and Macros to invoke them. So their opportunity for storage mayhem was greatly controlled. (5) We had a strict System Testing regimen. Very few damaging bugs made it into production. Of course, the problem of storage corruption was the Achilles Heel of CICS for much of the 70's. But it was the price you had to pay if you needed the performance. The Bank had looked at IMS-DC as an alternative, but my recollection is that only with the very limited Fast Path option that came out in the late 70's was this platform capable of a transaction rate even close to CICS/VS. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Very nice. Back in the day, IMS DC was similar to TSO under MVT, trying to multitask too many users in a small space, not unlike seeing how many clowns fit in a Volkswagen Beetle. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Roberts, John J Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 5:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Donald Knuth and The Art of Computer Programming - was RE: Book Enquiry Ah, but unless you implemented the CICS fences for the storage pieces, it must have been a bear when the apps started over-running memory. If I can recall correctly, we did a few things to address this problem: (1) We forced the minimum allocation to be 256 bytes. So small buffer overruns didn't do any damage. (2) We simulated duplicate CICS Storage Accounting Areas (SAA) so that we could detect storage corruption. (3) Our app was all Assembly Code, linked as reentrant. So program storage was all in protected storage. (4) Application developers were provided with an extensive set of library subroutines and Macros to invoke them. So their opportunity for storage mayhem was greatly controlled. (5) We had a strict System Testing regimen. Very few damaging bugs made it into production. Of course, the problem of storage corruption was the Achilles Heel of CICS for much of the 70's. But it was the price you had to pay if you needed the performance. The Bank had looked at IMS-DC as an alternative, but my recollection is that only with the very limited Fast Path option that came out in the late 70's was this platform capable of a transaction rate even close to CICS/VS. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 10/22/2012 12:22 PM, Roberts, John J wrote: I am waiting for computer historians to recognize that my library of Donald Knuth books is in the same class as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Magna Charta, etc. ;-) Maybe I'll get rich. You won't get too many takers for a Magna Charta Actually, speaking of Professor Knuth, I use his name as an interview question. Any Candidate that doesn't immediately recognize the name doesn't get my recommendation. That seems harsh, especially when one of you uses the Germanic pronunciation (spoken K, but silent h), and the other an Anglicized one. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Ouch Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Tony's office PC tbabo...@frontier.com wrote: Yea, but then I've never spared sympathy for Yankees fans. I've been too obsessed with my beloved Cubs since '53. Oh, the book. I couldn't use much of its content simply because 3 consecutive companies (each now defunct) did not allow any creative tinkering. My assembler career ran its course after that, prompting my decision to barter a cold book for a hot coffee. time to take a sip. - Original Message - From: Richard Tsujimoto rtsujim...@nyc.rr.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Book Enquiry That was cold. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony's office PC Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Several years ago I traded my copy for a NY Yankees coffee mug. I still have the mug and have enjoyed it much more than I ever enjoyed the book. Sadly, I've forgotten the young lady's name who received my copy in trade and seriously I hope it's been helpful to her. No doubt she's a Yankees fan who's suffered through a bad year. - Original Message - From: Richard Tsujimoto rtsujim...@nyc.rr.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Book Enquiry Why is such a demand for this book? I have a copy, although I've made scant use of it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Book Enquiry 2nd edition-Advanced assembler programming and MVS interfaces by Carmine Cannatello I'll sell you mine for $200 plus shipping, unless someone else outbids you. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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The antecedents of Donald Ervin Knuth---not 'Erwin', as in Erwin Rommel usw.---are Scandinavian, not German. Still, Gerhard got it right, voiced 'K', silent 'h', roughly 'Knoot' in Swedish and most other Scandinavian languages, Finnish of course excepted. My own view is that a candidate having a putative computer science/mathematics background who is ignorant of Knuth should indeed be written off; but that others having different backgrounds should be judged differently. Pronunciation is, moreover, problematic. Kate and I have two very old friends as house guests at the moment. They are from different Hanseatic cities, but he and she both pronounce German in much the same way---e.g., Einstein instead of Einshtein---and very differently from the now obsolete 'hochwohlgeboren' Prussian way in which I was taught to pronounce and still speak it. We do nevertheless communicate effortlessly. Coherent adherence to some tradition is important, but it does not much matter which one. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA Avant d'imprimer cet e-mail, réfléchissons à l'impact sur l'environnement. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In 93891f43642f3c419a7d75acc2b1db6f3cc0958...@exchangemb2.dhs.state.ia.us, on 10/22/2012 at 11:22 AM, Roberts, John J jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us said: I am waiting for computer historians to recognize that my library of Donald Knuth books is in the same class as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Magna Charta, etc. Not unless it's autographed; they're still in print, and probably will be for a long time to come. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In 6921522608355946.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on 10/22/2012 at 11:50 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com said: If you are looking for an introductory text for learning Assembler, you could go to bitsavers and download IBM's A Programmer's Introduction to IBM System/360 Assembler Language - Student Text. The one with the incorrect explanation of PACK and UNPK? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 10/22/2012 9:03 AM, Raj Singh wrote: Hi Listers, Been a while that I am looking for 2nd edition-Advanced assembler programming and MVS interfaces by Carmine Cannatello.I have checked on Barnes and Noble and Amazon,was wondering if the used one's are worth a buy.Any other suggestions(like ebook etc)/references are much appreciated. TIA Raj I have a copy of Advanced Assembler Language and MVS interfaces by Carmine Cannatello, 2nd Edition, in excellent condition. I will sell it and ship it to the highest bidder who sends me an offer off-list by the end of this week. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In CAL0RPHA81WkPDdTvUy0=mdvyknyc5iyyoouf0gjpqrpzkwy...@mail.gmail.com, on 10/22/2012 at 06:42 PM, shai hess shai.h...@gmail.com said: Sorry if I hurt anybody feeling but if we inform about closing sites why I can not post what I posted? You can; you have as much authority as ted does. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
