Re: Extended format system ZFS files

[Edward Gould]

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Jousma, David  wrote:
> 
> If it were me, I'd use DFDSS to copy with rename the filesystems.   If 
> applicable, IPL onto the new ones, before deleting the old ones.  I use DFDSS 
> to clone filesystems as a regular part of maintenance. If they are mounted 
> READ only, then the DFDSS job can be run anywhere.  If mounted RDWR, you need 
> to either unmount, or expect DFDSS to temporarily quiesce the filesystem from 
> updates while running.
> 

Dave,

Doesn’t DFDSS under the covers use IDCAMS repo?
I have heard that IBM doesn’t cotton to report for ZFS’s .

Ed


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Re: Extended format system ZFS files

[Carmen Vitullo]

I've used REPRO as a way to quickly expand a filesystem and had no issue, as 
part of my maint procedure I prefer to use pax 


pax -rwkv -pe . /Service/SYSx/ 

I think the BPX Rexx exec to convert HFS to ZFS uses pax also, and yes, system 
auditing flag are an issue if you don't have audit authority, user audit I can 
turn off as uid(0) 
Carmen 

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Subject: Re: Extended format system ZFS files 

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Lizette Koehler <stars...@mindspring.com> 
wrote: 

> When I used REPRO on a zFS the same size was used no matter how the TO 
> file was set up. So I think REPRO works for a like-to-like copy. 
> 
> If you want to resize, you need to create a new zFS then use OMVS to cp 
> the file with appropriate functions. 
> 
> cp -R -p source target 
> 

​Just to be a technical bother, there is a slight problem with that 
command. If there is a "mount point" with a second filesystem mounted on it 
below the "source" directory, then all the data on that (and any other) 
filesystem will also be copied to "target". Which is rarely what is wanted. 
It is better to run "pax" in copy mode. 

pax ​-M -peW -X source target 

​Note that the pax command above will most likely need to be done with an 
effective UID of 0 (I use "sudo", but installation of that is optional) and 
by a user with the RACF AUDITOR attribute (the W copies the audit 
attributes and requires RACF AUDITOR). ​ 
​ 


> 
> This way I keep my files and attributes, etc in tack in the target file 
> 
> Lizette 
> 
> 

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Re: Extended format system ZFS files

[John McKown]

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Lizette Koehler 
wrote:

> When I used REPRO on a zFS the same size was used no matter how the TO
> file was set up.  So I think REPRO works for a like-to-like copy.
>
> If you want to resize, you need to create a new zFS then use OMVS to cp
> the file with appropriate functions.
>
>cp -R -p source target
>

​Just to be a technical bother, there is a slight problem with that
command. If there is a "mount point" with a second filesystem mounted on it
below the "source" directory, then all the data on that (and any other)
filesystem will also be copied to "target". Which is rarely what is wanted.
It is better to run "pax" in copy mode.

pax ​-M -peW -X source target

​Note that the pax command above will most likely need to be done with an
effective UID of 0 (I use "sudo", but installation of that is optional) and
by a user with the RACF AUDITOR attribute (the W copies the audit
attributes and requires RACF AUDITOR). ​
​


>
> This way I keep my files and attributes, etc  in tack in the target file
>
> Lizette
>
>

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Re: Extended format system ZFS files

[Lizette Koehler]

When I used REPRO on a zFS the same size was used no matter how the TO file was 
set up.  So I think REPRO works for a like-to-like copy.

If you want to resize, you need to create a new zFS then use OMVS to cp the 
file with appropriate functions. 

   cp -R -p source target

This way I keep my files and attributes, etc  in tack in the target file

Lizette


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> 
> W dniu 2017-09-21 o 14:01, Shaffer, Terri pisze:
> > I was able to use REPRO and everything worked great.  The key is just do
> the allocation of the ZFS and not the format as repro will copy the format
> and ZFS changes to ZFS when I mounted.
> 
> That's easy to explain: you copy CI's - kind of "physical blocks"
> (actually they are physical blocks AFAIK), so you copy entire content of the
> ZFS container. So, target ZFS has to be empty or reused
> (overwritten) otherwise there would be APPEND operation instead of copy, and
> that will break the structure of filesystem.
> 
> Things less obvious:
> 1. Can I copy from non-EA to EA cluster?
> 2. Is SMS-managed source and non-SMS target OK? (I bet yes) 3. Can I copy
> from 1000-cyl single extent to a 3000-cyl primary allocation cluster?
> 
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Re: Extended format system ZFS files

[R.S.]

W dniu 2017-09-21 o 14:01, Shaffer, Terri pisze:

I was able to use REPRO and everything worked great.  The key is just do the 
allocation of the ZFS and not the format as repro will copy the format and ZFS 
changes to ZFS when I mounted.


That's easy to explain: you copy CI's - kind of "physical blocks" 
(actually they are physical blocks AFAIK), so you copy entire content of 
the ZFS container. So, target ZFS has to be empty or reused 
(overwritten) otherwise there would be APPEND operation instead of copy, 
and that will break the structure of filesystem.


Things less obvious:
1. Can I copy from non-EA to EA cluster?
2. Is SMS-managed source and non-SMS target OK? (I bet yes)
3. Can I copy from 1000-cyl single extent to a 3000-cyl primary 
allocation cluster?


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Re: Extended format system ZFS files

[Shaffer, Terri]

I was able to use REPRO and everything worked great.  The key is just do the 
allocation of the ZFS and not the format as repro will copy the format and ZFS 
changes to ZFS when I mounted.

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My $0.02:
It wouldn't be bad thing to create some chapter in the documentation, or 
redbook with possible (correct) methods for (at least) few basic ZFS/HFS 
operations.
My proposals:
* copy entire ZFS to a new ZFS
* discuss the above with non-equal parameters for source and target (EA, SMS, 
maybe other)
* copy HFS to/from ZFS
* rename, move ZFS
* dump/restore, other forms of backup
* split/merge ZFS -  copy entire tree, etc.
* enlarge ZFS - just grow into extents and what to do if it's not feasible
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Re: Extended format system ZFS files

[R.S.]

My $0.02:
It wouldn't be bad thing to create some chapter in the documentation, or 
redbook with possible (correct) methods for (at least) few basic ZFS/HFS 
operations.

My proposals:
* copy entire ZFS to a new ZFS
* discuss the above with non-equal parameters for source and target (EA, 
SMS, maybe other)

* copy HFS to/from ZFS
* rename, move ZFS
* dump/restore, other forms of backup
* split/merge ZFS -  copy entire tree, etc.
* enlarge ZFS - just grow into extents and what to do if it's not feasible
* shrink ZFS

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Re: Extended format system ZFS files

[Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh]

> Why? What are you afraid of?

That's deep...

I can never be too careful.. but you all have a lot more experience than me and 
can surely make the right call on which option to choose.
The other day, when someone was asking about issuing thousands of RACF 
commands, I remembered my scar from a similar event (firefighting on behalf of 
someone).

- Vignesh
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>Although this is possible and you'd have a backup, I'd rather move chunks of 
>folders at a time using USS-specific tools.


Why? What are you afraid of?


I can't remember all the details, but about 3 years ago we had to copy a really 
large file system into a new cluster (I think because the old one ran out of 
extents). Copying with REPRO turned out to be the fastest option by far. The 
target cluster must be newly allocated and *unformatted*, and both file systems 
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AW: Re: Extended format system ZFS files

[Peter Hunkeler]

>Although this is possible and you'd have a backup, I'd rather move chunks of 
>folders at a time using USS-specific tools.


Why? What are you afraid of?


I can't remember all the details, but about 3 years ago we had to copy a really 
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Re: Extended format system ZFS files

[Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh]

I remember a time when I was stuck in a rut with a zFS and I REPRO'd into a 
VSAM LDS that was formatted with zfsadm.
Turns out you have to allocate a VSAM LDS and REPRO into it directly from the 
source zFS.
That automatically formats the target as a zFS.

Although this is possible and you'd have a backup, I'd rather move chunks of 
folders at a time using USS-specific tools.

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Depends on the size. Repro would be a *VERY BAD* idea. IBM has multiple caveats 
on how to handle ZFS files.
IIRC REPRO is specifically forbidden.

The short answer is delete/define and copy with pax (or copytree).

There is no painless was to get from here to there.

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So I have a question.

Is it possible to convert my z/OS system ZFS files from SMS Extended to Non-SMS 
datasets?

What would be the process?  Repro out and back?  Is there a simpler way?

I know technically this works fine, but I don’t like my system datasets being 
SMS managed and the previous person here set this up.

Thanks

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Re: Extended format system ZFS files

[Shaffer, Terri]

So without getting into a philosophical discussion here, it is 100 times easier 
for cloning and manipulation of ZFS (SYSTEM ONLY) files, when nothing currently 
exists in SMS routines, besides some HLQ's.  Yes I can set this up in SMS and 
build ACS routines and init volumes as SMS, ETC, as I am the storage admin, 
RACF, and sysprog, so everything is doable.  For now, I am going to take the 
path of least resistance for now and just init my secondary RES volume as SMS 
and add to my storage group.

When I install z/OS 2.3, I will fix this and make it non-sms then.

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This question has overtones (undertones?) reminiscent of avoiding PDSE. Just 
isn't necessary. Our HFS/ZFS files have been SMS managed for many years with no 
problems. I'm pretty sure that no particular task is required to open an 
existing file. If DFSMS is broken in some catastrophic way, you have a lot of 
other problems to occupy your attention.

SMS can help a lot for allocating new ZFS to a specific DASD pool and keeping 
out interlopers who shouldn't be there. Not to mention the advantages of EAV.

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If it were me, I'd use DFDSS to copy with rename the filesystems.   If 
applicable, IPL onto the new ones, before deleting the old ones.  I use DFDSS 
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So I have a question.

Is it possible to convert my z/OS system ZFS files from SMS Extended to Non-SMS 
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What would be the process?  Repro out and back?  Is there a simpler way?

I know technically this works fine, but I don’t like my system datasets being 
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Thanks

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Re: Extended format system ZFS files

[Paul Gilmartin]

On 2017-09-19, at 12:55, Allan Staller wrote:
>  
> The short answer is delete/define and copy with pax (or copytree).
>  
I might do that in a different order.

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Re: Extended format system ZFS files

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Does you SMS Storage Class list have one which can be specified to make a 
dataset non SMS managed?  And does your SMS ACS routines test for that non SMS 
storage class and obey your wishes?  If so, then add the STORCLAS parameter to 
your DFDSS copy job along with the destination volume.

Also your storage administrator could set up a Data Class routine to capture 
your new ZFS dataset name and assign it to a non extended data class.  Define 
your new ZFS, then use the Replace parameter on the DFDSS copy.

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[Peter Hunkeler]

>Depends on the size. Repro would be a *VERY BAD* idea. IBM has multiple 
>caveats on how to handle ZFS files.
>IIRC REPRO is specifically forbidden.


This is not true! Read the z/OS Distributed File Service zFS Administration 
guide, and search for REPRO. It is a described way for certain file system 
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Re: Extended format system ZFS files

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This question has overtones (undertones?) reminiscent of avoiding PDSE. Just 
isn't necessary. Our HFS/ZFS files have been SMS managed for many years with no 
problems. I'm pretty sure that no particular task is required to open an 
existing file. If DFSMS is broken in some catastrophic way, you have a lot of 
other problems to occupy your attention. 

SMS can help a lot for allocating new ZFS to a specific DASD pool and keeping 
out interlopers who shouldn't be there. Not to mention the advantages of EAV. 

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If it were me, I'd use DFDSS to copy with rename the filesystems.   If 
applicable, IPL onto the new ones, before deleting the old ones.  I use DFDSS 
to clone filesystems as a regular part of maintenance.   If they are mounted 
READ only, then the DFDSS job can be run anywhere.  If mounted RDWR, you need 
to either unmount, or expect DFDSS to temporarily quiesce the filesystem from 
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What would be the process?  Repro out and back?  Is there a simpler way?

I know technically this works fine, but I don’t like my system datasets being 
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Terri, sorry to lead you astray.  I guess my brain wasn’t in gear this 
afternoon.  The suggestion Allan gave you is probably the best.   If it were my 
decision, it wouldn’t be worth the effort to convert, but next upgrade 
Serverpack, I would make the change.

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Tried that, or to copy and got, I didn’t try to backup/restore.

ADR971E (001)-ALLOC(01), LOGICAL COPY FOR CLUSTER OMVS.RES213.SCFZHFS2 IN 
CATALOG USERCAT.GSD FAILED, 2

Which basically states, only can copy EF to EF format.

And no, they are not using any EF features.  IE, not compressed or >4G in size.

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If it were me, I'd use DFDSS to copy with rename the filesystems.   If 
applicable, IPL onto the new ones, before deleting the old ones.  I use DFDSS 
to clone filesystems as a regular part of maintenance.   If they are mounted 
READ only, then the DFDSS job can be run anywhere.  If mounted RDWR, you need 
to either unmount, or expect DFDSS to temporarily quiesce the filesystem from 
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So I have a question.

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What would be the process?  Repro out and back?  Is there a simpler way?

I know technically this works fine, but I don’t like my system datasets being 
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Thanks

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Re: Extended format system ZFS files

[Shaffer, Terri]

Tried that, or to copy and got, I didn’t try to backup/restore.

ADR971E (001)-ALLOC(01), LOGICAL COPY FOR CLUSTER OMVS.RES213.SCFZHFS2 IN 
CATALOG USERCAT.GSD FAILED, 2

Which basically states, only can copy EF to EF format.

And no, they are not using any EF features.  IE, not compressed or >4G in size.

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If it were me, I'd use DFDSS to copy with rename the filesystems.   If 
applicable, IPL onto the new ones, before deleting the old ones.  I use DFDSS 
to clone filesystems as a regular part of maintenance.   If they are mounted 
READ only, then the DFDSS job can be run anywhere.  If mounted RDWR, you need 
to either unmount, or expect DFDSS to temporarily quiesce the filesystem from 
updates while running.

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What would be the process?  Repro out and back?  Is there a simpler way?

I know technically this works fine, but I don’t like my system datasets being 
SMS managed and the previous person here set this up.

Thanks

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Re: Extended format system ZFS files

[Jousma, David]

BTW, this assumes that none of the ones you want to actually copy, are not 
using extended format features (like size).   My IBM supplied, z/OS filesystems 
are all non-SMS, and live on my sysres volume.

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If it were me, I'd use DFDSS to copy with rename the filesystems.   If 
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to clone filesystems as a regular part of maintenance.   If they are mounted 
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What would be the process?  Repro out and back?  Is there a simpler way?

I know technically this works fine, but I don’t like my system datasets being 
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Thanks

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If it were me, I'd use DFDSS to copy with rename the filesystems.   If 
applicable, IPL onto the new ones, before deleting the old ones.  I use DFDSS 
to clone filesystems as a regular part of maintenance.   If they are mounted 
READ only, then the DFDSS job can be run anywhere.  If mounted RDWR, you need 
to either unmount, or expect DFDSS to temporarily quiesce the filesystem from 
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I know technically this works fine, but I don’t like my system datasets being 
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 I'd back them up and restore to a different name. But if it ain't 
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So I have a question.

Is it possible to convert my z/OS system ZFS files from SMS Extended to 
Non-SMS datasets?


What would be the process? Repro out and back? Is there a simpler way?

I know technically this works fine, but I don’t like my system datasets 
being SMS managed and the previous person here set this up.


Thanks

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Depends on the size. Repro would be a *VERY BAD* idea. IBM has multiple caveats 
on how to handle ZFS files. 
IIRC REPRO is specifically forbidden.

The short answer is delete/define and copy with pax (or copytree).

There is no painless was to get from here to there.

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datasets?

What would be the process?  Repro out and back?  Is there a simpler way?

I know technically this works fine, but I don’t like my system datasets being 
SMS managed and the previous person here set this up.

Thanks

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So I have a question.

Is it possible to convert my z/OS system ZFS files from SMS Extended to Non-SMS 
datasets?

What would be the process?  Repro out and back?  Is there a simpler way?

I know technically this works fine, but I don’t like my system datasets being 
SMS managed and the previous person here set this up.

Thanks

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