Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU <javascript:;> Subject: (External):Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? The association of bugs with computers may go back to the Mark I (I think it was) relay computer at Harvard. An error was traced to a moth between two relay contacts. In the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA there's a copy of the logbook page with the moth pasted in place. The display is near other early computers like the Atanasoff=Berry machine, the Johnniac, a German Enigma and examples of Konrad Zuse's work. If you're in Silicon Valley, I urge you to visit; more info at computerhistory.org . Regards... - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu <javascript:;> with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu <javascript:;> with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN --- --- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- MAIN - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
Wiki quote: In September 1999, _GUIDE International_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUIDE_International) , the other major IBM mainframe users group, ceased operation. Although SHARE did not formally take over GUIDE in the United States, many of the activities and projects that were undertaken under the aegis of GUIDE moved to SHARE, and GUIDE suggested to its members that they join SHARE. In August 2000, SHARE took over the guide.org domain name. In 2005 SHARE's membership of 20,000 represented some 2,300 enterprise IBM customers._[5]_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHARE_(computing)#cite_note-5) In a message dated 3/21/2016 2:26:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, linda.lst...@comcast.net writes: I would love to go to GUIDE, but that one is too much for my budget, all budget items considered. Linda -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
Hi Ed, Good suggestion about the email - except the last time I did that the boss got really pushed out of shape about it! Basically had a line at his door of others wanting to go to SHARE too. So, instead I just send the boss a trip report. I am careful to detail how info from the sessions will be put to use in upcoming work. I would love to go to GUIDE, but that one is too much for my budget, all budget items considered. Linda Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 20, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Ed Gould <edgould1...@comcast.net> wrote: > > Linda: > > All good suggestions. I have also found that after attending that the > employee should write and CC - everyone on the team - a review of the days > attended (and sessions). highlighting any thing that might be of use that you > learned. > > Yes its a PITA but it shows that the sessions are well worth the $$ to > attend. In the far distant past I myself paid the expenses to go to SHARE. Of > course I had 4 weeks of vacation at the time and didn't miss the time off (I > got paid for it). In the more recent past I paid for attendance when it was > in Chicago. No travel and the employer paid for the days in attendance. Of > course the bad experience I had at SCIDS sort of put me off at SHARE, but I > made up for it with some friends that I met up with at SHARE. Also in the > last say 35 years +- I got a lot with hanging out with IBM and not asking > questions (other than what drink did you order). I was lucky as my former SE > was at the WSC and he used to let me in on the gossip there nothing dirty > just fun stuff, like the drunk naked boat water ski that occurred one summer. > Also the IBM rep to our group was retiring and he would let us have insight > (which he probably shouldn't have done as to as to why requirements were > rejected) We just reworded them and resubmitted them. IBM did not like our > group at all as we pounded them with requirements. > > Of the two groups I still prefer GUIDE. > > BTW SHARE was the only group that perfected the brush off, GUIDE, all were > welcome. SHARE's web site it works a few times a year and I just quit using > it. SHARE should fire who is ever maintaining the site. > > Ed >> On Mar 20, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Linda wrote: >> >> Hi Scott, >> >> Does your company have a tuition reimbursement plan? If so, you might be >> able to use that. I have. >> >> It was rare that my employer would cover costs for SHARE for me either. >> >> It can also be possible, depending on your circumstances, to use >> unreimbursed employee business expense deductions on your taxes. Just be >> sure that you check out all of the rules. >> >> If your company can't be persuaded to join, there are other membership >> options. Check out SHARE's website for all of the options. >> >> Documenting the business case for other means of obtaining the timely >> topical training that SHARE provides, can also be very helpful in getting >> the support you need. Even if the best an employer will do is to pay your >> time while you are at SHARE, that is a start. >> >> Also, if your company has ever been burned by anyone who claimed that they >> were going to SHARE, but didn't actually go to SHARE, you will need proof >> that you actually attended. Be sure to keep your SHARE ID. Selfies at >> registration, on the vendor floor, at sessions, etc. can serve as a video >> diary of proof of attendance. >> >> Best of luck to you! >> >> Linda >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Scott Ford <idfzos...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> God I want to talk management into a Share membership, etc. >>> So I can attend sessions and of course meet everyone I have only emailed >>> with.. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Linda <linda.lst...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sweet!! Easy travel distance for me. >>>> >>>> You going? >>>> >>>> Linda >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson <jesse1.robin...@sce.com >>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> SHARE will be back in San Jose March 2017. In the hood. >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> . >>>>> . >>>>> J.O.Skip Robinson >>>>> Southern California Edison Company >>>>> Electric Dragon Team Paddler >>>>> SHARE MVS Progra
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
Linda: All good suggestions. I have also found that after attending that the employee should write and CC - everyone on the team - a review of the days attended (and sessions). highlighting any thing that might be of use that you learned. Yes its a PITA but it shows that the sessions are well worth the $$ to attend. In the far distant past I myself paid the expenses to go to SHARE. Of course I had 4 weeks of vacation at the time and didn't miss the time off (I got paid for it). In the more recent past I paid for attendance when it was in Chicago. No travel and the employer paid for the days in attendance. Of course the bad experience I had at SCIDS sort of put me off at SHARE, but I made up for it with some friends that I met up with at SHARE. Also in the last say 35 years +- I got a lot with hanging out with IBM and not asking questions (other than what drink did you order). I was lucky as my former SE was at the WSC and he used to let me in on the gossip there nothing dirty just fun stuff, like the drunk naked boat water ski that occurred one summer. Also the IBM rep to our group was retiring and he would let us have insight (which he probably shouldn't have done as to as to why requirements were rejected) We just reworded them and resubmitted them. IBM did not like our group at all as we pounded them with requirements. Of the two groups I still prefer GUIDE. BTW SHARE was the only group that perfected the brush off, GUIDE, all were welcome. SHARE's web site it works a few times a year and I just quit using it. SHARE should fire who is ever maintaining the site. Ed On Mar 20, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Linda wrote: Hi Scott, Does your company have a tuition reimbursement plan? If so, you might be able to use that. I have. It was rare that my employer would cover costs for SHARE for me either. It can also be possible, depending on your circumstances, to use unreimbursed employee business expense deductions on your taxes. Just be sure that you check out all of the rules. If your company can't be persuaded to join, there are other membership options. Check out SHARE's website for all of the options. Documenting the business case for other means of obtaining the timely topical training that SHARE provides, can also be very helpful in getting the support you need. Even if the best an employer will do is to pay your time while you are at SHARE, that is a start. Also, if your company has ever been burned by anyone who claimed that they were going to SHARE, but didn't actually go to SHARE, you will need proof that you actually attended. Be sure to keep your SHARE ID. Selfies at registration, on the vendor floor, at sessions, etc. can serve as a video diary of proof of attendance. Best of luck to you! Linda Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Scott Ford <idfzos...@gmail.com> wrote: God I want to talk management into a Share membership, etc. So I can attend sessions and of course meet everyone I have only emailed with.. Scott On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Linda <linda.lst...@comcast.net> wrote: Sweet!! Easy travel distance for me. You going? Linda Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson <jesse1.robin...@sce.com <javascript:;>> wrote: SHARE will be back in San Jose March 2017. In the hood. . . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-302-7535 Office robin...@sce.com <javascript:;> -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- m...@listserv.ua.edu <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of John Ehrman Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU <javascript:;> Subject: (External):Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? The association of bugs with computers may go back to the Mark I (I think it was) relay computer at Harvard. An error was traced to a moth between two relay contacts. In the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA there's a copy of the logbook page with the moth pasted in place. The display is near other early computers like the Atanasoff=Berry machine, the Johnniac, a German Enigma and examples of Konrad Zuse's work. If you're in Silicon Valley, I urge you to visit; more info at computerhistory.org . Regards... --- --- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu <javascript:;> with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu <javascript:;> with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN - -
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
Hi Scott, Does your company have a tuition reimbursement plan? If so, you might be able to use that. I have. It was rare that my employer would cover costs for SHARE for me either. It can also be possible, depending on your circumstances, to use unreimbursed employee business expense deductions on your taxes. Just be sure that you check out all of the rules. If your company can't be persuaded to join, there are other membership options. Check out SHARE's website for all of the options. Documenting the business case for other means of obtaining the timely topical training that SHARE provides, can also be very helpful in getting the support you need. Even if the best an employer will do is to pay your time while you are at SHARE, that is a start. Also, if your company has ever been burned by anyone who claimed that they were going to SHARE, but didn't actually go to SHARE, you will need proof that you actually attended. Be sure to keep your SHARE ID. Selfies at registration, on the vendor floor, at sessions, etc. can serve as a video diary of proof of attendance. Best of luck to you! Linda Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 19, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Scott Ford <idfzos...@gmail.com> wrote: > > God I want to talk management into a Share membership, etc. > So I can attend sessions and of course meet everyone I have only emailed > with.. > > Scott > >> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Linda <linda.lst...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> Sweet!! Easy travel distance for me. >> >> You going? >> >> Linda >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson <jesse1.robin...@sce.com >>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>> >>> SHARE will be back in San Jose March 2017. In the hood. >>> >>> . >>> . >>> . >>> J.O.Skip Robinson >>> Southern California Edison Company >>> Electric Dragon Team Paddler >>> SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager >>> 323-715-0595 Mobile >>> 626-302-7535 Office >>> robin...@sce.com <javascript:;> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of John Ehrman >>> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:17 PM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU <javascript:;> >>> Subject: (External):Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? >>> >>> The association of bugs with computers may go back to the Mark I (I >> think it was) relay computer at Harvard. An error was traced to a moth >> between two relay contacts. >>> >>> In the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA there's a copy of the >> logbook page with the moth pasted in place. The display is near other >> early computers like the Atanasoff=Berry machine, the Johnniac, a German >> Enigma and examples of Konrad Zuse's work. If you're in Silicon Valley, I >> urge you to visit; more info at computerhistory.org . >>> >>> Regards... >>> >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu <javascript:;> with the message: >> INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu <javascript:;> with the message: >> INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
God I want to talk management into a Share membership, etc. So I can attend sessions and of course meet everyone I have only emailed with.. Scott On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Linda <linda.lst...@comcast.net> wrote: > Sweet!! Easy travel distance for me. > > You going? > > Linda > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson <jesse1.robin...@sce.com > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > SHARE will be back in San Jose March 2017. In the hood. > > > > . > > . > > . > > J.O.Skip Robinson > > Southern California Edison Company > > Electric Dragon Team Paddler > > SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager > > 323-715-0595 Mobile > > 626-302-7535 Office > > robin...@sce.com <javascript:;> > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of John Ehrman > > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:17 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU <javascript:;> > > Subject: (External):Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? > > > > The association of bugs with computers may go back to the Mark I (I > think it was) relay computer at Harvard. An error was traced to a moth > between two relay contacts. > > > > In the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA there's a copy of the > logbook page with the moth pasted in place. The display is near other > early computers like the Atanasoff=Berry machine, the Johnniac, a German > Enigma and examples of Konrad Zuse's work. If you're in Silicon Valley, I > urge you to visit; more info at computerhistory.org . > > > > Regards... > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu <javascript:;> with the message: > INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu <javascript:;> with the message: > INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
On 18 Mar 2016 05:18:44 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main Ted wrote: >Relay #70. Was the Grace Hopper quote actually something to the effect that in the case in question it was a real bug (the moth)? Clark Morris > >-teD > Original Message >From: John Ehrman >Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 00:17 >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List >Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? > >The association of bugs with computers may go back to the Mark I (I think >it was) relay computer at Harvard. An error was traced to a moth between >two relay contacts. > >In the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA there's a copy of the >logbook page with the moth pasted in place. The display is near other >early computers like the Atanasoff=Berry machine, the Johnniac, a German >Enigma and examples of Konrad Zuse's work. If you're in Silicon Valley, I >urge you to visit; more info at computerhistory.org . > >Regards... John > > > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
Sweet!! Easy travel distance for me. You going? Linda Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson <jesse1.robin...@sce.com> wrote: > > SHARE will be back in San Jose March 2017. In the hood. > > . > . > . > J.O.Skip Robinson > Southern California Edison Company > Electric Dragon Team Paddler > SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager > 323-715-0595 Mobile > 626-302-7535 Office > robin...@sce.com > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of John Ehrman > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:17 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: (External):Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? > > The association of bugs with computers may go back to the Mark I (I think it > was) relay computer at Harvard. An error was traced to a moth between two > relay contacts. > > In the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA there's a copy of the > logbook page with the moth pasted in place. The display is near other early > computers like the Atanasoff=Berry machine, the Johnniac, a German Enigma and > examples of Konrad Zuse's work. If you're in Silicon Valley, I urge you to > visit; more info at computerhistory.org . > > Regards... > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
I love it when TV touches on real life. Just watched 3/14 (Pi day!) episode of NCIS Los Angeles. "Most people think that Grace Hopper invented the term 'bug'. But Tomas Edison used it in 1878." Couldn't make this up. ;-) . . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-302-7535 Office robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Mattson Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? This story is from my youth, and may be incompletely remembered In Brainerd, MN around 1963 when I was a young teen, I met a fellow who may have been the victim of that "first real BUG". As I remember his story he was in the military, cannot remember which branch, and operating a computer. The thing stopped working and in true military fashion they called out MP's, CID, FBI, CIA and everyone else as they were sure it was communist sabotage. They went over the machine with magnifying glasses, and finger print powder, and grilled this poor fellow, and everyone else within a mile for hours and then days. Finally, after weeks of this someone noticed the moth, covered with layers of finger print powder, and everyone was glad they had caught the commie suicide moth. Well this fellow was very unhappy at his treatment and needless to say, he did not re-enlist. Wonder whatever happened to him. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
The association of bugs with computers may go back to the Mark I (I think it was) relay computer at Harvard. An error was traced to a moth between two relay contacts. In the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA there's a copy of the logbook page with the moth pasted in place. The display is near other early computers like the Atanasoff=Berry machine, the Johnniac, a German Enigma and examples of Konrad Zuse's work. If you're in Silicon Valley, I urge you to visit; more info at computerhistory.org . Regards... John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
This story is from my youth, and may be incompletely remembered In Brainerd, MN around 1963 when I was a young teen, I met a fellow who may have been the victim of that "first real BUG". As I remember his story he was in the military, cannot remember which branch, and operating a computer. The thing stopped working and in true military fashion they called out MP's, CID, FBI, CIA and everyone else as they were sure it was communist sabotage. They went over the machine with magnifying glasses, and finger print powder, and grilled this poor fellow, and everyone else within a mile for hours and then days. Finally, after weeks of this someone noticed the moth, covered with layers of finger print powder, and everyone was glad they had caught the commie suicide moth. Well this fellow was very unhappy at his treatment and needless to say, he did not re-enlist. Wonder whatever happened to him. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
Relay #70. -teD Original Message From: John Ehrman Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 00:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? The association of bugs with computers may go back to the Mark I (I think it was) relay computer at Harvard. An error was traced to a moth between two relay contacts. In the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA there's a copy of the logbook page with the moth pasted in place. The display is near other early computers like the Atanasoff=Berry machine, the Johnniac, a German Enigma and examples of Konrad Zuse's work. If you're in Silicon Valley, I urge you to visit; more info at computerhistory.org . Regards... John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
SHARE will be back in San Jose March 2017. In the hood. . . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-302-7535 Office robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Ehrman Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? The association of bugs with computers may go back to the Mark I (I think it was) relay computer at Harvard. An error was traced to a moth between two relay contacts. In the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA there's a copy of the logbook page with the moth pasted in place. The display is near other early computers like the Atanasoff=Berry machine, the Johnniac, a German Enigma and examples of Konrad Zuse's work. If you're in Silicon Valley, I urge you to visit; more info at computerhistory.org . Regards... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
Yes, it was. -teD Original Message From: Clark Morris Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 09:09 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? On 18 Mar 2016 05:18:44 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main Ted wrote: >Relay #70. Was the Grace Hopper quote actually something to the effect that in the case in question it was a real bug (the moth)? Clark Morris > >-teD > Original Message >From: John Ehrman >Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 00:17 >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List >Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? > >The association of bugs with computers may go back to the Mark I (I think >it was) relay computer at Harvard. An error was traced to a moth between >two relay contacts. > >In the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA there's a copy of the >logbook page with the moth pasted in place. The display is near other >early computers like the Atanasoff=Berry machine, the Johnniac, a German >Enigma and examples of Konrad Zuse's work. If you're in Silicon Valley, I >urge you to visit; more info at computerhistory.org . > >Regards... John > > > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
Smithson. It was a moth caught in relay 71 -teD Original Message From: CM Poncelet Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 22:08 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? AFAIK The original Grace Hopper 'bug' was an actual bug - some kind of moth. There could be a photo of it somewhere. Richard Pinion wrote: >I thought the term debugging came from the days when the first computers >were made from vacuum tubes. The tubes produced light, which in turn >attracted bugs. Periodically, the computer had to be "debugged". > >My source was probably urban legend. > > > >--- wdonze...@gmail.com wrote: > >From: William Donzelli <wdonze...@gmail.com> >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? >Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:56:07 -0400 > >No, she did not. The term "bug", relating to flaws and errors in a >circuit*, shows up a fair amount in 1930s ham radio literature, for >example. > >* "bug" also applies to automatic Morse keys, of course. > >-- >Will > >On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Lindy Mayfield <lindy.mayfi...@sas.com> wrote: > > >>Was watching NCIS Los Angeles and the geek was showing off to the female geek >>by saying Grace Hopper didn't coin the term bug, but Thomas Edison did. >>(Which he probably stole from someone else, probably Tesla, but that just me >>being facetious.) >> >>http://theinstitute.ieee.org/technology-focus/technology-history/did-you-know-edison-coined-the-term-bug >> >>Regards, >>Lindy >> >> >> >>-- >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > >_ >Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
We found one deep in IOS after XA conversion. Simultaneous interrupts, temp errors on tapes, forms check on printers output buffers were not being serialized and often switched. Depending on timing. don't think there was even a dump but corrupted databases and log files. 32 hr production outage. In a message dated 3/16/2016 1:54:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za writes: were both defined improperly, causing the SMF exit to be dropped from z/OS after first execution due to the dynamic nature of those exits. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
Edward Finnell wrote: >Wiki has fairly good syllabus. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug#Etymology Interesting. Very very interesting. Thanks Edward for posting this resource. Good reading for all wannabee bug killers. :-) My least favourite bugs are these bugs called 'Alien' and 'Face Hugger'. That's how the Marines and employees of Weyland-Yutani Corp are referring to them... ;-) My worst bug in real life was when I tried to debug a SMF exit. I found the GETMAIN execute and list forms were both defined improperly, causing the SMF exit to be dropped from z/OS after first execution due to the dynamic nature of those exits. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
Wiki has fairly good syllabus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug#Etymology In a message dated 3/16/2016 1:17:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za writes: Apparently Grace coined the term, but I don't know. But what I know and was told ages ago, the engineers are referring to 'bugs' when they find dead things inside electrical equipment. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Field, Alan wrote: >This? [ long address snipped ] Yes. This is it. I first see that photo of a moth taped to a handwritten note in a university book for Computer Science in year 1987. The book's name is 'Computer' by various authors. There is a paragraph about that moth found and it was believed that moth caused short circuit or something like that. I will come back with the author list, ISBN and the exact text. I believe the US Navy has copyright on that photo. Apparently Grace coined the term, but I don't know. But what I know and was told ages ago, the engineers are referring to 'bugs' when they find dead things inside electrical equipment. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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> I've seen a photo of the actual bug Grace had used to coin the phrase. Yes, the moth was real, but the issue is that she did not coin the phrase. It was well known in the engineering world. -- Will -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I believe that's it. Notice what it says about the "bug" being found in a relay panel. Mitch Mccluhan mitc...@aol.com On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 Field, Alan <alan.fi...@bluecrossmn.com> wrote: This? https://www.google.com/search?q=grace+hopper+bug+picture=1600=760=isch=hd3yOe9lqAoxiM%253A%253BzhUDz8dJ4fjqaM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.wired.com%25252F2013%25252F12%25252Fgoogles-doodle-honors-grace-hopper-and-entomology%25252F=iu=m=hd3yOe9lqAoxiM%253A%252CzhUDz8dJ4fjqaM%252C_=__W_mU2alM863BQxm2C11rLU2w_uc%3D=0ahUKEwijzbnrl8TLAhXqtYMKHTQTA6MQyjcILw=gMjoVqONLerrjgS0poyYCg#imgrc=hd3yOe9lqAoxiM%3A Alan Field Systems Engineer Principal Blue Cross Blue Shield of MN 651.662.3546 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mitch Mccluhan Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 9:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? I've seen a photo of the actual bug Grace had used to coin the phrase. Mitch Mccluhan mitc...@aol.com On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 CM Poncelet <ponce...@bcs.org.uk> wrote: AFAIK The original Grace Hopper 'bug' was an actual bug - some kind of moth. There could be a photo of it somewhere. Richard Pinion wrote: >I thought the term debugging came from the days when the first >computers were made from vacuum tubes. The tubes produced light, which >in turn attracted bugs. Periodically, the computer had to be "debugged". > >My source was probably urban legend. > > > >--- wdonze...@gmail.com wrote: > >From: William Donzelli <wdonze...@gmail.com> >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? >Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:56:07 -0400 > >No, she did not. The term "bug", relating to flaws and errors in a >circuit*, shows up a fair amount in 1930s ham radio literature, for >example. > >* "bug" also applies to automatic Morse keys, of course. > >-- >Will > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Lindy Mayfield <lindy.mayfi...@sas.com> wrote: > > >>Was watching NCIS Los Angeles and the geek was showing off to the >>female geek by saying Grace Hopper didn't coin the term bug, but >>Thomas Edison did. (Which he probably stole from someone else, >>probably Tesla, but that just me being facetious.) >> >>https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__theinstitute.ieee. >>org_technology-2Dfocus_technology-2Dhistory_did-2Dyou-2Dknow-2Dedison- >>2Dcoined-2Dthe-2Dterm-2Dbug=BQICaQ=zjLIypOkeQKJfe4BYrJ5J55pYA-45JE >>lRiaMoh2hP7Q=SaL11MvL9LWz-4CkTmMYltgrRR9mrR4t5HY7AKmOSPE=D9pf2y9wA >>5Mcx0HbXdxOSfm2zlvNj3XNUzRukuvJTtw=VRdEtXtLTT6xbNhIj8uo9wgBYPUAFB1Ko >>q80Zb-mzkE= >> >>Regards, >>Lindy >> >> >> >>-- >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >>email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > >_ >Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you must not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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This? https://www.google.com/search?q=grace+hopper+bug+picture=1600=760=isch=hd3yOe9lqAoxiM%253A%253BzhUDz8dJ4fjqaM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.wired.com%25252F2013%25252F12%25252Fgoogles-doodle-honors-grace-hopper-and-entomology%25252F=iu=m=hd3yOe9lqAoxiM%253A%252CzhUDz8dJ4fjqaM%252C_=__W_mU2alM863BQxm2C11rLU2w_uc%3D=0ahUKEwijzbnrl8TLAhXqtYMKHTQTA6MQyjcILw=gMjoVqONLerrjgS0poyYCg#imgrc=hd3yOe9lqAoxiM%3A Alan Field Systems Engineer Principal Blue Cross Blue Shield of MN 651.662.3546 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mitch Mccluhan Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 9:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? I've seen a photo of the actual bug Grace had used to coin the phrase. Mitch Mccluhan mitc...@aol.com On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 CM Poncelet <ponce...@bcs.org.uk> wrote: AFAIK The original Grace Hopper 'bug' was an actual bug - some kind of moth. There could be a photo of it somewhere. Richard Pinion wrote: >I thought the term debugging came from the days when the first >computers were made from vacuum tubes. The tubes produced light, which >in turn attracted bugs. Periodically, the computer had to be "debugged". > >My source was probably urban legend. > > > >--- wdonze...@gmail.com wrote: > >From: William Donzelli <wdonze...@gmail.com> >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? >Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:56:07 -0400 > >No, she did not. The term "bug", relating to flaws and errors in a >circuit*, shows up a fair amount in 1930s ham radio literature, for >example. > >* "bug" also applies to automatic Morse keys, of course. > >-- >Will > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Lindy Mayfield <lindy.mayfi...@sas.com> wrote: > > >>Was watching NCIS Los Angeles and the geek was showing off to the >>female geek by saying Grace Hopper didn't coin the term bug, but >>Thomas Edison did. (Which he probably stole from someone else, >>probably Tesla, but that just me being facetious.) >> >>https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__theinstitute.ieee. >>org_technology-2Dfocus_technology-2Dhistory_did-2Dyou-2Dknow-2Dedison- >>2Dcoined-2Dthe-2Dterm-2Dbug=BQICaQ=zjLIypOkeQKJfe4BYrJ5J55pYA-45JE >>lRiaMoh2hP7Q=SaL11MvL9LWz-4CkTmMYltgrRR9mrR4t5HY7AKmOSPE=D9pf2y9wA >>5Mcx0HbXdxOSfm2zlvNj3XNUzRukuvJTtw=VRdEtXtLTT6xbNhIj8uo9wgBYPUAFB1Ko >>q80Zb-mzkE= >> >>Regards, >>Lindy >> >> >> >>-- >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >>email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > >_ >Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you must not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I've seen a photo of the actual bug Grace had used to coin the phrase. Mitch Mccluhan mitc...@aol.com On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 CM Poncelet <ponce...@bcs.org.uk> wrote: AFAIK The original Grace Hopper 'bug' was an actual bug - some kind of moth. There could be a photo of it somewhere. Richard Pinion wrote: >I thought the term debugging came from the days when the first computers >were made from vacuum tubes. The tubes produced light, which in turn >attracted bugs. Periodically, the computer had to be "debugged". > >My source was probably urban legend. > > > >--- wdonze...@gmail.com wrote: > >From: William Donzelli <wdonze...@gmail.com> >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? >Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:56:07 -0400 > >No, she did not. The term "bug", relating to flaws and errors in a >circuit*, shows up a fair amount in 1930s ham radio literature, for >example. > >* "bug" also applies to automatic Morse keys, of course. > >-- >Will > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Lindy Mayfield <lindy.mayfi...@sas.com> wrote: > > >>Was watching NCIS Los Angeles and the geek was showing off to the female geek >>by saying Grace Hopper didn't coin the term bug, but Thomas Edison did. >>(Which he probably stole from someone else, probably Tesla, but that just me >>being facetious.) >> >>http://theinstitute.ieee.org/technology-focus/technology-history/did-you-know-edison-coined-the-term-bug >> >>Regards, >>Lindy >> >> >> >>-- >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > >_ >Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
AFAIK The original Grace Hopper 'bug' was an actual bug - some kind of moth. There could be a photo of it somewhere. Richard Pinion wrote: I thought the term debugging came from the days when the first computers were made from vacuum tubes. The tubes produced light, which in turn attracted bugs. Periodically, the computer had to be "debugged". My source was probably urban legend. --- wdonze...@gmail.com wrote: From: William Donzelli <wdonze...@gmail.com> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:56:07 -0400 No, she did not. The term "bug", relating to flaws and errors in a circuit*, shows up a fair amount in 1930s ham radio literature, for example. * "bug" also applies to automatic Morse keys, of course. -- Will On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Lindy Mayfield <lindy.mayfi...@sas.com> wrote: Was watching NCIS Los Angeles and the geek was showing off to the female geek by saying Grace Hopper didn't coin the term bug, but Thomas Edison did. (Which he probably stole from someone else, probably Tesla, but that just me being facetious.) http://theinstitute.ieee.org/technology-focus/technology-history/did-you-know-edison-coined-the-term-bug Regards, Lindy -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
Yeah, I didn't know, thought it was her (she's still an hero of the computer revolution, bugs and all), but when looking I saw wiki is starting an etymological dictionary. Says what you say. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug#Etymology -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of William Donzelli Sent: tiistaina 15. maaliskuuta 2016 19.56 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? No, she did not. The term "bug", relating to flaws and errors in a circuit*, shows up a fair amount in 1930s ham radio literature, for example. * "bug" also applies to automatic Morse keys, of course. -- Wil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Sounds like folk etymology. Too clever, too cute. And not much light in a vacuum tube. . . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-302-7535 Office robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? I thought the term debugging came from the days when the first computers were made from vacuum tubes. The tubes produced light, which in turn attracted bugs. Periodically, the computer had to be "debugged". My source was probably urban legend. --- wdonze...@gmail.com wrote: From: William Donzelli <wdonze...@gmail.com> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:56:07 -0400 No, she did not. The term "bug", relating to flaws and errors in a circuit*, shows up a fair amount in 1930s ham radio literature, for example. * "bug" also applies to automatic Morse keys, of course. -- Will On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Lindy Mayfield <lindy.mayfi...@sas.com> wrote: > Was watching NCIS Los Angeles and the geek was showing off to the > female geek by saying Grace Hopper didn't coin the term bug, but > Thomas Edison did. (Which he probably stole from someone else, > probably Tesla, but that just me being facetious.) > > http://theinstitute.ieee.org/technology-focus/technology-history/did-y > ou-know-edison-coined-the-term-bug > > Regards, > Lindy > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
I thought the term debugging came from the days when the first computers were made from vacuum tubes. The tubes produced light, which in turn attracted bugs. Periodically, the computer had to be "debugged". My source was probably urban legend. --- wdonze...@gmail.com wrote: From: William Donzelli <wdonze...@gmail.com> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Grace didn't coin the term "bug"? Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:56:07 -0400 No, she did not. The term "bug", relating to flaws and errors in a circuit*, shows up a fair amount in 1930s ham radio literature, for example. * "bug" also applies to automatic Morse keys, of course. -- Will On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Lindy Mayfield <lindy.mayfi...@sas.com> wrote: > Was watching NCIS Los Angeles and the geek was showing off to the female geek > by saying Grace Hopper didn't coin the term bug, but Thomas Edison did. > (Which he probably stole from someone else, probably Tesla, but that just me > being facetious.) > > http://theinstitute.ieee.org/technology-focus/technology-history/did-you-know-edison-coined-the-term-bug > > Regards, > Lindy > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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No, she did not. The term "bug", relating to flaws and errors in a circuit*, shows up a fair amount in 1930s ham radio literature, for example. * "bug" also applies to automatic Morse keys, of course. -- Will On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Lindy Mayfield <lindy.mayfi...@sas.com> wrote: > Was watching NCIS Los Angeles and the geek was showing off to the female geek > by saying Grace Hopper didn't coin the term bug, but Thomas Edison did. > (Which he probably stole from someone else, probably Tesla, but that just me > being facetious.) > > http://theinstitute.ieee.org/technology-focus/technology-history/did-you-know-edison-coined-the-term-bug > > Regards, > Lindy > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?
Was watching NCIS Los Angeles and the geek was showing off to the female geek by saying Grace Hopper didn't coin the term bug, but Thomas Edison did. (Which he probably stole from someone else, probably Tesla, but that just me being facetious.) http://theinstitute.ieee.org/technology-focus/technology-history/did-you-know-edison-coined-the-term-bug Regards, Lindy -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
