Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS

2017-09-18 Thread Dejan Stamatovic 
I have been there and I know what you are talking about!
Old solutions can also do the job but lets hope there is a new, better spin to 
that old solution.

Best regards

Dejan Stamatović

CROZ D.O.O.

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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS

2017-09-15 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson 
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On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Paul Gilmartin < 
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:28:37 -0500, John McKown wrote
> >>
> >> Why restrict yourself to 72 characters?  For many releases now, JCL 
> >> has imposed no such restriction on SYSIN.
> >>
> >> Old habits, however detrimental, die hard.
> >
> >​Job may be in a "normal" production JCL library. Trying to convince 
> >a production control person that JCL can be in anything other than an 
> >FB/80 library is likely to be a very frustrating experience. 
> >Sometimes we must
> do
> >things old style just to placate other people.  ...
> >
> Sigh.  Will this take longer than it took to remove the whipsockets 
> from the design of motorcar dashboards?
>

​Oh, wow! I want a whipsocket on my dashboard. I could use it to hold a very 
long bull whip to use on people who are irritating me while I drive.
Why did we ever remove such a useful facility?!?​



>
> OK.  An alternative technology, but alas, newer and subject perhaps to 
> greater future shock:
>
> Define the long data set name in a SET statement.
> code "INPUT DD *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY" to enable substitution of the 
> symbol.
>
> Caution: if the SET precedes an EXEC, astonishing, perhaps undesirable 
> results may occur.
>
> -- gil
>


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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS

2017-09-15 Thread John McKown 
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Paul Gilmartin <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:28:37 -0500, John McKown wrote
> >>
> >> Why restrict yourself to 72 characters?  For many releases now, JCL
> >> has imposed no such restriction on SYSIN.
> >>
> >> Old habits, however detrimental, die hard.
> >
> >​Job may be in a "normal" production JCL library. Trying to convince a
> >production control person that JCL can be in anything other than an FB/80
> >library is likely to be a very frustrating experience. Sometimes we must
> do
> >things old style just to placate other people.  ...
> >
> Sigh.  Will this take longer than it took to remove the whipsockets from
> the design of motorcar dashboards?
>

​Oh, wow! I want a whipsocket on my dashboard. I could use it to hold a
very long bull whip to use on people who are irritating me while I drive.
Why did we ever remove such a useful facility?!?​



>
> OK.  An alternative technology, but alas, newer and subject perhaps to
> greater future shock:
>
> Define the long data set name in a SET statement.
> code "INPUT DD *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY" to enable substitution of the
> symbol.
>
> Caution: if the SET precedes an EXEC, astonishing, perhaps undesirable
> results may occur.
>
> -- gil
>


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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS

2017-09-15 Thread willie bunter 
Thanks John, I will try out your suggestion. 
Thanks to all who responded and help.

  From: John McKown <john.archie.mck...@gmail.com>
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 Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:23 AM
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On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 7:54 AM, willie bunter <
001409bd2345-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> John,
> Quick question.  Could you tell me how I can continue on the next line.
> For example :mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'
> (REAllocate
>
> If the output disn has more characters I run out of space .  I  tried
> typing + as a continuation (in col 72) and then on the next lineI typed '
> (REAllocate.
> mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'
>    +(REAllocate
>
>  However the command didn't work because of unbalanced parenthesis.  Do
> you have a solution?
>

​Hum, seems like it should work according to
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.halu001/ftpreq.htm

mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCJ' 'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW' +
  (REALLOCATE

or maybe try

mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCJ' +
      'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'  (REALLOCATE





> Thanks.      From: John McKown <john.archie.mck...@gmail.com>
>  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>  Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:04 PM
>  Subject: Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS
>
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Cieri, Anthony <aci...@seic.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >        If you are transferring a PDS from one MVS LPAR to another and
> > creating the target PDS, couldn't you use:
> >
> >        mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'
> > (REAllocate
>
>
> ​Oh, that is good. I'm still stuck on z/OS 1.12, so I'm not up on the
> newest and greatest FTP commands. I need to go read the 2.3 books on that
> to see what other goodies exist.​
>
>
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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS

2017-09-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:28:37 -0500, John McKown wrote
>>
>> Why restrict yourself to 72 characters?  For many releases now, JCL
>> has imposed no such restriction on SYSIN.
>>
>> Old habits, however detrimental, die hard.
>
>​Job may be in a "normal" production JCL library. Trying to convince a
>production control person that JCL can be in anything other than an FB/80
>library is likely to be a very frustrating experience. Sometimes we must do
>things old style just to placate other people.  ...
> 
Sigh.  Will this take longer than it took to remove the whipsockets from
the design of motorcar dashboards?

OK.  An alternative technology, but alas, newer and subject perhaps to
greater future shock:

Define the long data set name in a SET statement.
code "INPUT DD *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY" to enable substitution of the
symbol.

Caution: if the SET precedes an EXEC, astonishing, perhaps undesirable
results may occur.

-- gil

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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS

2017-09-15 Thread John McKown 
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Paul Gilmartin <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 12:54:06 +, willie bunter  wrote:
>
> >John,
> >Quick question.  Could you tell me how I can continue on the next line.
> For example :mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'
> (REAllocate
> >
> >If the output disn has more characters I run out of space .  I  tried
> typing + as a continuation (in col 72) and then on the next lineI typed '
> (REAllocate.
> >mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'
>+(REAllocate
> >
> Why restrict yourself to 72 characters?  For many releases now, JCL
> has imposed no such restriction on SYSIN.
>
> Old habits, however detrimental, die hard.
>

​Job may be in a "normal" production JCL library. Trying to convince a
production control person that JCL can be in anything other than an FB/80
library is likely to be a very frustrating experience. Sometimes we must do
things old style just to placate other people. Yes, it would be nice to
educate people. But it can be _impossible_ in some cases. I had a JCL
checker which I set up to do a WARNING if the JCL contained obsolete but
acceptable parameters. I was raked over the coals by a programmer who "has
been coding JCL for over 25 years, damn it!" when I flagged a SEP= in his
JCL. He _refused_ to stop coding it. And he complained up the chain that
the JCL checker was broken because it flagged the statement as "accepted by
unneeded". He demanded it be changed to not issue the warning because it
was distracting to him and "hiding" any "real problems".



>
> -- gil
>
>

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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS

2017-09-15 Thread John McKown 
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 7:54 AM, willie bunter <
001409bd2345-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> John,
> Quick question.  Could you tell me how I can continue on the next line.
> For example :mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'
> (REAllocate
>
> If the output disn has more characters I run out of space .  I  tried
> typing + as a continuation (in col 72) and then on the next lineI typed '
> (REAllocate.
> mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'
>+(REAllocate
>
>   However the command didn't work because of unbalanced parenthesis.  Do
> you have a solution?
>

​Hum, seems like it should work according to
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.halu001/ftpreq.htm

mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCJ' 'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW' +
  (REALLOCATE

or maybe try

mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCJ' +
   'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'  (REALLOCATE





> Thanks.  From: John McKown <john.archie.mck...@gmail.com>
>  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>  Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:04 PM
>  Subject: Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS
>
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Cieri, Anthony <aci...@seic.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >If you are transferring a PDS from one MVS LPAR to another and
> > creating the target PDS, couldn't you use:
> >
> >mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'
> > (REAllocate
>
>
> ​Oh, that is good. I'm still stuck on z/OS 1.12, so I'm not up on the
> newest and greatest FTP commands. I need to go read the 2.3 books on that
> to see what other goodies exist.​
>
>
> --
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> would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn
>
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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS

2017-09-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 12:54:06 +, willie bunter  wrote:

>John,
>Quick question.  Could you tell me how I can continue on the next line.  For 
>example :mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW' 
>(REAllocate
>
>If the output disn has more characters I run out of space .  I  tried typing + 
>as a continuation (in col 72) and then on the next lineI typed ' (REAllocate.
>mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'                
>+(REAllocate
> 
Why restrict yourself to 72 characters?  For many releases now, JCL
has imposed no such restriction on SYSIN.

Old habits, however detrimental, die hard.

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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS - CORRECTION

2017-09-15 Thread willie bunter 
Sorry it wasn't parenthesis but: Mismatched quotes on pathname 
'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'(REAllocate

  From: willie bunter <001409bd2345-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
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 Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:54 AM
 Subject: Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS
   
John,
Quick question.  Could you tell me how I can continue on the next line.  For 
example :mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW' 
(REAllocate

If the output disn has more characters I run out of space .  I  tried typing + 
as a continuation (in col 72) and then on the next lineI typed ' (REAllocate.
mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'                
+(REAllocate

  However the command didn't work because of unbalanced parenthesis.  Do you 
have a solution?
Thanks.      From: John McKown <john.archie.mck...@gmail.com>
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
 Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:04 PM
 Subject: Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS
  
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Cieri, Anthony <aci...@seic.com> wrote:

>
>        If you are transferring a PDS from one MVS LPAR to another and
> creating the target PDS, couldn't you use:
>
>        mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'
> (REAllocate


​Oh, that is good. I'm still stuck on z/OS 1.12, so I'm not up on the
newest and greatest FTP commands. I need to go read the 2.3 books on that
to see what other goodies exist.​


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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS

2017-09-15 Thread willie bunter 
John,
Quick question.  Could you tell me how I can continue on the next line.  For 
example :mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW' 
(REAllocate

If the output disn has more characters I run out of space .  I  tried typing + 
as a continuation (in col 72) and then on the next lineI typed ' (REAllocate.
mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'                
+(REAllocate

  However the command didn't work because of unbalanced parenthesis.  Do you 
have a solution?
Thanks.  From: John McKown <john.archie.mck...@gmail.com>
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
 Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:04 PM
 Subject: Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS
   
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Cieri, Anthony <aci...@seic.com> wrote:

>
>        If you are transferring a PDS from one MVS LPAR to another and
> creating the target PDS, couldn't you use:
>
>        mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'
> (REAllocate


​Oh, that is good. I'm still stuck on z/OS 1.12, so I'm not up on the
newest and greatest FTP commands. I need to go read the 2.3 books on that
to see what other goodies exist.​


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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS

2017-09-07 Thread John McKown 
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Cieri, Anthony  wrote:

>
> If you are transferring a PDS from one MVS LPAR to another and
> creating the target PDS, couldn't you use:
>
> mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'
> (REAllocate


​Oh, that is good. I'm still stuck on z/OS 1.12, so I'm not up on the
newest and greatest FTP commands. I need to go read the 2.3 books on that
to see what other goodies exist.​


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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS

2017-09-07 Thread Cieri, Anthony 

If you are transferring a PDS from one MVS LPAR to another and creating 
the target PDS, couldn't you use:

mvsput 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'  
(REAllocate


  

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On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:47 AM, willie bunter < 
001409bd2345-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> John,
>
> I am stuck again.  Would you have the parm when FTPing a PDS/PDSE?
>
> I tried the following:
>
>  QUOTE SITE PRI=50 SEC=20 CYL
>  MPUT 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL(*)' +
>   'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'
>  QUIT
>
>
​That MPUT command just looks "wrong" to me. I am assuming that you want to 
send all the members in FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL to a new PDSE called 
DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW. What I think you need is akin to:


-- use the next two if transferring within same z/OS system (don't key in this 
line) quote site pri=50 sec=20 cyl mkdir 'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILD.JCL.NEW' (like 
'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL
-- or use the next two if the receiving dataset is on a different z/OS system 
(don't key in this line) quote site lrecl=? recfm=? pri=50 sec=20 cyl dir=100 
pdstype=pdse mkdir 'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILD.JCL.NEW'​
​-- common commands (don't key in this line) cd 'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILD.JCL.NEW'
lcd 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'
prompt
mput *
bye

You can use the first "quote & mkdir" lines - the one with the "(like ..."
- only if the FTP.--- DSN is on the system from which you are doing the ftp, 
which is not likely. If you're sending from one z/OS to another, then use the 
"quote site" and the second "mkdir"​. You must use the "cd" command to direct 
the output into the DRP.--- dataset. You must use the "lcd"
command to read the member from the FTP.--- dataset. I put in the "prompt"
command to disable the normal prompt for confirming the transfer of each 
member. The "mput *' actually transfer the members from the FTP.--- to the
DRP.--- dataset.


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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS

2017-09-07 Thread John McKown 
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:47 AM, willie bunter <
001409bd2345-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> John,
>
> I am stuck again.  Would you have the parm when FTPing a PDS/PDSE?
>
> I tried the following:
>
>  QUOTE SITE PRI=50 SEC=20 CYL
>  MPUT 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL(*)' +
>   'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'
>  QUIT
>
>
​That MPUT command just looks "wrong" to me. I am assuming that you want to
send all the members in FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL to a new PDSE called
DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW. What I think you need is akin to:


-- use the next two if transferring within same z/OS system (don't key in
this line)
quote site pri=50 sec=20 cyl
mkdir 'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILD.JCL.NEW' (like 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL
-- or use the next two if the receiving dataset is on a different z/OS
system (don't key in this line)
quote site lrecl=? recfm=? pri=50 sec=20 cyl dir=100 pdstype=pdse
mkdir 'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILD.JCL.NEW'​
​-- common commands (don't key in this line)
cd 'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILD.JCL.NEW'
lcd 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL'
prompt
mput *
bye

You can use the first "quote & mkdir" lines - the one with the "(like ..."
- only if the FTP.--- DSN is on the system from which you are doing the
ftp, which is not likely. If you're sending from one z/OS to another, then
use the "quote site" and the second "mkdir"​. You must use the "cd" command
to direct the output into the DRP.--- dataset. You must use the "lcd"
command to read the member from the FTP.--- dataset. I put in the "prompt"
command to disable the normal prompt for confirming the transfer of each
member. The "mput *' actually transfer the members from the FTP.--- to the
DRP.--- dataset.


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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE - FTP PDS

2017-09-07 Thread willie bunter 
John,

I am stuck again.  Would you have the parm when FTPing a PDS/PDSE?

I tried the following:

 QUOTE SITE PRI=50 SEC=20 CYL  
 MPUT 'FTP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL(*)' +  
  'DRP.V8050.MVS.BUILDJCL.NEW'   
 QUIT  


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 Subject: Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE
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 Received: Friday, September 1, 2017, 11:27 AM
 
 On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM,
 willie bunter <
 001409bd2345-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
 wrote:
 
 > Good Day To
 All,
 >
 >      I am
 trying to FTP a dsn of 90 cylinders from one MAINFRAME Lpar
 to
 > another.  The FTP function is
 unsuccessful because of a space abend.
 >
 > Would anybody have an
 example of how to code the space parm in the FTP
 > batch job?
 >
 > I thought about pre-allocation the dsn on
 the target LPAR.  This works
 > however
 because of other dsns which will be FTP'd, the size of
 the dsns are
 > not known because the
 application batch jobs are run overnight.
 >
 > I looked at IBM
 KNOWLEDGE CENTER but I couldn't find anything that
 would
 > satisfy my  requirement.
 >
 > Here is my
 batchjob.  Please note I blanked out the IP address.
 >
 > //STEPFTP  EXEC
 PGM=FTP,REGION=4096K,TIME=5,
 > //
 PARM='1XX.1XX.XX.XXX
 > //SYSPRINT DD
 SYSOUT=*
 > //OUTPUT   DD SYSOUT=*
 > //INPUT      DD *
 >  O00070 PASSWORD
 >
 
 ​QUOTE SITE PRI=20 SEC=20
 CYL​
 
 
 
 >  PUT 'O00070.OTTCAUDR.AUDITLOG'
 +
 >      
 'O00070.OTTCAUDR.AUDITLOG'
 > 
 QUIT
 > /*
 > //
 >
 > Thanks.
 >
 
 ​The
 QUOTE SITE above is equivalent to SPACE=(CYL,(20,20))​. Of
 course,
 this is a "hard coded"
 value which may be too large for some DSNs and not
 large enough for others. If you need something
 which "dynamically adjusts"
 the
 values, then you'll need to do more work. FTP itself
 cannot do this for
 you.
 
 
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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Barry 
Also, consider the recently added FTP sub-commands MVSPUT and MVSGET, if at 
z/OS V2R2 or higher -- these commands do supply SPACE attributes and 
directory-blocks, where required.

Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.

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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE

2017-09-01 Thread willie bunter 
John,

Thanks for your help. It worked.  Thanks to all who helped me out.

Charlesl,

I will try take a look at the site you suggested. 

On Fri, 9/1/17, John McKown <john.archie.mck...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Received: Friday, September 1, 2017, 11:27 AM
 
 On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM,
 willie bunter <
 001409bd2345-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
 wrote:
 
 > Good Day To
 All,
 >
 >      I am
 trying to FTP a dsn of 90 cylinders from one MAINFRAME Lpar
 to
 > another.  The FTP function is
 unsuccessful because of a space abend.
 >
 > Would anybody have an
 example of how to code the space parm in the FTP
 > batch job?
 >
 > I thought about pre-allocation the dsn on
 the target LPAR.  This works
 > however
 because of other dsns which will be FTP'd, the size of
 the dsns are
 > not known because the
 application batch jobs are run overnight.
 >
 > I looked at IBM
 KNOWLEDGE CENTER but I couldn't find anything that
 would
 > satisfy my  requirement.
 >
 > Here is my
 batchjob.  Please note I blanked out the IP address.
 >
 > //STEPFTP  EXEC
 PGM=FTP,REGION=4096K,TIME=5,
 > //
 PARM='1XX.1XX.XX.XXX
 > //SYSPRINT DD
 SYSOUT=*
 > //OUTPUT   DD SYSOUT=*
 > //INPUT      DD *
 >  O00070 PASSWORD
 >
 
 ​QUOTE SITE PRI=20 SEC=20
 CYL​
 
 
 
 >  PUT 'O00070.OTTCAUDR.AUDITLOG'
 +
 >      
 'O00070.OTTCAUDR.AUDITLOG'
 > 
 QUIT
 > /*
 > //
 >
 > Thanks.
 >
 
 ​The
 QUOTE SITE above is equivalent to SPACE=(CYL,(20,20))​. Of
 course,
 this is a "hard coded"
 value which may be too large for some DSNs and not
 large enough for others. If you need something
 which "dynamically adjusts"
 the
 values, then you'll need to do more work. FTP itself
 cannot do this for
 you.
 
 
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE

2017-09-01 Thread Craig Pace 
Allow SMS to do the work for you of releasing the space.  Allocate the files 
using the QUOTE SITE with enough space to handle the largest transfer (plus 
growth), assign to SMS classes that will release the unused space and then 
allow SMS to do the work for you during the normal SMS reclaim processing.  You 
will lose space for some time, but not until the data set is deleted.

Craig


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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE

2017-09-01 Thread Charles Mills 
> If you need something which "dynamically adjusts"
> the values, then you'll need to do more work. FTP itself cannot do this for
> you.

Yeah, SENDSITE automagically sends the RECFM and so forth but not the space 
requirements. Go figure.

And I don't think FTP supports RLSE, which would effectively provide 
appropriate sizing (allocate as large the largest dataset you anticipate 
transferring; RLSE the excess).

Some very clever use of Rexx might allow you to dynamically build and run an 
IEFBR14 on the remote site that would allocate the appropriate size.

Charles


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On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM, willie bunter < 
001409bd2345-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Good Day To All,
>
>  I am trying to FTP a dsn of 90 cylinders from one MAINFRAME Lpar 
> to another.  The FTP function is unsuccessful because of a space abend.
>
> Would anybody have an example of how to code the space parm in the FTP 
> batch job?
>
> I thought about pre-allocation the dsn on the target LPAR.  This works 
> however because of other dsns which will be FTP'd, the size of the 
> dsns are not known because the application batch jobs are run overnight.
>
> I looked at IBM KNOWLEDGE CENTER but I couldn't find anything that 
> would satisfy my  requirement.
>
> Here is my batchjob.  Please note I blanked out the IP address.
>
> //STEPFTP  EXEC PGM=FTP,REGION=4096K,TIME=5, // PARM='1XX.1XX.XX.XXX 
> //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
> //OUTPUT   DD SYSOUT=*
> //INPUT  DD *
>  O00070 PASSWORD
>

​QUOTE SITE PRI=20 SEC=20 CYL​



>  PUT 'O00070.OTTCAUDR.AUDITLOG' +
>   'O00070.OTTCAUDR.AUDITLOG'
>  QUIT
> /*
> //
>
> Thanks.
>

​The QUOTE SITE above is equivalent to SPACE=(CYL,(20,20))​. Of course,
this is a "hard coded" value which may be too large for some DSNs and not
large enough for others. If you need something which "dynamically adjusts"
the values, then you'll need to do more work. FTP itself cannot do this for
you.

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE

2017-09-01 Thread Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA) 
If you're going to be doing that a lot check out my FTPBATCH ISPF dialog that 
can do the FTP in the foreground or generate batch JCL.

It can be found at www.lbdsoftware.com or in CBTTAPE.ORG file 312


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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE

Look up the SITE subcommand. 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.halu001/site.htm
 Look at CYLinders and so forth.

Charles


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Subject: FTP JCL EXAMPLE

Good Day To All,

 I am trying to FTP a dsn of 90 cylinders from one MAINFRAME Lpar to 
another.  The FTP function is unsuccessful because of a space abend.

Would anybody have an example of how to code the space parm in the FTP batch 
job? 

I thought about pre-allocation the dsn on the target LPAR.  This works however 
because of other dsns which will be FTP'd, the size of the dsns are not known 
because the application batch jobs are run overnight.

I looked at IBM KNOWLEDGE CENTER but I couldn't find anything that would 
satisfy my  requirement. 

Here is my batchjob.  Please note I blanked out the IP address.

//STEPFTP  EXEC PGM=FTP,REGION=4096K,TIME=5,  
// PARM='1XX.1XX.XX.XXX   
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//OUTPUT   DD SYSOUT=*
//INPUT  DD * 
 O00070 PASSWORD  
 PUT 'O00070.OTTCAUDR.AUDITLOG' + 
  'O00070.OTTCAUDR.AUDITLOG'  
 QUIT 
/*
//

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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE

2017-09-01 Thread John McKown 
On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM, willie bunter <
001409bd2345-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Good Day To All,
>
>  I am trying to FTP a dsn of 90 cylinders from one MAINFRAME Lpar to
> another.  The FTP function is unsuccessful because of a space abend.
>
> Would anybody have an example of how to code the space parm in the FTP
> batch job?
>
> I thought about pre-allocation the dsn on the target LPAR.  This works
> however because of other dsns which will be FTP'd, the size of the dsns are
> not known because the application batch jobs are run overnight.
>
> I looked at IBM KNOWLEDGE CENTER but I couldn't find anything that would
> satisfy my  requirement.
>
> Here is my batchjob.  Please note I blanked out the IP address.
>
> //STEPFTP  EXEC PGM=FTP,REGION=4096K,TIME=5,
> // PARM='1XX.1XX.XX.XXX
> //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
> //OUTPUT   DD SYSOUT=*
> //INPUT  DD *
>  O00070 PASSWORD
>

​QUOTE SITE PRI=20 SEC=20 CYL​



>  PUT 'O00070.OTTCAUDR.AUDITLOG' +
>   'O00070.OTTCAUDR.AUDITLOG'
>  QUIT
> /*
> //
>
> Thanks.
>

​The QUOTE SITE above is equivalent to SPACE=(CYL,(20,20))​. Of course,
this is a "hard coded" value which may be too large for some DSNs and not
large enough for others. If you need something which "dynamically adjusts"
the values, then you'll need to do more work. FTP itself cannot do this for
you.


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Re: FTP JCL EXAMPLE

2017-09-01 Thread Charles Mills 
Look up the SITE subcommand. 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.halu001/site.htm
 Look at CYLinders and so forth.

Charles


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Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 8:19 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: FTP JCL EXAMPLE

Good Day To All,

 I am trying to FTP a dsn of 90 cylinders from one MAINFRAME Lpar to 
another.  The FTP function is unsuccessful because of a space abend.

Would anybody have an example of how to code the space parm in the FTP batch 
job? 

I thought about pre-allocation the dsn on the target LPAR.  This works however 
because of other dsns which will be FTP'd, the size of the dsns are not known 
because the application batch jobs are run overnight.

I looked at IBM KNOWLEDGE CENTER but I couldn't find anything that would 
satisfy my  requirement. 

Here is my batchjob.  Please note I blanked out the IP address.

//STEPFTP  EXEC PGM=FTP,REGION=4096K,TIME=5,  
// PARM='1XX.1XX.XX.XXX   
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//OUTPUT   DD SYSOUT=*
//INPUT  DD * 
 O00070 PASSWORD  
 PUT 'O00070.OTTCAUDR.AUDITLOG' + 
  'O00070.OTTCAUDR.AUDITLOG'  
 QUIT 
/*
//

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