Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance
The timer code was different for S/360 and S/370 and I believe that OS/360 set some control registers when generated for a S/370. There were 3rd party mods to increase the memory limits of some models. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance I didn’t add that; that's just what happens where altavista.com redirects to. What I changed, the second time around, was removing "https:\\" from the URL, since I suspected (apparently correctly) that it's what triggered that safe-link thing. I suppose the suffix is added to help inform someone how many dinosaurs are using the internet. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* I have adhered to my rule of never criticising any measure of war or policy after the event, unless I had before expressed publicly or formally my opinion or warning about itLet no one look down on those honourable, well-meaning men whose actions are chronicled in these pages, without searching his own heart, reviewing his own discharge of public duty, and applying the lessons of the past to his future conduct. -from the preface of "The Gathering Storm", volume I of Winston Churchill's history of WWII */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Dave Wade Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 04:39 adding the "fr=altavista" doesn't change the results, what you get is the answer according to Microsoft, or more precisely BING. --- On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 05:43:20 -0500, Bob Bridges wrote: >THAT's how that URL came across?! Maybe it'll survive better if I >leave off the "https": > > search.yahoo.com/?fr=altavista -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance
I didn’t add that; that's just what happens where altavista.com redirects to. What I changed, the second time around, was removing "https:\\" from the URL, since I suspected (apparently correctly) that it's what triggered that safe-link thing. I suppose the suffix is added to help inform someone how many dinosaurs are using the internet. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* I have adhered to my rule of never criticising any measure of war or policy after the event, unless I had before expressed publicly or formally my opinion or warning about itLet no one look down on those honourable, well-meaning men whose actions are chronicled in these pages, without searching his own heart, reviewing his own discharge of public duty, and applying the lessons of the past to his future conduct. -from the preface of "The Gathering Storm", volume I of Winston Churchill's history of WWII */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Dave Wade Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 04:39 adding the "fr=altavista" doesn't change the results, what you get is the answer according to Microsoft, or more precisely BING. --- On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 05:43:20 -0500, Bob Bridges wrote: >THAT's how that URL came across?! Maybe it'll survive better if I >leave off the "https": > > search.yahoo.com/?fr=altavista -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 05:43:20 -0500, Bob Bridges wrote: >THAT's how that URL came across?! Maybe it'll survive better if I leave off >the "https": > > search.yahoo.com/?fr=altavista > adding the "fr=altavista" doesn't change the results, what you get is the answer according to Microsoft, or more precisely BING. >--- >Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > >/* I'm not a fatalist. But even if I were, what could I do about it? -Emo >Philips */ > Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance
Did I mention that I hate URL rewriters? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 5:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance THAT's how that URL came across?! Maybe it'll survive better if I leave off the "https": search.yahoo.com/?fr=altavista --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* I'm not a fatalist. But even if I were, what could I do about it? -Emo Philips */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 05:17 Alta Vista? That's a blast from the past. I miss the old Deja Vu, before google bought it and destroyed the user interface. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 11:12 PM I never got into the habit of using Google. When I want to do a web search, I type "altavista" into my browser (or just "al", usually) and it takes me to https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yah%2F=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7Cbc1d577e341e404edf1608db1a41d5e4%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C638132642289642627%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=w%2Bucy9rTborX1ydD2rgf5sBbJ8cBOTELFw%2FBvCyIXn0%3D=0 oo.com%2F%3Ffr%3Daltavista=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7Cc8bcfeeda392489 53f2908db1a0b3103%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C6381324075882 98317%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik 1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=gGQbt2Z8W%2FwbaFmg8Nn9voMxxitm%2B qv0y7l%2Fch%2B990s%3D=0. Sure, I'm a dinosaur. But I find things I need, so I see no need to change my habits. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance
THAT's how that URL came across?! Maybe it'll survive better if I leave off the "https": search.yahoo.com/?fr=altavista --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* I'm not a fatalist. But even if I were, what could I do about it? -Emo Philips */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 05:17 Alta Vista? That's a blast from the past. I miss the old Deja Vu, before google bought it and destroyed the user interface. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 11:12 PM I never got into the habit of using Google. When I want to do a web search, I type "altavista" into my browser (or just "al", usually) and it takes me to https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yah oo.com%2F%3Ffr%3Daltavista=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7Cc8bcfeeda392489 53f2908db1a0b3103%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C6381324075882 98317%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik 1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=gGQbt2Z8W%2FwbaFmg8Nn9voMxxitm%2B qv0y7l%2Fch%2B990s%3D=0. Sure, I'm a dinosaur. But I find things I need, so I see no need to change my habits. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance
Alta Vista? That's a blast from the past. I miss the old Deja Vu, before google bought it and destroyed the user interface. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 11:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance I never got into the habit of using Google. When I want to do a web search, I type "altavista" into my browser (or just "al", usually) and it takes me to https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yahoo.com%2F%3Ffr%3Daltavista=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7Cc8bcfeeda39248953f2908db1a0b3103%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C638132407588298317%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=gGQbt2Z8W%2FwbaFmg8Nn9voMxxitm%2Bqv0y7l%2Fch%2B990s%3D=0. Sure, I'm a dinosaur. But I find things I need, so I see no need to change my habits. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* to keep on forgiving the bossy mother-in-law, the bullying husband, the nagging wife, the selfish daughter, the deceitful son -- how can we do it? Only, I think, by remembering where we stand, by meaning our words when we say in our prayers each night, "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." We are offered forgiveness on no other terms. -C S Lewis, _On Forgiveness_ */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 17:33 The google search engine is really terrible, and I welcome challengers that are more interested in accurate hits than in product placement. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance
I never got into the habit of using Google. When I want to do a web search, I type "altavista" into my browser (or just "al", usually) and it takes me to https://search.yahoo.com/?fr=altavista. Sure, I'm a dinosaur. But I find things I need, so I see no need to change my habits. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* to keep on forgiving the bossy mother-in-law, the bullying husband, the nagging wife, the selfish daughter, the deceitful son -- how can we do it? Only, I think, by remembering where we stand, by meaning our words when we say in our prayers each night, "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." We are offered forgiveness on no other terms. -C S Lewis, _On Forgiveness_ */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 17:33 The google search engine is really terrible, and I welcome challengers that are more interested in accurate hits than in product placement. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance
The IBM Consent Decree (which ran from 1956 until 2001 for its last provisions) probably had a far bigger impact on IBM's business strategy and options ... just harder to analyze. It didn't directly affect either the rise or decline of the mainframe :) https://www.justice.gov/archive/atr/public/press_releases/1996/0715.htm On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 10:50 AM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Google has its own chatbot. Still, chatbots are years away from reliable > use. MSFT’s has been shown to be somewhat unreliable. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 5:00 PM, David Crayford < > dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > IBM appears to have returned to its strength of conducting top-class > research and development, which was always its forte. However, as the > saying goes, nothing lasts forever. Google's reign as the world's > dominant force may be the next to end. It seems that ChatGPT is on track > to disrupt Google Search to such an extent that it will become > irrelevant, and Microsoft is well-positioned to take advantage of the > situation. While many people criticize Microsoft, it was a brilliant > move by CEO Satya Nadella to reinvent the company, much like Lou > Gerstner did with IBM in the 1990s. Those were certainly the days! > > > On 1/3/23 05:15, Phil Smith III wrote: > > https://spectrum.ieee.org/ibms-fall-from-world-dominance > > > > > > > > Not negative overall, just recognizing that things have changed, for the > > most part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance
Google has its own chatbot. Still, chatbots are years away from reliable use. MSFT’s has been shown to be somewhat unreliable. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 5:00 PM, David Crayford wrote: IBM appears to have returned to its strength of conducting top-class research and development, which was always its forte. However, as the saying goes, nothing lasts forever. Google's reign as the world's dominant force may be the next to end. It seems that ChatGPT is on track to disrupt Google Search to such an extent that it will become irrelevant, and Microsoft is well-positioned to take advantage of the situation. While many people criticize Microsoft, it was a brilliant move by CEO Satya Nadella to reinvent the company, much like Lou Gerstner did with IBM in the 1990s. Those were certainly the days! On 1/3/23 05:15, Phil Smith III wrote: > https://spectrum.ieee.org/ibms-fall-from-world-dominance > > > > Not negative overall, just recognizing that things have changed, for the > most part. > > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance
The google search engine is really terrible, and I welcome challengers that are more interested in accurate hits than in product placement. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 5:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance IBM appears to have returned to its strength of conducting top-class research and development, which was always its forte. However, as the saying goes, nothing lasts forever. Google's reign as the world's dominant force may be the next to end. It seems that ChatGPT is on track to disrupt Google Search to such an extent that it will become irrelevant, and Microsoft is well-positioned to take advantage of the situation. While many people criticize Microsoft, it was a brilliant move by CEO Satya Nadella to reinvent the company, much like Lou Gerstner did with IBM in the 1990s. Those were certainly the days! On 1/3/23 05:15, Phil Smith III wrote: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fspectrum.ieee.org%2Fibms-fall-from-world-dominance=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C27c1687360cb4bf9ee0808db19d73ab4%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C638132184427838862%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=qBi82V6FMljPRrTvRSfZOI4s5p8F3PK5vZt%2Br8qIgio%3D=0 > > > > Not negative overall, just recognizing that things have changed, for the > most part. > > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 17:11:20 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote: >... > >While I'm at it, suppose that IBM management had been successful >in dumping VM? How would they do cloud? > How would they do PR/SM? >Just wondering -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance
And IIRC, the Hollerith company who invented the tabulating machine that counted the census was one of the 3 smaller companies that merged into what became IBM. So yeah, the writers played a bit fast and loose with the early history... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gene Hudders Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 4:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance I wonder about the accuracy of this article saying that IBM was involved in the 1890 census. From IBM history: IBM, in full International Business Machines Corporation, leading American computer manufacturer, with a major share of the market both in the United States and abroad. Its headquarters are in Armonk, New York. It was incorporated in 1911 as the Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company in a consolidation of three smaller companies that made punch-card tabulators and other office products. The company assumed its present name in 1924 under the leadership of Thomas Watson, a man of considerable marketing skill who became general manager in 1914 and had gained complete control of the firm by 1924. History at your fingertips – Sign up here to see what happened On This Day, every day in your inbox!Enter your emailSubscribeBy signing up for this email, you are agreeing to news, offers, and information from Encyclopaedia Britannica. Click here to view our Privacy Notice. Easy unsubscribe links are provided in every email.STAY CONNECTED - About Us & Legal Info - Contact Us - Privacy Notice - Terms of Use ©2023 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. Information from your device can be used to personalize your ad experience. Do not sell or share my personal information. In a message dated 2/28/2023 4:57:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 032966e74d0f-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu writes: Why? As the article you posted notes : In 1982, the case was dropped by a judgement ruling it "without merit." See: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/1981/02/15/business/us-vsibm.html__;!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE0Fj!pS6liOCRl2ymXVw4TfAc9Tp2fdHiOVVAusddqOnxRnEkO9MpRkenr6xJeegr6LM72GAGOC8-RhzE2E-s_30HGvk-7cED-O3MAWZC$ which claims: The trial began in May 1975. Before the outset, the Government estimated that the presentation of its case would last 60 days. Instead, it took three years. The Justice Department is on its third lead counsel. Robert H. Bork, a Yale law professor, has dubbed the case ''the antitrust division's Vietnam.'' Moreover, given the rapid pace of change in the computer industry, the case now centers on a market situation that existed two or three technological generations ago. ''It's pretty much an historical curiosity,'' an I.B.M. competitor concedes. Some outside observers view the I.B.M. case as proof that the Justice Department cannot and should not be trying to restructure major global industries. Irving S. Shapiro, chairman of E.I. duPont de Nemours & Company, a lawyer who spent several years in Justice, says: ''All the ballplayers are above their heads in these cases that concern the structure of key industries. From the lawyer who drafted the case right on up, you're talking about people who have no experience in economics or industry.'' -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 3:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Texas Comptroller's email system. DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you expect them from the sender and know the content is safe. I find it disingenuous when someone doesn't mention the antitrust lawsuit filed against IBM in 1969 and dropped in 1982. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fcs.stanford.edu*2Fpeople*2Feroberts*2Fcs181*2Fprojects*2Fcorporate-monopolies*2Fgovernment_ibm.html=05*7C01*7Cmichael.watkins*40CPA.TEXAS.GOV*7C0c7eb32d389147a4d8d608db19d51d54*7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08*7C0*7C0*7C638132175332879927*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C=1AB7x6vngOKZs4xUbWETKljQKD8miQNyYFi9fQAhb2k*3D=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE0Fj!pS6liOCRl2ymXVw4TfAc9Tp2fdHiOVVAusddqOnxRnEkO9MpRkenr6xJeegr6LM72GAGOC8-RhzE2E-s_30HGvk-7cED-FJTxTkp$ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 4:15 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fspectrum.ieee.org*2Fibms-fall-from-world-dominance=05*7C01*7Cmichael.watkins*40CPA.TEXAS.GOV*7C0c7eb32d389147a4d8d608db19d51d54*7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08*7C0*7C0*7C638132175332879927*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C300
Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance
What would have been interesting if WANG had not made the financial mistakes it did and the VS series machines had continued. Would IBM have gotten rid of the bottom end of the z/Architecture? Tier 2 zSeries partners were dump rather quickly. What would have happened had the MP-3000 and equivalent been allowed to continue? I forget the name of the competitor to the MP-2/3000 machines. So IBM is now disgorging VSE to 21St Century software. What would have happened had Gerstner forced the renewal of TIDA (Tech Info Disclosure Agreement) with Amdahl and the rest? What I'm getting at is IBM was healthy when it had competition relative to z/Arch. While I'm at it, suppose that IBM management had been successful in dumping VM? How would they do cloud? Just wondering Steve Thompson On 2/28/2023 4:55 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 16:15:25 -0500, Phil Smith III wrote: https://spectrum.ieee.org/ibms-fall-from-world-dominance Not negative overall, just recognizing that things have changed, for the most part. Thanks. Interesting. But it speaks of mainframes, much like tabulating machines, as in the past tense. "The Cloud is just someone else's computer." IBM is striving to be that "someone else", with a well-defined market target, fitting its culture. But what hardware (and OS) will/do they use? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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What is the connection between the U.S. Census Bureau and IBM? Herman Hollerith worked for the Census Bureau during the 1880 census and then for the 1890 census, invented the electronic tabulators and punchcards that the Census Bureau used from 1890 until the 1950s. Hollerith left the Census Bureau to start the Tabulating Maching Company, which would eventually become International Business Machines (IBM). Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 5:05 PM, Gene Hudders <00883908b3b7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: I wonder about the accuracy of this article saying that IBM was involved in the 1890 census. From IBM history: IBM, in full International Business Machines Corporation, leading American computer manufacturer, with a major share of the market both in the United States and abroad. Its headquarters are in Armonk, New York. It was incorporated in 1911 as the Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company in a consolidation of three smaller companies that made punch-card tabulators and other office products. The company assumed its present name in 1924 under the leadership of Thomas Watson, a man of considerable marketing skill who became general manager in 1914 and had gained complete control of the firm by 1924. History at your fingertips – Sign up here to see what happened On This Day, every day in your inbox!Enter your emailSubscribeBy signing up for this email, you are agreeing to news, offers, and information from Encyclopaedia Britannica. Click here to view our Privacy Notice. Easy unsubscribe links are provided in every email.STAY CONNECTED - About Us & Legal Info - Contact Us - Privacy Notice - Terms of Use ©2023 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. Information from your device can be used to personalize your ad experience. Do not sell or share my personal information. In a message dated 2/28/2023 4:57:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 032966e74d0f-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu writes: Why? As the article you posted notes : In 1982, the case was dropped by a judgement ruling it "without merit." See: https://www.nytimes.com/1981/02/15/business/us-vsibm.html which claims: The trial began in May 1975. Before the outset, the Government estimated that the presentation of its case would last 60 days. Instead, it took three years. The Justice Department is on its third lead counsel. Robert H. Bork, a Yale law professor, has dubbed the case ''the antitrust division's Vietnam.'' Moreover, given the rapid pace of change in the computer industry, the case now centers on a market situation that existed two or three technological generations ago. ''It's pretty much an historical curiosity,'' an I.B.M. competitor concedes. Some outside observers view the I.B.M. case as proof that the Justice Department cannot and should not be trying to restructure major global industries. Irving S. Shapiro, chairman of E.I. duPont de Nemours & Company, a lawyer who spent several years in Justice, says: ''All the ballplayers are above their heads in these cases that concern the structure of key industries. From the lawyer who drafted the case right on up, you're talking about people who have no experience in economics or industry.'' -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 3:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Texas Comptroller's email system. DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you expect them from the sender and know the content is safe. I find it disingenuous when someone doesn't mention the antitrust lawsuit filed against IBM in 1969 and dropped in 1982. https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcs.stanford.edu%2Fpeople%2Feroberts%2Fcs181%2Fprojects%2Fcorporate-monopolies%2Fgovernment_ibm.html=05%7C01%7Cmichael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV%7C0c7eb32d389147a4d8d608db19d51d54%7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08%7C0%7C0%7C638132175332879927%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=1AB7x6vngOKZs4xUbWETKljQKD8miQNyYFi9fQAhb2k%3D=0 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 4:15 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fspectrum.ieee.org%2Fibms-fall-from-world-dominance=05%7C01%7Cmichael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV%7C0c7eb32d389147a4d8d608db19d51d54%7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08%7C0%7C0%7C638132175332879927%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=sLXMAqg%2FEOpsL9aVRAPRxa%2FZOBHM22g0d3L9G8VI8EA%3D=0 Not negative overall, just recognizing that things have changed, for the most part. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive a
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I wonder about the accuracy of this article saying that IBM was involved in the 1890 census. From IBM history: IBM, in full International Business Machines Corporation, leading American computer manufacturer, with a major share of the market both in the United States and abroad. Its headquarters are in Armonk, New York. It was incorporated in 1911 as the Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company in a consolidation of three smaller companies that made punch-card tabulators and other office products. The company assumed its present name in 1924 under the leadership of Thomas Watson, a man of considerable marketing skill who became general manager in 1914 and had gained complete control of the firm by 1924. History at your fingertips – Sign up here to see what happened On This Day, every day in your inbox!Enter your emailSubscribeBy signing up for this email, you are agreeing to news, offers, and information from Encyclopaedia Britannica. Click here to view our Privacy Notice. Easy unsubscribe links are provided in every email.STAY CONNECTED - About Us & Legal Info - Contact Us - Privacy Notice - Terms of Use ©2023 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. Information from your device can be used to personalize your ad experience. Do not sell or share my personal information. In a message dated 2/28/2023 4:57:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 032966e74d0f-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu writes: Why? As the article you posted notes : In 1982, the case was dropped by a judgement ruling it "without merit." See: https://www.nytimes.com/1981/02/15/business/us-vsibm.html which claims: The trial began in May 1975. Before the outset, the Government estimated that the presentation of its case would last 60 days. Instead, it took three years. The Justice Department is on its third lead counsel. Robert H. Bork, a Yale law professor, has dubbed the case ''the antitrust division's Vietnam.'' Moreover, given the rapid pace of change in the computer industry, the case now centers on a market situation that existed two or three technological generations ago. ''It's pretty much an historical curiosity,'' an I.B.M. competitor concedes. Some outside observers view the I.B.M. case as proof that the Justice Department cannot and should not be trying to restructure major global industries. Irving S. Shapiro, chairman of E.I. duPont de Nemours & Company, a lawyer who spent several years in Justice, says: ''All the ballplayers are above their heads in these cases that concern the structure of key industries. From the lawyer who drafted the case right on up, you're talking about people who have no experience in economics or industry.'' -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 3:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Texas Comptroller's email system. DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you expect them from the sender and know the content is safe. I find it disingenuous when someone doesn't mention the antitrust lawsuit filed against IBM in 1969 and dropped in 1982. https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcs.stanford.edu%2Fpeople%2Feroberts%2Fcs181%2Fprojects%2Fcorporate-monopolies%2Fgovernment_ibm.html=05%7C01%7Cmichael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV%7C0c7eb32d389147a4d8d608db19d51d54%7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08%7C0%7C0%7C638132175332879927%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=1AB7x6vngOKZs4xUbWETKljQKD8miQNyYFi9fQAhb2k%3D=0 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 4:15 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fspectrum.ieee.org%2Fibms-fall-from-world-dominance=05%7C01%7Cmichael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV%7C0c7eb32d389147a4d8d608db19d51d54%7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08%7C0%7C0%7C638132175332879927%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=sLXMAqg%2FEOpsL9aVRAPRxa%2FZOBHM22g0d3L9G8VI8EA%3D=0 Not negative overall, just recognizing that things have changed, for the most part. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the mess
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IBM appears to have returned to its strength of conducting top-class research and development, which was always its forte. However, as the saying goes, nothing lasts forever. Google's reign as the world's dominant force may be the next to end. It seems that ChatGPT is on track to disrupt Google Search to such an extent that it will become irrelevant, and Microsoft is well-positioned to take advantage of the situation. While many people criticize Microsoft, it was a brilliant move by CEO Satya Nadella to reinvent the company, much like Lou Gerstner did with IBM in the 1990s. Those were certainly the days! On 1/3/23 05:15, Phil Smith III wrote: https://spectrum.ieee.org/ibms-fall-from-world-dominance Not negative overall, just recognizing that things have changed, for the most part. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Why? As the article you posted notes : In 1982, the case was dropped by a judgement ruling it "without merit." See: https://www.nytimes.com/1981/02/15/business/us-vsibm.html which claims: The trial began in May 1975. Before the outset, the Government estimated that the presentation of its case would last 60 days. Instead, it took three years. The Justice Department is on its third lead counsel. Robert H. Bork, a Yale law professor, has dubbed the case ''the antitrust division's Vietnam.'' Moreover, given the rapid pace of change in the computer industry, the case now centers on a market situation that existed two or three technological generations ago. ''It's pretty much an historical curiosity,'' an I.B.M. competitor concedes. Some outside observers view the I.B.M. case as proof that the Justice Department cannot and should not be trying to restructure major global industries. Irving S. Shapiro, chairman of E.I. duPont de Nemours & Company, a lawyer who spent several years in Justice, says: ''All the ballplayers are above their heads in these cases that concern the structure of key industries. From the lawyer who drafted the case right on up, you're talking about people who have no experience in economics or industry.'' -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 3:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Texas Comptroller's email system. DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you expect them from the sender and know the content is safe. I find it disingenuous when someone doesn't mention the antitrust lawsuit filed against IBM in 1969 and dropped in 1982. https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcs.stanford.edu%2Fpeople%2Feroberts%2Fcs181%2Fprojects%2Fcorporate-monopolies%2Fgovernment_ibm.html=05%7C01%7Cmichael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV%7C0c7eb32d389147a4d8d608db19d51d54%7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08%7C0%7C0%7C638132175332879927%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=1AB7x6vngOKZs4xUbWETKljQKD8miQNyYFi9fQAhb2k%3D=0 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 4:15 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fspectrum.ieee.org%2Fibms-fall-from-world-dominance=05%7C01%7Cmichael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV%7C0c7eb32d389147a4d8d608db19d51d54%7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08%7C0%7C0%7C638132175332879927%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=sLXMAqg%2FEOpsL9aVRAPRxa%2FZOBHM22g0d3L9G8VI8EA%3D=0 Not negative overall, just recognizing that things have changed, for the most part. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 16:15:25 -0500, Phil Smith III wrote: >https://spectrum.ieee.org/ibms-fall-from-world-dominance > >Not negative overall, just recognizing that things have changed, for the >most part. > Thanks. Interesting. But it speaks of mainframes, much like tabulating machines, as in the past tense. "The Cloud is just someone else's computer." IBM is striving to be that "someone else", with a well-defined market target, fitting its culture. But what hardware (and OS) will/do they use? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I find it disingenuous when someone doesn’t mention the antitrust lawsuit filed against IBM in 1969 and dropped in 1982. https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs181/projects/corporate-monopolies/government_ibm.html Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 4:15 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: https://spectrum.ieee.org/ibms-fall-from-world-dominance Not negative overall, just recognizing that things have changed, for the most part. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
