Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[sunil mirchandani]

Hello,

I was looking for the solution of a problem and I have got this mail where
we had already discussed this.So posting on the same mail thread to find
out why it is happening.

I am also stuck at same problem. Start command from command line is not
disappearing when I come back from any panel to previous panel which means
START command remains on the command line of the "old" screen.

I tried to use the steps/comments posted in the thread but didn't work.

Any inputs will be appreciated.

ISPF Release: 6.3
z/OS 1.13

Thanks

On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) <
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net> wrote:

> In
> ,
> on 04/11/2014
>at 07:21 AM, Itschak Mugzach  said:
>
> >at the second time, try to put ">" before the command.
>
> The point is that by default PFK2 is set to SPLIT, not to SPLIT NEW,
> and won't create a third split.
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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 04/11/2014
   at 07:21 AM, Itschak Mugzach  said:

>at the second time, try to put ">" before the command.

The point is that by default PFK2 is set to SPLIT, not to SPLIT NEW,
and won't create a third split.
 
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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Itschak Mugzach]

at the second time, try to put ">" before the command. Does it help? if so,
the command table was somehow changed. Please please enter 7.3 to get the
application name.

ITschak


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:33 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) <
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net> wrote:

> In <481cddaf-93fb-41dd-b081-c6b39f50d...@soundsoftware.us>, on
> 04/09/2014
>at 11:12 AM, "Duffy Nightingale, SS"  said:
>
> >I always split the screen by putting the cursor where I want the
> >split, then press PF2.
>
> That works well the first time; it doesn't work at all when you want
> to create the third instance.
>
> Of course, I'm assuming that PF2 is set to the default value.
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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <481cddaf-93fb-41dd-b081-c6b39f50d...@soundsoftware.us>, on
04/09/2014
   at 11:12 AM, "Duffy Nightingale, SS"  said:

>I always split the screen by putting the cursor where I want the
>split, then press PF2.

That works well the first time; it doesn't work at all when you want
to create the third instance.

Of course, I'm assuming that PF2 is set to the default value.
 
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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[John P Kalinich]

Have you ran a panel trace yet?

Regards,
John K

C.2  Panel trace command (ISPDPTRC)   © Copyright IBM Corp. 1980, 2011
Topic lines 1 to 16 of 236
  
   The ISPDPTRC command traces the Dialog Manager panel processing that   
   occurs within any screen in the current ISPF session. You can trace both   
   the execution of panel service calls (DISPLAY, TBDISPL, and TBQUERY) and   
   the processing that occurs within the Dialog Manager panel code, including 
   the processing of statements in the )ABCINIT, )ABCPROC, )INIT, )REINIT,
   and )PROC sections of the panel.   
  
   The output from the trace is written to a dynamically allocated VB 
   (variable blocked) data set that has a record length of 255. Where the 
   ddname ISPDPTRC is preallocated, this data set is used, providing it   
   refers to a sequential, VB data set with a record length of at least 255.  

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Subject: Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

 >Lots of great suggestions in this thread. Use what you like and ignore 
the rest.

I fully agree. Nevertheless, I do have my own great ways to jump around
without the need to take my fingers off the keyboard (no mouse needed).
I'm using PCOM macros.

My problem is not how to get around but to understand why the command
is not clear in the command line. Still investigating...

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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Peter Hunkeler]

>Lots of great suggestions in this thread. Use what you like and ignore 
the rest.


I fully agree. Nevertheless, I do have my own great ways to jump around
without the need to take my fingers off the keyboard (no mouse needed).
I'm using PCOM macros.

My problem is not how to get around but to understand why the command
is not clear in the command line. Still investigating...

Thanks for your suggestions
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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Hank Oerlemans]

Worth checking.

ISPVCALL STATUS and look for

START0 SELECT PGM(ISPSTRT) PARM(&ZPARM)


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Thomas Berg wrote:

> A site command table that "overrides" the standard START command ?
> (Or a user command table.)
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
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> > Subject: AW: Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line
> >
> > Spontaneously I would suspect a bad coded ISPF panel (the one the
> "START" I
> > left/reoccurring on).
> > This is a thought that I had too, but it happens on any panel. I doubt
> all of the
> > panels have been adversely changed.
> >
> >
> > and review these:
> >
> > COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
> > RESET_COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
> > Not sure I understand what this has to do with my problem. Its not where
> the
> > command line is, but that the command line does not get cleared.
> >
> > Anyway, thanks for the ideas.
> > --
> > Peter Hunkeler
> >
> >
> >  Von: Elardus Engelbrecht  An:
> > IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Betreff: Re: ISPF START command remains on the
> > command line Datum: 09.04.14 15:30
> >
> >
> > Thomas Berg wrote:
> >
> > >Spontaneously I would suspect a bad coded ISPF panel (the one the
> "START" I
> > left/reoccurring on).
> >
> > Indeed. Or look at 'ISPF Settings and Options' dialog. If the command
> line still
> > stays there, have a look at ISPCCONF
> >
> > and review these:
> >
> > COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
> > RESET_COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
> >
> > HTH!
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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Tom Marchant]

On Wed, 9 Apr 2014 13:43:06 -0700, Skip Robinson wrote:

>It's also helpful to set a PF key to 'SWAP NEXT'. That way you can rotate
>among open screens.

Everyone has their own way of doing things. Whatever works for you is great. 
For me, 
it is easier to use the mouse to double-click on the session that I want on the 
swapbar. 
Of course, I have my emulator set so that a double-click is ENTER at the mouse 
position. 
And my screen is set to 90 x 142, so losing the bottom line to the swapbar 
isn't a big 
deal for me. I think swapbar became available with z/OS 1.11.

I also have a key (shift F9, or F21) set to SWAP LIST. I use it mostly to start 
a new 
session with F21/Home/Enter. It behaves more like START than SPLIT NEW does. I 
rarely 
see the split line ("Always show split line" is disabled) because my split 
screens are really 
all full screen. SPLIT NEW creates a new split with the split line wherever the 
cursor 
happens to be, and that isn't my preference.

Lots of great suggestions in this thread. Use what you like and ignore the rest.

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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[George Rodriguez]

Also set up a SWAP PREV...

On Wednesday, April 9, 2014, Skip Robinson  wrote:

> It's also helpful to set a PF key to 'SWAP NEXT'. That way you can rotate
> among open screens.
>
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> Subject:Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line
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> Am 09.04.2014 20:18, schrieb Tom Marchant:
> > That only lets you have two splits.
>
> Not if you change "SPLIT" to "SPLIT NEW".
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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Skip Robinson]

It's also helpful to set a PF key to 'SWAP NEXT'. That way you can rotate 
among open screens. 

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Date:   04/09/2014 12:02 PM
Subject:    Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line
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Am 09.04.2014 20:18, schrieb Tom Marchant:
> That only lets you have two splits.

Not if you change "SPLIT" to "SPLIT NEW".

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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Peter Hunkeler]

Am 09.04.2014 20:18, schrieb Tom Marchant:

That only lets you have two splits.


Not if you change "SPLIT" to "SPLIT NEW".

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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Peter Hunkeler]

Am 09.04.2014 20:12, schrieb Duffy Nightingale, SS:

I always split the screen by putting the cursor where I want the split, then 
press PF2.  No command needed.
Well actually PF2 usually has the command "SPLIT" assigned. So there is 
a command as well. "SPLIT NEW" would be similar to "START" in that it 
starts another (up to 8, that will increase with z/OS 21., right) split 
screen session. However, "SPLIT NEW" does not allow another parameter to 
directly jump to some place in the new session (IIRC). And, I don't want 
to bother changing numerous KEYLISTS on numerous systems from "SPLIT" to 
"SPLIT NEW".


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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Pommier, Rex]

And to get around the problem of only 2 splits, I simply set PF14 to "SPLIT 
NEW" (and PF21 to SWAP LIST) which allows me up to the IBM default of 8 split 
screens.  I might have to change that, though as I sometimes run out...

Rex

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On Wed, 9 Apr 2014 11:12:21 -0700, Duffy Nightingale, SS wrote:

>I always split the screen by putting the cursor where I want the split, then 
>press PF2.  No command needed.

That only lets you have two splits. I usually have 4 or 5. Often 8 to 10, and 
occasionally more. 
And I use SWAPBAR to help keep track of them.

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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Tom Marchant]

On Wed, 9 Apr 2014 11:12:21 -0700, Duffy Nightingale, SS wrote:

>I always split the screen by putting the cursor where I want the split, then 
>press PF2.  No command needed.

That only lets you have two splits. I usually have 4 or 5. Often 8 to 10, and 
occasionally more. 
And I use SWAPBAR to help keep track of them.

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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Duffy Nightingale, SS]

I always split the screen by putting the cursor where I want the split, then 
press PF2.  No command needed.

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> On Apr 9, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Thomas Berg  wrote:
> 
> A site command table that "overrides" the standard START command ? 
> (Or a user command table.)
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> Thomas Berg
> ___ 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
>> On Behalf Of Peter Hunkeler
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 6:01 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: AW: Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line
>> 
>> Spontaneously I would suspect a bad coded ISPF panel (the one the "START" I
>> left/reoccurring on).
>> This is a thought that I had too, but it happens on any panel. I doubt all 
>> of the
>> panels have been adversely changed.
>> 
>> 
>> and review these:
>> 
>> COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
>> RESET_COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
>> Not sure I understand what this has to do with my problem. Its not where the
>> command line is, but that the command line does not get cleared.
>> 
>> Anyway, thanks for the ideas.
>> --
>> Peter Hunkeler
>> 
>> 
>> Von: Elardus Engelbrecht  An:
>> IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Betreff: Re: ISPF START command remains on the
>> command line Datum: 09.04.14 15:30
>> 
>> 
>> Thomas Berg wrote:
>> 
>>> Spontaneously I would suspect a bad coded ISPF panel (the one the "START" I
>> left/reoccurring on).
>> 
>> Indeed. Or look at 'ISPF Settings and Options' dialog. If the command line 
>> still
>> stays there, have a look at ISPCCONF
>> 
>> and review these:
>> 
>> COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
>> RESET_COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
>> 
>> HTH!
>> 
>> Groete / Greetings
>> Elardus Engelbrecht
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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Thomas Berg]

A site command table that "overrides" the standard START command ? 
(Or a user command table.)



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> 
> Spontaneously I would suspect a bad coded ISPF panel (the one the "START" I
> left/reoccurring on).
> This is a thought that I had too, but it happens on any panel. I doubt all of 
> the
> panels have been adversely changed.
> 
> 
> and review these:
> 
> COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
> RESET_COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
> Not sure I understand what this has to do with my problem. Its not where the
> command line is, but that the command line does not get cleared.
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the ideas.
> --
> Peter Hunkeler
> 
> 
>  Von:         Elardus Engelbrecht  An:
> IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Betreff: Re: ISPF START command remains on the
> command line Datum: 09.04.14 15:30
> 
> 
> Thomas Berg wrote:
> 
> >Spontaneously I would suspect a bad coded ISPF panel (the one the "START" I
> left/reoccurring on).
> 
> Indeed. Or look at 'ISPF Settings and Options' dialog. If the command line 
> still
> stays there, have a look at ISPCCONF
> 
> and review these:
> 
> COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
> RESET_COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
> 
> HTH!
> 
> Groete / Greetings
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AW: Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Peter Hunkeler]

Spontaneously I would suspect a bad coded ISPF panel (the one the "START" I 
left/reoccurring on).
This is a thought that I had too, but it happens on any panel. I doubt all of 
the panels have been adversely changed.


and review these:

COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
RESET_COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
Not sure I understand what this has to do with my problem. Its not where the 
command line is, but that the command line does not get cleared.

Anyway, thanks for the ideas.
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 Von: Elardus Engelbrecht  An:  
 IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Betreff: Re: ISPF START command remains on the 
command line Datum: 09.04.14 15:30


Thomas Berg wrote:

>Spontaneously I would suspect a bad coded ISPF panel (the one the "START" I 
>left/reoccurring on).

Indeed. Or look at 'ISPF Settings and Options' dialog. If the command line 
still stays there, have a look at ISPCCONF

and review these:

COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
RESET_COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT

HTH!

Groete / Greetings
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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Thomas Berg wrote:

>Spontaneously I would suspect a bad coded ISPF panel (the one the "START" I 
>left/reoccurring on).  

Indeed. Or look at 'ISPF Settings and Options' dialog. If the command line 
still stays there, have a look at ISPCCONF

and review these:

COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT
RESET_COMMAND_LINE_PLACEMENT  

HTH!

Groete / Greetings
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Re: ISPF START command remains on the command line

[Itschak Mugzach]

Do they use a Spify or other toll to enhance ISPF?

ITschak


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Peter Hunkeler  wrote:

> I'm at a new employer, meaning working on a new environment.
>
> I've got a strange problem with ISPF, I have no clue how to resolve. I'm
> used to start new ISPF split screen sessions with the START command. When I
> do this here, a new session is opened as expected, however the START
> command remains on the command line of the "old" screen. This leads to the
> effect that I get a "invalid command" when I switch back to the session I
> initiated the START from.
>
> Any help on what might cause this is much appreciated.
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Spontaneously I would suspect a bad coded ISPF panel (the one the "START" I 
left/reoccurring on).  


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> On Behalf Of Peter Hunkeler
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:57 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: ISPF START command remains on the command line
> 
> I'm at a new employer, meaning working on a new environment.
> 
> I've got a strange problem with ISPF, I have no clue how to resolve. I'm used 
> to
> start new ISPF split screen sessions with the START command. When I do this
> here, a new session is opened as expected, however the START command
> remains on the command line of the "old" screen. This leads to the effect 
> that I
> get a "invalid command" when I switch back to the session I initiated the 
> START
> from.
> 
> Any help on what might cause this is much appreciated.
> 
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