Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[Steve Horein]

I appreciate what a privilege it is to work with NetView Rexx.

Rexx function ENVDATA('G'):
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/z-netview/6.3.0?topic=files-session-information-functions

> Returns a list of blank delimited entries representing the REXX, PL/I, and
> C procedures in the calling sequence or procedure group that was active
> when ENVDATA was called.

Each entry consists of two names separated by a slash (/), in the format
> *command/name*. *command* is the command verb or synonym used to call the
> procedure. *name* is one of the following names:
>
>- The module name if the procedure is PL/I or C.
>
>
>- The member name in DSICLD if the procedure is REXX.
>
> Multiple entries show the calling sequence in reverse order. The command
> the operator entered is the last entry listed.


PIPE stage ENVDATA:
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/z-netview/6.3.0?topic=syntax-pipe-envdata

> The data following the keyword GENEALOGY consists of blank delimited
> entries representing the REXX, PL/I, and C procedures in the calling
> sequence or procedure group which was active when ENVDATA was invoked.
> Each entry consists of two names separated by a slash (/). The command is
> the command verb or synonym used to invoke the procedure. The name is one
> of the following items:
>
>- The module name if the procedure is PL/I or C
>
>
>- The member name in DSICLD if the procedure is REXX.
>
> Multiple entries following the GENEALOGY keyword show the calling sequence
> in reverse order. The command the operator entered is the last entry listed.


I imagine your inquiry relates to the TSO environment.

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 10:31 AM David Spiegel 
wrote:

> Hi List,
> Is it possible for an Exec/CLIST to determine from which Exec/CLIST it
> was invoked?
> If yes, please specify how.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Regards,
> David
>
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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[Lionel B. Dyck]

Correct - I am so  used to do parse value with that for source my fingers just 
typed with. 


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On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 11:43:34 -0600, Lionel B. Dyck wrote:

>I wrote a quick test - hope it helps:
>
>Test One:
>
>T1:
>/* rexx */
>parse source with src 
>say 'src:' src
>'%t2' 
> 
The "with" is probably misplaced.  It assigns the system name ("TSO") to the 
variable "with".
<https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=instructions-parse>


>T2:
>/* rexx */  
>parse source with src   
>say 't2 src:' src   
>'%t3'   
>
>T3:
>/* rexx */   
>parse source with src
>say 't3 src:' src
>
>The results when executing T1:
>
>src: COMMAND T1 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?  
>t2 src: COMMAND T2 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   
>t3 src: COMMAND T3 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   
>
>
>Test 2:
>
>T1:
>/* rexx */   
>parse source with src
>say 'src:' src   
>x = t2() 
>
>T2:
>/* rexx */  
>parse source with src   
>say 't2 src:' src   
>x = t3()
>return 0
>
>T3:
>/* rexx */   
>parse source with src
>say 't3 src:' src
>return 0 
>
>Results:
>
>src: COMMAND T1 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   
>t2 src: FUNCTION T2 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   
>t3 src: FUNCTION T3 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   

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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 11:43:34 -0600, Lionel B. Dyck wrote:

>I wrote a quick test - hope it helps:
>
>Test One:
>
>T1:
>/* rexx */
>parse source with src 
>say 'src:' src
>'%t2' 
> 
The "with" is probably misplaced.  It assigns the system name ("TSO")
to the variable "with".



>T2:
>/* rexx */  
>parse source with src   
>say 't2 src:' src   
>'%t3'   
>
>T3:
>/* rexx */   
>parse source with src
>say 't3 src:' src
>
>The results when executing T1:
>
>src: COMMAND T1 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?  
>t2 src: COMMAND T2 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   
>t3 src: COMMAND T3 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   
>
>
>Test 2:
>
>T1:
>/* rexx */   
>parse source with src
>say 'src:' src   
>x = t2() 
>
>T2:
>/* rexx */  
>parse source with src   
>say 't2 src:' src   
>x = t3()
>return 0
>
>T3:
>/* rexx */   
>parse source with src
>say 't3 src:' src
>return 0 
>
>Results:
>
>src: COMMAND T1 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   
>t2 src: FUNCTION T2 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   
>t3 src: FUNCTION T3 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   

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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[Seymour J Metz]

PARSE SOURCE identifies the file from which the current REXX was invoked, not 
the file for the invoker.


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On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 at 16:31, David Spiegel  wrote:

> Is it possible for an Exec/CLIST to determine from which Exec/CLIST it
> was invoked?
>


> If yes, please specify how.
>

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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[Lionel B. Dyck]

I wrote a quick test - hope it helps:

Test One:

T1:
/* rexx */
parse source with src 
say 'src:' src
'%t2' 

T2:
/* rexx */  
parse source with src   
say 't2 src:' src   
'%t3'   

T3:
/* rexx */   
parse source with src
say 't3 src:' src

The results when executing T1:

src: COMMAND T1 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?  
t2 src: COMMAND T2 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   
t3 src: COMMAND T3 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   


Test 2:

T1:
/* rexx */   
parse source with src
say 'src:' src   
x = t2() 

T2:
/* rexx */  
parse source with src   
say 't2 src:' src   
x = t3()
return 0

T3:
/* rexx */   
parse source with src
say 't3 src:' src
return 0 

Results:

src: COMMAND T1 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   
t2 src: FUNCTION T2 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   
t3 src: FUNCTION T3 SYSEXEC ? ? TSO ISPF ?   

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Github: https://github.com/lbdyck

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David Spiegel
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 11:23 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

Hi Robert,
I saw this, but, this displays the name of the executing Exec. I need the name 
of the Exec that invoked this one.
For example, if Exec A invoked Exec B, I would like (in Exec B) to determine 
that it was invoked by Exec A.

Regards,
David

On 2022-01-27 14:09, Robert Prins wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 at 16:31, David Spiegel  wrote:
>
>> Is it possible for an Exec/CLIST to determine from which Exec/CLIST 
>> it was invoked?
>>
>
>> If yes, please specify how.
>>
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>
> Robert

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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[David Spiegel]

Hi Robert,
I saw this, but, this displays the name of the executing Exec. I need 
the name of the Exec that invoked this one.
For example, if Exec A invoked Exec B, I would like (in Exec B) to 
determine that it was invoked by Exec A.


Regards,
David

On 2022-01-27 14:09, Robert Prins wrote:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 at 16:31, David Spiegel  wrote:


Is it possible for an Exec/CLIST to determine from which Exec/CLIST it
was invoked?




If yes, please specify how.




Unformatted for some reason, so you'll have to add the line-breaks yourself.

Robert


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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[Robert Prins]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 at 16:31, David Spiegel  wrote:

> Is it possible for an Exec/CLIST to determine from which Exec/CLIST it
> was invoked?
>


> If yes, please specify how.
>



Unformatted for some reason, so you'll have to add the line-breaks yourself.

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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[kekronbekron]

Are you willing to dumpster dive into SMF?
I'm sure you can whip something together with a few different record types.
First pulling out SYSPROG and SYSEXEC dataset list.
Then dataset/member stats on those.

With some amount of filtering, you'll be able to reduce the amount of data you 
need to process.

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> Rename them and watch for complaints? (seriously I have seen this done - 
> after 90? Days delete what has not been renamed back
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>
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>
> I have been given the task of cleaning up unused software.
>
> Part of that is identifying which CLISTs/Execs are not being used.
>
> Can someone please suggest a way to do this?
>
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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[Bob Bridges]

We do that in security sometimes:  If we can't figure out who owns an ID, try 
turning it off and see who complains.  But 90 days isn't enough; there are some 
routines that are run only once a quarter or once a year.  For processes I use 
14 months.

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Rename them and watch for complaints? (seriously I have seen this done - after 
90? Days delete what has not been renamed back

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I have been given the task of cleaning up unused software.
Part of that is identifying which CLISTs/Execs are not being used.

Can someone please suggest a way to do this?

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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[Chris Hoelscher]

Rename them and watch for complaints? (seriously I have seen this done - after 
90? Days delete what has not been renamed back

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Hi List,
I have been given the task of cleaning up unused software.
Part of that is identifying which CLISTs/Execs are not being used.

Can someone please suggest a way to do this?

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[Roger Bolan]

Hello,
Let me just add a little cautionary note to this thread.
Do not delete anything without knowing what it is used for.
Some of the products I support have CLIST or EXEC tools used to create or
change resources that can be used unchanged for years and then suddenly
require changes.
You might have some tools that are vital, despite being used only once
every few years.
Regards,
--Roger

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 8:41 AM David Spiegel 
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> Hi List,
> I have been given the task of cleaning up unused software.
> Part of that is identifying which CLISTs/Execs are not being used.
>
> Can someone please suggest a way to do this?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Regards,
> David
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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[Mike Shaw]

CA TSO-MON does this handily, but you gotta spend money to get it.

Type 32 SMF records count TSO/E commands, but that would be counts of the
EXEC command without the CLIST name.

If I had to do this on my own, I would write a CSECT that I linked as a
front-end to the EXEC command (IKJCT429) in SYS1.CMDLIB and make my code
the entry point. It would extract the CP parameter list and extract/count
the name of the CLIST/Exec, then write a user SMF record to record usage of
the CLIST/Exec.

Mike Shaw
MVS/QuickRef Support Group
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.


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> Hi List,
> I have been given the task of cleaning up unused software.
> Part of that is identifying which CLISTs/Execs are not being used.
>
> Can someone please suggest a way to do this?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Regards,
> David
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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[Bob Bridges]

Dunno whether you'll like this idea, but if don't want to download a package, 
you can insert a line into each REXX or CLIST that logs each time it runs in a 
dataset.  You can review the log occasionally and remove the line from any exec 
that you no longer need to review.  At some point (months?  Years?)  you can 
delete the members that haven't been executed.

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I have been given the task of cleaning up unused software.
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Can someone please suggest a way to do this?

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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[David Spiegel]

Hi Mark,
I should have mentioned that I was not given a budget to purchase/lease 
software for this project.

I will, however, mention it to my superiors.

Thanks and regards,
David

On 2022-01-26 10:48, Mark Jacobs wrote:

eventACTION by Action Software can do that.

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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[Carmen Vitullo]

IIRC David, PDSMAN can do this, I'm not sure of any other way to track 
CLIST REXX usage.


if its software tracking there are tools to do that also, the simplest 
was I think if if you can ID the software libraries and using your 
security tools audit the libraries usage, instead of revoking access you 
can add a WARN, IIRC to the dataset profile.


TSOMON was a tool I used long ago, I'm almost positive there's a CBT 
tool you can find that can do this.



Carmen

On 1/26/2022 9:40 AM, David Spiegel wrote:

Hi List,
I have been given the task of cleaning up unused software.
Part of that is identifying which CLISTs/Execs are not being used.

Can someone please suggest a way to do this?

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
David

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Re: Tracking CLIST/Exec Usage

[Mark Jacobs]

eventACTION by Action Software can do that.

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