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Re: RSCS: LPR page size
However, printouts can be produced in VSE in two different ways - via SYSLST (system logical unit) or a numbered SYS (e.g., SYS010 - program logical unit). STDOPT affects only SYSLST output. Ok... I found the problem. I was in fact using a numbered sys, which was assigned to a logical printer: // ASSGN SYS005,05E That printer had a * $$ LST card, with an FCB= option, which was defined with a 60 line page. I changed the FCB and the problem was fixed. Thank you all for your help and advice! Shimon -- ** ** Shimon Lebowitzmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] VM System Programmer . Israel Police National HQ. http://www.poboxes.com/shimonpgp Jerusalem, Israel phone: +972 2 542-9877 fax: 542-9308 ** **
For the old-timers out there
Do you (a) believe this and (b) recognize the environment being (so badly) described? I'm (a) not sure I do and (b) definitely don't, but I'm not as old as (some of) you... http://worsethanfailure.com/Comments/Saving_a_Few_Minutes.aspx -- ...phsiii
Re: For the old-timers out there
I agree with you Phil. Although I do recognize a similiar environment it sounds like a UNIVAC 9200 I worked on eons ago. BUT the 9200 was a 12k machine and came noplace close to even processing at 1 mip and never was mistaken for a supercomputer. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 4:24 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: For the old-timers out there Do you (a) believe this and (b) recognize the environment being (so badly) described? I'm (a) not sure I do and (b) definitely don't, but I'm not as old as (some of) you... http://worsethanfailure.com/Comments/Saving_a_Few_Minutes.aspx -- ...phsiii __ ella for Spam Control has removed VSE-List messages and set aside VM-List for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! http://www.ellaforspam.com
Re: For the old-timers out there
Well on the IBM side, there was TOS (Tape Operating System) just prior to DOS (Disk Operating System). And, of course, there was timesharing. Big industry at that time. Now they call it hosting. Even back in the 370 days, we had to boot with the card reader, in order to get the standalone program loader in storage to boot from disk. And I still remember keying in the first half dozen instruction with the CES (Console Entry Switchs) before you could boot. I got to relieve those days with an IMSI 8080 G. I still have the mylar, paper tape of many programs. Mylar tape lasted a lot longer then paper tape. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Phil Smith III [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/28/2007 4:24 PM Do you (a) believe this and (b) recognize the environment being (so badly) described? I'm (a) not sure I do and (b) definitely don't, but I'm not as old as (some of) you... http://worsethanfailure.com/Comments/Saving_a_Few_Minutes.aspx -- ...phsiii
Re: For the old-timers out there
I do not remember it, but it sounds like there may be a bit of stretching to me. The 7094 and 7080 that we had at Boeing Wichita at the time weren't nearly that size or power and both ran from tape, IBSYS on the 94 and Supervisory Control System (SCS) on the 80. They were loaded once and there was no time searching for utilities or the like. Usually, the application programs scheduled for the day were written on a tape in the order they were to run. At least SCS had conditional execution of dependent programs. This was in the 1963-1966 timeframe. A 7094-7044 Directly Coupled System was installed in 1964(IIRC), but I never saw it - a new policy that prohibited programmers from entering the machine room had been implemented - so I don't know if it was on disk; however, I suspect it was. The first S/360 was installed about the time I was drafted in 1966. The 7090 had 32K words, 36 bits each; the 7080, 160,000 BCD characters (7 bits each, including the parity bit). Both measured their times in milliseconds. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:24 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: For the old-timers out there Do you (a) believe this and (b) recognize the environment being (so badly) described? I'm (a) not sure I do and (b) definitely don't, but I'm not as old as (some of) you... http://worsethanfailure.com/Comments/Saving_a_Few_Minutes.aspx -- ...phsiii
Re: For the old-timers out there
Although I do recognize a similiar environment it sounds like a UNIVAC 9200 I worked on eons ago. BUT the 9200 was a 12k machine and came noplace close to even processing at 1 mip and never was mistaken for a supercomputer. Could also be one of the very early CDC machines. The boot from tape, write to disk was characteristic of those monsters. Also, didn't at least one version of the Sigma 9 also behave this way (although those machines certainly wouldn't class as a supercomputer, unless the alternative were rooms of people with slide rules...)? I don't remember. -- db
Re: For the old-timers out there
Phil Smith III wrote: Do you (a) believe this and (b) recognize the environment being (so badly) described? I'm (a) not sure I do and (b) definitely don't, but I'm not as old as (some of) you... http://worsethanfailure.com/Comments/Saving_a_Few_Minutes.aspx I don't quite believe it - the jargon's all wrong, and I don't buy the abstraction of a user on a system booted from tape. So, I'm trying to think of systems that might be like that - I booted PDP8 from DECtape, but that sure wasn't a supercomputer, and used by a lot more than 25 people. Definitely not early 360 running BOS or TOS, let alone early DOS, OS/360, or CP. Doesn't sound like 1130 either. IBM 7090 or 704x? STRETCH? That was rare enough, and by this time, who knows what it was like. Maybe CDC2600? A little teaser for greying neurons... cheers, Jeff -- Jeff Savit Principal Engineer Sun Microsystems, Inc.Phone: 732-537-3451 (x63451) 400 Atrium Drive Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Somerset, NJ 08873 http://blogs.sun.com/jsavit/
Re: For the old-timers out there
When I started with IBM in early 1967 DOS and TOS were contemporaries. I never remembered anything about TOS having been available before DOS. I started in the Chicago Distribution office and the Sears National Account was the tail that wagged the dog there. The Sears team, in order to demonstrate multi-programming, used a TOS system since there were too few 2311 disk drives around at Sears and MFT and certainly MVT could not be expected to run in the mid-60's. As far as what Phil is referring to, I don't have the foggiest. I seldom have the desire or inclination to fight my way thru blogs and the S/360-30's that I supported for a few years were not even close to being super-computers. By my calculations, they were about 18KIP machines. Jim Tom Duerbusch wrote: Well on the IBM side, there was TOS (Tape Operating System) just prior to = DOS (Disk Operating System). And, of course, there was timesharing. Big = industry at that time. Now they call it hosting. Even back in the 370 days, we had to boot with the card reader, in order = to get the standalone program loader in storage to boot from disk. And I still remember keying in the first half dozen instruction with the = CES (Console Entry Switchs) before you could boot. I got to relieve those = days with an IMSI 8080 G. I still have the mylar, paper tape of many programs. Mylar tape lasted a = lot longer then paper tape. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Phil Smith III [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/28/2007 4:24 PM Do you (a) believe this and (b) recognize the environment being (so badly) = described? =20 I'm (a) not sure I do and (b) definitely don't, but I'm not as old as = (some of) you... http://worsethanfailure.com/Comments/Saving_a_Few_Minutes.aspx=20 --=20 ...phsiii
