Re: SHOW still available ?

2007-07-09 Thread Kris Buelens

SPOOLAID cannot be compared to SHOW/PEEK/VM:SPOOL as it displays raw spool
data.  Note too that PEEK, SHOW and Spoolaid only display spool files
sitting in your own reader.

2007/7/9, Les Geer (607-429-3580) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 I've been searching for a tool to read the vm spool and ran across some
 references to a SHOW tool but I've not been able to find a download site
 for it.


If you have RSCS, you can use the spoolaid package to view spool files.
This package can be found on the install ID's 406 minidisk.

Best Regards,
Les Geer
IBM z/VM and Linux Development





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Re: SHOW still available ?

2007-07-09 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
Les - thanks for the suggestion. I don't have RSCS (can't justify it for 
our site)

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 I've been searching for a tool to read the vm spool and ran across some
 references to a SHOW tool but I've not been able to find a download site
 for it.


If you have RSCS, you can use the spoolaid package to view spool files.
This package can be found on the install ID's 406 minidisk.

Best Regards,
Les Geer
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Re: SHOW still available ?

2007-07-09 Thread Kris Buelens

With CA's VM:SPOOL you can look at other user's spool files, and even if
they are still open.


2007/7/9, Lionel B. Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



Thanks - Found it and downloaded.

Is there any 'trick' to using it to view a file in the spool, specifically
a prt file for another account?

Thanks

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Re: SHOW still available ?

2007-07-09 Thread Dave Jones
If your virtual machine has the needed set of CP privileges, you can 
TRANSFER the prt file from the owning user's prt queue to your RDR 
queue. SHOW can then browse it

Try reading the onlne help for the TRANSFER command.

Lionel B. Dyck wrote:

Thanks - Found it and downloaded.

Is there any 'trick' to using it to view a file in the spool, specifically 
a prt file for another account?


Thanks

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Hi, Lionel.

I believe you can download the latest version of SHOW (and, yes, you 
really do need to have it handy:-) from Fran Hensler's web site at:


http://zvm.sru.edu/~DOWNLOAD/

Good luck, and welcome to the z/VM community as well.

DJ

Lionel B. Dyck wrote:
I've been searching for a tool to read the vm spool and ran across some 
references to a SHOW tool but I've not been able to find a download site 



for it.

Does it still exist?  If not is there any alternative to viewing spool 
files?


thanks

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Re: SHOW still available ?

2007-07-09 Thread Kris Buelens

DAVE's words about TRANSFER brings some memories back:
You also might want to have a look at my URLIST package: it shows the
RDR/PUN/PRT queue of other users in an RDRLIST-like way.  It provides a PEEK
command, but that PEEK will involve a TRANSFER of the file to your
RDR-queue, PEEK, and TRANSFER back.  Drawback: this TRANSFER process will
change the spool file number (and if you'd LOGOFF before we can transfer
back, the file remains in your reader).

2007/7/9, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


If your virtual machine has the needed set of CP privileges, you can
TRANSFER the prt file from the owning user's prt queue to your RDR
queue. SHOW can then browse it
Try reading the onlne help for the TRANSFER command.

--
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V/Soft




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Obituary - Donald Michie

2007-07-09 Thread Daniel P. Martin
From today's AP wire:

--- cut here ---

Donald Michie and Anne McLaren

LONDON (AP) -- British artificial intelligence expert, Donald Michie,
and an ex-wife, leading geneticist Dame Anne McLaren, have died in a car
crash.

Michie, 84, and McLaren, 80, were killed Saturday when their car veered
off a highway while they were traveling from Cambridge to their home in
London, said their son, Jonathan Michie.

Michie was a pioneering artificial intelligence researcher who worked as
part of the British code-breaking group at Bletchley Park during World
War II. He contributed to the effort to solve Tunny, a German
teleprinter cipher.

He was appointed director of the University of Edinburgh's Department of
Machine Intelligence and Perception when it was established in 1966 and
was founder and editor-in-chief of the Machine Intelligence publication
series.

His former wife, McLaren, with whom he remained close friends after
their divorce in 1959, was a leading geneticist who became the first
female officer of the Royal Society, holding the post of foreign
secretary from 1991-1996.

She was a member of an independent committee appointed by the government
to investigate new reproductive technologies after the birth of the
world's first test-tube baby here in 1978 and make recommendations on
the freezing and storage of human embryos and their use in research.

Queen Elizabeth II named her a dame commander of the British Empire in
1993 and she was a fellow of King's College and Christ College at the
University of Cambridge.


--- cut here ---

-dan.


What VM oldest level can you bring Z/VM 5.3 2nd level?

2007-07-09 Thread jcanavan

Actually:





Can you  bring it up under VM 2.2

( I was thinking no, but I don't find anything on the VM web page)

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Philosophy on Tool Installations

2007-07-09 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
What is the best practice for installing tools into the z/VM space? 

1. Do you create a mini-disk for each tool and have everyone who needs it 
link to that disk for the time needed to use the tool?

2. Do you create a common mini-disk that is accessed by every user?

(in z/OS I would put the tools into their own libraries and then put those 
libraries into the linklist if everyone needed access or provide 
information on how to steplib for those infrequent uses).

Thanks (and please forgive the mention of z/OS)

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Re: What VM oldest level can you bring Z/VM 5.3 2nd level?

2007-07-09 Thread Stephen Frazier
z/VM 5.x must run in a 64-bit machine. As I recall the first VM that supported 64-bit virtual 
machines was 3.1. So z/VM 5.3 running as a guest would need to be on a 3.1 or higher VM.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Actually:

Can you  bring it up under VM 2.2

( I was thinking no, but I don't find anything on the VM web page)


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Re: Philosophy on Tool Installations

2007-07-09 Thread Stephen Frazier
The answer is yes. A tool that is only needed by a few would be placed on its own mini-disk and 
linked to by those who need it. A tool that is used by almost everyone is placed on the Y disk so 
everyone has access to it all the time.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What is the best practice for installing tools into the z/VM space?

1. Do you create a mini-disk for each tool and have everyone who needs 
it link to that disk for the time needed to use the tool?


2. Do you create a common mini-disk that is accessed by every user?

(in z/OS I would put the tools into their own libraries and then put 
those libraries into the linklist if everyone needed access or provide 
information on how to steplib for those infrequent uses).


Thanks (and please forgive the mention of z/OS)



--
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Information Technology Unit
Oklahoma Department of Corrections
3400 Martin Luther King
Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298
Tel.: (405) 425-2549
Fax: (405) 425-2554
Pager: (405) 690-1828
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Re: Philosophy on Tool Installations

2007-07-09 Thread Thomas Kern
I try to use a separate minidisk/sfs-directory for the installation and
maintenance of each tool. But for production, I try to have two minidisks
,
one for general users and one for sysprogs. The Y-disk is my favorite spo
t
for the general user tools. On my IFL VM system, I am trying to use R for

the sysprog disk (MAINT 19F).

BTW, don't worry about using that name (z/OS) or even that other name (MV
S).
A lot of us have been providing virtual machines for those systems to run
 in
for a long time.   :)

/Tom Kern
/301-903-2211

On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:30:19 -0700, Lionel B. Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
What is the best practice for installing tools into the z/VM space? 

1. Do you create a mini-disk for each tool and have everyone who needs i
t 
link to that disk for the time needed to use the tool?

2. Do you create a common mini-disk that is accessed by every user?

(in z/OS I would put the tools into their own libraries and then put tho
se 
libraries into the linklist if everyone needed access or provide 
information on how to steplib for those infrequent uses).

Thanks (and please forgive the mention of z/OS)

Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist 


Re: SHOW still available ?

2007-07-09 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
Kris - your tool looks very nice - thank you for sharing it.

Since it will not view open files I am going to have to look for a product 
(VM:Spool it would appear).

Thanks

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DAVE's words about TRANSFER brings some memories back:
You also might want to have a look at my URLIST package: it shows the 
RDR/PUN/PRT queue of other users in an RDRLIST-like way.  It provides a 
PEEK command, but that PEEK will involve a TRANSFER of the file to your 
RDR-queue, PEEK, and TRANSFER back.  Drawback: this TRANSFER process will 
change the spool file number (and if you'd LOGOFF before we can transfer 
back, the file remains in your reader). 

2007/7/9, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
If your virtual machine has the needed set of CP privileges, you can
TRANSFER the prt file from the owning user's prt queue to your RDR
queue. SHOW can then browse it
Try reading the onlne help for the TRANSFER command. 

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Re: What VM oldest level can you bring Z/VM 5.3 2nd level?

2007-07-09 Thread Nick Laflamme
And, as I recall, there were problems going from VM/ESA 2.2 to some 
later z/VM releases, like 4.2; we had to go to 2.4 before we could get 
4.2 to come up second-level. I don't know if 3.1 would have the same 
problems coming from 2.2.


(Anybody got Bingo! yet on their releases Bingo card?)

Nick

Stephen Frazier wrote:
z/VM 5.x must run in a 64-bit machine. As I recall the first VM that 
supported 64-bit virtual machines was 3.1. So z/VM 5.3 running as a 
guest would need to be on a 3.1 or higher VM.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Actually:

Can you  bring it up under VM 2.2

( I was thinking no, but I don't find anything on the VM web page)




Re: SHOW still available ?

2007-07-09 Thread Huegel, Thomas
You might want to checkout SPEDIT .. very good for the price.

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Kris - your tool looks very nice - thank you for sharing it. 

Since it will not view open files I am going to have to look for a product
(VM:Spool it would appear). 

Thanks




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DAVE's words about TRANSFER brings some memories back:
You also might want to have a look at my URLIST package: it shows the
RDR/PUN/PRT queue of other users in an RDRLIST-like way.  It provides a PEEK
command, but that PEEK will involve a TRANSFER of the file to your
RDR-queue, PEEK, and TRANSFER back.  Drawback: this TRANSFER process will
change the spool file number (and if you'd LOGOFF before we can transfer
back, the file remains in your reader). 

2007/7/9, Dave Jones   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
If your virtual machine has the needed set of CP privileges, you can
TRANSFER the prt file from the owning user's prt queue to your RDR
queue. SHOW can then browse it
Try reading the onlne help for the TRANSFER command. 

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Re: Philosophy on Tool Installations

2007-07-09 Thread Judson West
We have three separate tools disks. They are 1) local tools for general
use accessed as filemode X, 2) a systems programming tools disk for systems
programming users and various service machines accessed as filemode F, and
3) a developer maintained tools disk for our development folks and it is
accessed before the local tools disk but after the S-disk as filemode T. We
have some program product disks which are separated out by IBM and non-IBM
products and they are accessed between S and Z. These are all fixed at
logon time. Some tools/products that require a disk load of stuff get
accessed by an invocation EXEC on the appropriate tools disk (normally
determined by who supports the EXEC).



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What is the best practice for installing tools into the z/VM space? 

1. Do you create a mini-disk for each tool and have everyone who needs it
link to that disk for the time needed to use the tool? 

2. Do you create a common mini-disk that is accessed by every user? 

(in z/OS I would put the tools into their own libraries and then put those
libraries into the linklist if everyone needed access or provide
information on how to steplib for those infrequent uses). 

Thanks (and please forgive the mention of z/OS)

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Enterprise Platform Services, Mainframe Engineering 
KP-IT Enterprise Engineering, Client and Platform Engineering Services
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Re: Philosophy on Tool Installations

2007-07-09 Thread Adam Thornton

On Jul 9, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Stephen Frazier wrote:

The answer is yes. A tool that is only needed by a few would be  
placed on its own mini-disk and linked to by those who need it. A  
tool that is used by almost everyone is placed on the Y disk so  
everyone has access to it all the time.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What is the best practice for installing tools into the z/VM space?
1. Do you create a mini-disk for each tool and have everyone who  
needs it link to that disk for the time needed to use the tool?

2. Do you create a common mini-disk that is accessed by every user?
(in z/OS I would put the tools into their own libraries and then  
put those libraries into the linklist if everyone needed access or  
provide information on how to steplib for those infrequent uses).

Thanks (and please forgive the mention of z/OS)


I recommend using SFS rather than a minidisk, myself.  Wastes less  
space, and I find that directories are easier to manage than keeping  
track of a bunch of different minidisks with no hierarchical  
organization.


Adam


Re: Philosophy on Tool Installations

2007-07-09 Thread George Haddad
Our philosophy has always been to leave the 19E/Y-disk for IBM. 3rd 
Party and homegrown public tools were  put on our P-disk (public), 
19A at MSU. A hook into SYSPROF accessed this for all users.
(Sysprog tools were on a separate disk, as are Ops-only tools) Accessing 
our public disk at P meant that it was searched prior to the S or Y, so 
that we could put cover Execs and the like on it. Some tools (certain 
compilers and database software --- things with lots of individual 
files)  were kept on their own disks, with front-end wrappers placed put 
on our P-disk to Link/Access/Execute those tools. These wrappers were 
1-liner execs which called a generic table-lookup/link/access tool, 
also on our P-disk.
Thus when changes we needed to the wrappers they could be done in a 
single executable.


Stephen Frazier wrote:
The answer is yes. A tool that is only needed by a few would be placed 
on its own mini-disk and linked to by those who need it. A tool that 
is used by almost everyone is placed on the Y disk so everyone has 
access to it all the time.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What is the best practice for installing tools into the z/VM space?

1. Do you create a mini-disk for each tool and have everyone who 
needs it link to that disk for the time needed to use the tool?


2. Do you create a common mini-disk that is accessed by every user?

(in z/OS I would put the tools into their own libraries and then put 
those libraries into the linklist if everyone needed access or 
provide information on how to steplib for those infrequent uses).


Thanks (and please forgive the mention of z/OS)





Re: Philosophy on Tool Installations

2007-07-09 Thread Dave Jones
As Adam had already mentioned, using the SFS to store either site 
specific or generic VM tools and utilities is a good idea. It has the 
following advantages over using minidisks:
1) easier to maintain multiple versions of a tool; different versions in 
 separate subdirectories

2) easier to keep track of what's what.
3) much better control of file access permissions; both by directory and 
by individual files in a directory

4) less wasted space

Also, look into using the IBM provided VMLINK utility for users to 
access the tool repositories they need (either those stored on minidisks 
or in SFS directories...). It's a very handy way of making tools and 
products available; and it can handle dependencies between tools and 
products as well. Check it out


George Haddad wrote:
Our philosophy has always been to leave the 19E/Y-disk for IBM. 3rd 
Party and homegrown public tools were  put on our P-disk (public), 
19A at MSU. A hook into SYSPROF accessed this for all users.
(Sysprog tools were on a separate disk, as are Ops-only tools) Accessing 
our public disk at P meant that it was searched prior to the S or Y, so 
that we could put cover Execs and the like on it. Some tools (certain 
compilers and database software --- things with lots of individual 
files)  were kept on their own disks, with front-end wrappers placed put 
on our P-disk to Link/Access/Execute those tools. These wrappers were 
1-liner execs which called a generic table-lookup/link/access tool, 
also on our P-disk.
Thus when changes we needed to the wrappers they could be done in a 
single executable.


Stephen Frazier wrote:
The answer is yes. A tool that is only needed by a few would be placed 
on its own mini-disk and linked to by those who need it. A tool that 
is used by almost everyone is placed on the Y disk so everyone has 
access to it all the time.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What is the best practice for installing tools into the z/VM space?

1. Do you create a mini-disk for each tool and have everyone who 
needs it link to that disk for the time needed to use the tool?


2. Do you create a common mini-disk that is accessed by every user?

(in z/OS I would put the tools into their own libraries and then put 
those libraries into the linklist if everyone needed access or 
provide information on how to steplib for those infrequent uses).


Thanks (and please forgive the mention of z/OS)





--
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V/Soft


Re: What VM oldest level can you bring Z/VM 5.3 2nd level?

2007-07-09 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 07/09/2007 at 12:49 MST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Actually: 
 Can you  bring it up under VM 2.2 

No.  z/VM V5 requires z/Architecture, but VM/ESA does not support 
z/Architecture guests.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: SHOW still available ?

2007-07-09 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
Does SPEDIT allow you to view an active/open spool file?

I'm assuming VM:Spool does as I seem to recall being told that (but can't 
recall for sure)

Thanks

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Kris - your tool looks very nice - thank you for sharing it. 

Since it will not view open files I am going to have to look for a product 
(VM:Spool it would appear). 

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DAVE's words about TRANSFER brings some memories back:
You also might want to have a look at my URLIST package: it shows the 
RDR/PUN/PRT queue of other users in an RDRLIST-like way.  It provides a 
PEEK command, but that PEEK will involve a TRANSFER of the file to your 
RDR-queue, PEEK, and TRANSFER back.  Drawback: this TRANSFER process will 
change the spool file number (and if you'd LOGOFF before we can transfer 
back, the file remains in your reader). 

2007/7/9, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
If your virtual machine has the needed set of CP privileges, you can
TRANSFER the prt file from the owning user's prt queue to your RDR
queue. SHOW can then browse it
Try reading the onlne help for the TRANSFER command. 

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Re: SHOW still available ?

2007-07-09 Thread Huegel, Thomas
Yes it does.

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Does SPEDIT allow you to view an active/open spool file? 

I'm assuming VM:Spool does as I seem to recall being told that (but can't
recall for sure) 

Thanks




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Kris - your tool looks very nice - thank you for sharing it. 

Since it will not view open files I am going to have to look for a product
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DAVE's words about TRANSFER brings some memories back:
You also might want to have a look at my URLIST package: it shows the
RDR/PUN/PRT queue of other users in an RDRLIST-like way.  It provides a PEEK
command, but that PEEK will involve a TRANSFER of the file to your
RDR-queue, PEEK, and TRANSFER back.  Drawback: this TRANSFER process will
change the spool file number (and if you'd LOGOFF before we can transfer
back, the file remains in your reader). 

2007/7/9, Dave Jones   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
If your virtual machine has the needed set of CP privileges, you can
TRANSFER the prt file from the owning user's prt queue to your RDR
queue. SHOW can then browse it
Try reading the onlne help for the TRANSFER command. 

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Re: Philosophy on Tool Installations

2007-07-09 Thread Schuh, Richard
Our approach is very similar to George's. We access the tools disk as R
rather than P. We also have an SFS directory for local System Programmer
tools. The latter does not include things we might need in an emergency;
those go on a minidisk.

We have another disk that is the common 191 for home grown service
machines. It is accessed as B/A before the driver is started. All code
written for the service machines goes on this disk. By doing this, we
know where the code is when a server has trouble.  

There are a few good reasons for having the tools and common files on
disk rather than SFS. One is that they are available even if SFS is
down. This includes the time before SFS is initialized, the time you
have SFS in dedicated maintenance mode (e.g. while increasing the size
of the catalog minidisks), or it is down for some other reason. 

And for those who say that SFS is so reliable that its being down is of
no concern, I say take off those rose colored glasses. We have had 2
major and one minor outage of SFS in the past 3 years. We were hamstrung
for 2 days when the catalog was corrupted. This was following a
datacenter migration - the disks were transferred via wire. The problem
did not show up for 3 days. When it surfaced, it showed up as a CP
abend. When we finally connected the repeated abends with SFS, we had to
take the server down and send a copy of the catalog to the support
center where a tailored zap was created that would, in essence, cause
the server to skip over the corrupted catalog entries. This was an
iterative process. After zapping the catalog, we were able to unload the
filepool, generate a filepool using new disks, and reload the data to
it. 

More recently, we have had to take the server down to increase the size
of the catalog disks (twice). When we increased the size the first time,
we underestimated how rapidly it would grow.  SFS had been in use for
several years and was fairly large at the time. We thought we were being
generous when we gave the catalog 4 times the space that it occupied
before. We were wrong. That only lasted about a year and a half.



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Our philosophy has always been to leave the 19E/Y-disk for IBM. 3rd 
Party and homegrown public tools were  put on our P-disk (public), 
19A at MSU. A hook into SYSPROF accessed this for all users.
(Sysprog tools were on a separate disk, as are Ops-only tools) Accessing

our public disk at P meant that it was searched prior to the S or Y, so 
that we could put cover Execs and the like on it. Some tools (certain 
compilers and database software --- things with lots of individual 
files)  were kept on their own disks, with front-end wrappers placed put

on our P-disk to Link/Access/Execute those tools. These wrappers were 
1-liner execs which called a generic table-lookup/link/access tool, 
also on our P-disk.
Thus when changes we needed to the wrappers they could be done in a 
single executable.

Stephen Frazier wrote:
 The answer is yes. A tool that is only needed by a few would be placed

 on its own mini-disk and linked to by those who need it. A tool that 
 is used by almost everyone is placed on the Y disk so everyone has 
 access to it all the time.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What is the best practice for installing tools into the z/VM space?

 1. Do you create a mini-disk for each tool and have everyone who 
 needs it link to that disk for the time needed to use the tool?

 2. Do you create a common mini-disk that is accessed by every user?

 (in z/OS I would put the tools into their own libraries and then put 
 those libraries into the linklist if everyone needed access or 
 provide information on how to steplib for those infrequent uses).

 Thanks (and please forgive the mention of z/OS)




Re: Philosophy on Tool Installations

2007-07-09 Thread David Boyes
 Our approach is very similar to George's. We access the tools disk as
R
 rather than P. We also have an SFS directory for local System
Programmer
 tools. The latter does not include things we might need in an
emergency;
 those go on a minidisk.

The method I've always favored is a variation of #2. We used to have a
common minidisk (MAINT 31A for historical reasons) accessed as X (after
S but before Y, so you get the real IBM utilities before the local stuff
unless you explicitly ask for them) in SYSPROF EXEC. 

I then defined a target in VMLINK NAMES for each product I want to make
available, which includes the location of the product (minidisk or SFS
owner, directory, pre/post access setup execs, etc) and ensure the copy
of VMLINK NAMES is updated on the X disk. I then supply a small cover
exec that checks to see if the product disk has previously been
accessed. If it has not been previously accessed, the cover exec does a
VMLINK for the product (replacing an earlier home-grown exec called
OBTAIN -- alas, OBTAIN, another lost tool with the death of RICEVM1...)
and then reissues the command with the original parameter list. If it
was already available, the cover exec just passed the parameters through
to the real executable. 

This approach kept everything nice and neat, allowed a mixture of SFS
and minidisk installs, and dealt nicely with the IBM stuff attempting to
dump random stuff on MAINT 19E, which required a resave of the Y-STAT
segment. 

Of course, this really matters a whole lot more if you have lots of CMS
users. If all you have are a bunch of Linux guests with rare CMS
sessions by well-behaved systems folks, just make 19E big and let the
IBM execs dump stuff on there at will -- SES has improved enough to be
able to sort stuff out properly for IBM-packaged goodies when you do
your upgrades. A second minidisk accessed in either PROFILE EXEC or
SYSPROF EXEC for your local goodies is still a good idea, though --
Mother's Law still applies. 

 And for those who say that SFS is so reliable that its being down is
of
 no concern, I say take off those rose colored glasses.

Especially if you do not have a 3rd party backup utility and have to
rely on FILESERV BACKUP as your SFS backup utility. Getting a truly
clean backup of a SFS pool w/o 3rd party tooling is highly disruptive --
most CMS apps don't deal well with their disks suddenly going read-only
without warning. 


Re: How to determine if running as a multitasking CMS app

2007-07-09 Thread Gillis, Mark
In case anyone's interested, I raised this with IBM. Their response was
that testing NUCMTDSP wouldn't work, the only way possible being to run
the CMS control blocks. Unfortunately, these control blocks have the
note This information is NOT intended to be used as Programming
Interfaces of z/VM

... which makes me a little uneasy about doing it this way. I guess it's
all there is, though.



From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gillis, Mark
Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 11:07 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: How to determine if running as a multitasking CMS app

 

I need to determine if my code is being called by a multitasking CMS
program (i.e., with entrypoint VMSTART) or not. It seems that it is
valid to issue almost any multitasking CMS call from a program that
hasn't been linked as a multitasking CMS application, except for
ThreadCreate and EventTrap, so at worst I could resort to issuing a
ThreadCreate and check the results, but this seems to be a pretty
expensive way to do it. I've noticed that the flag NUCMTDSP in the NUCON
seems to be set when a multitasking CMS app is active.

 

Does anyone know if there's a proper way to do this?



Re: How to determine if running as a multitasking CMS app

2007-07-09 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 07/10/2007 at 10:16ZE10, Gillis, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 In case anyone?s interested, I raised this with IBM. Their response was 
that 
 testing NUCMTDSP wouldn?t work, the only way possible being to run the 
CMS 
 control blocks. Unfortunately, these control blocks have the note?This 
 information is NOT intended to be used as Programming Interfaces of 
z/VM?
 
 ? which makes me a little uneasy about doing it this way. I guess it?s 
all 
 there is, though.

I have some assembler code that can run with C or Pascal (called prior to 
entering the real module).  I put in a WXTRN for CEESTART and VSPASCAL 
in order to figure out whether it is running in an LE environment or not. 
Could you put in a WXTRN for VMSTART?   If the adcon is non-zero, then 
VMSTART was linked.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: How to determine if running as a multitasking CMS app

2007-07-09 Thread Gillis, Mark
Unfortunately, not applicable to what I'm doing - the module where I'm
doing this is CMSCALL'd by a client application, so it's not linked in,
and I need to maintain backward compatibility, so it needs to stay that
way. 

Good idea, though.

Mark Gillis
Senior Software Engineer
Tel: +61 2 9429 2337
Fax: +61 2 9429 2394
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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On Tuesday, 07/10/2007 at 10:16ZE10, Gillis, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]

wrote:
 In case anyone?s interested, I raised this with IBM. Their response
was 
that 
 testing NUCMTDSP wouldn?t work, the only way possible being to run the

CMS 
 control blocks. Unfortunately, these control blocks have the note?This

 information is NOT intended to be used as Programming Interfaces of 
z/VM?
 
 ? which makes me a little uneasy about doing it this way. I guess it?s

all 
 there is, though.

I have some assembler code that can run with C or Pascal (called prior
to 
entering the real module).  I put in a WXTRN for CEESTART and VSPASCAL

in order to figure out whether it is running in an LE environment or
not. 
Could you put in a WXTRN for VMSTART?   If the adcon is non-zero, then 
VMSTART was linked.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: How to determine if running as a multitasking CMS app

2007-07-09 Thread Don Russell

Not sure if this will work but...

Can you use DMSCALLER to look back to see who called you... do that 
repeatedly (looking further and further back) until you:

A - find the origin of the universe you currently know
or
B - find VMSTART

You would only need to do this one time when your program starts, then 
set your own flag for other parts to check as needed.


Or (untested), try calling an MT function (that actually requires 
MT) if it works, you're MT; if not, you're not. (Might need an ESPIE 
or similar routine to catch an abend.)






Gillis, Mark wrote:

Unfortunately, not applicable to what I'm doing - the module where I'm
doing this is CMSCALL'd by a client application, so it's not linked in,
and I need to maintain backward compatibility, so it needs to stay that
way. 


Good idea, though.

Mark Gillis
Senior Software Engineer
Tel: +61 2 9429 2337
Fax: +61 2 9429 2394
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Behalf Of Alan Altmark
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2007 10:59 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: How to determine if running as a multitasking CMS app

On Tuesday, 07/10/2007 at 10:16ZE10, Gillis, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]

wrote:
  

In case anyone?s interested, I raised this with IBM. Their response

was 
that 
  

testing NUCMTDSP wouldn?t work, the only way possible being to run the



CMS 
  

control blocks. Unfortunately, these control blocks have the note?This



  
information is NOT intended to be used as Programming Interfaces of 


z/VM?
  

? which makes me a little uneasy about doing it this way. I guess it?s



all 
  

there is, though.



I have some assembler code that can run with C or Pascal (called prior
to 
entering the real module).  I put in a WXTRN for CEESTART and VSPASCAL


in order to figure out whether it is running in an LE environment or
not. 
Could you put in a WXTRN for VMSTART?   If the adcon is non-zero, then 
VMSTART was linked.


Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott
  


Re: How to determine if running as a multitasking CMS app

2007-07-09 Thread Gillis, Mark
DMSCALLER returned the name of the calling load module - not VMSTART.
Not to worry - running the chain of PSD's seems to work, I'll just keep
my fingers crossed that it stays that way.
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Don Russell
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2007 11:29 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: How to determine if running as a multitasking CMS app

Not sure if this will work but...

Can you use DMSCALLER to look back to see who called you... do that 
repeatedly (looking further and further back) until you:
A - find the origin of the universe you currently know
or
B - find VMSTART

You would only need to do this one time when your program starts, then 
set your own flag for other parts to check as needed.

Or (untested), try calling an MT function (that actually requires 
MT) if it works, you're MT; if not, you're not. (Might need an ESPIE

or similar routine to catch an abend.)





Gillis, Mark wrote:
 Unfortunately, not applicable to what I'm doing - the module where I'm
 doing this is CMSCALL'd by a client application, so it's not linked
in,
 and I need to maintain backward compatibility, so it needs to stay
that
 way. 

 Good idea, though.

 Mark Gillis
 Senior Software Engineer
 Tel: +61 2 9429 2337
 Fax: +61 2 9429 2394
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of Alan Altmark
 Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2007 10:59 AM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Re: How to determine if running as a multitasking CMS app

 On Tuesday, 07/10/2007 at 10:16ZE10, Gillis, Mark
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:
   
 In case anyone?s interested, I raised this with IBM. Their response
 
 was 
 that 
   
 testing NUCMTDSP wouldn?t work, the only way possible being to run
the
 

 CMS 
   
 control blocks. Unfortunately, these control blocks have the
note?This
 

   
 information is NOT intended to be used as Programming Interfaces of 
 
 z/VM?
   
 ? which makes me a little uneasy about doing it this way. I guess
it?s
 

 all 
   
 there is, though.
 

 I have some assembler code that can run with C or Pascal (called prior
 to 
 entering the real module).  I put in a WXTRN for CEESTART and
VSPASCAL

 in order to figure out whether it is running in an LE environment or
 not. 
 Could you put in a WXTRN for VMSTART?   If the adcon is non-zero, then

 VMSTART was linked.

 Alan Altmark
 z/VM Development
 IBM Endicott
   


Re: How to determine if running as a multitasking CMS app

2007-07-09 Thread Rick Troth
I'm not convinced that running the chain is the right solution.
Sure,  it names the caller(s),  but that's hardly a programatic way
to determine if you're in an MT environment.

-- R;

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Gillis, Mark wrote:

 DMSCALLER returned the name of the calling load module - not VMSTART.
 Not to worry - running the chain of PSD's seems to work, I'll just keep
 my fingers crossed that it stays that way.
 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Don Russell
 Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2007 11:29 AM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Re: How to determine if running as a multitasking CMS app

 Not sure if this will work but...

 Can you use DMSCALLER to look back to see who called you... do that
 repeatedly (looking further and further back) until you:
 A - find the origin of the universe you currently know
 or
 B - find VMSTART

 You would only need to do this one time when your program starts, then
 set your own flag for other parts to check as needed.

 Or (untested), try calling an MT function (that actually requires
 MT) if it works, you're MT; if not, you're not. (Might need an ESPIE

 or similar routine to catch an abend.)





 Gillis, Mark wrote:
  Unfortunately, not applicable to what I'm doing - the module where I'm
  doing this is CMSCALL'd by a client application, so it's not linked
 in,
  and I need to maintain backward compatibility, so it needs to stay
 that
  way.
 
  Good idea, though.
 
  Mark Gillis
  Senior Software Engineer
  Tel: +61 2 9429 2337
  Fax: +61 2 9429 2394
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  -Original Message-
  From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
  Behalf Of Alan Altmark
  Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2007 10:59 AM
  To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
  Subject: Re: How to determine if running as a multitasking CMS app
 
  On Tuesday, 07/10/2007 at 10:16ZE10, Gillis, Mark
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  wrote:
 
  In case anyone?s interested, I raised this with IBM. Their response
 
  was
  that
 
  testing NUCMTDSP wouldn?t work, the only way possible being to run
 the
 
 
  CMS
 
  control blocks. Unfortunately, these control blocks have the
 note?This
 
 
 
  information is NOT intended to be used as Programming Interfaces of
 
  z/VM?
 
  ? which makes me a little uneasy about doing it this way. I guess
 it?s
 
 
  all
 
  there is, though.
 
 
  I have some assembler code that can run with C or Pascal (called prior
  to
  entering the real module).  I put in a WXTRN for CEESTART and
 VSPASCAL
 
  in order to figure out whether it is running in an LE environment or
  not.
  Could you put in a WXTRN for VMSTART?   If the adcon is non-zero, then

  VMSTART was linked.
 
  Alan Altmark
  z/VM Development
  IBM Endicott
 



Re: How to determine if running as a multitasking CMS app

2007-07-09 Thread Rick Troth
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Alan Altmark wrote:

 I have some assembler code that can run with C or Pascal (called prior to
 entering the real module).  I put in a WXTRN for CEESTART and VSPASCAL
 in order to figure out whether it is running in an LE environment or not.
 Could you put in a WXTRN for VMSTART?   If the adcon is non-zero, then
 VMSTART was linked.

I've made a note of your recommendation.
But this still only tells us that VMSTART is in the mix.
Someone please convince me that this is sufficient.

-- R;


Re: Philosophy on Tool Installations

2007-07-09 Thread Rick Troth
Lots of good responses to your question.

VMLINK is so much better than OBTAIN which Dave Boyes mentioned.

At most (all?) of the shops where I have worked,
there has been at least some use of the minidisk-per-tool model,
even a different minidisk for each release of a given tool or package.
Record the VMID and minidisk address in VMLINK NAMES and it should
work very smoothly.  You can (should) write and EXEC to front-end
the most relevant commands in the package so it is automatic
and then put that on the 319 or 31A disk or some such.

What I like about it is that it isolates the software as shipped
from both user space and from other packages as well as from the O/S.
(One of Melinda's rules:  don't co-mingle the O/S and third party stuff.)

Windows and Unix mess things up:
They tend to install everything together.
Windows at least now has  C:\Program Files  and Unix has /opt.
But the implementation doesn't seem to be well understood.

In Unix,  there may be a wrapper or a sym-link in /usr/local/bin
that enables each package,  if they are not installed mixed together.
Our wrapper EXECs on VM to do the link  access part are similar.

ADD TO ALL THIS the Unix (and Linux) concept of an automounter.
Put tools on a disk or directory that is mounted on-the-fly,
quite like we do things in VM land with link  access on-the-fly.
If more tools were installed this way,  then upgrades would be
much smoother.  You could even let more than one release of a given
software package co-exist on the same system.

VMLINK is really slick.
It robustly handles RELEASE and DETACH.
Correlation to Unix is that automounter should unmount
unused disks or directories.  (It tries silently.  Very nice.)

-- R;


z/VM 5.3.0 BookManager Index is broken

2007-07-09 Thread Alan Ackerman
Am I the only one who still uses BookManager/Read on VM?

The index file (HCSH2A90 BKINDEX) for the z/VM V5R3.0 Bookshelf has a 
broken title. 

Today I used the IBM Softcopy Librarian to download the z/VM 5.3.0 
BookManager manuals from the Internet. When I run the Bookmanager/Read fo
r 
VM command:

BOOKMGR * (SHELF

I see:
  * Bookshelves
 

Shelf Name   Description 

...
HCSH2A90 /u/wooster/data/cmvc.d/CT_dummy.d/shelfinde  
  

when I should see:

HCSH2A90 z/VM V5R3.0 Bookshelf  

or soemething similar.

The same problem happened for the OSA/SF, EREP, and ICKDSF bookshelves in
 
the last BookManager distribution. I reported this on IBMLink, but the ne
w 
versions are still broken. All of the following now have gibberish titles
:

HCSH2A90 BKINDEX
IOA2BK72 BKINDEX
IFC5BK05 BKINDEX
ICK41917 BKINDEX

The last time, I rebuilt the three broken BKINDEX files from the BKSHELF 

files, using the INDEX EXEC that comes with BookManager/Read. I was able 

to rebuild three of them this time, but I cannot rebuild HCSH2A90 BKINDEX
. 
I get:

EIJIND920S EIJBOOK error 40 processing Index.

  EIJIND920S  
  EIJBOOK error returncode processing command.

  Explanation:  A critical error was generated by EIJBOOK when it tried t
o
  perform the specified command.  For example, if you do not have enough
  memory available the Index utility displays a return code of 38.  If yo
u
  do not have sufficient disk space the Index utility return code of 40 i
s
  displayed.

Perhaps I ran out of A-disk space? I created a 3338 cylinder A disk, but 

still got the message. I tried 16M, 128M, and 2047M virtaul machine sizes
 
wiht the same results.

Does anyone have any idea how where I can get or create a correct HCSH2A9
0 
BKINDEX? I can opearte with only the BKSHELF file, and no BKINDEX, but 

then searching the bookshelf is horribly slow.

I'm not sure what product I should open an incident to on IBMLink. My las
t 
attempt cost me a lot of time with no solution provided.