Re: Trapping output right after LOGON
The cause is what in my eyes is a very old bug, it exists since the VM/XA days; VM/SP had it right: in the VM/XA family, when a disconnected user, without a secondary user, causes a VM READ, it is translated into a CP READ With SECONDARY user one can correct the problem: SEND a BEGIN command With OBSERVER one is stuck: one can send a BEGIN, but the following VM READ is again translated in CP READ. If that could be fixed... Or am I dreaming too much 2010/3/3 Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com On Wednesday, 03/03/2010 at 12:04 EST, Steve Marak sama...@gizmoworks.com wrote: We've seen these additional differences between SECUSER and OBSERVER processing - Secondary user sees message HCP150A when the primary is disconnected and VM or CP read is issued, observer does not. It doesn't appear that an OBSERVER, even with class C SEND, can satisfy a VM read issued by a disconnected user. On our system, the SEND is honored, but everything is processed by CP on the target user, whereas with SECUSER, the input is passed to the guest unless sent with SEND CP. I know that's poorly worded. Example: USERA has USERB as SECUSER, is disconnected, RUN ON, and issues a VM READ. USERB (with or without class C) does SEND USERA Q DISK and sees the normal CMS Q DISK output. USERA has USERB as OBSERVER, is disconnected, RUN ON, and issues a VM READ. USERB (who has class C) does SEND USERA Q DISK and sees HCPCQV003E Invalid Option - DISK. On my system, I don't get any output at all; the command simply goes into the target user's console input buffer. Subsequent SENDs get RC=36 console input waiting (aka NOT ACCEPTED) and I have to SEND CP USERA ATTN to the guest to process the command QUERY DISK. (I don't get HCP003E, implying equivalent of TERM MODE CP on the target.) It all works fine with SECUSER, though I get the same no-output problem on the first SEND after I turn off OBSERVER and turn on SECUSER. As far as failing to get HCP150A, that is somewhat ambiguous. As with SET OBSERVER, the SET SECUSER command does not document that one could expect to get HCP150A, but it is mentioned on CP SEND as the impetus to issue the SEND. It gets a little stranger since OBSERVER works with a connected user, but HCP150A is issued only when the primary is disconnected. I think a call to the Support Center is in order. IMO: - HCP150A should be sent to an observer as well as to a secondary user - HCP150A should be send to an observer even if the primary is logged on - The results of a class C SEND should be the same whether you are observer or secuser Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
VSWITCH
I think I know the answer to this. Can a VSWITCH be used for any guest OS running under z/VM? IE: z/VSE, z/OS, etc. Thanks, Billy
Re: VSWITCH
Hi, Billy. I believe that if the guest o/s (z/OS, z/VSE, etc.) supports an OSA adapter for TCP/IP connectivity, then yes, it should work with a VSWITCH. On 03/03/2010 09:49 AM, Billy R. Bingham wrote: I think I know the answer to this. Can a VSWITCH be used for any guest OS running under z/VM? IE: z/VSE, z/OS, etc. Thanks, Billy -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544
Re: VSWITCH
On 03/03/2010 09:49 AM, Billy R. Bingham wrote: I think I know the answer to this. Can a VSWITCH be used for any guest OS running under z/VM? IE: z/VSE, z/OS, etc. Thanks, Billy Yes, absolutely. -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2010 - Apr 9-13, 2010 Covington, KY
Re: VSWITCH
Wouldn't it be more correct to qualify it with something like: ... as long as the guest supports a QDIO interface for TCP/IP.?? There are still lots of old guests floating around that do not understand QDIO... Mike Hammock - Original Message - From: Rich Smrcina r...@velocitysoftware.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:02 AM Subject: Re: VSWITCH On 03/03/2010 09:49 AM, Billy R. Bingham wrote: I think I know the answer to this. Can a VSWITCH be used for any guest OS running under z/VM? IE: z/VSE, z/OS, etc. Thanks, Billy Yes, absolutely. -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2010 - Apr 9-13, 2010 Covington, KY
Re: VSWITCH
Point taken, but they are pretty old. I have a customer on VSE/ESA 2.7 using the VSwitch exclusively. VSE/ESA 2.7 has been out of support for many years. On 03/03/2010 10:38 AM, Mike At HammockTree wrote: Wouldn't it be more correct to qualify it with something like: ... as long as the guest supports a QDIO interface for TCP/IP.?? There are still lots of old guests floating around that do not understand QDIO... Mike Hammock -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2010 - Apr 9-13, 2010 Covington, KY
Re: VSWITCH
There isn't VSwitch support on VSE/ESA 2.3.2 G. It also didn't seem to work (well I gave up) in converting SLES7 guests to VSwitch. I didn't have problems with SLES8 guests. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Rich Smrcina r...@velocitysoftware.com 3/3/2010 10:55 AM Point taken, but they are pretty old. I have a customer on VSE/ESA 2.7 using the VSwitch exclusively. VSE/ESA 2.7 has been out of support for many years. On 03/03/2010 10:38 AM, Mike At HammockTree wrote: Wouldn't it be more correct to qualify it with something like: ... as long as the guest supports a QDIO interface for TCP/IP.?? There are still lots of old guests floating around that do not understand QDIO... Mike Hammock -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2010 - Apr 9-13, 2010 Covington, KY
Boulder Pub site
Is anyone having problems with the Boulder publication website? I get an IBM webpage that indicates it is not available. Steve
Re: Boulder Pub site
On 03/03/2010 12:55 PM, Gentry, Stephen wrote: Is anyone having problems with the Boulder publication website? I get an IBM webpage that indicates it is not available. Steve I had a RACF book open and just refreshed the page and it didn't give me any problems. Been using it off and on most of the morning. -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2010 - Apr 9-13, 2010 Covington, KY
Re: Boulder Pub site
It might help if you could provide a URL, there are several pub sites at IBM Boulder. I've found to be working: http://www.ibm.com/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/isrvagt/sdsadoc.html http://www.ibm.com/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US and more... Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Gentry, Stephen stephen.gen...@lafayettelife.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 03/03/2010 12:55 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Boulder Pub site Is anyone having problems with the Boulder publication website? I get an IBM webpage that indicates it is not available. Steve The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Boulder Pub site
I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. I wanted to download some manuals (not redbooks) and got a 404. Rich, maybe they are one in the same, I don't know. Steve -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:00 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Boulder Pub site On 03/03/2010 12:55 PM, Gentry, Stephen wrote: Is anyone having problems with the Boulder publication website? I get an IBM webpage that indicates it is not available. Steve I had a RACF book open and just refreshed the page and it didn't give me any problems. Been using it off and on most of the morning. -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2010 - Apr 9-13, 2010 Covington, KY
Re: Boulder Pub site
www.elink.ibmlink.ibm.com/public/applications/publications/cgibin/pbi.cg i -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:03 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Boulder Pub site It might help if you could provide a URL, there are several pub sites at IBM Boulder. I've found to be working: http://www.ibm.com/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/isrvagt/sdsadoc.html http://www.ibm.com/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US and more... Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Gentry, Stephen stephen.gen...@lafayettelife.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 03/03/2010 12:55 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Boulder Pub site Is anyone having problems with the Boulder publication website? I get an IBM webpage that indicates it is not available. Steve The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Boulder Pub site
Now there we go... actionable details. That site popped right up for me in IE, and the Chrome browsers. But not Firefox. Try clearing your browser cache, then stopping and restarting it? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Gentry, Stephen stephen.gen...@lafayettelife.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 03/03/2010 01:05 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: Boulder Pub site www.elink.ibmlink.ibm.com/public/applications/publications/cgibin/pbi.cg i -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:03 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Boulder Pub site It might help if you could provide a URL, there are several pub sites at IBM Boulder. I've found to be working: http://www.ibm.com/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/isrvagt/sdsadoc.html http://www.ibm.com/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US and more... Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Gentry, Stephen stephen.gen...@lafayettelife.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 03/03/2010 12:55 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Boulder Pub site Is anyone having problems with the Boulder publication website? I get an IBM webpage that indicates it is not available. Steve The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Boulder Pub site
You know how users are, give as few details as possible. 8-) BTW, your suggestion did the trick. Thanks. Steve -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:22 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Boulder Pub site Now there we go... actionable details. That site popped right up for me in IE, and the Chrome browsers. But not Firefox. Try clearing your browser cache, then stopping and restarting it? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Gentry, Stephen stephen.gen...@lafayettelife.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 03/03/2010 01:05 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: Boulder Pub site www.elink.ibmlink.ibm.com/public/applications/publications/cgibin/pbi.cg i -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:03 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Boulder Pub site It might help if you could provide a URL, there are several pub sites at IBM Boulder. I've found to be working: http://www.ibm.com/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/isrvagt/sdsadoc.html http://www.ibm.com/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US and more... Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Gentry, Stephen stephen.gen...@lafayettelife.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 03/03/2010 12:55 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Boulder Pub site Is anyone having problems with the Boulder publication website? I get an IBM webpage that indicates it is not available. Steve The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Boulder Pub site
Steve, I'm glad it worked again after refreshing your browser cache. We moved that publications site in January to a new location and I was pretty sure I had covered all the older locations with re-directs. The new location you may want to bookmark is: http://www.ibm.com/e-business/linkweb/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US Ronald van der Laan
