Re: DFDSS Dump VM formatted volumes

2009-02-11 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 02/10/2009 at 02:18 EST, Brian France b...@psu.edu wrote:
 We use FDR here. Run CPFMTXA to put an index vtoc on the vol at 0 that 
z/OS can 
 see. FDR then just dumps the entire volume. Once, we did not do CPFMTXA 
and 
 z/OS could not handle the volume. Had to run CPFMTXA on the 0 - 1 cyls 
to put 
 that index vtoc out there. 

Um, not all volumes have a VTOC on cyl 0.  A guest can have cyl 0 and it 
is not *required* to have a VTOC.  If you write one, you may well overlay 
user data.

Of course, if there is no VTOC, the VTOC pointer will be blank (if it is a 
VOL1 label) or, more likely, it will not be VOL1.  FDR/DFDSS need to 
handle these cases.  There's a reason that volume labels follow a set of 
standards!  :-)

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: DFDSS Dump VM formatted volumes

2009-02-11 Thread Brian France

Alan,
   THANX! In our user direct we place a holder on every volume from 
0 1 so no overlay happens. Learned that from this fabulous list and 
just ass/u/me/d it was standard. Had I read this message to begin 
with correctly I would've understood that the individual was looking 
for a how to with DFDSS, not a why overall didn't it work which is 
why I asked if the volume was formatted. We had a guy here get a new 
vol, which had ickdsf run against it from z/OS, did the cpfmtxa label 
only, then filled it with our new experimental sles 10 sp2 shared 
root set up. z/OS failed to back it up or even recognize it. That's 
when we tried the format from 0 1 and it worked for us in that z/OS 
using FDR could then back it up.


At 08:35 AM 2/11/2009, you wrote:

On Tuesday, 02/10/2009 at 02:18 EST, Brian France b...@psu.edu wrote:
 We use FDR here. Run CPFMTXA to put an index vtoc on the vol at 0 that
z/OS can
 see. FDR then just dumps the entire volume. Once, we did not do CPFMTXA
and
 z/OS could not handle the volume. Had to run CPFMTXA on the 0 - 1 cyls
to put
 that index vtoc out there.

Um, not all volumes have a VTOC on cyl 0.  A guest can have cyl 0 and it
is not *required* to have a VTOC.  If you write one, you may well overlay
user data.

Of course, if there is no VTOC, the VTOC pointer will be blank (if it is a
VOL1 label) or, more likely, it will not be VOL1.  FDR/DFDSS need to
handle these cases.  There's a reason that volume labels follow a set of
standards!  :-)

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott



Brian W. France
Systems Administrator (Mainframe)
Pennsylvania State University
Administrative Information Services - Infrastructure/SYSARC
Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802
814-863-4739
b...@psu.edu

To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.

Carl Sagan






DFDSS Dump VM formatted volumes

2009-02-10 Thread frank . rohr
Hi

Just installed z/VM 5.4 and wanted to make a backup from a z/OS LPAR.
DFDSS does not like the vm formatted volume

tried:
DUMP INDDNAME(INDD)- 
 OUTDDNAME(OUTDD)  - 
 COMPRESS  - 
 OPT(4) 

also tried tracks, cpvolume, admin...
 
No tape on the z/VM LPAR (no z/vm silo stk software)

 
So how to ?


Thanks.

Ed Rohr
z/OS Systems Programmer
503-745-9027

Daimler Trucks North America - A Daimler Company

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Re: DFDSS Dump VM formatted volumes

2009-02-10 Thread HOWARD MCCORKLE
I found this works for me: (backing up a mod9 on z/os)
 
//INVOL1   DD VOL=SER=540RES,UNIT=3390,DISP=SHR 
//OUTDD1   DD DSN=MY.VM540RES.BACKUP, 
// LABEL=(1,SL),
// DCB=(TRTCH=COMP),
// VOL=(,,,1),  
// UNIT=JAGT,   
// DISP=(NEW,CATLG,DELETE)  
//SYSINDD*  
  DUMP -
  INDDNAME(INVOL1) -
  OUTDDNAME( -  
OUTDD1 -
) - 
  CANCELERROR - 
  OPTIMIZE(1) - 
  CPVOLUME -
  ADMIN -   
  TRKS(0,0,10016,14)
/*  




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Subject: DFDSS Dump VM formatted volumes



Hi

Just installed z/VM 5.4 and wanted to make a backup from a z/OS LPAR.
DFDSS does not like the vm formatted volume

tried:
DUMP INDDNAME(INDD)- 
 OUTDDNAME(OUTDD)  - 
 COMPRESS  - 
 OPT(4)  

also tried tracks, cpvolume, admin...
 
No tape on the z/VM LPAR (no z/vm silo stk software)

 
So how to ?


Thanks.

Ed Rohr
z/OS Systems Programmer
503-745-9027

Daimler Trucks North America - A Daimler Company
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Re: DFDSS Dump VM formatted volumes

2009-02-10 Thread Brian France
We use FDR here. Run CPFMTXA to put an index vtoc on the vol at 0 
that z/OS can see. FDR then just dumps the entire volume. Once, we 
did not do CPFMTXA and z/OS could not handle the volume. Had to run 
CPFMTXA on the 0 - 1 cyls to put that index vtoc out there.


At 01:04 PM 2/10/2009, frank.r...@daimler.com wrote:


Hi

Just installed z/VM 5.4 and wanted to make a backup from a z/OS LPAR.
DFDSS does not like the vm formatted volume

tried:
DUMP INDDNAME(INDD)-
 OUTDDNAME(OUTDD)  -
 COMPRESS  -
 OPT(4)

also tried tracks, cpvolume, admin...

No tape on the z/VM LPAR (no z/vm silo stk software)


So how to ?


Thanks.

Ed Rohr
z/OS Systems Programmer
503-745-9027

Daimler Trucks North America - A Daimler Company
If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately 
that you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank 
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Brian W. France
Systems Administrator (Mainframe)
Pennsylvania State University
Administrative Information Services - Infrastructure/SYSARC
Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802
814-863-4739
b...@psu.edu

To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.

Carl Sagan






Re: DFDSS Dump VM formatted volumes

2009-02-10 Thread Feller, Paul
 You could use..

3390 mod3:
DUMP -
 INDD(DASD)-
 OUTDD(TAPE1)  -
 ADMINISTRATOR -
 CONCURRENT-
 CPVOLUME  -
 OPTIMIZE(4)   -
 TRKS(0,0,3338,14)

3390 mod9
DUMP -
 INDD(DASD)-
 OUTDD(TAPE1)  -
 ADMINISTRATOR -
 CONCURRENT-
 CPVOLUME  -
 OPTIMIZE(4)   -
 TRKS(0,0,10016,14)


Paul Feller
AIT Mainframe Technical Support




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Of frank.r...@daimler.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:04 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: DFDSS Dump VM formatted volumes


Hi

Just installed z/VM 5.4 and wanted to make a backup from a z/OS LPAR.
DFDSS does not like the vm formatted volume

tried:
DUMP INDDNAME(INDD)-
 OUTDDNAME(OUTDD)  -
 COMPRESS  -
 OPT(4)

also tried tracks, cpvolume, admin...

No tape on the z/VM LPAR (no z/vm silo stk software)


So how to ?


Thanks.

Ed Rohr
z/OS Systems Programmer
503-745-9027

Daimler Trucks North America - A Daimler Company
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