Re: JAVA and Z/VM
Hello Alan, With the UltraQuest and CA-VMWEBGATEWAY products, we are accessing VSE VSAM data directly from z/VM 5.3. Ed Martin 330-588-4723 ext 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:52 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: JAVA and Z/VM On Wednesday, 05/28/2008 at 10:29 EDT, "Edward M. Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are running UltraQuest directly on z/VM and accessing VSAM data. > > I am thinking more of from the Client end, Access SQL server > Non-VM and VSAM data under z/VSE using Connectors or directly from z/VM. You can't access VSE VSAM data directly from z/VM. While the underlying tech in CMS VSAM is VSE VSAM, the API is OS VSAM. Perhaps you can use the new DB2 Server for VSE and VM 7.5 client feature to let CMS reach over to VSE? > I do need to get this gentleman to explain more. That's for sure. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: JAVA and Z/VM
Hello Jim, Sorry I meant to say that you would need to use the VSE/Connectors and other tools that are supplied from IBM. Ed Martin 330-588-4723 ext 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Elliott Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:30 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: JAVA and Z/VM > Thank you for the input. z/OS and VSE/ESA (z/VSE) now support > JAVA. I just thought z/VM should too. Ed: VSE/ESA and z/VSE do not (and never have) supported JAVA. They both supply JAVA code, but that runs on other platforms such as Linux and talk to applications on VSE. Jim
Re: JAVA and Z/VM
> Thank you for the input. z/OS and VSE/ESA (z/VSE) now support > JAVA. I just thought z/VM should too. Ed: VSE/ESA and z/VSE do not (and never have) supported JAVA. They both supply JAVA code, but that runs on other platforms such as Linux and talk to applications on VSE. Jim
Re: JAVA and Z/VM
On Wednesday, 05/28/2008 at 10:29 EDT, "Edward M. Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are running UltraQuest directly on z/VM and accessing VSAM data. > > I am thinking more of from the Client end, Access SQL server > Non-VM and VSAM data under z/VSE using Connectors or directly from z/VM. You can't access VSE VSAM data directly from z/VM. While the underlying tech in CMS VSAM is VSE VSAM, the API is OS VSAM. Perhaps you can use the new DB2 Server for VSE and VM 7.5 client feature to let CMS reach over to VSE? > I do need to get this gentleman to explain more. That's for sure. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: JAVA and Z/VM
Hello Franz, I was in fact thinking of VSE/Connectors when I made that statement. I have the HealthChecker, Navigator, Connectors, VSEISRTool, and MIL4VSAM. I think of these tools as part of the VSE/ESA support. I understand that z/VSE does not directly support JAVA itself. Thanks to all that have corrected my statements. (I do get into trouble for not explaining well enough). Ed Martin 330-588-4723 ext 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:08 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: JAVA and Z/VM Hello Martin, neither VSE/ESA nor zVSE support JAVA itself. There is the so called vse connector connector client which are java classes to connect to vse resources like VSAM files from outside, if you have configured and started the connector server on vse. Applications like vse navigator or vtape server use these java classes. kind regards Franz Josef Pohlen Edward M. Martin schrieb: > > Hello Mike, > > > > Thank you for the input. z/OS and VSE/ESA (z/VSE) now support > JAVA. I just thought z/VM should too. > > I will check with CA. > > > > Ed Martin > > 330-588-4723 > > ext 40441 > > > > *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *On Behalf Of *Michael Donovan > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 27, 2008 1:44 PM > *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > *Subject:* Re: JAVA and Z/VM > > > > Ed, > > The Java and NetRexx support discussed in the redbook, *VM/ESA Network > Computing with Java and NetRexx*, was discontinued before z/VM 5.1.0 > became generally available. The level of Java had become very > outdated. If you want and need Java support, you should be looking at > running it from a Linux guest. > > Thanks! > Mike Donovan > >
Re: JAVA and Z/VM
Hello Alan, This is salesman talk. I am trying to get more info from him. We are running UltraQuest directly on z/VM and accessing VSAM data. As with most salesmen, he has no idea what we have but still wants to sell. I am thinking more of from the Client end, Access SQL server Non-VM and VSAM data under z/VSE using Connectors or directly from z/VM. I do need to get this gentleman to explain more. Ed Martin 330-588-4723 ext 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:15 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: JAVA and Z/VM On Tuesday, 05/27/2008 at 01:10 EDT, "Edward M. Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A Saleman indicated that Unfortunately, IBM doesn't support Java on VM > yet, and our Oracle and SQL Server Interfaces are written in Java. This statement is unclear. Exactly what Oracle and SQL server did you develop your Java for? Are you talking about server side Java apps? Or are you talking about just needing compatibility in the server so that your client-side Java apps can talk to it (i.e. JDBC). If you're running these databases run on Linux, not CMS, the lack of Java support in CMS doesn't matter. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: JAVA and Z/VM
Hello Martin, neither VSE/ESA nor zVSE support JAVA itself. There is the so called vse connector connector client which are java classes to connect to vse resources like VSAM files from outside, if you have configured and started the connector server on vse. Applications like vse navigator or vtape server use these java classes. kind regards Franz Josef Pohlen Edward M. Martin schrieb: Hello Mike, Thank you for the input. z/OS and VSE/ESA (z/VSE) now support JAVA. I just thought z/VM should too. I will check with CA. Ed Martin 330-588-4723 ext 40441 *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Michael Donovan *Sent:* Tuesday, May 27, 2008 1:44 PM *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *Subject:* Re: JAVA and Z/VM Ed, The Java and NetRexx support discussed in the redbook, *VM/ESA Network Computing with Java and NetRexx*, was discontinued before z/VM 5.1.0 became generally available. The level of Java had become very outdated. If you want and need Java support, you should be looking at running it from a Linux guest. Thanks! Mike Donovan
Re: JAVA and Z/VM
On Tuesday, 05/27/2008 at 01:10 EDT, "Edward M. Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A Saleman indicated that Unfortunately, IBM doesn't support Java on VM > yet, and our Oracle and SQL Server Interfaces are written in Java. This statement is unclear. Exactly what Oracle and SQL server did you develop your Java for? Are you talking about server side Java apps? Or are you talking about just needing compatibility in the server so that your client-side Java apps can talk to it (i.e. JDBC). If you're running these databases run on Linux, not CMS, the lack of Java support in CMS doesn't matter. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: JAVA and Z/VM
Hello Mike, Thank you for the input. z/OS and VSE/ESA (z/VSE) now support JAVA. I just thought z/VM should too. I will check with CA. Ed Martin 330-588-4723 ext 40441 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Donovan Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 1:44 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: JAVA and Z/VM Ed, The Java and NetRexx support discussed in the redbook, VM/ESA Network Computing with Java and NetRexx, was discontinued before z/VM 5.1.0 became generally available. The level of Java had become very outdated. If you want and need Java support, you should be looking at running it from a Linux guest. Thanks! Mike Donovan
Re: JAVA and Z/VM
Ed, The Java and NetRexx support discussed in the redbook, VM/ESA Network Computing with Java and NetRexx, was discontinued before z/VM 5.1.0 became generally available. The level of Java had become very outdated. If you want and need Java support, you should be looking at running it from a Linux guest. Thanks! Mike Donovan "Edward M. Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To com> IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Sent by: The IBM cc z/VM Operating SystemSubject <[EMAIL PROTECTED] JAVA and Z/VM ARK.EDU> 05/27/2008 01:09 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ARK.EDU> Hello Everyone, Does z/VM TCP/IP support JAVA? A Saleman indicated that Unfortunately, IBM doesn't support Java on VM yet, and our Oracle and SQL Server Interfaces are written in Java. I have found a redbook VM/ESA Network Computing with Java and NetRexx. Thanks for any info. Ed Martin 330-588-4723 ext 40441
Re: JAVA and Z/VM
Hi, Ed. - Original Message Follows - From: "Edward M. Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: JAVA and Z/VM Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 13:09:14 -0400 > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > Does z/VM TCP/IP support JAVA? > No, it does not. > > > A Saleman indicated that Unfortunately, IBM doesn't > support Java on VM yet, and our Oracle and SQL Server > Interfaces are written in Java. > > For all intents and purposes, IBM no longer supports Java under VM, by which I mean Java running in a CMS virtual machine. The Java support that IBM did ship with VM is now horribly out of date, not to mention out of service as well. If you need to run Java applications on VM, the preferred method is to run them on a VM guest Linux system. > > I have found a redbook VM/ESA Network > Computing with Java and NetRexx. > > I believe that most of that material is now out of date, as well. Have a good one. DJ > > Thanks for any info. > > > > Ed Martin > > 330-588-4723 > > ext 40441 > > > >
Re: JAVA and Z/VM
Edward M. Martin wrote: A Saleman indicated that */Unfortunately, IBM doesn't support Java on VM yet, and our Oracle and SQL Server Interfaces are written in Java./*** * * More like, "Doesn't support Java on VM /anymore/". -- Jack J. Woehr# "Self-delusion is http://www.well.com/~jax # half the battle!" http://www.softwoehr.com # - Zippy the Pinhead
JAVA and Z/VM
Hello Everyone, Does z/VM TCP/IP support JAVA? A Saleman indicated that Unfortunately, IBM doesn't support Java on VM yet, and our Oracle and SQL Server Interfaces are written in Java. I have found a redbook VM/ESA Network Computing with Java and NetRexx. Thanks for any info. Ed Martin 330-588-4723 ext 40441
