Re: MORE... time during IPLndG:r nomail

2006-11-27 Thread Schuh, Richard 
That's the problem with old folks - just can't seem to get the hang of
this automation thing:-) 

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Subject: Re: MORE... time during IPLndG:r nomail

On: Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 10:18:55AM +0200,Shimon Lebowitz Wrote:

}  Ignore this, sent by mistreak.
} 
}
} Somehow chucky seems a better name for } an alter-ego than
mistreak. g

No, can't blame this one on Chucky.  :-) A stuck key on my laptop caused
a macro to run multiple times for the messages following the one I
wanted it to run on.

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Re: MORE... time during IPLndG:r nomail

2006-11-23 Thread Shimon Lebowitz 
 Ignore this, sent by mistreak.
 

Somehow chucky seems a better name for 
an alter-ego than mistreak. g

TGIT! (We don't work Fridays).

Shimon

Re: MORE... time during IPLndG:r nomail

2006-11-23 Thread Rich Greenberg 
On: Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 10:18:55AM +0200,Shimon Lebowitz Wrote:

}  Ignore this, sent by mistreak.
}  
} 
} Somehow chucky seems a better name for 
} an alter-ego than mistreak. g

No, can't blame this one on Chucky.  :-)
A stuck key on my laptop caused a macro to run multiple times for the
messages following the one I wanted it to run on.

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Rich Greenberg  N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com  + 1 239 543 1353
Eastern time.  N6LRT  I speak for myself  my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67
Canines:Val, Red, Shasta  Casey (RIP), Red  Zero, Siberians  Owner:Chinook-L
Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L

Re: MORE... time during IPLndG:r nomail

2006-11-22 Thread Rich Greenberg 
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On: Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 01:19:47PM -0500,Stracka, James (GTI) Wrote:

} I second having HCPLNM108E messages come to the System Operator or
} trapped in a SPOOLed CONSOLE without having the id SCIFed. 
} 
}   -Original Message-
}   From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
} [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walter
}   Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:42 AM
}   To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
}   Subject: Re: MORE... time during IPL
}   
}   
} 
}   That's the same way VM:Secure works; AUTOLOG1 does minimal setup
} work and AUTOLOGs VMSECURE; VMSECURE then starts up and then AUTOLOGs
} AUTOLOG2 which brings up the usual suspects.   
}   
}   I have written some code that runs in VMSECURE PROFILE EXEC
} which keeps checking for VM:Operator (could be PROP) to start up before
} VM:Secure begins.  That permits VM:Operator (again, could  be PROP) to
} properly handle any ESM error messages right from the start. 
}   
}   It would be really nice if we could issue some CP commands (such
} as starting the virtual console SPOOLing) from the user's directory
} entry so that missing devices error messages and such at logon and such
} could be logged.  Maybe IBM could deliver such a present (going back to
} VMSHARE's NOTE XMASGIFT) in a future z/VM release? 
}   
}   Mike Walter
} 
}   Hewitt Associates
} 
}   Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not
} necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. 
}   
}   
}   
} Colin Allinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
} 
} Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 
} 
} 11/22/2006 07:29 AM 
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} 
}   
} 
} 
} 
} 
}   
}   Sorry for the late append on this subject but I have been away
} for the last week. 
}   
}   In this shop we use an ESS (RACF) and take the view that the
} sole job of AUTOLOG1 is to start up the ESS - nothing else. 
}   
}   In the way we work OPERATOR has code in it's profile to wait
} until either the ESS is available or a set amount of time since the
} system IPL has expired. 
}   
}   All of the servers are started by AUTOLOG2 which is autologged
} by OPERATOR when it is happy that the time is right, (there are various
} checks to ensure that this is only done after an IPL and to allow
} AUTOLOG2 processing to be bypassed when this is what we want). 
}   
}   Even though you may not have an ESS there is no reason why you
} could not take this approach with AUTOLOG1 setting some value (or
} switch) on which OPERATOR could work. 
}   
}   Regards 
}   
}   Colin Allinson 
}   Amadeus Data Processing 
}   
} 
}   
}   
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Re: MORE... time during IPLndG:r nomail

2006-11-22 Thread Rich Greenberg 
Ignore this, sent by mistreak.

On: Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 01:19:47PM -0500,Stracka, James (GTI) Wrote:

} I second having HCPLNM108E messages come to the System Operator or
} trapped in a SPOOLed CONSOLE without having the id SCIFed. 
} 
}   -Original Message-
}   From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
} [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walter
}   Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:42 AM
}   To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
}   Subject: Re: MORE... time during IPL
}   
}   
} 
}   That's the same way VM:Secure works; AUTOLOG1 does minimal setup
} work and AUTOLOGs VMSECURE; VMSECURE then starts up and then AUTOLOGs
} AUTOLOG2 which brings up the usual suspects.   
}   
}   I have written some code that runs in VMSECURE PROFILE EXEC
} which keeps checking for VM:Operator (could be PROP) to start up before
} VM:Secure begins.  That permits VM:Operator (again, could  be PROP) to
} properly handle any ESM error messages right from the start. 
}   
}   It would be really nice if we could issue some CP commands (such
} as starting the virtual console SPOOLing) from the user's directory
} entry so that missing devices error messages and such at logon and such
} could be logged.  Maybe IBM could deliver such a present (going back to
} VMSHARE's NOTE XMASGIFT) in a future z/VM release? 
}   
}   Mike Walter
} 
}   Hewitt Associates
} 
}   Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not
} necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. 
}   
}   
}   
} Colin Allinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
} 
} Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 
} 
} 11/22/2006 07:29 AM 
} Please respond to
} The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
} 
} 
} 
} To
} IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 
} cc
} Subject
} Re: MORE... time during IPL
} 
}   
} 
} 
} 
} 
}   
}   Sorry for the late append on this subject but I have been away
} for the last week. 
}   
}   In this shop we use an ESS (RACF) and take the view that the
} sole job of AUTOLOG1 is to start up the ESS - nothing else. 
}   
}   In the way we work OPERATOR has code in it's profile to wait
} until either the ESS is available or a set amount of time since the
} system IPL has expired. 
}   
}   All of the servers are started by AUTOLOG2 which is autologged
} by OPERATOR when it is happy that the time is right, (there are various
} checks to ensure that this is only done after an IPL and to allow
} AUTOLOG2 processing to be bypassed when this is what we want). 
}   
}   Even though you may not have an ESS there is no reason why you
} could not take this approach with AUTOLOG1 setting some value (or
} switch) on which OPERATOR could work. 
}   
}   Regards 
}   
}   Colin Allinson 
}   Amadeus Data Processing 
}   
} 
}   
}   
}   _  
} 
}   The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying
} documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise
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} message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please
} immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this
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Eastern time.  N6LRT  I speak for myself  my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67
Canines:Val, Red, Shasta  Casey (RIP), Red  Zero, Siberians  Owner:Chinook-L
Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L