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Marcy Cortes wrote: Arghh... Was that 20 years ago? Martha's making me feel old... That was just after I started there. Not a fun day! Marcy Cortes OK, I'll ask: where was there? I remember where I was, a large software company with some BITNET connections, through which the worm entered. I remember terrifying one of my managers by querying the system queues on RSCS that morning; she thought all the MSGs from RSCS meant that I had been stupid enough to run the damned thing. I can't imagine it got into most for-profit enterprises. It's not like it had been uploaded to MEMO XMAS or something. Nick
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One benefit of reading email on VM that no one has mentioned, viruses. I never worry about unidentified email and their attachments when using MAILBOOK on my CMS account. That is why most of my listserv subscriptions go there. Hasn't been a virus/trojan on VM since the XMAS EXEC 20 years ago. Martha
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I am having a brain fart here. From your example below we can put all the stuff together and just sendfile to SMTP with out the (SMTP at the end. Or what am I missing? Yes, that is all you need to do. Ed Zell (309) 674-8255 x-107 [EMAIL PROTECTED] . CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately, delete the communication and destroy all copies. Thank you for your compliance.
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Hello Ed, Thanks This may solve a problem of mine. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Zell Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 8:01 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP I am having a brain fart here. From your example below we can put all the stuff together and just sendfile to SMTP with out the (SMTP at the end. Or what am I missing? Yes, that is all you need to do. Ed Zell (309) 674-8255 x-107 [EMAIL PROTECTED] . CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately, delete the communication and destroy all copies. Thank you for your compliance.
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Yes, David, I would have checked with Richard Schafer first. /Fran On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:26:36 -0400 David Boyes said: You may want to hold off sending out copies of Ricemail. Ricemail was never completely free - you always had to get a copy directly from Richard, and the last pre-commercial version (92.1, I think) was the one that Richard permitted you to continue running without updates if you wanted but under the condition that you didn't pass it on to anyone else. I'd check with Richard first before circulating it. -Original Message- From: Fran Hensler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 9/4/06 4:15 PM Yes, Shimon, RiceMail was free from Rice University. I might be able to dig up a copy from a very old archive tape. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 43 years [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock
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My questions are: How to send with a subject line, how to change from address and any other options I can potentially use. Is this documented somewhere? Thanks, Mike Horlick Mike, I know you got a lot of responses, but I thought I would put an example together for you. Here is a CMS file that will send an email from my work account to my home account. I simply send the file to SMTP after I am done editing it. Let me know if you would like an example that sends an attachment along with the email. Ed Zell (309) 674-8255 x-107 [EMAIL PROTECTED] HELO vm.illinoismutual.com MAIL FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCPT TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATA Date:5 Sep 2006 From:Ed Zell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Zell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hi Ed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a test message from my work email account to my home account. . QUIT . CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately, delete the communication and destroy all copies. Thank you for your compliance.
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Thanks Ed, I'll give it a whirl and let you know. Mike -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Zell Sent: September 5, 2006 9:18 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP My questions are: How to send with a subject line, how to change from address and any other options I can potentially use. Is this documented somewhere? Thanks, Mike Horlick Mike, I know you got a lot of responses, but I thought I would put an example together for you. Here is a CMS file that will send an email from my work account to my home account. I simply send the file to SMTP after I am done editing it. Let me know if you would like an example that sends an attachment along with the email. Ed Zell (309) 674-8255 x-107 [EMAIL PROTECTED] HELO vm.illinoismutual.com MAIL FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCPT TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATA Date:5 Sep 2006 From:Ed Zell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Zell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hi Ed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a test message from my work email account to my home account. . QUIT . CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately, delete the communication and destroy all copies. Thank you for your compliance.
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Google turns up a hit for SMTPNOTE EXEC in IBMVM Archives. Get it and you will have an example of how to do it. It may fit your needs as-is or you can modify to your heart's content. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message-From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Horlick, MichaelSent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:16 AMTo: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDUSubject: Newbie on SMTP Greetings, Somehow I got lucky and set up SMTP on my zVM 3.1 system that actually works J I created a NAMES file with a PC e-mail recipient and have used SENDFILE to send some CMS files to him. My questions are: How to send with a subject line, how to change from address and any other options I can potentially use. Is this documented somewhere? Thanks, Mike Horlick
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We send out various automated alerts and notifications via e-mail. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message-From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Duane WeaverSent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:49 PMTo: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDUSubject: Re: Newbie on SMTPWhy on earth would someone even do email on VM these days. At 03:44 PM 9/1/2006, you wrote: MAILBOOK is a comercial product ($$$) www.mailbook software.com -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU]On Behalf Of Horlick, Michael Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:42 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP David, I just picked up MAILIT and am looking at it now. Where would I find MAILBOOK.? I don't see it on the VM Downloads page. Let me ask. Is it possible to imbed lines within a CMS file (such as the Subject or Reply-To lines) and just use the standard SENDFILE command to send that file to the outside world? What exactly does MAILIT and MAILBOOK do to have these attributes? Mike From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: September 1, 2006 3:23 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP NOTE has crude support for what you want. If you are serious about mail on CMS, get Richard Schafer's MAILBOOK. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Horlick, Michael Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:31 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Newbie on SMTP Greetings, Somehow I got lucky and set up SMTP on my zVM 3.1 system that actually works J I created a NAMES file with a PC e-mail recipient and have used SENDFILE to send some CMS files to him. My questions are: How to send with a subject line, how to change "from" address and any other options I can potentially use. Is this documented somewhere? Thanks, Mike Horlick ella for Spam Control has removed 6807 VSE-List messages and set aside 4531 VM-List for meYou can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com
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On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 08:39:35 -0700 Schuh, Richard said: Google turns up a hit for SMTPNOTE EXEC in IBMVM Archives. Get it and you will have an example of how to do it. It may fit your needs as-is or you can modify to your heart's content. I have a copy of SMTPNOTE EXEC and .doc I'll send it out tomorrow morning to anyone who requests it today. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 43 years [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock
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Hi Ed et al, A little rambling here (so please excuse) I wasn't sure what to put in for the HELO statement (I found out that at SMTP start up the host name is DEVVM and domain name is muhc.mcgill.ca) so at first I wasn't sure so I put in HELO DEVVM.muhc.mcgill.ca and then did a SENDFILE to user SMTP. It didn't seem to get delivered so I tried again with HELO muhc.mcgill.ca I got a response back from that one after a couple of minutes (I think it was from that one). Anyways it appeared both got through but which one is the correct one and does it make a difference? I was also wondering how VM user smtp knows which client mail server to contact? For TCP/IP for VSE, I needed to specify the actual IP address of the server but not for VM, I believe. Thanks for your example. Please send example of sending attachment Regards Mike -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Zell Sent: September 5, 2006 9:18 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP My questions are: How to send with a subject line, how to change from address and any other options I can potentially use. Is this documented somewhere? Thanks, Mike Horlick Mike, I know you got a lot of responses, but I thought I would put an example together for you. Here is a CMS file that will send an email from my work account to my home account. I simply send the file to SMTP after I am done editing it. Letme know if you would like an example that sends an attachment along with the email. Ed Zell (309) 674-8255 x-107 [EMAIL PROTECTED] HELO vm.illinoismutual.com MAIL FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCPT TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATA Date:5 Sep 2006 From:Ed Zell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Zell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hi Ed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a test message from my work email account to my home account. . QUIT . CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately, delete the communication and destroy all copies. Thank you for your compliance.
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Yes, David, I would have checked with Richard Schafer first. /Fran I was sure *you* would, but as the person who occasionally made tapes for Richard to distribute, it was a nice memory to keep. 8-) It's really sad that we lost RICEVM1 and it's contributed software disks without even a whimper. Some of that stuff Adam, Rick and I wrote back then would really come in handy these days... -- db
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I wasn't sure what to put in for the HELO statement (I found out that at SMTP start up the host name is DEVVM and domain name is muhc.mcgill.ca) so at first I wasn't sure so I put in HELO DEVVM.muhc.mcgill.ca and then did a SENDFILE to user SMTP. It didn't seem to get delivered so I tried again with HELO muhc.mcgill.ca I got a response back from that one after a couple of minutes (I think it was from that one). Anyways it appeared both got through but which one is the correct one and does it make a difference? The HELO line identifies the hostname of submitting client, or whomever they claim to be. Both are technically permitted, although VM SMTP does not verify the validity of the domain name supplied on the HELO. (This is one of the longstanding flaws in at least the older versions of VM SMTP -- it should at least flag it as a bogus HELO.) I was also wondering how VM user smtp knows which client mail server to contact? For TCP/IP for VSE, I needed to specify the actual IP address of the server but not for VM, I believe. The argument to the RCPT envelope command is parsed as [EMAIL PROTECTED]. SMTP MTAs process only the RFC 821 envelope -- the part up to the DATA component of the transaction. The RFC 822 bits (the stuff in the body of the mail) are pretty much an opaque payload. The MTA attempts to resolve MX records for destination.server from above, then tries to resolve A records for destination.server. If neither are available, the host is unresolvable and delivery fails.
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-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Horlick, Michael Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:44 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP I was also wondering how VM user smtp knows which client mail server to contact? For TCP/IP for VSE, I needed to specify the actual IP address of the server but not for VM, I believe. We use the IPLMAILERADDRESS command in the SMTP CONFIG file to tell VM SMTP to route all outgoing mail that it can't resolve to our regular EXCHANGE server. Then we put a copy of the TCPIP DATA file on SMTP and comment out the nameserver commands. This effectively mean that VM SMTP cannot resolve ANYTHING and will ship everything over to EXCHANGE to send out to the world. Ed Zell (309) 674-8255 x-107 [EMAIL PROTECTED] . CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately, delete the communication and destroy all copies. Thank you for your compliance.
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On Tuesday, 09/05/2006 at 02:33 AST, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The HELO line identifies the hostname of submitting client, or whomever they claim to be. Both are technically permitted, although VM SMTP does not verify the validity of the domain name supplied on the HELO. (This is one of the longstanding flaws in at least the older versions of VM SMTP -- it should at least flag it as a bogus HELO.) Come now, Dr. Boyes. We've had support to verify the host name on a HELO (and these days, EHLO) since VM/ESA 2.4. See the VerifyClient statement in SMTP CONFIG. It is not active by default since that would be a violation of the SMTP RFCs. And if you don't like our built-in algorithms for verification, you can write an exit to do whatever you like. And, please, no whining about the lack of a shared file system in older versions of VM, either. ;-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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Please send example of sending attachment MAILIT to([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Subject(this is my PROFILE EXEC) ATTACH(PROFILE EXEC A TYPE Text/plain) ATTACH(MYSIGNA JPG * INLINE TYPE Image BASE64) And, if you add TESt, the SMTP mail is sent to your reader for inspection. Kris, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
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On Tuesday, 09/05/2006 at 01:37 EST, Ed Zell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We use the IPLMAILERADDRESS command in the SMTP CONFIG file to tell VM SMTP to route all outgoing mail that it can't resolve to our regular EXCHANGE server. Then we put a copy of the TCPIP DATA file on SMTP and comment out the nameserver commands. This effectively mean that VM SMTP cannot resolve ANYTHING and will ship everything over to EXCHANGE to send out to the world. This method is deprecated in z/VM V5 in favor of IPMAILERADDRESS ALL added by APAR PK07003. PTFs: FL510 UK13027 FL520 UK13028 Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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(This is one of the longstanding flaws in at least the older versions of VM SMTP -- it should at least flag it as a bogus HELO.) Come now, Dr. Boyes. We've had support to verify the host name on a HELO (and these days, EHLO) since VM/ESA 2.4. That's why I said older. It means exactly what I want it to mean...8-) -- db
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Hello Ed, I am having a brain fart here. From your example below we can put all the stuff together and just sendfile to SMTP with out the (SMTP at the end. Or what am I missing? Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Zell Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:18 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP My questions are: How to send with a subject line, how to change from address and any other options I can potentially use. Is this documented somewhere? Thanks, Mike Horlick Mike, I know you got a lot of responses, but I thought I would put an example together for you. Here is a CMS file that will send an email from my work account to my home account. I simply send the file to SMTP after I am done editing it. Let me know if you would like an example that sends an attachment along with the email. Ed Zell (309) 674-8255 x-107 [EMAIL PROTECTED] HELO vm.illinoismutual.com MAIL FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCPT TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATA Date:5 Sep 2006 From:Ed Zell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Zell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hi Ed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a test message from my work email account to my home account. . QUIT . CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately, delete the communication and destroy all copies. Thank you for your compliance.
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Actually, I think there was a version much earlier than the 1992 version that I submitted to one of the VM workshop tapes (1989 or 90? It would have been a year the workshop was held at the University of Kentucky, if you really want to find it). Although you probably wouldn't find it useful because of the lack of support for MIME, numerous bugs, lack of Y2K support, and other relative primitiveness, I have no objection if someone wants to get a copy of that workshop tape and use it. But I (and Rice University) would prefer that you call it MailBook instead of RiceMail. And I would hate to see anyone distributing the code, if only because I know how many things needed fixing. As an historical note, there's a comment in the code that reminds me that I first started working on this program in October 1984, over 20 years ago. You never know just how long a piece of code will stay around. There's probably not too much of that 1984 code left anymore, but I keep that comment in there just to remind me of the history. Richard A. Schafer MailBook 6632 Fairfield Drive Houston, TX 77023 Phone: 713-921-1433 Fax: 713-921-1363 P.S. And if someone does still want to license the current version of MailBook, feel free to contact me. -Original Message- From: David Boyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP You may want to hold off sending out copies of Ricemail. Ricemail was never completely free - you always had to get a copy directly from Richard, and the last pre-commercial version (92.1, I think) was the one that Richard permitted you to continue running without updates if you wanted but under the condition that you didn't pass it on to anyone else. I'd check with Richard first before circulating it. -Original Message- From: Fran Hensler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Sent: 9/4/06 4:15 PM Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP Yes, Shimon, RiceMail was free from Rice University. I might be able to dig up a copy from a very old archive tape. But RiceMail was written before there was MIME email. It can't process HTML or attachments. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 43 years [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:32:08 +0300 Shimon Lebowitz said: www.mailbooksoftware.com. Not free, but vastly superior to NOTE or SENDFILE. Wasn't the predecessor to mailbook (Rice Mail?) downloadable for free? Is it still around somewhere? Shimon
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In addition to the answers already given (automated output from VM processes, automation, etc) we send and receive e-mail from VM because it is significantly less overhead than other mail packages. We can automate both sending and receiving e-mail using REXX and Pipelines. One thing we do with e-mail received at VM is to provision Linux guests based on information gathered and forwarded to the VM system from outboard applications. The provisioning process is almost completely automated (if the input received is valid). We also use outbound e-mail from VM to send information to vendors because it is easy to attach documentation without all of the hastles of downloading to a PC first. Rick Barlow Systems Engineering Consultant Nationwide Services Co., Enterprise Business Intelligence Services Mainframe, z/VM and zSeries Linux Support One Nationwide Plaza 3-20-13 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5213Fax: (614) 677-0821 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 09/01/2006 03:49:00 PM: Duane Weaver via IBMVM (IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU) Why on earth would someone even do email on VM these days.
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Because it is reliable (VM is never down)and does not get virus's munson -Original Message- From: Duane Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Sep 1, 2006 3:49 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP Why on earth would someone even do email on VM these days. At 03:44 PM 9/1/2006, you wrote: MAILBOOK is a comercial product ($$$) www.mailbook software.com -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU]On Behalf Of Horlick, Michael Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:42 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP David, I just picked up MAILIT and am looking at it now. Where would I find MAILBOOK.? I don't see it on the VM Downloads page. Let me ask. Is it possible to imbed lines within a CMS file (such as the Subject or Reply-To lines) and just use the standard SENDFILE command to send that file to the outside world? What exactly does MAILIT and MAILBOOK do to have these attributes? Mike From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: September 1, 2006 3:23 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP NOTE has crude support for what you want. If you are serious about mail on CMS, get Richard Schafer's MAILBOOK. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Horlick, Michael Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:31 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Newbie on SMTP Greetings, Somehow I got lucky and set up SMTP on my zVM 3.1 system that actually works J I created a NAMES file with a PC e-mail recipient and have used SENDFILE to send some CMS files to him. My questions are: How to send with a subject line, how to change "from" address and any other options I can potentially use. Is this documented somewhere? Thanks, Mike Horlick ella for Spam Control has removed 6807 VSE-List messages and set aside 4531 VM-List for meYou can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com Bill Munson VM Resources LTD www.vm-resources.com President MVMUA http://www.marist.edu/~mvmua
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I have used both MAILBOOK and MAILIT and they are wonderful products. munson -Original Message- From: David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 1, 2006 3:57 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP www.mailbooksoftware.com. Not free, but vastly superior to NOTE or SENDFILE. Let me ask. Is it possible to imbed lines within a CMS file (such as the Subject or Reply-To lines) and just use the standard SENDFILE command to send that file to the outside world? Not that I know of. What exactly does MAILIT and MAILBOOK do to have these attributes? Note was written for RFC 733 mail within one system, or within a environment that had only NJE connectivity. NOTE was later hacked to permit SMTP mail, but was never really seriously converted to RFC 822 mail. MAILIT and MAILBOOK were written for the Internet and designed specifically to provide a full-scale mail reader and management system using domain names. Bill Munson VM Resources LTD www.vm-resources.com President MVMUA http://www.marist.edu/~mvmua
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www.mailbooksoftware.com. Not free, but vastly superior to NOTE or SENDFILE. Wasn't the predecessor to mailbook (Rice Mail?) downloadable for free? Is it still around somewhere? Shimon
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On 4 Sep 2006 at 15:38, Fran Hensler wrote: Yes, Shimon, RiceMail was free from Rice University. I might be able to dig up a copy from a very old archive tape. Please don't trouble yourself for me! :-) I was just asking, I have no personal interest in using it. Shimon
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On Sep 4, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Fran Hensler wrote: Yes, Shimon, RiceMail was free from Rice University. I might be able to dig up a copy from a very old archive tape. But RiceMail was written before there was MIME email. It can't process HTML or attachments. If people are really interested in modern mailers for VM: Sine Nomine Associates did a product a couple years ago called SMTPPLUS which is a smallish prepackaged Linux system running Exim 4, amavis, Spam Assassin, and Clam AV (for a busy site, the spam and virus scanning is *not* something you want to do on your zSeries box), plus some custom code to integrate the VM spool with the Linux mail spool and to make connections from the Linux host appear to be going directly from the VM host. Exim gives you all the features you'd expect in a modern mailer, including TLS support, DNS-based blacklisting, and an immense amount of configurability. It can accept files punched to it as well as delivered via IP; it can deliver via a punch to a particular user or to a mailer machine, and there are hooks to do, say, LDAP-based lookups to associate an e-mail address with a VM userid. It includes a netdata converter, so it can handle ASCII or EBCDIC RFC-2822 mail, Netdata encoded or not. You can also deliver *some* mail to the spool, and other mail to, say, local Maildirs for pickup via POP3 or IMAP. It's very flexible. It even uses CMSFS and a little boot-time magic to enable you to edit the configuration files for the mail and scanning systems from CMS if you prefer, rather than having to do it in Linux. It's unmaintained at this point and the underlying Linux distribution needs a lot of updating, because we never got a whole lot of interest from the community and eventually decided we were not going to see a return on the RD, and it needs quite a bit of machine to be suitable for a high-volume site (especially if spam and virus scanning are enabled). However, if people *would* be interested in it and would pay for the product and support, then I could try to make a business case to my management that it should be revived. Alternatively, given the information above, you could probably implement something pretty close to that on your own (as the primary developer: the tricky part is the spool integration; the Netdata converter isn't *hard* but getting it really compatible gets tricky), or, as a third option, hire us (or, indeed, some other consulting firm) to install and configure such a solution for you as a time-and- materials contract, if you don't have the relevant Linux expertise in- house. Also, note that SMTPPLUS is a mail *transfer* agent, not a mail *user* agent: actually reading your mail on VM requires some CMS tool like MAILBOOK (although PEEK or XEDIT also work, if mail is delivered to your spool--however, you'll need something in CMS to, say, unpack MIME messages, and that something isn't contained in SMTPPLUS). Likewise, sending mail from VM: basically, you create an RFC-822- compliant message *somehow*, and punch it to the SMTPPLUS virtual machine, but creating that message in the first place is the responsibility of the MUA. Adam
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You may want to hold off sending out copies of Ricemail. Ricemail was never completely free - you always had to get a copy directly from Richard, and the last pre-commercial version (92.1, I think) was the one that Richard permitted you to continue running without updates if you wanted but under the condition that you didn't pass it on to anyone else. I'd check with Richard first before circulating it. -Original Message- From: Fran Hensler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Sent: 9/4/06 4:15 PM Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP Yes, Shimon, RiceMail was free from Rice University. I might be able to dig up a copy from a very old archive tape. But RiceMail was written before there was MIME email. It can't process HTML or attachments. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 43 years [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:32:08 +0300 Shimon Lebowitz said: www.mailbooksoftware.com. Not free, but vastly superior to NOTE or SENDFILE. Wasn't the predecessor to mailbook (Rice Mail?) downloadable for free? Is it still around somewhere? Shimon
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On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:49:00 -0400 Duane Weaver said: Why on earth would someone even do email on VM these days. I have written my own MAILER in REXX and PIPEs. We send email to students, alumni and newsletter subscribers with this MAILER. It is quite easy to personalize the email. For example: We send students their registration information in a personalized email with such information as the date and time of registration, their advisor's name, office address, email address and telephone number. The actual email body is composed using an HTML editor such as FrontPage using various fonts and colors. The HTML body is then uploaded to a VM account. My mailer creates the SMTP headers for the email and appends the HTML body. The body contains tags such as $DATE$ and $TIME$ for registration that is easily changed to real data with PIPE commands. MAILER then send the email to the SMTP server. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 43 years [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock
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On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:42:14 -0400 Horlick, Michael said: Let me ask. Is it possible to imbed lines within a CMS file (such as the Subject or Reply-To lines) and just use the standard SENDFILE command to send that file to the outside world? What exactly does MAILIT and MAILBOOK do to have these attributes? Mike - Absolutely! See my previous email about my MAILER. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 43 years [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock
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NOTE has crude support for what you want. If you are serious about mail on CMS, get Richard Schafers MAILBOOK. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Horlick, Michael Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:31 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Newbie on SMTP Greetings, Somehow I got lucky and set up SMTP on my zVM 3.1 system that actually works J I created a NAMES file with a PC e-mail recipient and have used SENDFILE to send some CMS files to him. My questions are: How to send with a subject line, how to change from address and any other options I can potentially use. Is this documented somewhere? Thanks, Mike Horlick
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David, I just picked up MAILIT and am looking at it now. Where would I find MAILBOOK.? I dont see it on the VM Downloads page. Let me ask. Is it possible to imbed lines within a CMS file (such as the Subject or Reply-To lines) and just use the standard SENDFILE command to send that file to the outside world? What exactly does MAILIT and MAILBOOK do to have these attributes? Mike From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: September 1, 2006 3:23 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP NOTE has crude support for what you want. If you are serious about mail on CMS, get Richard Schafers MAILBOOK. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Horlick, Michael Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:31 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Newbie on SMTP Greetings, Somehow I got lucky and set up SMTP on my zVM 3.1 system that actually works J I created a NAMES file with a PC e-mail recipient and have used SENDFILE to send some CMS files to him. My questions are: How to send with a subject line, how to change from address and any other options I can potentially use. Is this documented somewhere? Thanks, Mike Horlick
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Why on earth would someone even do email on VM these days. At 03:44 PM 9/1/2006, you wrote: MAILBOOK is a comercial product ($$$) www.mailbook software.com -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU]On Behalf Of Horlick, Michael Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:42 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP David, I just picked up MAILIT and am looking at it now. Where would I find MAILBOOK.? I don't see it on the VM Downloads page. Let me ask. Is it possible to imbed lines within a CMS file (such as the Subject or Reply-To lines) and just use the standard SENDFILE command to send that file to the outside world? What exactly does MAILIT and MAILBOOK do to have these attributes? Mike From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: September 1, 2006 3:23 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP NOTE has crude support for what you want. If you are serious about mail on CMS, get Richard Schafer's MAILBOOK. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Horlick, Michael Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:31 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Newbie on SMTP Greetings, Somehow I got lucky and set up SMTP on my zVM 3.1 system that actually works J I created a NAMES file with a PC e-mail recipient and have used SENDFILE to send some CMS files to him. My questions are: How to send with a subject line, how to change from address and any other options I can potentially use. Is this documented somewhere? Thanks, Mike Horlick ella for Spam Control has removed 6807 VSE-List messages and set aside 4531 VM-List for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com
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Send small reportsie performance summary, or cms-server type machine abnormal messages, or text messages to cell phones .. etc. etc. etc. -Original Message-From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Duane WeaverSent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:49 PMTo: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDUSubject: Re: Newbie on SMTPWhy on earth would someone even do email on VM these days. At 03:44 PM 9/1/2006, you wrote: MAILBOOK is a comercial product ($$$) www.mailbook software.com -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU]On Behalf Of Horlick, Michael Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:42 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP David, I just picked up MAILIT and am looking at it now. Where would I find MAILBOOK.? I don't see it on the VM Downloads page. Let me ask. Is it possible to imbed lines within a CMS file (such as the Subject or Reply-To lines) and just use the standard SENDFILE command to send that file to the outside world? What exactly does MAILIT and MAILBOOK do to have these attributes? Mike From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: September 1, 2006 3:23 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP NOTE has crude support for what you want. If you are serious about mail on CMS, get Richard Schafer's MAILBOOK. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Horlick, Michael Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:31 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Newbie on SMTP Greetings, Somehow I got lucky and set up SMTP on my zVM 3.1 system that actually works J I created a NAMES file with a PC e-mail recipient and have used SENDFILE to send some CMS files to him. My questions are: How to send with a subject line, how to change "from" address and any other options I can potentially use. Is this documented somewhere? Thanks, Mike Horlick ella for Spam Control has removed 6807 VSE-List messages and set aside 4531 VM-List for meYou can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com ella for Spam Control has removed 6807 VSE-List messages and set aside 4532 VM-List for meYou can use it too - and it's FREE!www.ellaforspam.com
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We have a Hospital Reporting system that uses the HealthQuest files on the IBM to generate reports (or XLS type file) (using VSAM files), these reports are created on the IBM, and emailed to individuals. No Paper, user generated, real real-time data not oh create a file up load it and say it is real-time. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duane Weaver Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 3:49 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP Why on earth would someone even do email on VM these days. At 03:44 PM 9/1/2006, you wrote: MAILBOOK is a comercial product ($$$) www.mailbook software.com -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU]On Behalf Of Horlick, Michael Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:42 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP David, I just picked up MAILIT and am looking at it now. Where would I find MAILBOOK.? I don't see it on the VM Downloads page. Let me ask. Is it possible to imbed lines within a CMS file (such as the Subject or Reply-To lines) and just use the standard SENDFILE command to send that file to the outside world? What exactly does MAILIT and MAILBOOK do to have these attributes? Mike From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: September 1, 2006 3:23 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP NOTE has crude support for what you want. If you are serious about mail on CMS, get Richard Schafer's MAILBOOK. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [ mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Horlick, Michael Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:31 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Newbie on SMTP Greetings, Somehow I got lucky and set up SMTP on my zVM 3.1 system that actually works J I created a NAMES file with a PC e-mail recipient and have used SENDFILE to send some CMS files to him. My questions are: How to send with a subject line, how to change from address and any other options I can potentially use. Is this documented somewhere? Thanks, Mike Horlick ella for Spam Control has removed 6807 VSE-List messages and set aside 4531 VM-List for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com
Re: Newbie on SMTP
On Friday, 09/01/2006 at 03:42 AST, Horlick, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me ask. Is it possible to imbed lines within a CMS file (such as the Subject or Reply-To lines) and just use the standard SENDFILE command to send that file to the outside world? What exactly does MAILIT and MAILBOOK do to have these attributes? What you describe is what MAILT and MAILBOOK do. They are SENDFILE on steroids, but better. :-) They create a file in the BSMTP format (see the TCP/IP Programming book) and spool it to SMTP. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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Visually impaired users. 3270 screens are a lot less difficult for some Braille readers. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duane Weaver Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:01 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP Why on earth would someone even do email on VM these days.
