Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
COS was pretty much standard with the early S/360-30 users. I don't remember if it came as a part of DOS or was an addon. I was a Jr. Ass't. Probationery Trainee IBM Systems Engineer starting in 1967 and from about 1968 when I was actually allowed to go to a customer account almost, everyone of my -30 customer accounts had the 1401 emulation feature on the -30 and used COS. I didn't actually see any multi-programming usage until I installed, in about 1969, the early version of POWER in one of my accounts. I think mine was the first POWER installation in Chicago. It was really HASP with the necessary mods to make it run under DOS. It was a real eye opener. There was a large national account marketing team in my branch office that had to demo multi-programming to their customer by running TOS, which was the tape version of DOS, but it had the same structure with BG, F2, and F1. That marketing team couldn't get MFT to work well enough to use it for the demo. My early work with them was on PCP systems, a non-MPG version of OS. Jim Carey Schug wrote: --=_Part_53849_12272107.1164518397054 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't know about the model 25, but we had a room full of mod 30s that had a locally MODIFIED operating system (DOS) to support a program we called COS or COSFG (for compatibility operating system), so we could emulate two 1401s (each an 8K 1401 in a 24K DOS paritition), one in the F1 partition and one in the BG partition, each with its own card reader running DOS jobs (starting with release 18(?) of DOS (prior to that there was no job control system for the F1 F2 parititions. The F2 partition was only 2K and had to be started by console commands (JCL required a 12K (?) partition, and we used it for spooling, mostly printing tapes created on the 7010s, but a few programs we ran on the mod 30s also spooled input or output. And once a year we had to copy all the source program card decks onto tape for offsite backup. Each mod 30 had a 2540 card read/punch, a 2501, two printers (usually a 1403N1 and a 1404 or 1403), three to five 2311 disk drives, and maybe four or five 2401 tape drives. On disk 190 was the operating system, the others were not used except fro sort work areas and a very small number of native 260 programs. Later on they added 2520 card punches to some systems so both foreground and background could punch cards. On first shift, there were two operators per machine, one for F1 and one for BG normally, but also to cover breaks/lunch and F2. Off shift and weekends, only one person per machine, you would try to keep both partitions busy (jobs did tend to be longer), but if you couldn't, you didn't need to worry about it. Most jobs only had to be done by morning anyway, but during the day jobs would come in and be picked up in minutes or hours. On 11/7/06, Bob Shair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:05 PM 11/7/2006, you wrote: ...Microcode was available to make the -25 emulate a full 360, a 1401, or (I think) a -20. Concurrent operation in different modes was not available, but it could certainly run DOS. ... -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (607) 255-1760 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
I don't know about the model 25, but we had a room full of mod 30s that had a locally MODIFIED operating system (DOS) to support a program we called COS or COSFG (for compatibility operating system), so we could emulate two 1401s (each an 8K 1401 in a 24K DOS paritition), one in the F1 partition and one in the BG partition, each with its own card reader running DOS jobs (starting with release 18(?) of DOS (prior to that there was no job control system for the F1 F2 parititions. The F2 partition was only 2K and had to be started by console commands (JCL required a 12K (?) partition, and we used it for spooling, mostly printing tapes created on the 7010s, but a few programs we ran on the mod 30s also spooled input or output. And once a year we had to copy all the source program card decks onto tape for offsite backup. Each mod 30 had a 2540 card read/punch, a 2501, two printers (usually a 1403N1 and a 1404 or 1403), three to five 2311 disk drives, and maybe four or five 2401 tape drives. On disk 190 was the operating system, the others were not used except fro sort work areas and a very small number of native 260 programs. Later on they added 2520 card punches to some systems so both foreground and background could punch cards. On first shift, there were two operators per machine, one for F1 and one for BG normally, but also to cover breaks/lunch and F2. Off shift and weekends, only one person per machine, you would try to keep both partitions busy (jobs did tend to be longer), but if you couldn't, you didn't need to worry about it. Most jobs only had to be done by morning anyway, but during the day jobs would come in and be picked up in minutes or hours. On 11/7/06, Bob Shair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:05 PM 11/7/2006, you wrote: ...Microcode was available to make the -25 emulate a full 360, a 1401, or (I think) a -20. Concurrent operation in different modes was not available, but it could certainly run DOS. ... -- --Carey
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. (the picture)
Here is the pic. http://home.insightbb.com/~hobbes/s360/ibm360mod20.jpg Rich Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 11/07/2006 04:32 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc: Subject:Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. On: Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 02:28:13PM -0500,Steve Gentry Wrote: } On page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has } been labeled a System/360. } I've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of } one, but I don't ever recall } a S/360 looking like this. Obviously, there is a printer and a card } reader in the picture. Is the unit } in the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can } see the Emergency Pull and } the dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.). } So, what S/360 is this unit used on? } Thanks, } Steve Can you post the picture on a web site so us old farts can see it? -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. (the picture)
On 11/8/06, Rich Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: } http://home.insightbb.com/~hobbes/s360/ibm360mod20.jpg Yup, thata a 360/20. Was the provided radio (next to the phone) loud enough to hear with the machine feeding cards in? Or was it used to hear an infinite loop (how long did those take back then?) like I hear my cell phone on the el-cheapo PC speaker set... Rob - that machine was running years before I could :-)
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. (the picture)
It wasn't so much reading the cards in as the noise from the MFCU when it punched. Remember, those old phones had so much metal plastic on them they were quite well shielded. We use to use radios to set upon the 360/25 series running in 1401 emulation mode and read card decks in to play Christmas carols. Phil -Original Message- From: Rob van der Heij [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:18 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. (the picture) On 11/8/06, Rich Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: } http://home.insightbb.com/~hobbes/s360/ibm360mod20.jpg Yup, thata a 360/20. Was the provided radio (next to the phone) loud enough to hear with the machine feeding cards in? Or was it used to hear an infinite loop (how long did those take back then?) like I hear my cell phone on the el-cheapo PC speaker set... Rob - that machine was running years before I could :-)
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related
Well, that presses all my nostalgia buttons at once! The 360/22 was the first computer I programmed or operated. We ran HASP RJE on it, and then (once we got to a full 64K of core memory) ran DOS/360 release 26.2 - though at one point I did an OS/360 PCP install. You could watch it go CPU-busy parsing a DD statement Not the fastest machine! I think the only technical differences between the 30 and the 22 was that the 22 was lobotomized enough to reduce the maximum RAM you could put on it, and had slowed-down channels so you could attach 2311s but not 2314s. -- Jeff The 360-22 was a very late model of the 360 series, introduced after the 370s were available (perhaps 1972?). The -22 was actually a relabelled -30, to use of those which came back to IBM off lease. Rightpondians, think of a Ford Popular. It was thus a full member of the 360 series. -22s were popular to use as HASP multi-leaving RJE workstations, because they could drive real 360 I/O devices, most notably the 1403-N1.
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related
Back around 1970 or so, I did a performance study on a S/360-30. At that time, IBM published instruction times somewhere--don't remember where. But I came up with a result that said that a mod 30 was an 18 kip machine. Jim Jeff Savit wrote: Well, that presses all my nostalgia buttons at once! The 360/22 was the first computer I programmed or operated. We ran HASP RJE on it, and then (once we got to a full 64K of core memory) ran DOS/360 release 26.2 - though at one point I did an OS/360 PCP install. You could watch it go CPU-busy parsing a DD statement Not the fastest machine! I think the only technical differences between the 30 and the 22 was that the 22 was lobotomized enough to reduce the maximum RAM you could put on it, and had slowed-down channels so you could attach 2311s but not 2314s. -- Jeff The 360-22 was a very late model of the 360 series, introduced after the 370s were available (perhaps 1972?). The -22 was actually a relabelled -30, to use of those which came back to IBM off lease. Rightpondians, think of a Ford Popular. It was thus a full member of the 360 series. -22s were popular to use as HASP multi-leaving RJE workstations, because they could drive real 360 I/O devices, most notably the 1403-N1. -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (607) 255-1760 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: S/360 hardware related.
On page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has been labeled a System/360. I've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of one, but I don't ever recall a S/360 looking like this. Obviously, there is a printer and a card reader in the picture. Is the unit in the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can see the Emergency Pull and the dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.). So, what S/360 is this unit used on? Thanks, Steve
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
Yes, it's either a 360-20 or 360-25, I had to work on them in the 60's. Jeffry A. Kennedy Certco,Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve GentrySent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:39 PMTo: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDUSubject: Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. "SC Magazine" "For Security Professionals" Yes it is online, but I did not find the article. In doing some additional searching, I think it is a 360 model 20. I didn't know 360's came this small. Steve G Jim Bohnsack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 11/07/2006 02:33 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc: Subject: Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.Is that magazine online? What mag. is it?JimSteve Gentry wrote: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006AF4740525721F_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has been labeled a System/360. I've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of one, but I don't ever recall a S/360 looking like this. Obviously, there is a printer and a card reader in the picture. Is the unit in the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can see the Emergency Pull and the dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.). So, what S/360 is this unit used on? Thanks, Steve --=_alternative 006AF4740525721F_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" brfont size=2 face="sans-serif"On page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has been labeled a System/360./font brfont size=2 face="sans-serif"I've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of one, but I don't ever recall/font brfont size=2 face="sans-serif"a S/360 looking like this. nbsp;Obviously, there is a printer and a card reader in the nbsp;picture. nbsp;Is the unit/font brfont size=2 face="sans-serif"in the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can see the Emergency Pull and /font brfont size=2 face="sans-serif"the dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.)./font brfont size=2 face="sans-serif"So, what S/360 is this unit used on?/font brfont size=2 face="sans-serif"Thanks,/font brfont size=2 face="sans-serif"Steve/font br --=_alternative 006AF4740525721F_=-- -- Jim BohnsackCornell University(607) 255-1760[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
The model 20 was a unique 360. It was made in Germany and had some quite different supervisor-state opcodes (e.g. XIO for doing I/O). In my youth I stumbled across the minutes of the local IBM User group (circa 1967) and there was a big debate as to whether those with 360/20 should form their own user group. (There's something Pythonesque about that, sort of like the PLPA from Life of Brian: Splitter!) Neale On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 14:38 -0500, Steve Gentry wrote: SC Magazine For Security Professionals Yes it is online, but I did not find the article. In doing some additional searching, I think it is a 360 model 20. I didn't know 360's came this small. Steve G
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
Ah, yes, The Life of Brian. It's been a while since I've seen that movie. Neale Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 11/07/2006 03:00 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc: Subject:Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. The model 20 was a unique 360. It was made in Germany and had some quite different supervisor-state opcodes (e.g. XIO for doing I/O). In my youth I stumbled across the minutes of the local IBM User group (circa 1967) and there was a big debate as to whether those with 360/20 should form their own user group. (There's something Pythonesque about that, sort of like the PLPA from Life of Brian: Splitter!) Neale On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 14:38 -0500, Steve Gentry wrote: SC Magazine For Security Professionals Yes it is online, but I did not find the article. In doing some additional searching, I think it is a 360 model 20. I didn't know 360's came this small. Steve G
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
The 360/20 ran DPS Disk Programming System a subset of the regular 360 Instruction set. I still have my IBM System 360 reference Card System/360 Model 20 x20-1727-5 its a white booklet form.. Julian Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] 601-479-7460 Neale Ferguson wrote: The model 20 was a unique 360. It was made in Germany and had some quite different supervisor-state opcodes (e.g. XIO for doing I/O). In my youth I stumbled across the minutes of the local IBM User group (circa 1967) and there was a big debate as to whether those with 360/20 should form their own user group. (There's something Pythonesque about that, sort of like the PLPA from Life of Brian: "Splitter!") Neale On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 14:38 -0500, Steve Gentry wrote: "SC Magazine" "For Security Professionals" Yes it is online, but I did not find the article. In doing some additional searching, I think it is a 360 model 20. I didn't know 360's came this small. Steve G
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
Yes, the S/360-20 did look different. It was sort of a counter top with a short backboard with some knobs and switches. I don't remember anything that looked like the panel of the other S/360's or S/370's. Jim Steve Gentry wrote: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006BED510525721F_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii SC Magazine For Security Professionals Yes it is online, but I did not find the article. In doing some additional searching, I think it is a 360 model 20. I didn't know 360's came this small. Steve G Jim Bohnsack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 11/07/2006 02:33 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc: Subject:Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. Is that magazine online? What mag. is it? Jim Steve Gentry wrote: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006AF4740525721F_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has been labeled a System/360. I've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of one, but I don't ever recall a S/360 looking like this. Obviously, there is a printer and a card reader in the picture. Is the unit in the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can see the Emergency Pull and the dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.). So, what S/360 is this unit used on? Thanks, Steve --=_alternative 006AF4740525721F_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii brfont size=2 face=sans-serifOn page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has been labeled a System/360./font brfont size=2 face=sans-serifI've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of one, but I don't ever recall/font brfont size=2 face=sans-serifa S/360 looking like this. nbsp;Obviously, there is a printer and a card reader in the nbsp;picture. nbsp;Is the unit/font brfont size=2 face=sans-serifin the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can see the Emergency Pull and /font brfont size=2 face=sans-serifthe dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.)./font brfont size=2 face=sans-serifSo, what S/360 is this unit used on?/font brfont size=2 face=sans-serifThanks,/font brfont size=2 face=sans-serifSteve/font br --=_alternative 006AF4740525721F_=-- -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (607) 255-1760 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
It did sound like a S/360 20. it had a MFCU (Multi Function Card Unit) on one end and a printer on the other. The one I had was 8K. Phil From: Steve Gentry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 2:39 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. SC Magazine For Security Professionals Yes it is online, but I did not find the article. In doing some additional searching, I think it is a 360 model 20. I didn't know 360's came this small. Steve G Jim Bohnsack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 11/07/2006 02:33 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc: Subject:Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. Is that magazine online? What mag. is it? Jim Steve Gentry wrote: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006AF4740525721F_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has been labeled a System/360. I've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of one, but I don't ever recall a S/360 looking like this. Obviously, there is a printer and a card reader in the picture. Is the unit in the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can see the Emergency Pull and the dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.). So, what S/360 is this unit used on? Thanks, Steve --=_alternative 006AF4740525721F_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii brfont size=2 face=sans-serifOn page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has been labeled a System/360./font brfont size=2 face=sans-serifI've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of one, but I don't ever recall/font brfont size=2 face=sans-serifa S/360 looking like this. nbsp;Obviously, there is a printer and a card reader in the nbsp;picture. nbsp;Is the unit/font brfont size=2 face=sans-serifin the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can see the Emergency Pull and /font brfont size=2 face=sans-serifthe dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.)./font brfont size=2 face=sans-serifSo, what S/360 is this unit used on?/font brfont size=2 face=sans-serifThanks,/font brfont size=2 face=sans-serifSteve/font br --=_alternative 006AF4740525721F_=-- -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (607) 255-1760 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
That should be 360-50 not 36-50. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recognize it. That is a 360-25 with a MFCU at one end and a printer at the other. Back in the early 70's the Oklahoma Tax Commission had one that ran an operating system called DOS that later grew up to be z/VSE. My roommate was the systems programmer/operator on it. I was working at OU at the time we had a 36-50 that ran OS/MFT which is now called z/OS. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has been labeled a System/360. I've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of one, but I don't ever recall a S/360 looking like this. Obviously, there is a printer and a card reader in the picture. Is the unit in the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can see the Emergency Pull and the dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.). So, what S/360 is this unit used on? Thanks, Steve -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
Gee, they are recycling names. Page 4 of http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_intro.html has a label 705 Data Processing System. It seems to me that the first 705 morphed to 705 Model 3 and then to 7080 or some such progression. I guess IBM ran out of numbers and had to reuse old ones :-) Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:44 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject:Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 3:33 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. snip Can you post the picture on a web site so us old farts can see it? -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com For the history buffs, old or new: http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_intro.html 1401s, 1620s, 7030s, ... http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_room.html s360/22 http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_2423PH2022.html -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited.
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
On: Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 02:38:50PM -0500,Steve Gentry Wrote: } SC Magazine For Security Professionals Yes it is online, but I did } not find the article. In doing some additional searching, } I think it is a 360 model 20. I didn't know 360's came this small. } Steve G The model 20 was a weird one, looking very little like most of the others. It also didn't run quite the same instruction set. No fullword instructions, only halfword. -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
It is a 360/20. the 360/25 was larger and the upgrade from there was to a 360/mini-mod-22. the 360/25 would run 1401 emulation. -Original Message- From: Stephen Frazier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:52 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. That should be 360-50 not 36-50. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recognize it. That is a 360-25 with a MFCU at one end and a printer at the other. Back in the early 70's the Oklahoma Tax Commission had one that ran an operating system called DOS that later grew up to be z/VSE. My roommate was the systems programmer/operator on it. I was working at OU at the time we had a 36-50 that ran OS/MFT which is now called z/OS. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has been labeled a System/360. I've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of one, but I don't ever recall a S/360 looking like this. Obviously, there is a printer and a card reader in the picture. Is the unit in the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can see the Emergency Pull and the dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.). So, what S/360 is this unit used on? Thanks, Steve -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
Are you sure? It looks like the Tax Commission room in the basement of the capital building. I am sure they had a 360-25 running DOS. We had a 360-50 (my roommates machine x2) and ran both OS/MFT and 1401 emulation on it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a 360/20. the 360/25 was larger and the upgrade from there was to a 360/mini-mod-22. the 360/25 would run 1401 emulation. -Original Message- From: Stephen Frazier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:52 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. That should be 360-50 not 36-50. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recognize it. That is a 360-25 with a MFCU at one end and a printer at the other. Back in the early 70's the Oklahoma Tax Commission had one that ran an operating system called DOS that later grew up to be z/VSE. My roommate was the systems programmer/operator on it. I was working at OU at the time we had a 36-50 that ran OS/MFT which is now called z/OS. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has been labeled a System/360. I've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of one, but I don't ever recall a S/360 looking like this. Obviously, there is a printer and a card reader in the picture. Is the unit in the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can see the Emergency Pull and the dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.). So, what S/360 is this unit used on? Thanks, Steve
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
Most of the early 360 machines had some kind of emulation on then. Where I was stationed while in the Army, we were preparing for the installation of a 360/40 that had 1410 emulation. After I made it back to (civilian) life, my employer had a 360/30 that ran TOS and had 1401 emulation. We also had a 360/50 for which there was a 7080 emulation feature that could be purchased. I think that the 360/60 also boasted optional emulation features. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of StephenPFrazieVM Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 2:05 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject:Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. Are you sure? It looks like the Tax Commission room in the basement of the capital building. I am sure they had a 360-25 running DOS. We had a 360-50 (my roommates machine x2) and ran both OS/MFT and 1401 emulation on it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a 360/20. the 360/25 was larger and the upgrade from there was to a 360/mini-mod-22. the 360/25 would run 1401 emulation. -Original Message- From: Stephen Frazier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:52 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. That should be 360-50 not 36-50. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recognize it. That is a 360-25 with a MFCU at one end and a printer at the other. Back in the early 70's the Oklahoma Tax Commission had one that ran an operating system called DOS that later grew up to be z/VSE. My roommate was the systems programmer/operator on it. I was working at OU at the time we had a 36-50 that ran OS/MFT which is now called z/OS. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has been labeled a System/360. I've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of one, but I don't ever recall a S/360 looking like this. Obviously, there is a printer and a card reader in the picture. Is the unit in the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can see the Emergency Pull and the dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.). So, what S/360 is this unit used on? Thanks, Steve
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
Yes, I will have it available tomorrow. Steve Rich Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 11/07/2006 04:32 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc: Subject:Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. On: Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 02:28:13PM -0500,Steve Gentry Wrote: } On page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has } been labeled a System/360. } I've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of } one, but I don't ever recall } a S/360 looking like this. Obviously, there is a printer and a card } reader in the picture. Is the unit } in the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can } see the Emergency Pull and } the dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.). } So, what S/360 is this unit used on? } Thanks, } Steve Can you post the picture on a web site so us old farts can see it? -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
Stephen look here http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_2423PH2025.html Julian Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] 601-479-7460 StephenPFrazieVM wrote: Are you sure? It looks like the Tax Commission room in the basement of the capital building. I am sure they had a 360-25 running DOS. We had a 360-50 (my roommates machine x2) and ran both OS/MFT and 1401 emulation on it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a 360/20. the 360/25 was larger and the upgrade from there was to a 360/mini-mod-22. the 360/25 would run 1401 emulation. -Original Message- From: Stephen Frazier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:52 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: S/360 hardware related. That should be 360-50 not 36-50. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recognize it. That is a 360-25 with a MFCU at one end and a printer at the other. Back in the early 70's the Oklahoma Tax Commission had one that ran an operating system called DOS that later grew up to be z/VSE. My roommate was the systems programmer/operator on it. I was working at OU at the time we had a 36-50 that ran OS/MFT which is now called z/OS. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has been labeled a System/360. I've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of one, but I don't ever recall a S/360 looking like this. Obviously, there is a printer and a card reader in the picture. Is the unit in the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can see the Emergency Pull and the dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.). So, what S/360 is this unit used on? Thanks, Steve
