Re: TELNET to a 2074 - bad idea?

2006-10-06 Thread Brian Nielsen
On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:39:14 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
wrote:

On Friday, 10/06/2006 at 11:57 EST, Brian Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
V
wrote:
 Has anyone ever TELNET'ed to the port on a 2074 used for 3270 sessions
?
 (Yes, I know it's not supported.)

I don't know what you mean, Brian.  You're *supposed* to telnet into the

port on a 2074 used for 3270 sessions.  (And the 2074 is still supported
;
you just can't order it any more.)

I meant that the TELNET command from a command prompt is not supported by
 
the 2074.  (As I described in my second paragraph.)

According to the 2074 Console Support Controller Configurator Guide, 

Chapter 4, section 3270 Client support:
   The 2074 only supports TCP/IP attached clients which are running a 

Telnet TN3270E emulator program

Since the TELNET command is not a TN3270E emulator program it's not a 
supported connection method to the 2074.  If that's incorrect please let 

me know.

 The other day someone used the TELNET command from a command line prom
pt
 to attempt to connect to our 2074.  Almost immediately, all the emulat
or
 sessions to the 2074 (regardless of what LPAR they were in session wit
h)
 either disconnected or got agonizingly slow for a couple minutes and
then
 disconnected.

Have you contacted the Support Center?  I vaguely remember updates to th
e
2074 because of dropped sessions.

I have not.  The dropped sessions only happen on the 2074 accessible to a
 
remote network segment.

Brian Nielsen


Re: TELNET to a 2074 - bad idea?

2006-10-06 Thread Alan Altmark
On Friday, 10/06/2006 at 01:05 EST, Brian Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 According to the 2074 Console Support Controller Configurator Guide,
 Chapter 4, section 3270 Client support:
 The 2074 only supports TCP/IP attached clients which are running a
 Telnet TN3270E emulator program
 
 Since the TELNET command is not a TN3270E emulator program it's not a
 supported connection method to the 2074.  If that's incorrect please let
 me know.

Well, sure, it's true that it will want to negotiate a TN3270E session, 
but that doesn't mean it is supposed to malf if your telnet client (for 
any reason) refuses to go along.

It may be that it is too aggressive and isn't ending negotiations 
properly, but is going into a WILL/WONT/DO/DONT loop.  When combined with 
a telnet client suffering the same form of dementia, an infinite loop is 
quite possible, chewing up all sorts of CPU.  Who knows.  Use ethereal or 
whatever on your PC to see if this is the case.

  The other day someone used the TELNET command from a command line 
prompt
  to attempt to connect to our 2074.  Almost immediately, all the 
emulator
  sessions to the 2074 (regardless of what LPAR they were in session 
with)
  either disconnected or got agonizingly slow for a couple minutes and
 then
  disconnected.

BTW, issuing the telnet command from a command line prompt does not 
necessarily limit it to linemode.  The CMS TELNET command is a 
TN3270-capable command line client.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott