Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-04-19 Thread Richard Schuh
Martha,

You were planning a longer test over the Easter weekend. How did it go?


Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-29 Thread Jim Vincent
...RSU 0502 for z/VM 5.2 was just released...   Arg!  A victim of my own
bad reading.  I saw 5202RSU and typed 0502.

It is z/VM 5.2 RSU LVL 0601 and/or 5202RSU.   Clear, eh?  Depending on how
you look at it, it is either the 1st RSU of 2006 (0601) or Verion 5 release
2 RSU #2 (5.2 + #02 == 5202RSU).  Either way it is the same.

The easy way to do this:  Track APAR VM63863 or PTF UM97520.  They will
always contain the current (and correct!) RSU info for z/VM 5.2

___
James Vincent
Systems Engineering Consultant
Nationwide Services Co., Technology Infrastructure Engineering
Mainframe, z/VM and z/Linux Support
One Nationwide Plaza  3-25-02
Columbus OH 43215-2220   U.S.A
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Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-28 Thread Stracka, James (GTI)
What other vendor software?

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Behalf Of Schuh, Richard
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 4:22 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
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Then this is strictly a DIAG 10 problem? If so, that means that my
system hosting 100+ TPF and 0 BD2 is not susceptible, right?

We will be upgrading on 8 April. We tried a week ago but ran into a
severe problem in other vendor code and had to fall back. We have the
fix for that problem and are chomping at the bit.

Regards,
Richard Schuh

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On Behalf Of Bill Holder
Sent:   Monday, March 27, 2006 1:09 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject:Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

Thanks, Martha.  Running DB2 for VM with plenty of other load is the
main=

exposure, as the behavior which triggers the problem (contact me
directly=  if you want the gory details) is quite unusual and unique to
DB2, as far as = we know.  There's a small possibility of hitting it
while running a Linux th= at exploits the Diagnose x'10' page release
ballooning device driver hack,=

but I doubt many folks run with that (I'm not even sure of its proper
nam= e or whether it ever made it into any distro).  Once it starts
happening, o= f course, the hang behavior starts spreading to other
users, as the DB2 machines (or user machines trying to talk to it)
almost invariably hold s= ome other serialization when they hit the
hang.  We'll be watching customer experience with the circumvention as
well as doing ongoing investigation = to determine whether it's an
appropriate permanent solution (I hope it is, a= s the alternative fixes
are a lot more complicated).  The only concern we h= ave with the
circumvention isn't functional, it's the potential impact on performance
of holding a share of one of the locks involved (VMDPTIL) for=  a longer
duration.  

- Bill Holder, z/VM CP Development, Storage Management


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Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-28 Thread Edward M. Martin
Hello Everyone,

I have been following this thread with great interest.
We are currently on z/VM 4.3

We are (like most everyone else) 24/7 and can not afford any
known problems/errors that could/may happen.  

Is this Z/VM 5.2.0 problem associated with a particular hardware
configuration or could it happen on any 5.2.0 system?

Is this a reason to go to 5.1.0 and let the early test group
shake it out?

The question that will be asked, Can you tell me that it will
not happen here?  Yes or No.  

Tough question but it will be asked.

We are a VSE/VM shop.  With z/VM Web services for Nomad2 and
Ultraquest reporting.  We are doing somewhere between 500,000 to 750,000
transactions on one of the PROD CICS/TS systems. The others generate
another
50,000 then we have the TEST(but read PROD) and BETA system.

Interfaces to every other system within the hospital.

We will get 20 minutes to bring the new system online.


Ed Martin 
Aultman Health Foundation
330-588-4723
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
ext. 40441


Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-28 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 03/28/2006 at 11:29 EST, Edward M. Martin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I am leaning toward the 5.1 upgrade.  With the 5.2 at second
 level.
 Now comes the MP3000 to z/xxx  box as they have not told me which one
 yet.
 We are getting prices on everything.
 
 The hospital area is an exciting place to work.   We, like
 everyone it seems, have our restrictions.
 
 I do appreciate everyone opinions and info.  I hate re-inventing
 the wheel.

If you're on an MP3000, you can't migrate to 5.1 first.  You'll need to 
check the PSP bucket for the z800/z900/z890/z990 box to see what PTFs are 
needed to get 4.3 to run (as you say, unsupported at this point) on those 
boxes.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-28 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 03/28/2006 at 12:06 EST, Edward M. Martin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But I could upgrade to z/VM 4.4 on the MP3000, get over to the
 z/xxx box and then upgrade to z/VM 5.1.  Right?
 
 Or z/VM 5.2.

Right.  A lot depends on exactly which box you get.  z/VM 4.3 supports 
z800/z900.  z/VM 4.4 is needed for z890/z990.  But since you may find 
yourself wanting software support during the upgrade, getting to 4.4 first 
would be a Good Thing.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-28 Thread Hans Rempel
I used spxtape DUMP tape from a z/VM 3.1 system. During my testing I found out 
even files dumped from spxtape z/VM 5.2 caused the same problem. IBM ask me to 
test a fix which resolved the problem. An official fix should be out soon.

Hans 
 





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Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-28 Thread Austin, Alyce (CIV)
Because of the growing pains with 5.2, is support for z/VM 4.4 going
to be extended beyond 9/06?

Thanks,
Alyce



-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jim Vincent
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:00 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

RSU 0502 for z/VM 5.2 was just released - I would recommend that to
start
with.   There have been a number of HTT001 abends due to various page
translations too that you should also get the fixes for.  Some
additional
ones I presented in our Early Experiences session at SHARE include:

VM63630 UM31541 CONTROL REGISTER 12 IN SNAPDUMP IS NOT ACCURATE
VM63785 UM31588 ABENDFRE016 HCPCDT RELEASES A RCDBK
VM63808 UM31611 AFTER AN UNPLANNED HYPERSWAP VM CAN BECOME
UNRESPONSIVE
VM63827 UM31573 ABENDMCW002 IN INSTRUCTION SIMULATION
VM63832 UM31583 LOOP IN HCPCUP AFTER CE PERFORMED CUIR OPERATION
VM63837 UM31554 VARY ON PATH FAILS TO UNSUPPORTED DPS YES DEVICE
VM63845 UM31626 HIGH HCPALS TIME IN PAGING WORKLOADS
VM63867 UM31576 STORAGE SHORTAGE, VM NOT FLUSHING USER'S NDMBK'S
VM63877 UM31606 LOCKEDRS FIELD INCORRECT IN QUERY FRAMES OUTPUT
VM63879 UM31577 GUEST ZOS SYSTEM IN VIRTUAL SYSPLEX LOOPS
VM63881 UM31591 SHUTDOWN EXPERIENCING LONG DELAYS
VM63888 UM31605 LOOP LDSF, LDDSELR, PRESENT CC2 RC2, ACCEPT CC1
RC2
VM63893 UM31666 IMPROVE FULL TRACK MINIDISK CACHE PERFORMANCE
VM63895 UM31613 PEVM63735 LINUX GUEST CANNOT RECONNECT TO
NETWORK
VM63897 UM31617 THE SUPPORT ELEMENT CAN'T KEEP UP WITH MSGS FROM
APAR VM63815
VM63903 UM31669 PEVM63642 ABENDVDB007
VM63906 UM31677 ABENDPRG004 IN HCPDPS
VM63911 UM31630 ABENDHTT001 PG TRANS EXCEPTION AT HCPIOG+778
VM63915 UM31648 GUEST DETECTS HOT I/O ON VM LOGICAL DEVICE
VM63918 UM31659 INCORRECT LENGTH ERROR RETURNED INVALIDLY
VM63957 UM31693 ABENDHTT001 WHEN SNA USER DOES LOGOFF HOLD
VM63958 GUEST IPL UNDER Z/VM R520 IS SLOW
VM63961 SPXTAPE LOAD FILLING UP SPOOL WITH UNACCOUNTED
PAGES
VM63971 UM31705 ABENDHTT001 INCORRECT USE OF FREED TRQBK
VM63974 HCPSPO1838E PERMANENT I/O ERROR SPXTAPE RESTORE

There may be others, but these are some of the big hitters we have found
so
far and some may not all apply to you.   Considering your system up-time
requirements, you would do well to build a test system with all the
fixes
applied and let it settle in a little with your hardware/software
configuration.  z/VM 5.2 was a jump in advancement for storage relief,
so
it is certainly a good thing to go to but it is still seeing a few
growing
pains.

We have z/VM 5.2 on 12 systems here - all but 1 are production systems.
Generally they have been running very well.  As I mentioned, a couple
HTT001 abends hit us along with a pesky HPC010 that is still eluding us.

___
James Vincent
Systems Engineering Consultant
Nationwide Services Co., Technology Infrastructure Engineering
Mainframe, z/VM and z/Linux Support
One Nationwide Plaza  3-25-02
Columbus OH 43215-2220   U.S.A
Voice: (614) 249-5547Fax: (614) 677-7681
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-28 Thread Jim Vincent
I can't/won't speak for IBM but I doubt it.  If you can upgrade and are
thinking of V5, V5.1 is very stable and has done us well since we had it.
z/VM 5.2 is really good and especially useful for the  2G storage relief.
Chances are you will be okay with V5.2 - you just have to keep in mind it
is new and may need a little TLC.  That means keeping an eye on the APAR
list and doing preventive maintenance.   Going with z/VM 5.1 is IMHO a good
choice if you don't yet need the improvements 5.2 offers.

Either way, you can't guarantee no outages.  You just have to weigh the
risks and benefits of each release.

___
James Vincent
Systems Engineering Consultant
Nationwide Services Co., Technology Infrastructure Engineering
Mainframe, z/VM and z/Linux Support
One Nationwide Plaza  3-25-02
Columbus OH 43215-2220   U.S.A
Voice: (614) 249-5547Fax: (614) 677-7681
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 03/28/2006
02:05:02 PM:

 IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU

 Because of the growing pains with 5.2, is support for z/VM 4.4 going
 to be extended beyond 9/06?

 Thanks,
 Alyce



 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Jim Vincent
 Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:00 AM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

 RSU 0502 for z/VM 5.2 was just released - I would recommend that to
 start
 with.   There have been a number of HTT001 abends due to various page
 translations too that you should also get the fixes for.  Some
 additional
 ones I presented in our Early Experiences session at SHARE include:

 VM63630 UM31541 CONTROL REGISTER 12 IN SNAPDUMP IS NOT ACCURATE
 VM63785 UM31588 ABENDFRE016 HCPCDT RELEASES A RCDBK
 VM63808 UM31611 AFTER AN UNPLANNED HYPERSWAP VM CAN BECOME
 UNRESPONSIVE
 VM63827 UM31573 ABENDMCW002 IN INSTRUCTION SIMULATION
 VM63832 UM31583 LOOP IN HCPCUP AFTER CE PERFORMED CUIR OPERATION
 VM63837 UM31554 VARY ON PATH FAILS TO UNSUPPORTED DPS YES DEVICE
 VM63845 UM31626 HIGH HCPALS TIME IN PAGING WORKLOADS
 VM63867 UM31576 STORAGE SHORTAGE, VM NOT FLUSHING USER'S NDMBK'S
 VM63877 UM31606 LOCKEDRS FIELD INCORRECT IN QUERY FRAMES OUTPUT
 VM63879 UM31577 GUEST ZOS SYSTEM IN VIRTUAL SYSPLEX LOOPS
 VM63881 UM31591 SHUTDOWN EXPERIENCING LONG DELAYS
 VM63888 UM31605 LOOP LDSF, LDDSELR, PRESENT CC2 RC2, ACCEPT CC1
 RC2
 VM63893 UM31666 IMPROVE FULL TRACK MINIDISK CACHE PERFORMANCE
 VM63895 UM31613 PEVM63735 LINUX GUEST CANNOT RECONNECT TO
 NETWORK
 VM63897 UM31617 THE SUPPORT ELEMENT CAN'T KEEP UP WITH MSGS FROM
 APAR VM63815
 VM63903 UM31669 PEVM63642 ABENDVDB007
 VM63906 UM31677 ABENDPRG004 IN HCPDPS
 VM63911 UM31630 ABENDHTT001 PG TRANS EXCEPTION AT HCPIOG+778
 VM63915 UM31648 GUEST DETECTS HOT I/O ON VM LOGICAL DEVICE
 VM63918 UM31659 INCORRECT LENGTH ERROR RETURNED INVALIDLY
 VM63957 UM31693 ABENDHTT001 WHEN SNA USER DOES LOGOFF HOLD
 VM63958 GUEST IPL UNDER Z/VM R520 IS SLOW
 VM63961 SPXTAPE LOAD FILLING UP SPOOL WITH UNACCOUNTED
 PAGES
 VM63971 UM31705 ABENDHTT001 INCORRECT USE OF FREED TRQBK
 VM63974 HCPSPO1838E PERMANENT I/O ERROR SPXTAPE RESTORE

 There may be others, but these are some of the big hitters we have found
 so
 far and some may not all apply to you.   Considering your system up-time
 requirements, you would do well to build a test system with all the
 fixes
 applied and let it settle in a little with your hardware/software
 configuration.  z/VM 5.2 was a jump in advancement for storage relief,
 so
 it is certainly a good thing to go to but it is still seeing a few
 growing
 pains.

 We have z/VM 5.2 on 12 systems here - all but 1 are production systems.
 Generally they have been running very well.  As I mentioned, a couple
 HTT001 abends hit us along with a pesky HPC010 that is still eluding us.

 ___
 James Vincent
 Systems Engineering Consultant
 Nationwide Services Co., Technology Infrastructure Engineering
 Mainframe, z/VM and z/Linux Support
 One Nationwide Plaza  3-25-02
 Columbus OH 43215-2220   U.S.A
 Voice: (614) 249-5547Fax: (614) 677-7681
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-28 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 03/28/2006 at 11:05 PST, Austin, Alyce (CIV) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Because of the growing pains with 5.2, is support for z/VM 4.4 going
 to be extended beyond 9/06?

Alyce, what you aren't hearing about are all the sites that have z/VM 5.2 
running with *no* problems; as stable as previous releases.  Yes, there 
are a *few* sites that are having stability problems, but we are 
addressing them rapidly and with good results.

So at this point, no, we have no plan to extend service for z/VM 4.4, but 
it is an interesting idea in any event, and it's something we'll think 
more about.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-28 Thread Mike Walter

 Yes, there are a *few* sites that are having
stability problems, 
Uh huh. And they're the whiney
sites. That's right -- you know who you are!! :-)

Mike (having a Chuckie moment)
Walter
Hewitt Associates
The opinions expressed herein are mine
alone, not my employer's.

The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
wrote on 03/28/2006 03:52:02 PM:

 On Tuesday, 03/28/2006 at 11:05 PST, Austin, Alyce (CIV)

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Because of the growing pains with 5.2, is support
for z/VM 4.4 going
  to be extended beyond 9/06?
 
 Alyce, what you aren't hearing about are all the sites that have z/VM
5.2 
 running with *no* problems; as stable as previous releases. Yes,
there 
 are a *few* sites that are having stability problems, but we are 
 addressing them rapidly and with good results.
 
 So at this point, no, we have no plan to extend service for z/VM 4.4,
but 
 it is an interesting idea in any event, and it's something we'll think

 more about.
 
 Alan Altmark
 z/VM Development
 IBM Endicott
 

 
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Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-28 Thread Marcy Cortes
We've only had 1 problem to date on our very busy (overloaded :) z9-109
2 engine, 80 linux machine and we've had 5.2.0 there since 1/21.

We had MPROUTE hang last week.  It was due to *something* in our network
which caused our MTU to change and MPROUTE to hang.  Workaround fix
(before PK20644 closes) is to code MTU on the LINK statements (instead
of just in the MPROUTE CONFIG) and to apply:

   
CMS 
VM63819 -  LONG RUNNING C APPLICATION HITS OUT-OF-STORAGE ABEND 
CONDITION   
UM31618 R510
UM31619 R520
.   
LE APARS  (For ALL z/VM R440/R510/R520 systems - same PTF all releases) 
VM63690- MPROUTE HANGS AFTER IOCTL() ABEND  
UM31365 
.   
VM63755 - NEW FUNCTION IN Z/VM LE   
UM31521 
.   
VM63778 - MPROUTE NOT RESPONDING TO COMMANDS FROM AUTHORIZED USER   
UM31470 
.   
VM63507 - VARIOUS ABENDS WHEN NON-LE CODE USES AN LE STACK FRAME
UM31245 
.   
VM63795 - LE-BASED APPLICATION HANGS AFTER RECOVERABLE ABEND
UM31480 

(just 2 of those weren't on my 5.2.0 system with rsu 501).


Apparently, this is also a 5.1.0 problem too - we just haven't seen it
on our 5.1.0 systems.

Other than that bad day, everything's been chugging right along (and
performing very nicely).

(Operations commented that a bad switch in the network caused problems
on lots of things - that was as much as I've been able to find out).

Marcy Cortes


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To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

On Tuesday, 03/28/2006 at 11:05 PST, Austin, Alyce (CIV) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Because of the growing pains with 5.2, is support for z/VM 4.4 going
 to be extended beyond 9/06?

Alyce, what you aren't hearing about are all the sites that have z/VM
5.2 
running with *no* problems; as stable as previous releases.  Yes, there 
are a *few* sites that are having stability problems, but we are 
addressing them rapidly and with good results.

So at this point, no, we have no plan to extend service for z/VM 4.4,
but 
it is an interesting idea in any event, and it's something we'll think 
more about.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-28 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 03/28/2006 at 04:05 CST, Mike Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  Yes, there are a *few* sites that are having stability problems, 
 Uh huh.  And they're the whiney  sites.  That's right -- you know who 
you are!! 
  :-) 

I wondered where the ol' Chuckster has been.  Now I know. 
Chuckieee --- Time to come h-mmme!!

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-28 Thread Schuh, Richard








We have to
be whiney demanding. Having too many
fall back events hurts our job stability, which is infinitely more critical
than the stability of the system.



Regards,

Richard Schuh



-Original
Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating
System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On
Behalf Of Mike Walter
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:06
PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0
problem




 Yes, there
are a *few* sites that are having stability problems, 
Uh huh. And they're the whiney sites. That's right -- you know who you
are!! :-) 

Mike (having a Chuckie
moment) Walter 
Hewitt Associates 
The opinions expressed herein are
mine alone, not my employer's. 

The IBM
z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 03/28/2006
03:52:02 PM:

 On Tuesday, 03/28/2006 at 11:05 PST, Austin, Alyce (CIV) 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Because of the growing pains with 5.2, is support for
z/VM 4.4 going
  to be extended beyond 9/06?
 
 Alyce, what you aren't hearing about are all the sites that have z/VM
5.2 
 running with *no* problems; as stable as previous releases. Yes,
there 
 are a *few* sites that are having stability problems, but we are 
 addressing them rapidly and with good results.
 
 So at this point, no, we have no plan to extend service for z/VM 4.4,
but 
 it is an interesting idea in any event, and it's something we'll think

 more about.
 
 Alan Altmark
 z/VM Development
 IBM Endicott
 


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Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-28 Thread Martha McConaghy
Geeezztake a day off and the discussion gets completely out of control!

First, no one was whining as far as I can tell.  We all have pretty high
expectations of VM now, and more often than not, it meets them.

I'm not complaining about z/VM 5.2.0 in any way.  We signed up for the early
testing knowing that problems would happen.  Its why IBM likes us to be
involved.  For the period of time we had it running, the system simply
screamed!  500 Linux systems booting in minutes rather than hours, paging
extremely lowjust what we are looking for.  I'm confident when we get
past this one problem, we will be very happy with 5.2.0.

Ed and other folks who have very high availability requirements should be
forewarned, however, so they can make informed decisions.  CP 5.2.0 represents
one of the biggest changes in VM in many years and there is bound to be a
shake out period.  Those who have to be very conservative might want to
give it alittle time before jumping onto it.  5.1.0 is very stable.

Martha


Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-27 Thread Bill Holder
Thanks, Martha.  Running DB2 for VM with plenty of other load is the main

exposure, as the behavior which triggers the problem (contact me directly
 if
you want the gory details) is quite unusual and unique to DB2, as far as 
we
know.  There's a small possibility of hitting it while running a Linux th
at
exploits the Diagnose x'10' page release ballooning device driver hack,

but I doubt many folks run with that (I'm not even sure of its proper nam
e
or whether it ever made it into any distro).  Once it starts happening, o
f
course, the hang behavior starts spreading to other users, as the DB2
machines (or user machines trying to talk to it) almost invariably hold s
ome
other serialization when they hit the hang.  We'll be watching customer
experience with the circumvention as well as doing ongoing investigation 
to
determine whether it's an appropriate permanent solution (I hope it is, a
s
the alternative fixes are a lot more complicated).  The only concern we h
ave
with the circumvention isn't functional, it's the potential impact on
performance of holding a share of one of the locks involved (VMDPTIL) for
 a
longer duration.  

- Bill Holder, z/VM CP Development, Storage Management


Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-27 Thread Bill Holder
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:11:09 -0600, Bill Holder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot
e:

There are two aspects of the problem, only one of which is directly Diag
nose
x'10' / release processing related.  The other aspect has to do with
handling of the logically 0 page state created by Diagnose x'10', when
 the
HPMA function is enabled and substantial paging load is present.  I real
ly
doubt anyone not running DB2 for VM with dataspaces enabled on HPMA capa
ble
hardware with will experience the problem.  

- Bill Holder, IBM z/VM CP Development, Storage Management


Ooops, change with will experience to will experience.  :-)  

- Bill Holder


Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

2006-03-27 Thread Bill Holder
I have to apologize, I'm confusing two different problems I've been worki
ng
on.  The hang condition that Martha reported is not the one related to
HPMA enabled hardware or logically zero page states.  Rather, it has to
 do
with some unusual behavior by DB2 for VM (with dataspaces) in its usage o
f
Diagnose x'10' to release page ranges which include pages that are still
being actively referenced by other threads.  I still would not expect any
 
other products or applications to expose that problem, though I can't 
guarantee that such cases do not exist.  We've never seen or heard of the
 
problem occurring for SFS with dataspaces (and the exposure isn't dataspa
ce 
specific), or anything other than DB2, so I'm fairly confident your syste
m
will not experience it.

- Bill Holder, IBM z/VM CP Development, Storage Management 

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:50:50 -0800, Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot
e:

Not even SFS with dataspace enabled directories? 

Regards,
Richard Schuh

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 On
Behalf Of Bill Holder
Sent:  Monday, March 27, 2006 2:11 PM
To:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject:   Re: Update on z/VM 5.2.0 problem

There are two aspects of the problem, only one of which is directly Diag
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x'10' / release processing related.  The other aspect has to do with
handling of the logically 0 page state created by Diagnose x'10', when
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HPMA function is enabled and substantial paging load is present.  I real
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doubt anyone not running DB2 for VM with dataspaces enabled on HPMA capa
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hardware with will experience the problem.  

- Bill Holder, IBM z/VM CP Development, Storage Management