Re: page pack question
Another suggestion that no one seems to have mentioned, is to define different system names in the CONFIG file, one for the 1st level CPUID and a different one for 2nd level. Then you can specify different OWNED lists, by system name. I do this for a few items in my config, such as defining some hardware and the HOST command only for a 2nd level system. Shimon On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Crabtree, Anne D anne.d.crabt...@wv.govwrote: Yea, the only thing is that once I add them as CPOWNED on my 6.1 system (which I'd have to do while up on level 2), I would not be able to ipl it second level if I had to go back to 5.4. Then what would I do? Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:50 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: page pack question As long as they're not in use at the same time... no problem at all. On 07/12/2011 09:38 AM, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: I installed release 6.1 of z/vm but I don't have enough mod 3's to label as page packs to match the 5.4 system. Is there any reason that I can't use the 5.4 page packs when I ipl 6.1 on level 1? On z/os, this is what I always do but on z/vm I usually define new page packs (ie 610pag, 610pg1, etc..) Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -- Rich Smrcina Velocity Software, Inc. http://www.velocitysoftware.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2012 - April 13-17, 2012 Covington, KY
Re: page pack question
Hi, Anne. Yes, you can use the old 5.4 page packs when you IPL 6.1 on first level. Just make usre you add them to 6.1's SYSTEM CONFIG file as cpowned. DJ On 07/12/2011 09:38 AM, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: I installed release 6.1 of z/vm but I don’t have enough mod 3’s to label as page packs to match the 5.4 system. Is there any reason that I can’t use the 5.4 page packs when I ipl 6.1 on level 1? On z/os, this is what I always do but on z/vm I usually define new page packs (ie 610pag, 610pg1, etc..) Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -- Dave Jones V/Soft Software www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544
Re: page pack question
As long as they're not in use at the same time... no problem at all. On 07/12/2011 09:38 AM, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: I installed release 6.1 of z/vm but I don’t have enough mod 3’s to label as page packs to match the 5.4 system. Is there any reason that I can’t use the 5.4 page packs when I ipl 6.1 on level 1? On z/os, this is what I always do but on z/vm I usually define new page packs (ie 610pag, 610pg1, etc..) Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -- Rich Smrcina Velocity Software, Inc. http://www.velocitysoftware.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2012 - April 13-17, 2012 Covington, KY
Re: page pack question
On Tuesday, 07/12/2011 at 10:38 EDT, Crabtree, Anne D anne.d.crabt...@wv.gov wrote: I installed release 6.1 of z/vm but I don?t have enough mod 3?s to label as page packs to match the 5.4 system. Is there any reason that I can?t use the 5.4 page packs when I ipl 6.1 on level 1? On z/os, this is what I always do but on z/vm I usually define new page packs (ie 610pag, 610pg1, etc..) You can use the same paging and T-disk volumes. Alan Altmark Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile; 607.321.7556 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
Re: page pack question
Yea, the only thing is that once I add them as CPOWNED on my 6.1 system (which I'd have to do while up on level 2), I would not be able to ipl it second level if I had to go back to 5.4. Then what would I do? Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:50 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: page pack question As long as they're not in use at the same time... no problem at all. On 07/12/2011 09:38 AM, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: I installed release 6.1 of z/vm but I don't have enough mod 3's to label as page packs to match the 5.4 system. Is there any reason that I can't use the 5.4 page packs when I ipl 6.1 on level 1? On z/os, this is what I always do but on z/vm I usually define new page packs (ie 610pag, 610pg1, etc..) Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -- Rich Smrcina Velocity Software, Inc. http://www.velocitysoftware.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2012 - April 13-17, 2012 Covington, KY
Re: page pack question
How about I bring up 6.1 with the couple of 6.1 page packs I can define and then add the 5.4 ones on the fly? (attach them to system, define cpowned, etc) That way they would not be in the system config and I could still bring 6.1 up on second level if necessary. Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:50 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: page pack question As long as they're not in use at the same time... no problem at all. On 07/12/2011 09:38 AM, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: I installed release 6.1 of z/vm but I don't have enough mod 3's to label as page packs to match the 5.4 system. Is there any reason that I can't use the 5.4 page packs when I ipl 6.1 on level 1? On z/os, this is what I always do but on z/vm I usually define new page packs (ie 610pag, 610pg1, etc..) Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -- Rich Smrcina Velocity Software, Inc. http://www.velocitysoftware.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2012 - April 13-17, 2012 Covington, KY
Re: page pack question
Can't you go ahead and put them in your CP OWNED list and as long as they are not attached to the 2nd level id, you will get an error that they can't be found but the system will still come up as long as you still have at least one pack that you are using at 2nd now. Bob Bates robert.ba...@wellsfargo.com This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Crabtree, Anne D Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:54 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: page pack question How about I bring up 6.1 with the couple of 6.1 page packs I can define and then add the 5.4 ones on the fly? (attach them to system, define cpowned, etc) That way they would not be in the system config and I could still bring 6.1 up on second level if necessary. Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:50 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: page pack question As long as they're not in use at the same time... no problem at all. On 07/12/2011 09:38 AM, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: I installed release 6.1 of z/vm but I don't have enough mod 3's to label as page packs to match the 5.4 system. Is there any reason that I can't use the 5.4 page packs when I ipl 6.1 on level 1? On z/os, this is what I always do but on z/vm I usually define new page packs (ie 610pag, 610pg1, etc..) Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -- Rich Smrcina Velocity Software, Inc. http://www.velocitysoftware.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2012 - April 13-17, 2012 Covington, KY
Re: page pack question
You need to beable to access your 6.1 CF! disk from youe 1st level 5.4 machine to change the SYSTEM CONFIG file back to what you need for the 2nd level IPL... At least that is what I would do. On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Crabtree, Anne D anne.d.crabt...@wv.govwrote: Yea, the only thing is that once I add them as CPOWNED on my 6.1 system (which I'd have to do while up on level 2), I would not be able to ipl it second level if I had to go back to 5.4. Then what would I do? Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:50 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: page pack question As long as they're not in use at the same time... no problem at all. On 07/12/2011 09:38 AM, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: I installed release 6.1 of z/vm but I don't have enough mod 3's to label as page packs to match the 5.4 system. Is there any reason that I can't use the 5.4 page packs when I ipl 6.1 on level 1? On z/os, this is what I always do but on z/vm I usually define new page packs (ie 610pag, 610pg1, etc..) Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -- Rich Smrcina Velocity Software, Inc. http://www.velocitysoftware.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2012 - April 13-17, 2012 Covington, KY
Re: page pack question
That's reasonable. As long as the 5.4 system isn't using them at the same time. That would be 'bad'. On 07/12/2011 09:53 AM, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: How about I bring up 6.1 with the couple of 6.1 page packs I can define and then add the 5.4 ones on the fly? (attach them to system, define cpowned, etc) That way they would not be in the system config and I could still bring 6.1 up on second level if necessary. Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:50 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: page pack question As long as they're not in use at the same time... no problem at all. On 07/12/2011 09:38 AM, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: I installed release 6.1 of z/vm but I don't have enough mod 3's to label as page packs to match the 5.4 system. Is there any reason that I can't use the 5.4 page packs when I ipl 6.1 on level 1? On z/os, this is what I always do but on z/vm I usually define new page packs (ie 610pag, 610pg1, etc..) Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -- Rich Smrcina Velocity Software, Inc. http://www.velocitysoftware.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2012 - April 13-17, 2012 Covington, KY
Re: page pack question
Hi, Anne. If your second level system is only to maintenance (5.4 or 6.1, no matter) , you don't need a lot of page packs. Define a virtual machine with 256G and one mdisk (not full pack) to PAGE, formated with the same volser as the fullpack. When IPLed on first level, it can take the full packs needed. Caution: this tip it's not valid for SPOOL, only to PAGE volumes. SPOOL needs a more elaborated solution. Regards, __ Clovis From: Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com To: IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu Date: 12/07/2011 12:04 Subject: Re: page pack question Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu You need to beable to access your 6.1 CF! disk from youe 1st level 5.4 machine to change the SYSTEM CONFIG file back to what you need for the 2nd level IPL... At least that is what I would do. On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Crabtree, Anne D anne.d.crabt...@wv.gov wrote: Yea, the only thing is that once I add them as CPOWNED on my 6.1 system (which I'd have to do while up on level 2), I would not be able to ipl it second level if I had to go back to 5.4. Then what would I do? Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:50 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: page pack question As long as they're not in use at the same time... no problem at all. On 07/12/2011 09:38 AM, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: I installed release 6.1 of z/vm but I don't have enough mod 3's to label as page packs to match the 5.4 system. Is there any reason that I can't use the 5.4 page packs when I ipl 6.1 on level 1? On z/os, this is what I always do but on z/vm I usually define new page packs (ie 610pag, 610pg1, etc..) Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -- Rich Smrcina Velocity Software, Inc. http://www.velocitysoftware.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2012 - April 13-17, 2012 Covington, KY
Re: page pack question
Ok, I think I'll go that route... and as someone else suggested, I can always access my 6.1 system config from my 5.4 system if I needed to change it... Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:07 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: page pack question That's reasonable. As long as the 5.4 system isn't using them at the same time. That would be 'bad'. On 07/12/2011 09:53 AM, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: How about I bring up 6.1 with the couple of 6.1 page packs I can define and then add the 5.4 ones on the fly? (attach them to system, define cpowned, etc) That way they would not be in the system config and I could still bring 6.1 up on second level if necessary. Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:50 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: page pack question As long as they're not in use at the same time... no problem at all. On 07/12/2011 09:38 AM, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: I installed release 6.1 of z/vm but I don't have enough mod 3's to label as page packs to match the 5.4 system. Is there any reason that I can't use the 5.4 page packs when I ipl 6.1 on level 1? On z/os, this is what I always do but on z/vm I usually define new page packs (ie 610pag, 610pg1, etc..) Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -- Rich Smrcina Velocity Software, Inc. http://www.velocitysoftware.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2012 - April 13-17, 2012 Covington, KY
Re: page pack question
As CP can page in SPOOL space, your secondlevel system may even start without any page pack attached to it. It just depends on how much (and hwo large) guests you'd start in the secondlevel test system. 2011/7/12 Crabtree, Anne D anne.d.crabt...@wv.gov Ok, I think I'll go that route... and as someone else suggested, I can always access my 6.1 system config from my 5.4 system if I needed to change it... Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:07 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: page pack question That's reasonable. As long as the 5.4 system isn't using them at the same time. That would be 'bad'. On 07/12/2011 09:53 AM, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: How about I bring up 6.1 with the couple of 6.1 page packs I can define and then add the 5.4 ones on the fly? (attach them to system, define cpowned, etc) That way they would not be in the system config and I could still bring 6.1 up on second level if necessary. Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:50 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: page pack question As long as they're not in use at the same time... no problem at all. On 07/12/2011 09:38 AM, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: I installed release 6.1 of z/vm but I don't have enough mod 3's to label as page packs to match the 5.4 system. Is there any reason that I can't use the 5.4 page packs when I ipl 6.1 on level 1? On z/os, this is what I always do but on z/vm I usually define new page packs (ie 610pag, 610pg1, etc..) Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -- Rich Smrcina Velocity Software, Inc. http://www.velocitysoftware.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2012 - April 13-17, 2012 Covington, KY -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
