Re: z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1
The z/VM 5.4 and z/VM 6.1 are starting to diverge. Along with the zBX and URM aspects. We're starting to see more service of the 'enhancement' nature going into 6.1 and not 5.4. For example, an improvement to scheduler lock management VM64927 is available for 6.1, but not for 5.4. This is interesting for systems on larger n-ways that want to reduce z/VM and LPAR overhead. (Sorry sent this to wrong list yesterday. Senior moment.) Bill Bitner IBM z/VM Customer Care and Focus
Re: z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1
Thanks Doug! Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin CMS - CITIC 3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244 Engineering Computing Mainframe Support Cell - 443 632-4191 From: Doug [mailto:dsh...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:45 PM To: The IBM z/VM Operating System Cc: Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Subject: Re: z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1 On 5/23/2011 12:51, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) wrote: Hi I know this was discussed awhile back, but is there any compelling reason why I need to go to z/VM 6.1 for a z196 install? The more I read about z/VM 6.1 it seems that most of the enhancements are covered under z/VM 5.4 at the latest level. But I just wanted to make sure that there is nothing in 6.1 for z196 that is not in 5.4 at the latest level? Thanks for the help! Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin CMS - CITIC 3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244 Engineering Computing Mainframe Support Cell - 443 632-4191 Terry, We went z196 at z/VM 5.4 with 2817 PSP and q cplevel = 1002, ( RSU 5407 if I recall correctly). If zBX is not a requirement, z/VM 5.4 with 2817 PSP will get'r done. If exploiting a zBX is in your very near future, z/VM 6.1 is a must do. Regards, Doug
Re: z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1
Terry wrote: I know this was discussed awhile back, but is there any compelling reason why I need to go to z/VM 6.1 for a z196 install? The more I read about z/VM 6.1 it seems that most of the enhancements are covered under z/VM 5.4 at the latest level. But I just wanted to make sure that there is nothing in 6.1 for z196 that is not in 5.4 at the latest level? Hey Terry, That's what we decided to do (skip 6.1). We're all 196 now. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:51 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1 Hi I know this was discussed awhile back, but is there any compelling reason why I need to go to z/VM 6.1 for a z196 install? The more I read about z/VM 6.1 it seems that most of the enhancements are covered under z/VM 5.4 at the latest level. But I just wanted to make sure that there is nothing in 6.1 for z196 that is not in 5.4 at the latest level? Thanks for the help! Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin CMS - CITIC 3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244 Engineering Computing Mainframe Support Cell - 443 632-4191
Re: z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1
Hi Marcy, Great thanks. BTW, I heard that the Workload Ensemble under URM (z/Manager) is still not GA is this true and in general have you guys used z/Manager and what do you think? My initial interest in z/Manager was for the Workload piece where they claim it will give z/OS Workload Manager type control over z/VM processes any idea on this? Thanks again Marcy! Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin CMS - CITIC 3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244 Engineering Computing Mainframe Support Cell - 443 632-4191 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:55 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1 Terry wrote: I know this was discussed awhile back, but is there any compelling reason why I need to go to z/VM 6.1 for a z196 install? The more I read about z/VM 6.1 it seems that most of the enhancements are covered under z/VM 5.4 at the latest level. But I just wanted to make sure that there is nothing in 6.1 for z196 that is not in 5.4 at the latest level? Hey Terry, That's what we decided to do (skip 6.1). We're all 196 now. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:51 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1 Hi I know this was discussed awhile back, but is there any compelling reason why I need to go to z/VM 6.1 for a z196 install? The more I read about z/VM 6.1 it seems that most of the enhancements are covered under z/VM 5.4 at the latest level. But I just wanted to make sure that there is nothing in 6.1 for z196 that is not in 5.4 at the latest level? Thanks for the help! Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin CMS - CITIC 3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244 Engineering Computing Mainframe Support Cell - 443 632-4191
Re: z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1
We've not looked at URM or z/Manager yet. We've had bigger fish to fry including the z196 installs! Maybe someone else has, but if it not GA, they wouldn't be able to comment yet! Marcy -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 10:09 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1 Hi Marcy, Great thanks. BTW, I heard that the Workload Ensemble under URM (z/Manager) is still not GA is this true and in general have you guys used z/Manager and what do you think? My initial interest in z/Manager was for the Workload piece where they claim it will give z/OS Workload Manager type control over z/VM processes any idea on this? Thanks again Marcy! Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin CMS - CITIC 3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244 Engineering Computing Mainframe Support Cell - 443 632-4191 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:55 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1 Terry wrote: I know this was discussed awhile back, but is there any compelling reason why I need to go to z/VM 6.1 for a z196 install? The more I read about z/VM 6.1 it seems that most of the enhancements are covered under z/VM 5.4 at the latest level. But I just wanted to make sure that there is nothing in 6.1 for z196 that is not in 5.4 at the latest level? Hey Terry, That's what we decided to do (skip 6.1). We're all 196 now. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:51 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1 Hi I know this was discussed awhile back, but is there any compelling reason why I need to go to z/VM 6.1 for a z196 install? The more I read about z/VM 6.1 it seems that most of the enhancements are covered under z/VM 5.4 at the latest level. But I just wanted to make sure that there is nothing in 6.1 for z196 that is not in 5.4 at the latest level? Thanks for the help! Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin CMS - CITIC 3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244 Engineering Computing Mainframe Support Cell - 443 632-4191
Re: z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1
Hi Marcy, Thanks. Yeah I suspect that we will be in the same boat in terms of priority. Thanks again Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin CMS - CITIC 3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244 Engineering Computing Mainframe Support Cell - 443 632-4191 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 1:51 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1 We've not looked at URM or z/Manager yet. We've had bigger fish to fry including the z196 installs! Maybe someone else has, but if it not GA, they wouldn't be able to comment yet! Marcy -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 10:09 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1 Hi Marcy, Great thanks. BTW, I heard that the Workload Ensemble under URM (z/Manager) is still not GA is this true and in general have you guys used z/Manager and what do you think? My initial interest in z/Manager was for the Workload piece where they claim it will give z/OS Workload Manager type control over z/VM processes any idea on this? Thanks again Marcy! Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin CMS - CITIC 3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244 Engineering Computing Mainframe Support Cell - 443 632-4191 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:55 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1 Terry wrote: I know this was discussed awhile back, but is there any compelling reason why I need to go to z/VM 6.1 for a z196 install? The more I read about z/VM 6.1 it seems that most of the enhancements are covered under z/VM 5.4 at the latest level. But I just wanted to make sure that there is nothing in 6.1 for z196 that is not in 5.4 at the latest level? Hey Terry, That's what we decided to do (skip 6.1). We're all 196 now. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:51 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1 Hi I know this was discussed awhile back, but is there any compelling reason why I need to go to z/VM 6.1 for a z196 install? The more I read about z/VM 6.1 it seems that most of the enhancements are covered under z/VM 5.4 at the latest level. But I just wanted to make sure that there is nothing in 6.1 for z196 that is not in 5.4 at the latest level? Thanks for the help! Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin CMS - CITIC 3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244 Engineering Computing Mainframe Support Cell - 443 632-4191
Re: z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1
On Monday, 05/23/2011 at 01:09 EDT, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) terry.mar...@cms.hhs.gov wrote: Great thanks. BTW, I heard that the Workload Ensemble under URM (z/Manager) is still not GA is this true and in general have you guys used z/Manager and what do you think? My initial interest in z/Manager was for the Workload piece where they claim it will give z/OS Workload Manager type control over z/VM processes any idea on this? If you're interested in ensembles, then you need to be on z/VM V6. There is no support for them in 5.4. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile; 607.321.7556 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
Re: z/VM 5.4 vs z/VM 6.1
On 5/23/2011 12:51, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) wrote: Hi I know this was discussed awhile back, but is there any compelling reason why I need to go to z/VM 6.1 for a z196 install? The more I read about z/VM 6.1 it seems that most of the enhancements are covered under z/VM 5.4 at the latest level. But I just wanted to make sure that there is nothing in 6.1 for z196 that is not in 5.4 at the latest level? Thanks for the help! *Thank You,* ** *Terry Martin* *Lockheed Martin* *CMS - CITIC* *3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244 **Engineering Computing* *Mainframe Support* *Cell - 443 632-4191* ** Terry, We went z196 at z/VM 5.4 with 2817 PSP and q cplevel = 1002, ( RSU 5407 if I recall correctly). If zBX is not a requirement, z/VM 5.4 with 2817 PSP will get'r done. If exploiting a zBX is in your very near future, z/VM 6.1 is a must do. Regards, Doug
