Re: Software on tape
Another consideration is DB2, if you run DB2 for VM/VSE. We have successfully written log archive files to disk, but for the full archives apparently tape is the only thing it will accept. Product documentation indicates that tape is required for log archives as well, unless running a user-defined archive. Nora Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Main IRS, Room 6531 (202) 622-6735 Fax (202) 622-3123 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 6:25 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Software on tape I've been asked whether our z/VM systems could convert to using only virtual tape. One of the possible sticking points is vendor software. If necessary, we could keep a couple of manual tape drives around for software installs. I'm trying to determine if it's necessary. Have IBM or any other software vendors made statements of direction for offering alternatives to delivering software on tape? I know that z/VM itself has been available on DVD for the last 3 releases, and CA's VM:Manager products are downloadable. I see that z/VM and products on SDO are now downloadable, too. What about products not on SDO? Is tape the only choice for those? I tried to register for ShopzSeries to see what was actually downloadable, but was told my customer number doesn't exist. Perhaps customer numbers for Resource Link and ShopzSeries are not the same. Dennis O'Brien A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill. -- Robert A. Heinlein
Software on tape
I've been asked whether our z/VM systems could convert to using only virtual tape. One of the possible sticking points is vendor software. If necessary, we could keep a couple of manual tape drives around for software installs. I'm trying to determine if it's necessary. Have IBM or any other software vendors made statements of direction for offering alternatives to delivering software on tape? I know that z/VM itself has been available on DVD for the last 3 releases, and CA's VM:Manager products are downloadable. I see that z/VM and products on SDO are now downloadable, too. What about products not on SDO? Is tape the only choice for those? I tried to register for ShopzSeries to see what was actually downloadable, but was told my customer number doesn't exist. Perhaps customer numbers for Resource Link and ShopzSeries are not the same. Dennis O'Brien A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill. -- Robert A. Heinlein
Re: Software on tape
We get our software from VSSI, Velocity-Software and CA via FTP. I have gotten an RSU and individual PTFs from IBM that way. I don't know about an initial distribution, though. About your customer number - has BoA started having its software sent to Charlotte because of the tax burden that CA imposes? If so, your old CA number customer will have been deleted this year. I know that mine did. It was supposed to have been changed over 2 years ago, but nobody told me (it was an MVS secret). The old number worked up to the end of last year. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:25 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Software on tape I've been asked whether our z/VM systems could convert to using only virtual tape. One of the possible sticking points is vendor software. If necessary, we could keep a couple of manual tape drives around for software installs. I'm trying to determine if it's necessary. Have IBM or any other software vendors made statements of direction for offering alternatives to delivering software on tape? I know that z/VM itself has been available on DVD for the last 3 releases, and CA's VM:Manager products are downloadable. I see that z/VM and products on SDO are now downloadable, too. What about products not on SDO? Is tape the only choice for those? I tried to register for ShopzSeries to see what was actually downloadable, but was told my customer number doesn't exist. Perhaps customer numbers for Resource Link and ShopzSeries are not the same. Dennis O'Brien A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill. -- Robert A. Heinlein
Re: Software on tape
Richard, We have a CA customer number for each data center. My comment about ShopzSeries was related to IBM customer numbers. It's my understanding that California does not charge sales tax on downloads, but only if physical media is sent to California. We dealt with this when we were a California-based bank, before being acquired by NationsBank. Someone discovered the sales tax issue and asked us to use download whenever possible to avoid being taxed. Dennis A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill. -- Robert A. Heinlein -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:35 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Software on tape We get our software from VSSI, Velocity-Software and CA via FTP. I have gotten an RSU and individual PTFs from IBM that way. I don't know about an initial distribution, though. About your customer number - has BoA started having its software sent to Charlotte because of the tax burden that CA imposes? If so, your old CA number customer will have been deleted this year. I know that mine did. It was supposed to have been changed over 2 years ago, but nobody told me (it was an MVS secret). The old number worked up to the end of last year. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:25 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Software on tape I've been asked whether our z/VM systems could convert to using only virtual tape. One of the possible sticking points is vendor software. If necessary, we could keep a couple of manual tape drives around for software installs. I'm trying to determine if it's necessary. Have IBM or any other software vendors made statements of direction for offering alternatives to delivering software on tape? I know that z/VM itself has been available on DVD for the last 3 releases, and CA's VM:Manager products are downloadable. I see that z/VM and products on SDO are now downloadable, too. What about products not on SDO? Is tape the only choice for those? I tried to register for ShopzSeries to see what was actually downloadable, but was told my customer number doesn't exist. Perhaps customer numbers for Resource Link and ShopzSeries are not the same. Dennis O'Brien A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill. -- Robert A. Heinlein
Re: Software on tape
Sorry - that CA was for California, not the vendor. I was referring to IBM customer numbers. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:44 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Software on tape Richard, We have a CA customer number for each data center. My comment about ShopzSeries was related to IBM customer numbers. It's my understanding that California does not charge sales tax on downloads, but only if physical media is sent to California. We dealt with this when we were a California-based bank, before being acquired by NationsBank. Someone discovered the sales tax issue and asked us to use download whenever possible to avoid being taxed. Dennis A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill. -- Robert A. Heinlein -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:35 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Software on tape We get our software from VSSI, Velocity-Software and CA via FTP. I have gotten an RSU and individual PTFs from IBM that way. I don't know about an initial distribution, though. About your customer number - has BoA started having its software sent to Charlotte because of the tax burden that CA imposes? If so, your old CA number customer will have been deleted this year. I know that mine did. It was supposed to have been changed over 2 years ago, but nobody told me (it was an MVS secret). The old number worked up to the end of last year. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:25 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Software on tape I've been asked whether our z/VM systems could convert to using only virtual tape. One of the possible sticking points is vendor software. If necessary, we could keep a couple of manual tape drives around for software installs. I'm trying to determine if it's necessary. Have IBM or any other software vendors made statements of direction for offering alternatives to delivering software on tape? I know that z/VM itself has been available on DVD for the last 3 releases, and CA's VM:Manager products are downloadable. I see that z/VM and products on SDO are now downloadable, too. What about products not on SDO? Is tape the only choice for those? I tried to register for ShopzSeries to see what was actually downloadable, but was told my customer number doesn't exist. Perhaps customer numbers for Resource Link and ShopzSeries are not the same. Dennis O'Brien A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill. -- Robert A. Heinlein
Re: Software on tape
On Monday, 05/05/2008 at 06:26 EDT, O'Brien, Dennis L Dennis.L.O'[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have IBM or any other software vendors made statements of direction for offering alternatives to delivering software on tape? The products in the SDO, including z/VM itself, are available for download via ShopzSeries. No other products are available electronically and I don't anticipate a change in that any time soon. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Software on tape
We have one IBM customer number for Resource Link for our San Francisco data center and another for our Kansas City data center. Those are the only two in the US that have z/VM. Neither number worked for ShopzSeries. I have asked our IBM rep what I should use. Alan Altmark's answer was sufficient. There are products we can't get electronically. That's enough for me to tell the storage architect that we must have access to real tape drives. Dennis O'Brien A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill. -- Robert A. Heinlein -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:48 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Software on tape Sorry - that CA was for California, not the vendor. I was referring to IBM customer numbers. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:44 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Software on tape Richard, We have a CA customer number for each data center. My comment about ShopzSeries was related to IBM customer numbers. It's my understanding that California does not charge sales tax on downloads, but only if physical media is sent to California. We dealt with this when we were a California-based bank, before being acquired by NationsBank. Someone discovered the sales tax issue and asked us to use download whenever possible to avoid being taxed. Dennis A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill. -- Robert A. Heinlein -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:35 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Software on tape We get our software from VSSI, Velocity-Software and CA via FTP. I have gotten an RSU and individual PTFs from IBM that way. I don't know about an initial distribution, though. About your customer number - has BoA started having its software sent to Charlotte because of the tax burden that CA imposes? If so, your old CA number customer will have been deleted this year. I know that mine did. It was supposed to have been changed over 2 years ago, but nobody told me (it was an MVS secret). The old number worked up to the end of last year. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:25 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Software on tape I've been asked whether our z/VM systems could convert to using only virtual tape. One of the possible sticking points is vendor software. If necessary, we could keep a couple of manual tape drives around for software installs. I'm trying to determine if it's necessary. Have IBM or any other software vendors made statements of direction for offering alternatives to delivering software on tape? I know that z/VM itself has been available on DVD for the last 3 releases, and CA's VM:Manager products are downloadable. I see that z/VM and products on SDO are now downloadable, too. What about products not on SDO? Is tape the only choice for those? I tried to register for ShopzSeries to see what was actually downloadable, but was told my customer number doesn't exist. Perhaps customer numbers for Resource Link and ShopzSeries are not the same. Dennis O'Brien A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill. -- Robert A. Heinlein
