Re: [IceHorses] Christopher
> I bet you would love to have him back. Then you could ruin him and > push him off on someone else to fix problems you are too inexperienced > and arrogant and ignorant to even TRY and deal with! > but I'm sorry, who IS this person, this monster?! You are WAY out of line. If this is what this list is going to be reduced to I've had enough. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
Re: [IceHorses] shoeing/Master Farrier?
Steph~ Using the term Farrier, All people that I know would think that a person calling themselves a farrier, Shod horses, used shoes, I do not know why anyone who would use the term for a barefoot trimmer. Sally shoes horsesif they can go barefoot she will let the owner know, and take in account the pasture, climate, hoof and sole quality, and many other factors that I even are not aware of. She would prefer a horse to go barefoot, and has studied barefoot trimming. Now a Stausser Trimmer is NOT a FARRIER. They take an oath never to harm a horse, put Shoes of any kind on a horse...it is kind of Cult like. I do know this first hand as Sally has spent 3 days with Sabine Kells, Straussers right hand person, learning the technique, only to really disagree with it. The list of forge work you listed just proves my point, that it is extensive. There is nothing wrong with forge work. What my point is ...Is that Farrier schools generally put a lot of emphasis on Forge work and MFG shoes...rockers, eggbars, clips etc etcI wish they would put a little less emphasis on that and some more on other things, why does that upset you? The Off the shelf KEG shoes have evolved very nicely in the past 20 years...I just think Farrier schools should take that into account and catch up. And yes if you can say there are 10-15 good farriers in your area, consider yourself Lucky. We did not even have that in washington state in our area. Had we had a list of good farrier here, we would be doing something else for money at this point, but right now we are having fun. Storme Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
Re: [IceHorses] Gerill
Ortho-flex. This is the only saddle that I have found that works for my husband. He loves it. Renee
RE: [IceHorses] Sina's Sissy Saddle Pad - don't try this at home!
>>> you need to make one out of Spongebob Squarepants material... that would be cool. Hmm, let me think...I guess Eitill might be sort of a Sponge Bob kind of guy...?!? Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.14/636 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 4:00 AM
Re: [IceHorses] Weather
> we got a generator after the hurricane season from hell. I dont know > what we would do without one! We have a well also. but mainly, all > your food goes bad and you have to go stand in line at the fire > station for cheese sandwiches while a national guardsman stands there > with an assault rifle slung over his shoulder looking at you like > jeez, you look awful lady, and you havent bathed in days and its 110 > degrees anyway. You Floridianswow...talk about a diet plan. Never thought of having my fridge guarded by an armed guard Anyway, they actually guard cheese sandwiches in Florida? Wanda
[IceHorses] Re: Gudmar's Interview
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Virginia Tupper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1/17/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm Icelandic...purebred...though I'm not registered. :) > > > > > LOL! That's funny! > V > Wow!!! These are the most intense messages I have read. All I know is I love my Scooter boy. Just having fun. Lorraine
[IceHorses] Re: Weather
It was 66 degrees today. But really windy. Scooter doen't seem to be bothered by the wind like my MFT. Lorraine Happy Trails Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
Re: [IceHorses] Panting
> Robyn - off to California for a week to see Mandy Don't forget to take your camera :) Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Christopher
I am amazed karen and Cary have made Skoni such an awesome horse now that I know you owned him! No, Janice, as much as I'd like bragging rights for what Skjoni is, we can't take credit. All we've done is let Skjoni be the wonderful horse he just naturally is. He's been wonderful since the day he arrived, just as Christine Schwartz led us to believe he would be. We didn't make Skjoni what he is. God did, and we thank God someone didn't permanently screw him up. I have very little to say to Christopher over his e-mail, except to say he should be happy that he was able to put Skjoni on consignment where he did, and that he should be happy that Christine told us about his "alleged" problems but she also told us that she'd never seen him do the things he was accused of.Christine saw the good Skjoni - the REAL Skjoni, and she didn't let the crazy stories stand in her way of accepting him for what he is...and she in turn told me that she thought he was a great horse. She believed in him when his own owner apparently didn't. Christine also saw that he and Cary would be a match - and she sure nailed that one. Had everyone believed what Christopher said - poor Skjoni... what a waste of a perfect pony that would have been. Thank God that Cary is a "forgive and forget" kind of owner/rider, who never worried about the oddly skewed perception someone once had. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Gerill
Hi ..cute pony. Is that an OrthoFlex or AmerFlex? Raven
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Horse or Pony now Southern Sayins'
>>here's my favorite "well, butter my buns and call them biscuits!" >>have *never* heard that and I'm southern born (half southern bred, the other half is California ;) and redneck raised... must be a texan thang. raven
RE: [IceHorses] High withers/Sensation
You are more than welcome to come try it on my high withered horses. ;) I'd like to see if one might work for all 3 horses! Seriously, I think the Hybrid may be the best Sensation yet, or at least the most versatile. I was afraid the higher pommel might feel confining, but it doesn't. It's quite easy to find a balanced seat in all of the Sensations, and this one is no exception. I can only think of one possible limitation, and it's no problem for either me or Cary: the straight flap might make it hard for someone with long legs to ride with shorter stirrups, if they have a knee or hip issue that makes them need their knee a little forward, or if they need a little bit of a chair seat. But, even Cary needs to sit in a LITTLE bit of a chair seat due to his bad hip, and he's ok with it. So, I think it has all of the features of the dressage model, plus some extra security with the pommel, yet no confined feeling. I think I can be happy in this saddle on the trail, in the ring, and probably even jumping...if I'm ever not working when the weather is decent! I've never met a Sensation I didn't like, but I really like this one best. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] lesson horse
On 1/18/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You've mentioned that several times...that he was "certified" as suitable as > a lesson horse by Gudmar. What does that mean? In what way did he certify > him? When you get insurance as a 'trainer' or 'instructor' it's heavily discouraged that you don't certify horses for a task. If you do, then you're almost uninsurable. Same deal if you charge less than $35 an hour for lessons, they think you're not a good risk. Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] field trials now ground tying
On 1/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No problem here. We actually have part of our trails on a sewer line right > of way. But, the trails don't stink or anything. I promise! Same for my farm. In fact, the sewer right of way goes through my pasture! Those manhole things make some sounds, the big square ones have a pump in them to keep pressure the lines, and they are *really* frightening. And, the tall round ones you can hear the water rushing through them. I love having them out there, though. Makes it simple to get on my horses! Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] lesson horse
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 06:56:26PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: > ...and stjarni was certified as suitable as a lesson horse by gudmar, > who had imported him, trained and retrained him, and sold him three times > over five years. > > You've mentioned that several times...that he was "certified" as suitable as > a lesson horse by Gudmar. What does that mean? In what way did he certify > him? a ninety-day return guarantee if he proved unsuitable. --vicka
[IceHorses] Re: New here also
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "twhgroopie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This mare was origanally bred by Icelandics Fra Slettunni in Iowa. Her > Sire is Kometur fra Field Wood and Dam is Lysa fra Norregaard. > I am familiar with bloodlines of Rocky and Kentucky Mountain horses, > but Icelandics bloodlines are foreign to me. No pun intended. :) > I looked it up on the USIHC horse search, it is interesting, these lines have both been in the US for several decades. I am not familiar with the line on the sire's side at all, that is interesting though, that they have been in the US so long. I think one of mine is somewhat related through the sire of Lysa fra Norregaard, Snaefaxi from Hredavatnskalli, well he is actually related to that stallion on both sides:) I would really think it's too distant to really know, I would guess more traits would come from his parents. Maybe someone else knows more about that. I only recall hearing a couple of things about a couple of stallions and I don't see any of those here, that doesn't mean I do know though. Generally, I would just look at the horse in front of you, have her hocks x-rayed, spend time with her in person, check out her gait, and see if it's a match for you. Kim
RE: [IceHorses] Re: New here also
Now, I doubt I would breed this mare, I just wanted an overall opinion. When looking at the MH breeds, I can hold my own, but I don't know much about this breed. Ok, fair enough. I will warn you though to be very careful about believing some of the stories you'll hear. Personally, I can't tell you of a single bloodline I'd avoid in this breed. I was a little angered once to see someone write that a particular horse was "difficult, as offspring of his sire usually were." I happen to know several offspring of that sire, and they were all wonderful, easy horses. One thing to beware of, and I hate to say it, is that there are a lot of breeders and trainers in this breed who have owned horses for maybe 5-10 years, some less, and virtually all of their experience is with this one breed. That simply doesn't give them a lot of perspective. In the case I mention, I suspect that the so-called "difficult" horses had one thing in common - the same sort of training, and that training wasn't particularly easy or gentle. If you hear something bad about a horse or a line, please do yourself and the horse a favor and double and triple check it. I hate to see anyone walk past a good horse because of hearsay, or from conclusions too hastily drawn. And I really hate seeing a good horse not getting a fair shake in finding himself a good home, just because someone jumped to conclusions. Another couple of things to ask that might be a lot more relevant: who trained the horse, how was he/she trained, and how much attention did the horse get as a young horse. I worry more about young horses in this breed being too harshly started than about their bloodlines. If you'll send me the name of the horse off-list, I'll tell you if I own any close relatives - I own about 20 Icelandics, of different breeding. No guarantees, because any horse I own won't be a clone, but I'll tell you what I can. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.14/636 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 4:00 AM
RE: [IceHorses] Pacing Standardbreds Video
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Looks like a fast pace to me, it looks smooth > too. I also see a soft > intermediate gait in there when they are going > slower. > > I wish the resolution were a little clearer on > YouTube, but I wouldn't be > surprised if that horse has all four-feet off the > ground a few times. I froze the video and I'm sure I saw that too. > but I'm not so sure > where the Icelandic show people get off bragging > about Icelandics being the > only breed to have the gait, when a few other horses > can do it...and do it > under more demanding conditions. Yes, and I don't think all Icelandics really have an extremely fast flying pace either, I remember riding a 5 gaited mare, very natural, she was fat, her pace was smooth, but not really very fast, not like pace race fast, very nice horse though, Snorri's grand-dam:) It was not too easy to get her into trot either. Kim Kim
Re: [IceHorses] High withers/Sensation
On 1/18/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I had a high-withered horse here, I'd try my Hybrid on him. It does look > like it's a little more cut-back that the dressage and trail models - under > the pommel. I think Kaaren Jordan said she's had good luck with it on the > higher-withered horses. You are more than welcome to come try it on my high withered horses. ;) I'd like to see if one might work for all 3 horses! Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] High withers/Sensation
Vride your own horse for the lessons. That way you both learn. Is there any other saddle that will work on that lesson horse? Man...I feel for ya, I know the pain of a ill fitting saddle. Saddles with narrow twist and high rises...leave me raw. Raven
Re: [IceHorses] Christopher
practically every point you made in your post has made me livid. Your arrogance and ignorance is mindboggling. I would say possibly 99% of icelandic horses bred in america are from the finest bloodlines. How could they NOT be, the gene pool is so small! you say re Skoni: "because we certainly lost money on him was as brand new horse owners we did not have the knowledge or expertise to deal with his trust issues.. It was so bad, at the end, that one breeder on this forum said that he should be euthanized. I would not let that happen because he was such a wonder horse not under saddle..That is why you paid so little for him For the record I would love to have him back" I bet you would love to have him back. Then you could ruin him and push him off on someone else to fix problems you are too inexperienced and arrogant and ignorant to even TRY and deal with! This statement you posted is beyond insulting: "Now the reason why the price of Icelandic horses are dropping is because of the indiscriminate breeding that is happening in North America. Anyone with a Mare and a Stallion think they are breeders. regardless of the quality of their bloodlines or confirmation of the breeding stock..Most horses that are breed in North America would be eaten in Iceland You may find that thought distasteful (no pun intended) but that is why this breed of horses is so special. Yet in less than one generation North Americans have destroyed the quality of this wonderful breed." prices have dropped because WE dont have to tag on the import and hauling fees as numbers increase domestically. It has taken icelanders 1100 years to finally arrive at the point it has only taken gaited horses in America 100 years to arrive at, where you manipulate gait through devices and monstrous riding techniques instead of working on improving natural gait and breeding for that. i doubt you even know what excellent gaited conformation is! if you did you wouldnt have sold a horse like Skoni at a bargain rate. If karen even considered selling Skoni to you even for a million bucks I would never speak to her again. So you think icelandic horses are so special because the bad ones are eaten... bad walking horses have plastic bags put over their heads til they suffocate and die. but I guess they are inferior as breeders to the icelandic sitting at his dinner table gnawing on a pastern. Disreputable breeders and show people happen in every breed and I disdain them as you should and would if you cared at all about horses. I know Judy, take a deep breath. but I'm sorry, who IS this person, this monster?! He makes me ashamed to be associated with the breed. he makes me want to have my horses withdrawn from the registry. If people like him are friends with Gudmar, then that right there is reason enough for me to lose all respect for gudmar. If Gudmar thinks this man knows anything about horses then Gudmar is an idiot. I am amazed karen and Cary have made Skoni such an awesome horse now that I know you owned him! Janice
RE: [IceHorses] lesson horse
...and stjarni was certified as suitable as a lesson horse by gudmar, who had imported him, trained and retrained him, and sold him three times over five years. You've mentioned that several times...that he was "certified" as suitable as a lesson horse by Gudmar. What does that mean? In what way did he certify him? I would never expect a seller to take responsibility for a horse's suitability as a lesson horse, in a kind of riding program he's not familiar with, or for any pursuit he's not familiar with. The owner should determine that sort of thing, after she/he has had time to get to know the horse. That Gudmar is 26 years old, and grew up in another country, in a dramatically different horse culture doesn't help. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.14/636 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 4:00 AM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] Re: New here also
> Welcome Joanne! Good luck on your purchase. > > I always look at the particular horse first, and only look at pedigrees and > bloodlines when I'm pretty sure I'm interested in the horse for what he/she > is. Through emails and pics, I have already decided that I am very interested in this horse. She sounds like just what I am looking for. I guess I was thinking of how in other breeds certain bloodlines are known to carry bad traits or some would be better for breeding purposes. Now, I doubt I would breed this mare, I just wanted an overall opinion. When looking at the MH breeds, I can hold my own, but I don't know much about this breed. I am learning though! Thanks again, Joanne
Re: [IceHorses] Imported or Domestic
> when angry do you do the butt push? > Janice naus Canadians don't get angry. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] lesson horse
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: > She is happiest when she is surrounded by children learning about how > to put on a halter or pick out her feet. She is happiest when she has a > timid rider on her back. She is happiest when she is giving a lesson in > either a round pen or arena. > [...] > But to move a > horse to a new location and have 15-20 people immediately start > walk/trot/canter lessons (on a multi-gaited horse), bouncing around in the > saddle as they learn their "up-down" lessons, while older students try to > canter, when the riders and even the instructor aren't familiar with the > horse's cues, his gaits...? That's another matter altogether. ...which hasn't happened. stop making stuff up. stjarni was used primarily for beginners, at a walk. we used other horses for the "up-down" stuff; horses who could reliably maintain a trot. > You are picking this life for Osp after you've had her for years, after > she's been essentially a one-person horse, right? You are making this > decision based on what you have learned about her personality over several > years...? And you know her well by now...? You know her gaits, their cues, > and her idiosyncrasies? Are you giving the lessons yourself, or are you > letting someone who doesn't know her at all give the lessons when you aren't > there to watch? These are all important variables that determine how > successful a horse can be as a lesson horse. ...and stjarni was certified as suitable as a lesson horse by gudmar, who had imported him, trained and retrained him, and sold him three times over five years. nobody taught with him except me and my own trainer. --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] New here also
>>> I posted before about looking at my first Icelandic and needing help. I thought I would properly introduce myself. I am Joanne and I live in NJ. Right now I have 4 horses (all gaited but not Icelandic). I have learned a bit on here already and hope to learn more. Does anyone have any good websites for learning about this breed and maybe some bloodlines? Thanks in advance! Welcome Joanne! Good luck on your purchase. I always look at the particular horse first, and only look at pedigrees and bloodlines when I'm pretty sure I'm interested in the horse for what he/she is. I know a lot of people buy only on bloodlines, but I think that's pretty risky, and even a little silly. Just thing about human "pedigrees". Just think about some siblings you know that don't seem anything at all alike. When people start bragging about bloodlines, I always remind them to think about Jimmy and Billy Carter, or Roger and Bill Clinton... And Abe Lincoln sure came from humble beginnings! :) Welcome again! Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.14/636 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 4:00 AM
RE: [IceHorses] Pacing Standardbreds Video
>>> Looks like a fast pace to me, it looks smooth too. I also see a soft intermediate gait in there when they are going slower. I wish the resolution were a little clearer on YouTube, but I wouldn't be surprised if that horse has all four-feet off the ground a few times. One thing I thought about - that horse sure can fly around the track at that flying-pace/pacey-rack-whatever it is. When Icelandics pace-race, they always do it on a very short straightaway. Do you remember that video of Rowdy Falcon? At one point, he was weaving in and out of trees, still flying. I'm not personally familiar with the stresses that speed-racking/flying pace puts on a horse's joints - I expect it's nothing to be sneezed at. Maybe it's hard on them to do it on turns and around corners. But, it strikes me that a horse that can do it on turns and corners has a stronger gait than one who can only do it on a straightway. I still don't plan to encourage my horses to fly-pace, but I'm not so sure where the Icelandic show people get off bragging about Icelandics being the only breed to have the gait, when a few other horses can do it...and do it under more demanding conditions. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.14/636 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 4:00 AM
RE: [IceHorses] High withers/Sensation
>>> The minute I sat in the saddle she crouched and kept trying to scoot away from under it--so I immediately dismounted. If I had a high-withered horse here, I'd try my Hybrid on him. It does look like it's a little more cut-back that the dressage and trail models - under the pommel. I think Kaaren Jordan said she's had good luck with it on the higher-withered horses. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.14/636 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 4:00 AM
Re: [IceHorses] Weather
>I bet the Icies were loving it - It's sleeting and nasty here but Doppa loves >it >Laree Our Paso is making a miserable face, although she's not cold, she hates sliding around in the mud, but the three Icies and Fjord are loving it. Baby Roka gets so rambunctious she gallops tight circles around the Belgians! Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Weather
> What do you do if you're out for several days? Our neighbors said the > ice storm here last year caused an outage for 6 days. Our well is > electric too so we're thinking of a generator. > > Trish We have learned to fill water containers when we hear bad weather is on the way - remember when there is no water there are no flushing toilets either. One farm I know puts barrels at the corners of their buildings and collects water off the roofs as it melts. If you get a generator be sure to get one big enough to run your well if that's the biggest concern. Our neighbors got one - didn't test it and when they needed it it wouldn't run the pump. I think power outages are just a fact of life in the country in the Southeast Laree
RE: [IceHorses] Weather
What do you do if you're out for several days? Our neighbors said the ice storm here last year caused an outage for 6 days. Our well is electric too so we're thinking of a generator. We have 100-gallon tanks in each of the pastures - 6-7 total I think. That is enough to hold them for maybe 2 days. And we do have two generators - one is a small one that I can crank myself, and the other is bigger and can provide 220 VAC for the well. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.14/636 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 4:00 AM
[IceHorses] weather
We also have a well. It does not happen often but we have had the electricity off for a week. We bought a generator so the horses could have water. Renee
Re: [IceHorses] 'people playing horse' was Parelli/training
On 1/18/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I kept rubbing it and laughing and > saying i was sorry and he turned and licked and chewed like 'well ok > but it better not happen again" i swear i am not imagining it :) What a sweetheart! V
Re: [IceHorses] High withers/Sensation
On 1/18/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you cant get another lesson horse?? I do need my own saddle and so I wrote about the problem to Melissa again (I'll drive her nuts) and she sent me information about padding. This is what she sent about the Sensation Burr pad--I'm going to ask about those pockets--maybe I can add something for high withers: Sensation Burr Pad: Designed specifically for the Sensation, the Burr pad is the only type of burr you want under your saddle! The Burr features a combination of wool melton, hospital felt, and 3M nomad material to create the ultimate in firm support. This saddle pad weighs about 7 lbs, and is contoured, very supportive, breathable, and non-slip. It is a two part pad with a base and removable liner (for easy washing) and pockets for foam changes or inserts. The Burr is designed to live up to all expectations for a heavier rider or a hard working horse. V
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait - Kopar (again)
On 1/18/07, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i cant find the pics again :) > Janice-- > > Here they are! I've added a few extra... > > Trish > > oh ok, I see. The first one is sorta saddleracky and one toward the end is sorta trotty maybe? I dont see a hard pace or a hard trot tho! pics like these are good for judy to draw lines on and look at pickups and setdowns tho... Janice yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Christopher / Horse, Pony?
> Since I am on my soapbox. They are called Icelandic HORSES only > because they are horses not ponies.. <<< > > Hi Christopher, could you explain how you come to the conclusion that the > Icelandics are horses and not ponies? How do you, as an individual, > define > or separately categorize horses and ponies? Let's look at this logically. >>>Only in America is a pony defined by height and not ability A "pony" is defined by height in the show world. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with pony characteristics. My 14 hand TWH will never be a "pony", and my 14.3 hand Icelandic will never be a "horse". Pony is not defined by "ability". There are certain pony characteristics that make ponies ponies. http://iceryder.net/pony.html See the information about the ancestors (ponies) of Icelandics: [] http://iceryder.net/ancestors.html [] http://iceryder.net/origin.html [] http://iceryder.net/historyshort.html >>The Icelandic horse is the only horse that is 12 to 14 HH and can carry a >>250lb man (or Woman) for hours unaffected That would kill most >>ponies... << I'm not sure that's true, on two accounts. Many pony breeds can carry adults. Whether they can carry 250 lbs for hours being unaffected, we don't know that as there have been no studies proving it. Icelandics have high incidence of spavin... maybe they are hurting by carrying large riders. What about the Fjord Pony, being stouter than an Icelandic, and with a back that does not sag as much with a rider? Can the Fjord Pony carry more weight with less negative impact than an Icelandic? >>The rest of the world calls them horses why do Americans have such a >>problem with this. I don't think that's really true. The rest of the world seems to understand they are ponies and call them as such. In Europe, they don't seem to have a problem calling them a pony: http://www.island-pony.com/ http://www.amazon.de/Keine-Angst-Islandpony-Krista-Ruepp/dp/3314014023 http://www.research-projects.unizh.ch/p3439.htm http://www.norway.com/directories/d_company.asp?id=6075 http://www.pferdeecke.de/wissen/rassen/island-pony.html http://www.kindernetz.de/oli/tierlexikon/pics/druckversion.php?tid=38&reiter=steckbrief http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isl%C3%A4nder_(Pferd) http://www.pferde.de/index.php?id=646 http://www.tiere-rassen.de/pferde/pony/island-pony/ http://www.pferde-wissen.net/island-pony.html http://www.islandpony.ch/ http://www.world-of-animals.de/tierlexikon/tierart_Islandpony.html http://www.reitenonline.de/pferdewebverzeichnis/reitsportwebverzeichnis_registrieren.php http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Journals/Journal/450483 Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] ground tying
On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that's one of the nice things about training them to ear-hanging rather > than touching the actual ground -- you can actually stick the ends under > the crownpiece to make sure they *stay* up :) I'll have to try that! Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Pacing Standardbreds Video
On 1/18/07, Kim Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Pacing (FAST) Standardbreds > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBtqqWWKR8E > > > > Looks like a fast pace to me, it looks smooth too. I > also see a soft intermediate gait in there when they > are going slower. > > Kim > they are speed racking. Someone on here said recently that this isnt a smooth gait. theres no way you could sit a horse at that speed if it was nt smooth... sheesh. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Travel and New Horse
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 05:38:26AM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote: > > individual mileage may vary. this is what happened to stjarni. > > > > picture of hailo and stjarni on stjarni's day of arrival attached. > > Looks VERY peaceful. This is not the picture I had in my mind after > your first description of his introduction to the herd. > > My apologies. thanks! it was indeed peaceful. i followed them around for a few hours, just enjoying watching them and taking pictures. in retrospect i think it was especially good for hailo, who never really did have any other horse friends in the time we had him. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] High withers/Sensation
you cant get another lesson horse?? I think you need to ride your own saddle for lessons! My Jaspar with the shark fin withers as you say :O he did ok with the sensation! But he is stoic and wont let on and I did not take him on a long ride in it. By the time he starts showing me there is a problem it is too late so I am afraid to risk it! not on a long long ride like 3 hours. I just noticed I couldnt fit my fingers in under the pommel so I knew it was pressing right on his withers. I think if I had a cut back saddlepad he would be ok, so I am gonna look for one of those cheap wool felt ones at jeffers that is cutback and then take him on an hour ride and see how it works for him. but he is so used to lousy saddlefit bless his heart I guess he just thinks theres no other way. and accepts the pain. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Beowulf and Grendel
http://www.marisasano.ca/?p=161 Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Weather
On 1/18/07, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Karen Thomas wrote: > > But I hate it when we lose power. We have a well, so no power equals no > > water. Twenty-five horses drink a lot of water. We have big muck buckets > > full of water in the bathtubs, just in case. > What do you do if you're out for several days? Our neighbors said the > ice storm here last year caused an outage for 6 days. Our well is > electric too so we're thinking of a generator. > > Trish > > we got a generator after the hurricane season from hell. I dont know what we would do without one! We have a well also. but mainly, all your food goes bad and you have to go stand in line at the fire station for cheese sandwiches while a national guardsman stands there with an assault rifle slung over his shoulder looking at you like jeez, you look awful lady, and you havent bathed in days and its 110 degrees anyway. You need a generator. I researched them in depth and the only difference between the real expensive nice ones and the lesser expensive nice ones are 1. electric start and 2. loudness. we got a pull start loud one but got an extension cord long enough so it doesnt have to be right outside the door running. all we plug into it is the fridge, well, and air conditioning so as to not overload it. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] 'people playing horse' was Parelli/training
On 1/18/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/18/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But anyway, if he makes a sudden move and I accidentally > > spur him, he knows its an accident! is that weird or what!! Also, if > > he has a yellow fly between his ears I can smack it HARD with a crop > > and he doesnt even blink. > > He KNOWS you Janice!! > V > one time I was trimming his underarm hair in winter so the girth wouldnt pull and I nipped him with scissors. he JUMPED and craned his neck around looking at me i swear like you BIT me! like he was just amazed haha. that was so funny. I kept rubbing it and laughing and saying i was sorry and he turned and licked and chewed like 'well ok but it better not happen again" i swear i am not imagining it :) he is so funny when he does that. I can just see it so clearly when he pouts! janice-- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Re: Panting
> > My husband read an article about Iclandics panting. Has anyone > > experienced that? I think the horse was too hot. > > > > > could you steer us to where we might read the article or at least sort > of give us the gist of it? Hi Janice, It is on the Icelandic Horse Connection,Endurance and the Iclandic Horse...http://endurance.iceryder.net There is an 18 page story on endurance. Lorraine
Re: [IceHorses] ground tying
On 1/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about using some of the body language from the yo-yo game to get > her started? I'm not that far along yet--just starting the Friendly game! Slow but sure... V
[IceHorses] Re: whoo hooo
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Janice McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hey! it might snow! i am excited. > Janice > > -- > yipie tie yie yo > It is 40 degrees in AZ today. It is supposed to be warm here. Lorraine
[IceHorses] Re: New here also
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "stroppelj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > give us the pedigree of our Icie and then I can maybe give you some > info about her/his bloodlines This mare was origanally bred by Icelandics Fra Slettunni in Iowa. Her Sire is Kometur fra Field Wood and Dam is Lysa fra Norregaard. I am familiar with bloodlines of Rocky and Kentucky Mountain horses, but Icelandics bloodlines are foreign to me. No pun intended. :) Joanne
[IceHorses] ortho flex saddle
Yes, Gerill has an ortho-flex endurance cutback short model on in the picture. You guys probably remember all of the trouble I have had with saddle fit. This saddle has been working well for my husband and this horse. Gerill is very thin for an Icelandic. I actually have to feed him a lot to keep his weight up. The saddle does not work as well for my other horses (Icelandics). I works well on my TWH. I hope to have the ortho-flex person at equine affaire in Ohio look at my other Icelandics and see if they can make a saddle to fit the wider ones better. Renee Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: [IceHorses] Weather
On 1/18/07, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What do you do if you're out for several days? Our neighbors said the > ice storm here last year caused an outage for 6 days. Our well is > electric too so we're thinking of a generator. At our house we're on city water and all gas, so we survived well in the last ice storm. We do have 2 generators, though. One is a small, I think 1000Watt we got for me to camp with (it's enough to blow up the air matress and make coffee, I'm pretty low maintenance with everying else!) the other is large enough to run even the AC unit, the power saws, and other power equipment. Thankfully, it sits in storage and we've never used it. My trainers 2 years ago had a complete solar backup with generator and battery bank. After the ice storm several years ago that hit the area so hard (was it 2 or 3 years ago Karen?) he decided that he'd never go through something like that without power. At the time he was boarding 12 horses and had to take muck tubs to the fire department in town and fill them up to water the horses. He said his system cost about $12,000, but it ran the entire house, barn, arena lights, etc.. Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Weather
Karen Thomas wrote: > But I hate it when we lose power. We have a well, so no power equals no > water. Twenty-five horses drink a lot of water. We have big muck buckets > full of water in the bathtubs, just in case. What do you do if you're out for several days? Our neighbors said the ice storm here last year caused an outage for 6 days. Our well is electric too so we're thinking of a generator. Trish
Re: [IceHorses] 'people playing horse' was Parelli/training
On 1/18/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But anyway, if he makes a sudden move and I accidentally > spur him, he knows its an accident! is that weird or what!! Also, if > he has a yellow fly between his ears I can smack it HARD with a crop > and he doesnt even blink. He KNOWS you Janice!! V
[IceHorses] High withers/Sensation
Just to let you all know--my lesson horse today could not bear the Sensation. The minute I sat in the saddle she crouched and kept trying to scoot away from under it--so I immediately dismounted. There's not enough clearance/support for her withers with my skito and the foam. I don't know if there's a saddle pad out there that would be better (Saddleright?) but I know I won't be using my Sensation on her again. So, I went back to the school saddle which is so uncomfortable and rubs me wrong in all the places--my lesson from that point on became a passenger lesson because I was so tense. My instructor says he thinks that my riding abilities have regressed at least 6 months! What a downer. Sheesh. V
Re: [IceHorses] Pacing Standardbreds Video
--- Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pacing (FAST) Standardbreds > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBtqqWWKR8E > Looks like a fast pace to me, it looks smooth too. I also see a soft intermediate gait in there when they are going slower. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Weather
On 1/18/07, Cherie Mascis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We were 16 degrees F yesterday morning! Cherie I bet the Icies were loving it - It's sleeting and nasty here but Doppa loves it Laree
Re: [IceHorses] Travel and New Horse
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > it is very bad to not quarantine, but no one is more > guilty of that > than me! I think it is just good horse managment to quarentine them for a little bit, I've let them touch sooner too, but it always worries me, all you need is for something bad to happen one time. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Travel and New Horse
Janice McDonald wrote: > In my limited experience I have been very very surprised how icelandics seem > to not want to cause trouble when put in a new situation. they will fight > back when attacked, and have little aggravated skirmishes, but I can put > Tivar and Nasi in with anybody and they mind their own business. I have found this to be true as well. Starri has shared a pen with a mare and then a gelding in CA. He shared a stall with another Icelandic on his trip over here and they only had 1/2 hour of meeting time beforehand. They basically ignored each other. Now he is with another gelding and they get along well too. Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Weather
We were 16 degrees F yesterday morning! Cherie
[IceHorses] Re: New here also
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "twhgroopie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I posted before about looking at my first Icelandic and needing help. I > thought I would properly introduce myself. I am Joanne and I live in > NJ. Right now I have 4 horses (all gaited but not Icelandic). I have > learned a bit on here already and hope to learn more. Does anyone have > any good websites for learning about this breed and maybe some > bloodlines? Thanks in advance! give us the pedigree of our Icie and then I can maybe give you some info about her/his bloodlines Jasmin
Re: [IceHorses] Gerill
On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just to be fair to Gerill I thought I would send one picture of him from > this weekend also. I can't believe it took so long for the post to come > through. I sent the original post on Sunday. HE HAS A NICE CLIP. hOW IS THAT SADLE WORKING OUT FOR YOU? iTS AN ORTHOFLEX RIGHT? iS IT Wide tree (i did not mean to hit caps) and what sys panels does it have? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Weather
On 1/18/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 6:40 am on Thursday, it's 29 degrees F, and raining with some snow mixed > in. The high is only predicted to be about 32, although one forecast says > 35. It was in the 70's this past weekend.There's ice on the deck and > grass, but so far the roads are basically ok. Ice is accumulating on the > trees...and on the power lines. that sounds so exciting Karen! Maybe you wont lose power! take pics of ice FOR US! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait - Kopar
On 1/18/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > T but as a breeder, I think it's very > important that I understand the difference. I certainly don't want to be > breeding pacey horses to pacey horses. I shiver to think about what > happened to the TWH breed in just a few generations by doing that. (I love > a saddle rack though.) > > Karen > Karen Thomas > and to me, the breeding aspect is very interesting. But to arrive at any sound conclusions you would have to do studies over years and years! But I have always been interested in this gait thing, whether it is nature or nurture. or both. I have had many conversations with the old man who bred jaspar, Fox and Gallant Boy. he has been a breeder over fifty years with a distinct, calculated and well thought out breeding plan and goal. He said Gallant Boy and the same mare can have pacey offspring or racking offspring, but that Fox's sire has only had one or two out of probably close to a hundred that didn't "walk". So what does that tell you? its iffy genetically, but not only that, gait is influenced by so many environmental factors, not just wiring. Like color too, he said Fox's sire would throw spots 100% of the time if bred to ANY spotted mare. And he wasnt spotted. His brother is tho. Jaspar is so pacey so I looked at GB to see if he is the culprit. He did a saddlerack in the field the other day, I'm sure of it. and I looked his production record up online and he had offspring shown in flatshod classes and they won ribbons, so they must have been smooth gaited. If you look at his frame, he looks built exactly like jaspar, but jaspar does not have those long back legs. GB's back legs are so long they look almost freaky. And his neck comes out of his chest higher than jas. I would love to know what gaits GB did when under saddle as a youngster. But there was a three year old at the barn the day I brought GB home that was sired by GB and he had what the old man called a "show quality rack". I asked the son what that meant and the son said "why on earth he insists that horse needs to be sold to a show home I will never know. Its just a waste of a good horse. He walks perfect without those weighted shoes but he insists..." So I wonder if he saddle racks? anyway, its fun to think about. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] New here also
I posted before about looking at my first Icelandic and needing help. I thought I would properly introduce myself. I am Joanne and I live in NJ. Right now I have 4 horses (all gaited but not Icelandic). I have learned a bit on here already and hope to learn more. Does anyone have any good websites for learning about this breed and maybe some bloodlines? Thanks in advance!
RE: [IceHorses] Panting
Hi Janice, >Reason i am interested, the lady I bought nasi from told me that and I >never thought it was bad that he panted. It is not unusual and I think the better shape he is in that will lessen, but IME just give him a break if he needs it. We found that climbing hills the Icelandics will just stop to catch their breath sometimes. Robyn - off to California for a week to see Mandy Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] Re: New Here
> Hello, I'm new here. I'm a junior member and don't have any icelandics > but I am very passionate about the breed and natural horsemanship. You > all seem to get in alot of arguments here, I hope I don't end up in > one. ;) Just saying hi. :) Welcome to the group. I feel that sometimes I have gotten picked on my I love this group. I have learned so much and met new people. I bought my first Icelandic about 4 months ago. I always had Arabs. Lorraine
RE: [IceHorses] field trials now ground tying
And, mounting from those sewer line manhole things. We have some that are at least 3' tall that I can step onto Shogun. Most horses are frightened of them and it always suprises people that he'll sidepass right up to one for me to mount. He *has* to do something, since I'm little and he's so big for me to get on! No problem here. We actually have part of our trails on a sewer line right of way. But, the trails don't stink or anything. I promise! Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Imported or Domestic
> > But are you imported or domestic bred?HA! Raven ~:0] > > Domestic. > > I think I'm developing spavin and winter eczema though. when angry do you do the butt push? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Imported or Domestic
I'm Icelandic...purebred...though I'm not registered. :) >>But are you imported or domestic bred?HA! Raven ~:0] I think she's one of those inferior "domestic breds". ;) Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM
[IceHorses] Weather
At 6:40 am on Thursday, it's 29 degrees F, and raining with some snow mixed in. The high is only predicted to be about 32, although one forecast says 35. It was in the 70's this past weekend.There's ice on the deck and grass, but so far the roads are basically ok. Ice is accumulating on the trees...and on the power lines. I don't mind a little snow and ice - not TOO bad. But I hate it when we lose power. We have a well, so no power equals no water. Twenty-five horses drink a lot of water. We have big muck buckets full of water in the bathtubs, just in case. I put the time and date on this, since yahoo has been sending mail so sporadically. It might be April before this mail gets through! Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.14/636 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 4:00 AM
Re: [IceHorses] Sina's Sissy Saddle Pad - don't try this at home!
you need to make one out of Spongebob Squarepants material... that would be cool. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Travel and New Horse
it is very bad to not quarantine, but no one is more guilty of that than me! I brought a horse incubating rabies home and put it right in with all my horses cause I couldnt bear the thought of him feeling alone... then with Tivar, I thought, well, no way does he have anything after living with karen, and again, i just hated him being alone so I quarantined him like half a nite then in morning put him in with nasi. In my limited experience I have been very very surprised how icelandics seem to not want to cause trouble when put in a new situation. they will fight back when attacked, and have little aggravated skirmishes, but I can put Tivar and Nasi in with anybody and they mind their own business. In fact. of all my horses they are the only ones i could put in with Gallant Boy or Curly Ray without worrying they will hurt GB cause he is old and fragile, or hurt Curls cause he is so small and likes to pick fights. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] 'people playing horse' was Parelli/training
> > And yet horses are supposed to know when we really mean a signal and when > > it is a mistake. > > And it amazes me that horses can be so forgiving. I use spurs with jaspar cause he will snatch weeds to eat and want to slow and stop on the trail. I use those ones with the round ball on the end. But anyway, if he makes a sudden move and I accidentally spur him, he knows its an accident! is that weird or what!! Also, if he has a yellow fly between his ears I can smack it HARD with a crop and he doesnt even blink. But if he snatches a bite and I give him a little whack on the withers he will put his ears back a little acting bratty :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Imported or Domestic
I think I'm developing spavin and winter eczema though. Winter eczema? Wow, you must have some hardy gnats! :) Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.14/636 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 4:00 AM
[IceHorses] Re: balance rein
> I don't think that horses `plan' to buck, rear or whatever, but it is their > response to particular situations and it is dangerous and scary, especially > if it becomes a default.. What is a balance rein? Lorraine
RE: [IceHorses] What Gait - Kopar
Thanks so much, Karen! I have not received your first post yet...probably will arrive on Saturday ;-) . I found Lee's book last night and now that I have an idea where to look FYI, just as a caveat, I mostly make my calls from my experience, plus what I remember from Lee's book. Thus I don't claim to know more than Lee did, not by a mile! And always remember that there are minute phases in between the sketches she provided in her book, and rarely does my camera cooperate to catch the precise phase of her sketches! Do you have the movie mode on your digital camera? I REALLY love using QuickTime to go through the gaits, frame by frame. That catches so much more than the stills do. You lose a lot of the resolution when you post them on YouTube, but you can enjoy full benefits on your own PC. I've caught a few cases where my eye told me either step pace or saddle-rack, but the frame-by-frame told me another story. This is really helping train my eye, I think. That level of detail may not be so interesting to most trail riders, but as a breeder, I think it's very important that I understand the difference. I certainly don't want to be breeding pacey horses to pacey horses. I shiver to think about what happened to the TWH breed in just a few generations by doing that. (I love a saddle rack though.) Karen Karen Thomas
Re: [IceHorses] Video clips
my best horse is my crappiest gaited! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Sina's Sissy Saddle Pad - don't try this at home!
What kind of fabric did you make the top out of? It's a tapestry-like fabric that I got at a remnant/salvage store. I have no idea what brand of fabric, where it was made, whatever. I bought the only piece they had. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Centered Riding at Holar
>> http://www.anatomyinmotion.com/fschedule.htm wow! <;0] good for them! raven
Re: [IceHorses] Horse or Pony
On 1/18/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > She is crazier than an outhouse rat > > Oh...we have a similar version up herebut it's a bit nastier :) > > Wanda > so do we but i cleaned it up cause judy said we have schoolkids reading the list now :) janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Panting
> When I first got involved with Icelandics I was told by numerous people, > including Dr. Isenbugel who was the head vet at the Zurich Zoo and one of > the first to have Icelandics in Switzerland, that Icelandics would pant when > they were hot and so their respiration would be inverted. At that time, > inverted respiration was considered a big problem. > > I am pretty sure that John Parke has said not true but that is what we > were told. The belief was that Icelandic had narrower windpipes to warm the > air going into their lungs. Now I really don't know what is true because it > is no colder in Iceland than in lots of places in the world. Didn't we hear > that about Fjords or something? > > I have experienced panting in Icelandics but their recovery was fast but > it was mostly in context of heat – especially if they were hairy. Reason i am interested, the lady I bought nasi from told me that and I never thought it was bad that he panted. But now I have Tivar and I am riding an icelandic and the first time I rode him I was alarmed by his panting and immediately bought some heavy duty clippers so he won't be overheated. But last time I rode him he panted some and he is clipped and we did not ride hard or for a long time, so now I think he is just outa condition or he is just having to adjust to this climate. I am in florida but in north fla close to alabama and it gets really cold here but lately has been unusually warm. Now I notice he is shedding!! No mistake! So I think his body thinks it is spring because he came here and since I know horses shed according to light not temperature, conditions must be such that it triggered him physically to think it is spring. I wish someone could find out for sure about the panting! Thats why I was hoping the person who posted would tell us where she read that so I could look it up. Janice > -- > yipie tie yie yo > "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Series of gait pics - Tifa
On 1/18/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 17/01/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > trot, rw. Trot in forst pic, and then rw i think! > > Janice-- > > yipie tie yie yo > > Forrest pic? Darnnow I don't have that picture in my mind. > > Wanda > i have a bandag4ed fingert and it is hard to type :) (thats how it looks before i go back and edit no kiddin!) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] ground tying
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 09:44:56PM -0500, Stephanie Caldwell wrote: > On 1/17/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It IS a good idea isn't it? I should try that with my guysI have > > a phobia about having my reins touch the ground at all. > > Me too... I developed mine when I discovered that replacing my reins > would be almost $200. I found them on a $10 table at a tack yard sale. > ;) I was careful before, but now I rarely leave the reins unattended > on the horse. that's one of the nice things about training them to ear-hanging rather than touching the actual ground -- you can actually stick the ends under the crownpiece to make sure they *stay* up :) --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] bucking
When people dont work thru issues and sell their problems to other people, then the horse suffers, ends up at auction and sold to people who will want to beat some sense into him etc. I aint letting that happen to my Walls! Good for you! Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM
RE: [IceHorses] ground tying
Most horses from Iceland are taught to ‘ground tie’ by putting a rein over one ear. It is quite handy and actually safer than leaving the reins hanging on the ground. And we should probably point out that if you are going to ground tie in the traditional way, you should at least use split reins, not a single loop reins. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] What Gait - Starri
one of the few gaits I can really recognize is a trot, so i must have thought the legs were on the - I must be the master of the optical illusion. I seem capable of finding them where no one else can. It's especially hard on a dark horse. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.14/636 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 4:00 AM
[IceHorses] Pacing Standardbreds Video
Pacing (FAST) Standardbreds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBtqqWWKR8E Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chick, the Mini Barn Goddess Western WI, USA, Planet Earth
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait - Starri
On 1/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So is a step pace a type of rack? Janice thought the first pic might > be a type of rack. > > No, here's the progression: pace, step pace, rack/saddle rack, running walk, > foxtrot, trot. So looking at it that way, step pace and rack might be > called "adjacent" gaits, both with some lateral influence. There are some > "moments in time" that can be sort of a grey area. > when *I* look at pics for gait evaluation, I have my own way of figuring it out that makes little sense and I am often wrong... but what I have figured out is if it looks a lot like a weird pace, a pace almost but not, it is probably a saddle rack. I can usually tell a hard pace cause it is just so obvious, the legs on each side in perfect unison. I can usually tell a trot cause the legs on one side form a Vee but sometimes if the pic is shady its hard to tell. I can tell a foxtrot tho! usually. Because to me it looks like the front is striding and the back is trotting. I am not in advanced "what gait" category yet because so much of it has to do with what feet are on and off the ground and all! But in the rw, someone tell me if I am wrong or I will have to look it up in lee's book... in a RW one front leg is straight up and down, right? In a moving film I can tell a RW because of the head nod. usually. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Gat and Alex
On 1/17/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/15/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It looks to me like Gat and Alex are getting to be a great team. That > > didn't happen overnight, though, did it? > > Their relationship grew over the past year--Gat trusts Alex and Alex > trusts Gat. I love watching them together. I want that bond with a > horse--maybe it will come with Orri, we'll see. > V > i think the bond comes while working thru issues. It does with me. and the best bond is when the horse feels he has permission to think for himself and be trusted to make the right decision while the person feels like she can trust him to not kill her that day. when you have that, it is more prescious than gold, than gait, than anything! it is what all horse people seek and dream of. Janice Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] ground tying
I'm going to try that. When I walk away from Gat, she follows me though--so maybe if I walk away backwards? V I haven't really tried ground tying any of my icelandics, but my QH would do it. How about using some of the body language from the yo-yo game to get her started? Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Sina's Sissy Saddle Pad - don't try this at home!
She's going to feel even more like a Princess in that classy pad! Cherie I think since she had a baby she's promoted herself to Queen...besides, Brenna is a princess so Sina has to out do her. :) Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait - Kopar
On 1/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These pics might be too far away to see very well...will try to get > closer ones if that would help. > > > I think I responded earlier, but in all of these pictures, I believe that > Kopar is saddle-rack-y. The last one (#9), MIGHT be slightly toward step > pace, but all definitely show a soft gait, slightly lateral. (I think!) i cant find the pics again :) Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait - Kopar
Karen Thomas wrote: > I think I responded earlier, but in all of these pictures, I believe that > Kopar is saddle-rack-y. The last one (#9), MIGHT be slightly toward step > pace, but all definitely show a soft gait, slightly lateral. (I think!) Thanks so much, Karen! I have not received your first post yet...probably will arrive on Saturday ;-) . I found Lee's book last night and now that I have an idea where to look Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Series of gait pics - Tifa
On 17/01/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > trot, rw. Trot in forst pic, and then rw i think! > Janice-- > yipie tie yie yo Forrest pic? Darnnow I don't have that picture in my mind. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Horse or Pony
> She is crazier than an outhouse rat Oh...we have a similar version up herebut it's a bit nastier :) Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Travel and New Horse
> individual mileage may vary. this is what happened to stjarni. > > picture of hailo and stjarni on stjarni's day of arrival attached. Looks VERY peaceful. This is not the picture I had in my mind after your first description of his introduction to the herd. My apologies. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Imported or Domestic
On 17/01/07, Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>I'm Icelandic...purebred...though I'm not registered. :) > > But are you imported or domestic bred?HA! Raven ~:0] Domestic. I think I'm developing spavin and winter eczema though. Wanda
