Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
if we want to support the breed, i think we should focus on education and supporting methods of training That's exactly what we're doing! :-) Yeay! This list has made a very positive impact within the breed, and has been very helpful to many people. Thanks to everyone on the list! We may not always agree on every little thing, but we are all headed in the same direction (some kicking and screaming all the way :-)), and it's for the benefit and good of the horse. as caring horse people shouldn't we strive to make a > positive change for all icelandic horses? Yes, good point! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re: FOR SALE- NEW Bares Size 0
hi...i'm asking for your patience. i just found out that the boots "might" work from me if i replace the current buckles with the new easy up buckles. i am going to order a set of new buckles. if the new buckles do not help me...i will contact the folks who replied to my email. sorry...i didn't know about these buckles!!!thanks for understanding!! raven
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stella
On 3/7/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looks fairly 'trotty' but not clean...so I'd say fox trot. > > Since several of you have said that looks trotty, I have to tell you - you > need to get away from gaited horses a while and get out and look at some > three-gaited horses more often! :) That is NOT trotty, not by Thunder or > Joe standards! Granted, it's certainly not pacey, and possibly/probably is > foxtrot, but it's a long way from a pure (hard) trot! I thought so too :) there wasnt a strong enough vee in the legs on one side. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Alois Podhajsky on the young horse...
Alois Podhajsky on The young horse in the first phase of training... "The first object of training is to make the horse familiar with his new and unaccustomed work. If this work begins under the rider he should not forget the youthfulness and inexperience of his horse and show leniency to his faults, overlooking playful bucking which is an expression of youthful gaiety to which the horse is entitled. On no account should the horse be punished, but the rider must make every effort not to be thrown off." I am reading the Complete Training of Horse and Rider In the Principles of Classical Horsemanship. I found this passage amusing and wanted to share. I think it is the language that made me laugh. I will look for a real quote to discuss as I progress. The book interesting so far. -Kristen
Re: [IceHorses] in fairness to Curls
On 3/7/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ok, I'll spare you the helmet lecture - THIS TIME! I don't believe a word > you say about Curly Ray being a heathen though. He looks like a doll to me. > :) > > Karen > Karen Thomas > it was purely a staged photo op! Good Lord I would have never put a three year old on curly ray loose! The mom was standing there and had hold of her waist. I said "Smile Ella" and the mom stepped away. WAY away! I dont think I would put a three year old on curly ray even if he had on a saddle and bridle, and the kid had on one of those safety vests the PBR bull riders wear and one of those helmets with a cage across the face :) Janice Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: anthropomorphism - circus ponies
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 04:47:18PM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote: > > uh huh. whereas all the pictures i've seen here of riders in their mink > > jackets and horses in silly hats, those just don't count somehow. ' > > > > real dignified, that's this list. oohh yeah. and you're so clearly in > > tune with the old souls, too. > > I would take offense if I did not have a total disdain for any form of > dignity. *grin* you're talking to a woman whose permanent motorcycle pillion passenger is an orange traffic safety cone. pisses off bikers, warns cars, plus carries my lunch! :) down with dignity, --vicka
[IceHorses] Re: Promotion of the Breed
I would think that Icelandic horses would be relatively inexpensive to keep. Both my Arabian and my small local gaited trail horses ate very little hay, didn't need grain, and my Arabian didn't need to be shod. They had a field and run-in shed, so no mucking stalls. Even my two 16 hh Tennesse Walkers and llama only eat one bale and two quarts of grain among them a day and cost $1200 last year. I talked to a lady last week who had four Icelandics and three Gotlands which she said only ate one bale a day and never had to be shod. Of course, in Haiti, there was only the cost of a 40 cent sisal rope every few months per horse since they were only tethered out to graze. It seems that if a breeder only made a few thousand a year on one Icelandic foal, that would pay for the operation. Maybe our low cost is because we don't show, trailride nearby, have our own land, and I do my own training? If we end up buying the Farnese Farm herd, I was intending to sell the 8 month olds and maybe break the two year old filly to drive this summer. Whatever money we got for the yearlings could be put to work at E- trade; with E-trade's new bracket stops and liberal trading policy, four of our trading buddies have been doubling their account values every month on naked calls. Maybe I'm missing something, though, since I've never bred Icelandic horses before. Rachel in E. Ky- "should I be worried?" Maybe I'd be better off nor knowing...
[IceHorses] Re: Bridleless and bareback?
Thanks for the videos! I routinely rode all my former horses without bridles, but didn't have any video camera back then. I remember in 1981 someone yelling at me while I was casually riding through the Durango fairgrounds on my Arabian, that I was irresponsible to ride without a bridle and to stay away from her quarterhorse (which was at least 50 feet from me, going sideways and fighting the bit). I glanced over at them, wondering what she was talking about and wishing she wouldn't saw at her horse's mouth. Another time, the local rodeo promoter stopped me and offered money if I would do a bridleless routine and barrel race for the crowds on Saturday, but I declined. I had done it all my life, so didn't think anything of it. In fact, even though I leave a bridle on Banjo, I knot the reins and throw them down on his neck. I would think the intelligent Icelandic horses would be even more easy to train. Like I said before, most horses pick it up in about 15 minutes. One little mustang stallion I broke in Haiti, I never did even buy a bridle for him. Rachel Jenkins
Re: [IceHorses] Axis of Evil
>> here is Curls mad at the world! be afraid. be very afraid! HAHA! raven
[IceHorses] promoting the breed
I just had to add, the adult being too tall to ride is the reason for the rule in my Western Horses Association, not the pony being outdone in the competition. And my association is fine with the little guys competing as long as they aren't winning, they tried to disqualify my son one year because they couldn't tell the difference between tolt and pace and said he shouldn't be allowed with a pacer, I had to teach the disgruntled mother of a losing horse and rider what the tolt and pace are so she knows, this group will disqualify any pacing in the speed classes as they say it gives those horses an unfair advantage over the 3 gaited quarter horses and TBDs that are used. Of coarse, the other joke is when my 15 yr. old competes the girls say, I guess your gonna get a bigger horse when your feet start dragging the ground. He just jokes back at em and says, no, I would still win then too! This is the son who threatens to take my gelding with him when he is old enough to move to the west.Jeannette
[IceHorses] Today's Walk
This afternoon, I took my ponies for a walk. First Dixie and then Huginn. We walked about 2 miles from the barn, turn around and go back home. My dog Lucy always goes with me. So...here we are walking down the road. Lucy in front, Huginn and me following Lucy. We're about 2 miles from the barn, and I hear "meow, meow". I turn around and there's my barn cat Weetzie Bat walking behind us. HAHA! As cars go by us, they slow down to take a look at us. We must be a silly sighta dog, a pony, a woman and a kitty following us. ~:] Weetzie Bat did 4 miles today. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess
[IceHorses] Spring Grass
We feed hay 12 months of the year at home because our iirrigated farm land is cut for hay and the horses are on what turns into a dry lot in summer. However, Hunter (TWH) lives at a nearby boarding facility where most of the horses are out on grass 24/7. The very experienced owners visually evaluate the horses as the grass comes on. The ones who are ridden lots will stay on grass. Others who have a history of gaining too much weight willl come in at night, and still others who are at risk for founder go into what is called Jenny Craig, a large dry lot where they are fed grass hay. Probably a good deal more art than science. My Standardbred was there last year and had to wear a grazing muzzle. I finally brought him home. It seemed kinder. He didn't enjoy being muzzled. Nancy
[IceHorses] FOR SALE- NEW Bares Size 0
Hi, I have a brand new pair of Easy Care Bare boots size 0 for sale http://tinyurl.com/yvnyq6 This are NEW boots. I just got them a few days ago. Nothing wrong with them, they just will not work for me, due to my right hand disability. Two (2) boots for $86.00 + $9.00 shipping. Thanks! <:-] Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
>>> But gosh Vicka, as caring horse people shouldn't we strive to make a positive change for all icelandic horses? i say this only because we are on an icelandic list. personally I am trying to do what I can to make the world a better place for all horses, in my small way, working around my belief system, ideology etc. Janice, I think you've done more than in just a "small way." You serve as an example, and I'm thankful I know you. I'll always be grateful for you getting Svertla out of her starvation hellhole, but also for what you've done for all your other horse.. :) Karen Karen Thomas
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
*shrug* i have the only icey within spitting distance, Vicka, I have to ask in all seriousness, why do you keep posting on this particular subject, especially when you keep shrugging? If it doesn't matter to you, why do you comment? Why not just listen on this topic, this time around, since you don't "have a horse in this race" as the old saying goes? You have one gelding, so you're not a breeder. You haven't worked with any rehabs in the breed. Some of us breed and take the responsibility VERY seriously, literally losing sleep when we have to sell a horse or a foal... Others of us just love the breed, and care about its future. And many of us have worked with rehabs, and would like to see fewer of them - no, I'd like to see ZERO rehabs.These things are hugely important to some of us, those of us who want our horses finding long-term homes with good people with realistic expectations. This is not an issue I'd shrug over, not even close...I have strong feelings, thus I share my feelings on the topic. I'm glad you're happy with your horse. That's a good thing - I wish ALL owners were happy with their Icelandics, but unfortunately, not the case. Karen Karen Thomas
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
it's not like the information isn't there, and i don't see a whole lot of use in replacing those who'd rather have say an arab or an appy with an icelandic. That doesn't really make sense. How would someone KNOW they'd "rather have an arab or an appy" if they haven't seen what Icelandic's really are? I certainly didn't see myself ever buying one of these horses when there are so many choices of other breeds close by - not until I MET the horses. >>> there's always going to be a largish supply available from iceland, at least for the foreseeable future, because of their breeding and rearing practices. I, for one, would never buy an imported Icelandic, not knowing the big risk a horse coming into the eastern part of the USA has for summer eczema. Frankly, I think it's rather cruel that people keep importing them, knowing how high the chances are that the horses will suffer, when domestic-bred horses (of all breeds) have very low risks. I love this breed, but if I had to choose between a TWH or QH, or an Icelandic that had a 50+% chance of being miserable half the year, I'd get another breed. I'd miss the breed terribly if I had to give them up, but I think it's not worth it to make a horse suffer just for my selfish whims. Karen Karen Thomas
Re: [IceHorses] in fairness to Curls
On 07/03/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just to be fair i thought I would post a pic of curly ray being sweet. > notice he is free. This is my little great niece. her mom was > standingf beside her while i took the pic and to my horror she walked > away! just leaving the 3 year old on curly, a known heathen. But > when he started to walk off I hollered WHOA real sharp and he stopped! > So must have received SOME training in life. I think he could tell > she was fragile and wouldnt hurt him so he was nice to her. > Janice What a cute little girl. I love that Curly has his ear tipped back toward her. Anyway, I've discovered why you are so carefree Janiceit's because you're living at the beach. I can't believe your sandy soil. Looks like nice country though, puts me in the holiday mood. Wanda where it's +4C... I'm in heaven.
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
On 3/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > As it is now, what people see is a horse that is tied up tight, held onto > > tight, runs like crazy, and has to wear *protection* or it'll cut it's leg > > off when it does a supposedly natural gait... > > *shrug* i have the only icey within spitting distance, and although he > *will* run like crazy on the rare occasions i allow it, he's certainly > not tied up to or held onto, and he doesn't wear anything more exciting > than a french-link snaffle. perhaps in other places it is different. > > --vicka > But gosh Vicka, as caring horse people shouldn't we strive to make a positive change for all icelandic horses? i say this only because we are on an icelandic list. personally I am trying to do what I can to make the world a better place for all horses, in my small way, working around my belief system, ideology etc. Just because my horses have had more dental work and medical treatment taken care of this year than me or my husband, doesn't mean I shouldnt want to make a difference for other horses who may be suffering because of ignorant owners. Or uncaring owners. Or owners operating under a different belief system that maybe I can help change. Thats like saying oh well, hitler killed a lot of jews but there aren't any in my neighborhood so if anybody out there is mean to jews I don't want to do anything about it. well. maybe thats extreme. But you teach. I teach. I teach government. I hate it when people say they dont vote because it doesn't make a difference, that their vote can't change anything. I tell them if they don't want to vote at least be a member of a special interest group that shares their ideology so they can help make the world a better place through pluralism. Look at what WE horse people are doing for walking horses. They didn't crown a WGC this year for the first time in history, in fifty years. Because the show was shut down because all but three horses entered in the WGC class were given soring violations. We may disagree, you have your ideology and I have mine, but like I tell my students, shame on you if you don't try and make a difference in what you believe in. And shame on me if I keep my mouth shut about it! off my soapbox now... I think you are taking it rather personal, thinking its about you and starnji when others are trying to point out how things could be better for iceys as a breed. And I am forgiving you for the fur coat jibe. You fur coat jibe is only serving to make me a better person. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
On 3/7/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I could ride Tivar around the arena with a hula hoop instead of reins. > janice-- > yipie tie yie yo Have you been doing that? V
Re: [IceHorses] Spring grass
My horses are out 24/7. I have three large pastures to rotate them through. Once the grass comes up they usually stop coming in for hay. The Paso will be wearing a grazing muzzle this year so I'll have to feed her some hay. Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] in fairness to Curls
On 3/7/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just to be fair i thought I would post a pic of curly ray being sweet. > notice he is free. They look so sweet together! V
RE: [IceHorses] Spring grass
>>> Do those who have large grass pastures available feed their horses solely on pasture from the time the grass comes in till it dies in the winter? Or do many still hay their horses in addition to pasture? How many hours/day are they on pasture? Nutritionally, once they are getting access to grass most of the day, I stop feeding hay. As to knowing when to take them off grass and for how long - I wouldn't dare say without seeing your horses and your pastures...and even then it's part art, and part science. Karen Karen Thomas
[IceHorses] Spring grass
Do those who have large grass pastures available feed their horses solely on pasture from the time the grass comes in till it dies in the winter? Or do many still hay their horses in addition to pasture? How many hours/day are they on pasture? Trish
RE: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stella
Looks fairly 'trotty' but not clean...so I'd say fox trot. Since several of you have said that looks trotty, I have to tell you - you need to get away from gaited horses a while and get out and look at some three-gaited horses more often! :) That is NOT trotty, not by Thunder or Joe standards! Granted, it's certainly not pacey, and possibly/probably is foxtrot, but it's a long way from a pure (hard) trot! Karen Karen Thomas
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stella
On 06/03/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What gait for Stella in this picture? > Judy Looks fairly 'trotty' but not clean...so I'd say fox trot. Wanda
[IceHorses] Re: Promotion of the Breed
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> A few "natural" articles were in their newsletter several years ago (one on > barefoot), and it supposedly was ordered that no more should be printed; > that the information should be "traditional" stuff. > I can believe that. I remember that, the article about barefoot horses, and when I saw the response (attack on) to that article it really turned me off, I think that was the last issue I ever looked at, let my membership go, I really don't think they care how high (or how low) their membership numbers are, so who cares? Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:46:49AM -0800, Storme Lee~Fire Island Farms wrote: > I found the breed by writing down the Attributes of what I wanted in a horse > > Short > Smooth > calm > easy keeper > not prone to shy > friendly > can carry a heavy rider > > and then did internet researchand Robyns website actually was > great. It made me more interested, gave good information, and they > had horses availible to purchase. > > Plus they had a brouchure that they sent out if you were more > interested. i think all these are great ideas for marketing the breed, showcasing their strengths. who *doesn't* do internet research these days? :) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:28:05AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: > Are Arabian horses always shown with riders from that country? dressed in > their traditional attire? do they ride the horses the way they are ridden > there? or here? i wouldn't say "always" (either for arabs or iceys) but "native costume" is a big thing in the arabian show world. (and very pretty, imho, although i think i've had my lifetime's worth of arabs by now :) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:22:18AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: > I think we should promote the breed in a way that is more familiar, > user-friendly, and functional for the American market. again, i have to ask, why? it's not like the information isn't there, and i don't see a whole lot of use in replacing those who'd rather have say an arab or an appy with an icelandic. there's always going to be a largish supply available from iceland, at least for the foreseeable future, because of their breeding and rearing practices. and i'm worried that "marketing" will result in a lot of "puppy-mill" breeding around here, which will do neither the horses nor their reputation, let alone their owners, any good in the long run. if we want to support the breed, i think we should focus on education and supporting methods of training, some of which are breed-specific but most of which aren't. (i don't teach "gentle hands and quiet aids" b/c stjarni is an icelandic, i teach it to make my students better riders.) > I think that if we saw the horses doing trail obstacles, western riding, > tricks, it would show that the horse is smart, willing to learn, able to fit > into the requirements of the potential / targeted audience. i worry that the "tricks" will crank off those who don't want to see the "circus pony" thing. > As it is now, what people see is a horse that is tied up tight, held onto > tight, runs like crazy, and has to wear *protection* or it'll cut it's leg > off when it does a supposedly natural gait... *shrug* i have the only icey within spitting distance, and although he *will* run like crazy on the rare occasions i allow it, he's certainly not tied up to or held onto, and he doesn't wear anything more exciting than a french-link snaffle. perhaps in other places it is different. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Video
>> http://www.tolthorse.com/video.cfm?SHID=65 Hi, No comment on that video. ButI want to comment on the video that the have on their home page. I really like the video! It shows Icelandic Horses doing what they do best...trail riding! It shows then walking, tolting and being exposed to many different terrain and wild animals. Kudos to Fitjamyri Icelandic Horse Farm! Yes..they can nose bands on...but look at what a positive promotion of the breed the home page video is. Raven (putting on flame suit)
Re: [IceHorses] Re: anthropomorphism - circus ponies
On 3/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > uh huh. whereas all the pictures i've seen here of riders in their mink > jackets and horses in silly hats, those just don't count somehow. ' > > real dignified, that's this list. oohh yeah. and you're so clearly in > tune with the old souls, too. > > --vicka > I would take offense if I did not have a total disdain for any form of dignity. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:24:47AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: > If you think about it, there may be one or two people who will be dazzled by > the sparklers and take a step further towards the breed, but what about the > other thousand (or two or three thousand) people who walk away from it > because they don't see any function to the horse? well, i've never seen the sparklers in real life. but i have to say the pictures, plus talking to the owners, of the sparkler-wearers has only impressed upon me the easygoing, non-silly-spooky nature of icelandics. --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] Video
>>> In this video, the horse shows a nice gait; how does the noseband look? http://www.tolthorse.com/video.cfm?SHID=65 Tight, but it looks like a nice mare, and it doesn't look like the girl is hauling on her mouth so much. It was nice to see the mare keep going when she let the reins go slack. I can't say that I've ever associated Tom Jones with Icelandic Horses before...:) Karen Karen Thomas
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
The rules call for the horse to be shown how it is usually ridden. Does that mean I can ride in shorts or capris? :) Karen Karen Thomas
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
>>> I just want to add, the promotions of this being a family horse are excellent as we have taken ours to a western showing program for the last 2-3 yrs and have had the boys have great success in speed events with many people asking to buy these guys from us. That's interesting. How old are the boys? Was one of them the one in the picture with the grey horse? >>> I don't intend on ever selling them but I have had offers of 10,000 during one of the shows and most of the quarter horses that compete here aren't nearly that expensive. I took it as a compliment. And why do you think the people were so interested, to be asking about buying them? Do you think the people wanted them because the horses were successful at the games, or because they seemed like fun and safe horses for the kids to ride? Did they say? What games do they do? >>> I had decided that when the horses weren't at their game I would ride them around the grounds where the boys show and try to work out the issues they brought that day and I was approached by so many 50 something men and women who said they didn't know they could ride them and wanted to know where to buy one. Personally, I think that low-key kind of "marketing" is the most sincere type, and the type most likely to win over the kind of people I'd like to see become interested in the breed. I have no interest in showing, but we've taken a couple of horses to our little local saddle club shows, and just ridden around the show area. I guess it would be more appropriate to call that "exposure" as opposed to "marketing" maybe? Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] in fairness to Curls
>>> Just to be fair i thought I would post a pic of curly ray being sweet. What a CUTE picture! >>> This is my little great niece. her mom was standingf beside her while i took the pic and to my horror she walked away! just leaving the 3 year old on curly, a known heathen. Ok, I'll spare you the helmet lecture - THIS TIME! I don't believe a word you say about Curly Ray being a heathen though. He looks like a doll to me. :) Karen Karen Thomas
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
On 3/7/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know the place - not far off of US 321, just north of Gastonia, right? > Emily showed there a few times many years ago. Yep! That's it. They do the individual call the breed into the arena demo thing, you can have a booth back at your stalls, and then they call all the breeds into the arena for a final showoff. Next year I don't know that I'll show back for the final showoff. We had about 30 - 45 horses in that arena, and my girl had some issues when we got crunched in traffic. A bucking 17hh paint has a way of clearing traffic, but it was pretty high stress to *not* run over someone and we kept getting cut off because most of the horses there were trail horses and their owners don't understand arena etiquette. The rules call for the horse to be shown how it is usually ridden. In the SSH/TWH classes there were 2 people in full show get up, 2 people in western trail get up, 1 in endurance stuff, and me in the Dressage saddle, biothane bridle, etc... I glittered her hooves and show groomed her, but most of the trail horses weren't even clipped to come! I'll call Linda this week and get her contact info and email you guys with it. I plan to take the TWH and the SSH this year. Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
RE: [IceHorses] Adult rider/horse size requirements
>>> When we owned the Welsh pony, she was shown very successfully in local hunter/jumper shows by out grandson's young wife, who is about 5'5" tall, 110 lbs and legally an adult. In those classes, this was permissible, and the pony placed well against 16+ hand horses. I can't remember all the show rules we encountered when my daughter was showing, but generally, it was not allowed to show a horse in pony classes. In the classes at the smaller open shows however, I think it was generally ok to show a pony in "horse" classes, but the rules were fairly lax at those. I guess the thinking was that a horse would have an unfair advantage over the ponies, but if a pony wanted to try going up against the "big guys", go ahead and try. I know there are some cases where adults are prohibited from showing ponies, but I THINK that usually applies to pony classes. I will eventually try to enter one of mine in a trail class. As a qualification, the only shows my daughter participated in were dressage shows, hunter shows or all-around open shows. The dressage and hunter shows used the national horse show association rules (US Equestrian I think they are called now?) We never went to a breed show. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
September or October, and it's at Biggerstaff Arena in Dallas. I know the place - not far off of US 321, just north of Gastonia, right? Emily showed there a few times many years ago. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
On 3/7/07, Stephanie Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The breed expo was fun, I really enjoyed it! I could ride Tivar around the arena with a hula hoop instead of reins. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
On 3/7/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Get me the info. We should make it a group effort. Gastonia isn't that far > for Trish, Laree, Cherie and Sue to come down for too. When is it - May? September or October, and it's at Biggerstaff Arena in Dallas. The breed expo was fun, I really enjoyed it! Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Ground Driving
> http://iceryder.net/grounddriving.html These are good pages to bookmark (add them to your Google Bookmarks http://www.google.com/bookmarks/ ) and to print out and read in downtime, and also to take to the arena when practicing. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Adult rider/horse size requirements
When we owned the Welsh pony, she was shown very successfully in local hunter/jumper shows by out grandson's young wife, who is about 5'5" tall, 110 lbs and legally an adult. In those classes, this was permissible, and the pony placed well against 16+ hand horses. The only thing that happened was an occasional well-meaning spectator who would approach Ellie and kindly suggest to her that she had outgrown her pony. Summer was just 12.2 h. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
You need to bring the Iceys over to Hoof N Hollar this year, want me to get you the contact info? Get me the info. We should make it a group effort. Gastonia isn't that far for Trish, Laree, Cherie and Sue to come down for too. When is it - May? Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Happy Birthday, Remington!
Happy Birthday to Remington - our hero! Nancy Sturm
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stella
> Judy... is she trained to ride yet? Yes, I believe she is. Here's some information and a couple of short videos from the owner: http://iceryder.net/kathystella.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Happy Birthday, Remington!
Remington turned nineteen years old today. How many nineteen year olds have been to all the places he has been to and seen all the things he has seen? And what a very fresh nineteen he is. I was joking with Marilyn a few weeks ago that now that Remington has turned snow white and has become so tireless he seems immortal, perhaps he has been sent as a herald to take me to another world, just like Mohammed ascended to heaven on his horse. One of my boys asked how could I expect to ride to anywhere but hell on a demon pony, no matter how angelic he looked. To paraphrase the old Irish toast, wherever Remington goes for eternity is where I want to go also. John Parke Solvang CA
Re: [IceHorses] Curly Ray's brothers
On 3/7/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > oh my gosh you have no idea how valuable those are around here! > People who want to breed for mules are always looking for mammoth > jacks... They're mini's though... Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stella
Judy... is she trained to ride yet?
Re: [IceHorses] Curly Ray's brothers
On 3/7/07, Stephanie Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://gastongazette.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?userphoto=0&theway=back&picnum=4&image=13250219&thispage2=&return=#show > > These little guys were pulling a john deere green covered wagon. > > The TWH I had was the only one who didn't spook over it, but she lives > 2 houses down from them! >bg< > > Steph > oh my gosh you have no idea how valuable those are around here! People who want to breed for mules are always looking for mammoth jacks... Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed / Registry
>>> There are somewhere around 3,000 registered horses, but how many of those numbers are horses that are no longer alive? Yes, it's an approximate number. You also have to count a few horses that are still registered in Iceland or Canada, but not in the USA. And there are some whose papers got tied up and simply aren't registered. But, on the other hand, there are some who still show up in Canadian registry who are also registered in the USA, and we can't count them as two horses, nor can we assume all registered horses are alive. I'd think that the 3000 number isn't TOO far off, but it is a guess. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
On 3/7/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think they do have some costume classes at breed shows, don't they? But, > no, I don't see that very often. http://gastongazette.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?userphoto=0&theway=next&picnum=7&image=13250227&thispage2=&return=#show The blurry arab is the regional costume winner, there are some more photos of him in the gallery there. Out of the 20 arabs there 3 were costume. You need to bring the Iceys over to Hoof N Hollar this year, want me to get you the contact info? Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
I just want to add, the promotions of this being a family horse are excellent as we have taken ours to a western showing program for the last 2-3 yrs and have had the boys have great success in speed events with many people asking to buy these guys from us. I don't intend on ever selling them but I have had offers of 10,000 during one of the shows and most of the quarter horses that compete here aren't nearly that expensive. I took it as a compliment. I had decided that when the horses weren't at their game I would ride them around the grounds where the boys show and try to work out the issues they brought that day and I was approached by so many 50 something men and women who said they didn't know they could ride them and wanted to know where to buy one. I told them same as other breeds, and some places who breed nearby me. Then I figured I would show this year in trail classes. Well, I had to dash that idea, the adults can't compete on anything under 14 hands. Don't think I will ever get another that will be that tall so I can't keep the plan of sparking more adults interest. I am going to a western/english show grounds and I don't know if all other organizations have the 14H or taller for adult riders or not but this could be a problem if it is. I don't care for myself, I don't need to compete at all, I just love riding with my family and friends on trails but I was disappointed that you can't use them at the show. Does anyone take their horses to shows that have gaming, western pleasure, hack classes? Do they all pose this height issue or is this unique in my area? Jeannette
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I wish the Icelandic congress would make a video, we just watched > the > > Paso Fino video from their breed association and it was alright, > > right now for prospective owners and people interested we have > them > > watch the Dan Slott video before we go go further in our time. > > > The problem with the USIHC making a video is that it would show how > they are > ridden in Iceland and in competitions. > > A few "natural" articles were in their newsletter several years ago > (one on > barefoot), and it supposedly was ordered that no more should be > printed; > that the information should be "traditional" stuff. > > That is the same situation with Dan's video. It doesn't really > promote the > horse to American riding style or function. Well I understand thatI just do not see why there has to be such chasms between all of us that love this breed. They can be used for competitions They are great trail mounts-which I believe Dans video showed They can be shoed, or barefoot depending on your pastures and riding situations and the quality of their feet...most of the Icelandics here have great feet, but there are a couple of Icelandics here whose feet have to have more attention too-both were Pintos I just wish we could agree to disagree and know some people love and care for their horses differently than others... It was just a short time ago I was writing about barefoot here on this list and no responses...as if all the people on the list thought I was talking from outer spacepersonalities should become secondary... Thats something that comes from 12 step programs...its a nice thing when in practice. If we could put our personalities aside and focus on how we all love and care for them Storme Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
[IceHorses] Curly Ray's brothers
http://gastongazette.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?userphoto=0&theway=back&picnum=4&image=13250219&thispage2=&return=#show These little guys were pulling a john deere green covered wagon. The TWH I had was the only one who didn't spook over it, but she lives 2 houses down from them! >bg< Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
>>> Are Arabian horses always shown with riders from that country? Not that I've ever seen. (I guess that would be countries, instead of country...?) >>> dressed in their traditional attire? I think they do have some costume classes at breed shows, don't they? But, no, I don't see that very often. >>> do they ride the horses the way they are ridden there? or here? Honestly, I don't even know how Arabians are ridden in the middle east these days. I think of Arabians as how they are used and shown in the USA - 1) endurance and CTR horses. 2) Saddle seat and driving. 3) Other show disciplines - hunters, dressage, western pleasure, and as personal pleasure horses. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stella
> Looks close to a trot to me, so I'd guess Fox Trot. That's my best guess also. This horse happens to be for sale, if anyone is interested. A 7 yo mare, going to a natural home. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
> I wish the Icelandic congress would make a video, we just watched the > Paso Fino video from their breed association and it was alright, > right now for prospective owners and people interested we have them > watch the Dan Slott video before we go go further in our time. The problem with the USIHC making a video is that it would show how they are ridden in Iceland and in competitions. A few "natural" articles were in their newsletter several years ago (one on barefoot), and it supposedly was ordered that no more should be printed; that the information should be "traditional" stuff. That is the same situation with Dan's video. It doesn't really promote the horse to American riding style or function. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stella
Looks close to a trot to me, so I'd guess Fox Trot. If it were a trot there would be two feet moving off the ground at the same time, or all four feet off the ground in the suspension phase, and that's not happening here. If there were a foxtrot, it would have to be one closer to running walk than to pure trot I think. >>> I still haven't gotten Liz's book yet, but I do intend to get iteventually. I assume you mean Lee Ziegler's book? It's a great book, only about $14-15 on amazon.com. For the folks who have Lee's book, you can see the phases of running walk on page 15 and foxtrot on page 20. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
Seems icelandics that have been shown around me that most impressed me were shown not as icelandics but demonstrating an activity. I was very impressed at the fla horse expo when an icelandic was in the driving demo along with several of other breeds. I would really like to see them trick trained a lot more. It is so FUN to trick train Nasi. I swear he will do ANYTHING. I mean anything, just ho hum what? oh ok, I'll jump off the high dive into a cup of water... And Tivar, I have not started on trick training yet but he picks up everything so fast. They are so highly intelligent and have a way about them where they want to have a sort of eye contact interaction with humans. Its really intrigueing to me. As a person with horses that altho are great well behaved horses, like jaspar, will DO a trick, grudgingly, by rote. But some horses are born for it, enjoy the heck out of it, seek that human interaction of figuring out the new thing you want. My Stonewall is like that, and I can honestly say I have not seen an icelandic in person yet who did not have that canny shrewd look in the eye and an interest in what you want, and in my (very limited admittedly) experience that makes a good trick horse. And if someone with really great trick training skill decided to trick train a horse like Nasi they could have him standing on the wings of an airplane while they fly low over the crowd :) I know i sound absurd. But honestly you guys, my husband took Nasi to the creek and as they walked across the bridge, he stopped, looked down at the swift flowing deep water, and put a foot up on the railing. My husband swears he was thinking of jumping. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
>>> If you think about it, there may be one or two people who will be dazzled by the sparklers and take a step further towards the breed, but what about the other thousand (or two or three thousand) people who walk away from it because they don't see any function to the horse? "Success" of a marketing program is very hard to quantify, that's for sure. The toughest part is always quantifying missed opportunities. It's easy to site the cases where people buy into the marketing (talking generically) but much harder to count the people who quietly walk past. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
> there's really no logical/financial reason for doing it. I'm > certainly > losing money in my small breeding operation, but I wouldn't take > anything > for the joy of having had seven healthy foals born here. I'm not > sure I'll > have the stomach to do it forever, but there is a true joy in parts > of this > job. Just no money...:) I definatley agree with Karen on this one.we try to re-coup our investment ...land, feed, shoeing, trimming, salt , minerals, worming, vaccinations, floating, fly sprays, shampoos, trailer costs, fencing costs, solar chargersbuckets, feed bins, water troughs, hoses, barns built, every little thing costs money.the cost of the horses, whew! We breed because we love the breed and want to share that with other people, we love the babies- right now we have 3 in our lower pasture2 of which we are keeping this year, and we have one more baby coming.making moneym, the breeder I bought all my Icelandics from has never made a dime, only lost a ton of money on the horses, shipping costs, feed, and buying stock that never arrived with their paperwork as promisedand inspite of everything she still loves the horses.and wants to keep breeding them. I do other things to make money. I make more money breeding dogs than I ever will on my horses. Storme Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
> >>> As for the spaklers... the Friesian people always show with twinkle > lights, in elizabethan attire. maybe the icelandics could be demo'd in > twinkle lights in viking attire. > > Oh, yeah, the Viking attire would make more people want to run out and buy > one - not! What is the image of Vikings in the USA? I think about that > Capital One commercial, that shows the "raping and pillaging" Vikings: > "What's in YOUR wallet?" "Horse-traders" have enough of a negative image to > overcome! well, you know. Like Guneldas husband. You know there is a Florida Cracker Horse don't you? A gaited breed. I reckon when you ride one you have to tie a mullet or collard leaf around its neck. And wear white rubber boots like the shrimpers wear. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
>>> I live in a rural sparsely populated county and there are approximately 3000 horses in the county. So 3000 icelandics in the US compared to 3000 horses of all breeds in my one county is pretty small population! I am surprised. I think I read a while back that there are something like 10,000-20,000 horses in my county - and we own all of the 20 Icelandic's here. About ten years ago, there was something like 15,000 TWH in NC alone. Compare that to about 2500-3000 Icelandics in the whole USA... Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
I am not, never have been and never will be a breeder - of any breed. I have always preferred to let others take the risk and assume the responsibility and expense. Then I get to choose the best (that I can afford) from your years of labor and study. So, here's what promoted the Icelandic to me: A therapy horse named Lina (from Niels West's breeding) who absolutely understands her job and has done it well from the beginning. An endurance horse named Remington who has carried his rider for 10,000 miles. The recommendation of Arab-owning friends who were extremely impressed by Icelandics they knew when they lived in Solvang, CA. In each of these cses, it was the usefulness of the horse that promoted the breed. Nancy ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:15:40AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: > > How can we promote the breed as a usable horse for riders in > North America? > > > > What would be ways to make the breed seem more familiar, > user-friendly, and > > functional? > > why, aside from the profits of breeders, do we need to do that? > they're > hardly obscure as it is; they appear even in most kids' books of > breeds. > > --vicka I have to say that the write ups in the books of horse breeds and the pictures chosen do not even do the Icelandics justice.some of theose books do not even mention their soft gaitsand in some its just a by-linelike the people writing about them have never been around them, seen them or ridden them. I would not have chosen the breed based on those breed books. I found the breed by writing down the Attributes of what I wanted in a horse Short Smooth calm easy keeper not prone to shy friendly can carry a heavy rider and then did internet researchand Robyns website actually was great. It made me more interested, gave good information, and they had horses availible to purchase. Plus they had a brouchure that they sent out if you were more interested. I wish the Icelandic congress would make a video, we just watched the Paso Fino video from their breed association and it was alright, right now for prospective owners and people interested we have them watch the Dan Slott video before we go go further in our time. Of course I am sure their would be meetings and arguments and disagreements about what to put in the video...but one would be nice...as a breeder I would like it now, and as someone who was desperatley trying to find info on the breed it would have been nice. We know about all the videos and stuff out there, but if you do not belong to the congress, are not in an area that has the show circuit, finding out information on this breed is hard And lets face it, alot of people buy horses based on color or easeor because of their beauty. We have neighbors down our road who bouth into Paint horses...now they are frustrated with them, hard to ride, expensive to feed...they have a trainer come in and work their horses...they want an Icelandic, but they already spents tons of money on Paints and arab paint crosses...so they feel stuck had I had a video 4 years ago when they were interested in purchasing horses, I would have given them one...they saw Sally and me riding past their farm on our Pinto colored Icelandics almost everyday, having a blast.well they bought the color, but they are not having the experience that we have with our horses...sad really, to have a farm full of horses that you do not enjoy to ride...and long to ride one of your neighbors Storme Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stella
> > Flat walk or running walk? I'm not so great at judging speed from a still > > picture. > > Looks close to a trot to me, so I'd guess Fox Trot. > > I still haven't gotten Liz's book yet, but I do intend to get it > eventually. the tip off for me on a fox trot is the back feet look like they are trotting (with suspension) and the front feet look walking. But I am often wrong! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
>> How can we promote the breed as a usable horse for riders in North >> America? >> >> What would be ways to make the breed seem more familiar, user-friendly, >> and functional? > > why, aside from the profits of breeders, do we need to do that? they're > hardly obscure as it is; they appear even in most kids' books of breeds. I think we should promote the breed in a way that is more familiar, user-friendly, and functional for the American market. As to breeders, I'm not really focusing on them, nor would the promotions that I'm thinking of, be to make money for them. There are people who have jumped into Icelandics thinking they can make a bunch of money fast by puppy-mill breeding the horses, then a few years later having to do herd disperals, dumping a glut of untrained, not well bred, unpapered, inexpensive horses on the market. There's no point in promoting the breed for those people to make money. The point is to promote the breed so that it gets into the hands of people who can do right by the horse; people who are knowledgeable about horses, and educated about horsemanship or people who are willing to learn. I think that if we saw the horses doing trail obstacles, western riding, tricks, it would show that the horse is smart, willing to learn, able to fit into the requirements of the potential / targeted audience. As it is now, what people see is a horse that is tied up tight, held onto tight, runs like crazy, and has to wear *protection* or it'll cut it's leg off when it does a supposedly natural gait... The people who admire or buy into that stuff, may not have the horse's best interests in mind. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed / Registry
> I live in a rural sparsely populated county and there are > approximately 3000 horses in the county. So 3000 icelandics in the US > compared to 3000 horses of all breeds in my one county is pretty small > population! I am surprised. There are somewhere around 3,000 registered horses, but how many of those numbers are horses that are no longer alive? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
As for the spaklers... the Friesian people always show with twinkle > lights, in elizabethan attire. maybe the icelandics could be demo'd in > twinkle lights in viking attire. > > Oh, yeah, the Viking attire would make more people want to run out and buy > one - not! What is the image of Vikings in the USA? I think about that > Capital One commercial, that shows the "raping and pillaging" Vikings: Are Arabian horses always shown with riders from that country? dressed in their traditional attire? do they ride the horses the way they are ridden there? or here? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
>>>They are sorta promoted > as a show horse doing the flying tolt. but if a person around here > who enjoys showing bought one there wouldnt be anywhere to show it. That's a good point. > I think they should be promoted as gaited family pleasure horses. As > for the spaklers... If you think about it, there may be one or two people who will be dazzled by the sparklers and take a step further towards the breed, but what about the other thousand (or two or three thousand) people who walk away from it because they don't see any function to the horse? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stella
What gait for Stella in this picture? > > Flat walk or running walk? I'm not so great at judging speed from a still > picture. Looks close to a trot to me, so I'd guess Fox Trot. I still haven't gotten Liz's book yet, but I do intend to get it eventually. The list is just so long, and the money stack so short! LOL Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
>>> i think they are being "promoted" as it is, or marketed. maybe the question is not do we want them promoted or marketed, but HOW do we want them promoted as long as its gonna happen anyway. Very astute observation, Janice. Yes, they are being "marketed" now. >>> I think they should be promoted as gaited family pleasure horses. Me too. And within most "families" there are ranges of interests in riding, so I don't think that focus is too narrow. >>> As for the spaklers... the Friesian people always show with twinkle lights, in elizabethan attire. maybe the icelandics could be demo'd in twinkle lights in viking attire. Oh, yeah, the Viking attire would make more people want to run out and buy one - not! What is the image of Vikings in the USA? I think about that Capital One commercial, that shows the "raping and pillaging" Vikings: "What's in YOUR wallet?" "Horse-traders" have enough of a negative image to overcome! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Feeding herring?
On 3/7/07, Storme Lee~Fire Island Farms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is Indosnesiaand it is good, if roasted properly. Send me your address and I'll send you some of the worlds best Sumatra as a thank you present for getting me these #'s! > Hey Steph I got those #'s for you at home...I will email you when I > get home tomorrow. Thanks, been meaning to check with you and I've been so busy with my business! Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
On 3/7/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, giraffes and tigers are in many children's books, and dinosaurs too - > but that doesn't exactly make them common in my neck of the woods. :) In a > country that has 10,000,000 horses, I'd consider the 2500-3000 Icelandic's > fairly obscure. That's only 0.03% of the USA horse population. I think > Judy's question very fair, and I'll answer it separately. I live in a rural sparsely populated county and there are approximately 3000 horses in the county. So 3000 icelandics in the US compared to 3000 horses of all breeds in my one county is pretty small population! I am surprised. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stella
>>> What gait for Stella in this picture? Flat walk or running walk? I'm not so great at judging speed from a still picture. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Feeding herring?
--- kim morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Caldwell" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Sumatra comes from (I believe) Africa, and what I drink is > imported > > green, locally roasted, and I only drink pressed coffee. I'm a > huge > > coffee snob, but my one of my closest friends owns the local > coffee > > house and we're trying to import coffee for him, so I've gotten > pretty > > into coffee lately. > > > > > > I think it comes from Sumatra in Indonesia:) > > Kim It is Indosnesiaand it is good, if roasted properly. Hey Steph I got those #'s for you at home...I will email you when I get home tomorrow. Aloha from the US coffee capital! Storme No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
>>> How can we promote the breed as a usable horse for riders in North America? What would be ways to make the breed seem more familiar, user-friendly, and functional? I think it would help to show them doing things that American riders like to do, in ways that American riders like to do them. Sure, there is no "typical" American rider, but I see one major difference in the way Icelanders seem to want to promote the horse - as a hot horse, always running around. In the USA, there are plenty of hot breeds, and I know oodles of people who own hot horses (innately hot, or hot due to some issues) who would do anything in the world to calm their horse down so that they could safely enjoy them. I swear sometimes, it seems like the Icelanders, at least the trainers/show people, want to take calm horses and make them hot, where that's NOT what most Americans want. If you don't believe me, go to a Parelli weekend or some such. There frequently seems to be an attitude when this subject comes up, that Icelandic's are EITHER hot and goey, OR cold, grandma horses. I think there are a lot of American riders who know better than that. A horse that is willing to step forward and do his job does not have to be lazy or dull, nor does he have to be crazy and unsafe. When I found Sina, I was absolutely ecstatic that I'd found a horse that I didn't have to beg to move forward, a horse who had some energy and forwardness, but who was also sane, sensible, safe and trainable to the extreme. I honestly think I've seen more of this profile within this breed than in any other breed that I've encountered. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
> > How can we promote the breed as a usable horse for riders in North America? > > > > What would be ways to make the breed seem more familiar, user-friendly, and > > functional? > > why, aside from the profits of breeders, do we need to do that? they're > hardly obscure as it is; they appear even in most kids' books of breeds. i think they are being "promoted" as it is, or marketed. maybe the question is not do we want them promoted or marketed, but HOW do we want them promoted as long as its gonna happen anyway. Like the AQHA "America's Horse!" Or the TWHBEA, doing a spider crawl with giant padded shoes on the logo. I like the McCurdy motto "Made by God not by Gimmicks" but I guess that might offend the atheists. Icelandics do fit into a small niche in the horse world. They are sorta promoted as a show horse doing the flying tolt. but if a person around here who enjoys showing bought one there wouldnt be anywhere to show it. In halter classes it would be up against quarter horses. In gaited classes not many could be shown western cause the saddle wouldnt fit them. Trail obstacle would be a good place to show them. I think they should be promoted as gaited family pleasure horses. As for the spaklers... the Friesian people always show with twinkle lights, in elizabethan attire. maybe the icelandics could be demo'd in twinkle lights in viking attire. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Bridleless and bareback?
> Has anyone here mastered riding bridleless and bareback at all gaits > with their icelandic? Inside and outside of the arena? Just wondering! :) I haven't seen anyone do all gaits, inside and / or outside of the arena. Here's a few pictures practicing PNH tasks in the arena: http://iceryder.net/bridleless.html and some videos of non-icelandics riding bridleless: http://iceryder.net/bridleless2.html If you don't watch all the videos, at least watch the first several of Stacey Westfall. There's a couple of videos towards the bottom that show clicker training. Please feel free to forward. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 12:06:02PM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote: > It's important to me that with any 'outside' contact my herd has, they > are considered well trained and well behaved. At the despooking > clinic we took Gusti to we were told he was the best behaved horse > there. People pay attention to that sort of thing. sure, but anyone who expects good behavior and good training to be a breed thing is being a bit silly. i've ridden appys who fit that to a "t", and also met appys who i wouldn't get on for love or money. and to be honest, the same applies to my personal experience of icelandics, having tried quite a few along the way. --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
why, aside from the profits of breeders, do we need to do that? If you really think that breeders make a profit, you need to think again. There's an old joke in the horse world. "How do you make a small fortune with horses? Start with a large one." And actually, it's hardly a joke. In the USA, if a breeder has a conscience, it's almost impossible to even come close to breaking even raising horses. Breeders who care enough to do it right, vaccinating, worming their horses, getting basic medical and dental care, farriery work etc. rarely, if ever, will recoup the price of their breeding stock. Most of us don't even pretend that's ever going to happen, and consider ourselves lucky if we don't lose money on each foal - and we pray that each beloved mare will safely make it through her pregnancy, because there is always a risk with each one. And that's not counting a penny for the sleepless nights on foal watch, the hours and hours we spend learning about breeding, nutrition, the breed standards... And nothing for the time we spend showing visitors the horses. If you love horses enough to take good basic care of your horses, you breed only for the love of the breed, the love of the mares, and because you love babies - there's really no logical/financial reason for doing it. I'm certainly losing money in my small breeding operation, but I wouldn't take anything for the joy of having had seven healthy foals born here. I'm not sure I'll have the stomach to do it forever, but there is a true joy in parts of this job. Just no money...:) >>> they're hardly obscure as it is; they appear even in most kids' books of breeds. Well, giraffes and tigers are in many children's books, and dinosaurs too - but that doesn't exactly make them common in my neck of the woods. :) In a country that has 10,000,000 horses, I'd consider the 2500-3000 Icelandic's fairly obscure. That's only 0.03% of the USA horse population. I think Judy's question very fair, and I'll answer it separately. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
> why, aside from the profits of breeders, do we need to do that? they're > hardly obscure as it is; they appear even in most kids' books of breeds. > --vicka As an owner of Icelandic Horses I want them perceived well by people that aren't familiar with them. It's important to me that with any 'outside' contact my herd has, they are considered well trained and well behaved. At the despooking clinic we took Gusti to we were told he was the best behaved horse there. People pay attention to that sort of thing. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:15:40AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: > How can we promote the breed as a usable horse for riders in North America? > > What would be ways to make the breed seem more familiar, user-friendly, and > functional? why, aside from the profits of breeders, do we need to do that? they're hardly obscure as it is; they appear even in most kids' books of breeds. --vicka
[IceHorses] Video
In this video, the horse shows a nice gait; how does the noseband look? http://www.tolthorse.com/video.cfm?SHID=65 Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
How can we promote the breed as a usable horse for riders in North America? What would be ways to make the breed seem more familiar, user-friendly, and functional? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Axis of Evil
On 3/7/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > He's saying I'm just a tiny little donkey. I woudn't hurt a flee. > > That's FLEA > > Wanda > i thought you deliberately misspelled to be funnee :) Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Axis of Evil
> Those eyes of Curl's are almost human. he was wanting OUT for turnout and when Traveller followed me to the gate he started braying and glaring at him thru the fence so I took the pic:) He is so mean, but surprisingly has never once acted mean to a human, not even flattening his ears. Altho when I "rescued" him he would take off bucking and running around when the teenagers at the boarding place would jump on him for a ride. I couldnt take it anymore so ended up with him. I am so glad! We couldnt live without our bad little curls! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Leslie Desmond Video
Here's an excerpt from one of Leslie Desmond's videos: http://iceryder.net/leslievideo1.html Please feel free to forward. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Axis of Evil
> He's saying I'm just a tiny little donkey. I woudn't hurt a flee. That's FLEA Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Axis of Evil
On 3/7/07, PeicasaArt ~ Denise Every <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't that more like the Asses of Evil? :) HAHA a good one. Sometimes for fun when people ask his name I say "Don Key" and watch their face. Then a man at work said "you could name him Jacque Asse" haha he pronounced it "ZShock Ahsss" real snooty. I could name him Raymond Burr-o! Janice- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stella
On 3/6/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What gait for Stella in this picture? > Running Walk! and the crowd goes wildd whaa janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Kathy's Horses
On 3/6/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These horses must be related to Nasi. > > http://iceryder.net/kathyhorses.html hahha, adorable! You know just this weekend I realized he has not tried to bite me in a long time!! I think his being gelded stopped the biting! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Axis of Evil
On 07/03/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > here is Curls mad at the world! > Janice He's saying I'm just a tiny little donkey. I woudn't hurt a flee. Peppy gets that way when trying to coax dogs closer. He tries to make himself look smaller. Those eyes of Curl's are almost human. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Axis of Evil
Isn't that more like the Asses of Evil? :) Denise Peicasa Art: http://stores.ebay.com/Peicasa-Fine-Animal-and-Nature-Art We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give. Sir Winston Churchill
[IceHorses] Ground Driving
Here's Robyn's article about ground driving: http://iceryder.net/grounddriving.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] My Training Goals
here are my summer training plans. 1. Clicker train Stonewall and Nasi to lie down 2. Pony Nasi on a trail ride (or several) 3. SOMEHOW DEAR LORD IN HEAVEN find a way to get Stonewall to calm down when excited. 4. Get Teev and Jaspar placed in the top five on an NATRC competitive trail ride (not endurance) 5. by fall, have Teev ready to do the hildebrandt, a local ride we have here that is very up and downy and you have to cross a lot of creeks from 1-4 ft deep. 6. In nov, do four days of the ten day rodeo ride, taking Teev and Walls and ponying one and swapping each day and camping at night on the open range whoopi tie yi yay. 7. Train Teev to stand on a pedestal 8. Train Nasi to step down from the mobile home steps into the back of a truck and stand there while you carefully drive off a few feet. 9. Train nasi to come up on my front porch and stand around up there happily. 10. Get Fox ready to show him barefooted on a loose rein and mild bit in the western pleasure class at the big stupid walking horse show and when the local tv station interviews me I am going to say "I just wanted to show how a walking horse can do the signature gait of the TWH barefooted with a mild bit and loose rein as an example to others, and to represent the breed as sound, NH trained happy animals instead of tortured, abused and sored like these big lick and plantation shod horses are" (Big Happy GRIN for the CAMERA!) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Kathy's Horses
These horses must be related to Nasi. http://iceryder.net/kathyhorses.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Flying Pace CLOCKED!!!
here ya go. The flying pace was finally officially timed! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo <>
RE: [IceHorses] Head and Mouth in Gaits
>>> I am not an expert on the race pace. but Twist's is a true two-feet-landing on the same side at the same time. It's is not a good gait for riding. In fact, when we first knew him, I kept thinking his name was Lurch. As a breeder, I'm MUCH more worried that any foals born here might be very pacey than if they may be slightly to the trotty side. Of course, there's always an element of "roulette" in any breeding, and of course, I AIM for foals whose preferred gaits fall smack in the middle of the soft range. But, if there were ever a foal born here who's too trotty, well, I know that most of the horses in the USA are w/t/c horses, so I know I could find him/her a suitable home, without forcing or faking the gaits. But, oh, the hard pacer! They are the saddest, because there are so few people who want a pacey horse. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/9ZdxlB/TM ~-> "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
