Re: [IceHorses] representing the breed
> We are asking questions here on this list...that is why this list > came > into being. And Janice seems to be one of the most positive and > funny > people on this listI enjoy all of her posts, both funny and the > > serious aones. Just because you question something does not mean > you > are not positive. I would say I am having a personal differnt experience...I am hearing her put down the congress or put down the more expensive horses. I do enjoy a lot of her posts, but assuming things about what I am writing and taking my words out of context is not enjoyable...if she were to ask a question to me instead of making an assumption I would be fine with that. I have found some people here to be Very negetive about the congress or professional breeders who actually try to make some money in their program Janice knows alot about the show TWH breeding > world > and points out similarities she sees in the show Icelandic breeding > > world. Instead of repeating she is not positive or if you're not a > > breeder you can't possibly understand the breeding world (how many > college professors actually practice the theories they opine on), > point > out where her information is wrong...I think you will find that it > isn't. > > Trish I am a breeder, you could not have thought I was not a breeder if you have read all this thread. I own an imported Stallion from Iceland, Faldur fra Feti, a very nice Silver Dapple with nice gaits who is producing some very nice foals here. I own 4 Icelandic mares, 1 which is not papered, one which I should be getting the papers soon who is from a first prize stallion, and 1 from old Kolkousi lines, and one from another of a first prize stallion. I have been breeding for almost 5 years now, just a baby in terms of a breeding program, but I do a lot of research and take it seriously. S. Lee
Re: [IceHorses] Joining USIHC
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hell, every registered icelandic in the world has a good > pedigree! Well I beg to differ..I have one here with no Dam or Sire listed We have some mares here with no 1st prize Stallions, but of course I am sure that that does not mean much to you.. I have other mares here from 1st prize stallions and an amazing pedigrees > When you say "it isnt an evil thing to do, to use your horse for > showing" "to ride an expensive icelandic," they are all expensive! Your was not expensive, so I do not know where you are coming from on this one. > They are all similar in pedigree, they are all expensive. They are not all similar in Pedigree, I have looked at many and they are not all similar, there are different lines of breeding, different regions in Iceland, Germany, Denmark, Canada etc.sorry, but on this you just do not know what you are talking about. Why do you assume a person who doesnt show and trail rides, is out there on an inferior mutt horse that was cheap?? I never Assumed that-that is your negetive attitude again rearing its head. I do not show, I only trail ride...the mare I rode today does not even have papers.call her a mutt if you want, I do not. And where do you get the idea that just because a person does not choose to breed they know nothing about breeding??!? Again I do not have that idea..that is your attitude about what You think I am thinking, you are assuming instead of asking or clarifying. To say someone knows Nothing, would be a pretty Big statement. I could not say that about you as I do not know you or your background in horses. > I believe icelandic horse evaluations are meaningless You are intitled to your opinion, but please do not put down people who do not agree with you. > I believe a good trail horse is more valuable than a good show > horse. I believe we might actually have something in common if you choose to read my words with an open mind. I breed quality TRAIL horses, and ride them, that is the one of the goals of my breeding program. > I believe an expensive well gaited well trained obedient trail mount is a more valuable thing to have than an expensive horse with weights around its feet running circles around an arena I have not seen Icelandics with weights around its feet, Walkers, yes. Again we might disagree on what constitutes a weight...but mabye you are Confusing Evaluations with Competitions. The rules are different. S. Lee
Re: [IceHorses] Joining USIHC
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If we don't like the USIHC, why would we join them? > > > > Because if you want to inact change, you gotta get involved, > > We are involved; maybe it's outside of the USIHC, but that's OK; > things are changing. They don't want change. Is it fair to try to > go into their organization and change them? > > We have had more success in improving things for the breed, doing > it from outside of the USIHC. > > We are evoking change from the outside without causing any > dissention in their group. Isn't that more fair? better? > > I think if we joined the USIHC and tried to change them, maybe > someone would be saying right now, "why don't you go somewhere else > if you want change, and leave them alone?" > > That's the other side of the coin. > > I think we are doing things the right way, as we are. > > And we're being ever more positively productive than wasting time > trying to get someone else to change (wouldn't that be negative > energy?). Where would we be today if all of our energy had been > wasted on trying to change the USIHC rather than pursuing our > positive road? > > We're doing good for the breed! And you are part of that!! > > Thanks! I agree with all of that Judy...just can not stand the bitching from some people about the Congress.lets change things from the outside, and not Bitch about them or some of the high priced breeders.keep changing from the outside and leave them alone if that is what feels comfortable. S. Lee
Re: [IceHorses] Back Behind the Barn Boys Story
>> Oh, I'm sorry, Raven, to have brought up sad memories...I didn't realize you were talking about your horses Don't be sorry! The ache will always be there, but it's good to talk about the "boys". <;] >> thought maybe it was referencing your kids or kids at the barn you were at. They were my Back Behind the Barn Boyscuz...that's where they liked to stand together. Each boy was special in their own way. And each boy was in my life for a reason. I will always love them and miss them. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Seizures
> > I have a dog here that started having seizures about > 2 years ago. He was > having them about once a month. He has lived here > for 10 months. > My dog went 2 years without a seizure. Then some vet had me cut down on his meds and he has had them once a month ever since. It stinks. Happy Southwestern Trails Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
Re: [IceHorses] Green Products
> > > We have a friend that has a dog that has seizures > when she is awakened > suddenly from a deep sleep so they have tried to > eliminate some of the > triggers - disconnected the dorrbell, etc. You > might try to notice > and see is there is a common trigger > > -- > Laree > He usually has them in his sleep, but so am I so I haven't really figured it out after all these years. He got hit in the head pretty hard when he was one and then he started up with them. Happy Southwestern Trails The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
Re: [IceHorses] MFT for sale in AZ,
> 2 mfts (mares), 1 QH (rescue) gelding and one > Leopard appy mare. In the > market for a mule/mft or mule/TWH, well...a gaited > mule! I you know what I > mean ... unless I get another foxtrotter but I won't > go back to non gatied > horses ever. Your's is a real pretty guy... I am > partial to mares myself but > you never know.> > Wow, you have your hands full. I saw a MFT mule in the paper I would love to try out. He is beautiful. I am partial to geldings. I have only owned two mares. They were very nice. Happy Southwestern Trails Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
Re: [IceHorses] Woman Gets DUI on horseback
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Re: [IceHorses] OT
> If they get the things they need do you think their quality of life is > good? > > -- > Laree Most of our patients that responded to initial treatment, improved and did well for some time. There is no cure, and eventually you'll know when your cat isn't comfortable. Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Back Behind the Barn Boys Story
Raven wrote: >>> Raven, what ever happened to the Back Behind the Barn Boys in your sign >>> off?! >>> >>> >>> Wow...Trish, I haven't use that in over a year. You have a good >>> memory. Well...here's the Back Behind the Barn Boys story. >>> Oh, I'm sorry, Raven, to have brought up sad memories...I didn't realize you were talking about your horses. I really liked that signoff name -- I thought maybe it was referencing your kids or kids at the barn you were at. Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Back Behind the Barn Boys Story
--- Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well...here's the Back Behind the Barn Boys story.<< Wow! Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367
[IceHorses] Back Behind the Barn Boys Story
>> Raven, what ever happened to the Back Behind the Barn Boys in your sign off?! Wow...Trish, I haven't use that in over a year. You have a good memory. Well...here's the Back Behind the Barn Boys story. The boys were Banjo, Wizard, Hercules and Huginn. Banjo was 39 years old, when I made the decision to put him down. He lived a good long life. He died in 2001. Hercules was my little pony, I got him when he was almost one year old. When we moved to KY...in 1999, he foundered really bad. Since then..it was an up & down battle to keep him sound. Each winter he would get worse, over the two years of his lifehe slowly went down hill. We tried everything. I think I kept him around, cuz he was Wizard's best little buddy. They loved each other so. And he was Wizard's eyes the last three years of Wizard's life. Winter of 2005...was very hard on Hercules...he spent most of it...laying down. January 2006, I made the decision to put him down. Wizard was on once-in-a-lifetime horse. He was my "heart horse" ...the love of my life. March of 2003, Wizard has a horrible adverse reaction to a IN strangles vaccine (bastard strangles). This caused a abscess behind his right eye...pressing up against his brain. I tried everything that I could to try to get rid of this abscess. I even took him all the way to the U of MI in Lansing in hopes that they could help. Nothing helped. They told me to put him down. I refused. I just couldn't give up on him...not that easy. So ...they sent me home and he was on massive antibotics for a long time in hope of shrinking the abscess. Wizard has always been a very high strung horse. And the abscess made him ..worse. he slowy had a mental meltdown. That first summer... I tried to keep riding him, but after the 3rd near death experience I had to retire him. This is when I started shopping for an Icelandic. Wizard was retired to the pasture. I excepted nothing from him...I just wanted him to have a happy life. Over the next few years...he slowly went insane. Everything scared him. The last winter, he just got worse. And Hercules as also getting worse. I put Hercules down and I thought...Wizard would be okay. Cuz...one of the things that really freaked Wizard out, was when he was worried about Hercules hanging out with Huginn. But...when Hercules was gone...Wizard totally lost it. He spent the last two week, running the fence line, not eating and he was very dangerous to be around. I never knew when I would accidentally get in his way and be trampled over. I was afraid of him and seeing him lived in this manner...made me ill. It was a horrible life, her never had a moment of peace. So...I made the hardest decision that I ever had to make in my life. I called the Vet. Huginn was alone for a few days...he wasn't eating...or drinking. He was just plain depressed from being alone. One night my hubby came in from the barn and said " you better get another horse before you have a vet bill on your hands, cuz Huginn is not adjusting". That's when we bought Dixie and brought her home to be Huginn's pasture pet. It was love at first sight for both of them. <;0] And that's the story. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] OT- Garbage Truck Living
> WOW! I would enjoy camping in this! > > http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157600047460667/show/ > > Raven > Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies > Huginn, the American Ice Pony > Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess > And it could pull a horse trailer too! Raven, what ever happened to the Back Behind the Barn Boys in your signoff?! Trish
RE: [IceHorses] Do You Really Need a Gaited Trainer?
>>>Do You Really Need a Gaited Trainer? I think the link should be www.howetheywalk.com >>> It is only after you have a good, solid foundation of softly giving to the bit, bending and balance, flexing and moving laterally off your legs, willingly stopping and moving out, that you can even begin to determine if your horse "might" have a real gait issue. All of these other things can make you think you have a gaiting problem that is really not there. Boy, that sure is the truth! I learned that the hard way with Holly - the hard way for both of us. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Blue for my boy
Toile interesting. The blue looks good on him. Ok, I get it... blue is ok, but no toile prints on Mr. Macho, is that right? :) I didn't make that pad topper for him, but it happens to be the right shade of blue...maybe I'll try it on Sina instead! >>> This picture really reasonated with me when I saw it. I think you have something here, Karen. I believe that dressing up the horses like this gives them a nice look that makes them even more attractive to the market that is already attracted to them. I don't know if it appeals to other people, but man, I've sure been on a matching tack kick for the past few months! I don't know what's up with that. Believe it or not, I never was interested in playing with dolls as a kid. For the first 10-15 years we had horses, we had brown saddles, brown bridles, brown girths, with white saddle pads and that was fine. Then I started struggling just to find anything that fit - maybe I'm just celebrating my options, now that I finally have some! It IS cool that we now have some choices in saddles that fit...that don't cost an arm and a leg...AND we can pick some neat colors and styles. Maybe that IS appealing to those of us empty nesters that don't yet have grandkids to spoil! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Blue for my boy
>>> ok i will just come right out and say it karen! the dresden blue print saddle pad is too girlie man for Melnir! For gosh sakes what were you thinking! Cant you SEE he is embarrassed?! Think southwestern. or hey! Navy blue solid with turquoise edging! yes. or black. Horse hair tassles black and cream. Oh my, Janice, what would I do without our guidance? You're just going to have to accept that I'm not the fashionista that you are...:( Seriously, I was going to use the black Skito pad but I realized that I'd taken the foam out of it to cut some shims to match and hadn't put it back in. That's actually just a topper on top of my sheepskin correction pad. I made it for Flekka, but the toile print was a little too busy for a blue dun pinto. May I please use the black pad with this saddle and bridle on Melnir? I've reserved turquoise for Saga. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Breeding Horses
On >Behalf >Of Judy Ryder > >Should breeding horses be a business for profit? >... I sure wish I was in business, it would be nice to have a year where I just broke even. It's a good thing I love what I'm doing!! Janet Caliente, California BTW, I still have a very pretty almost two year old dun filly for sale if anyone is interested.
Re: [IceHorses] representing the breed
Storme Lee~Fire Island Farms wrote: > It is just like you to take out a Polical Snip-it and run with it > from my post instead of looking at the Big Picture. > > If you do not breed, then quit dogging breeders who do, talking and > complaining about stuff that you do not know about. > > Mabye ask some questions-Bee Positive. Is that too hard? Storme, We are asking questions here on this list...that is why this list came into being. And Janice seems to be one of the most positive and funny people on this listI enjoy all of her posts, both funny and the serious aones. Just because you question something does not mean you are not positive. Janice knows alot about the show TWH breeding world and points out similarities she sees in the show Icelandic breeding world. Instead of repeating she is not positive or if you're not a breeder you can't possibly understand the breeding world (how many college professors actually practice the theories they opine on), point out where her information is wrong...I think you will find that it isn't. Trish
[IceHorses] Do you really need a gaited horse trainer
Thank you Judy, thank you. This is absolutely what I have come to believe. Out horses are HORSES first and gaited horses second and that gait is pretty much hard-wired into them. I use all the same techniques on my TWH that I would use on a Thoroughbred. I don't think you could prevent him from gaiting. And yes, I also own an off-track Standardbred and I might at some point change his hoof angles to help him forget the pace he performed at the track, but right now he's in a nice round snaffle bit and is receiving my version of as much natural horsemanship as I have been able to digest. Nancy
[IceHorses] Recall - American Bullie A.B. Bull Pizzle Puppy Chews and Dog Chews
Geez...louiseanother recall From: FDA Recalls To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: FDA Issues Health Hazard Alert for Pet Chews Due to Contamination with Salmonella FDA Press Release This listserv covers mainly Class I (life-threatening) recalls. A complete listing of recalls can be found in the FDA Enforcement Report at: http://www.fda.gov/opacom/Enforce.html FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE P07-58 April 5, 2007 Media Inquiries: 301-827-6242 Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA FDA Issues Health Hazard Alert for Pet Chews Due to Contamination with Salmonella The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) today warned consumers not to use American Bullie A.B. Bull Pizzle Puppy Chews and Dog Chews manufactured and distributed by T.W. Enterprises, Ferndale, WA, because they have the potential to be contaminated with Salmonella, which can cause serious infections in dogs and cats, and, if there is cross contamination, in people, especially children, the aged, and people with compromised immune systems. Consumers who have the pet treats manufactured or distributed by T.W. Enterprises listed below should not feed them to their pets, but instead dispose of them in a safe manner (e.g., in a securely covered trash receptacle). Salmonella can potentially be transferred to people handling these pet treats, especially if they have not thoroughly washed their hands after having contact with the products or any surfaces exposed to these products. Healthy people infected with Salmonella should monitor themselves for some or all of the following symptoms: nausea, vomiting, diarrhea or bloody diarrhea, abdominal cramping and fever. Rarely, Salmonella can result in more serious ailments, including arterial infections, endocarditis, arthritis, muscle pain, eye irritation, and urinary tract symptoms. Consumers exhibiting these signs after having contact with this product should contact their healthcare providers. Pets with Salmonella infections may be lethargic and have diarrhea or bloody diarrhea, fever, and vomiting. Some pets will have only decreased appetite, fever and abdominal pain. Well animals can be carriers and infect other animals or humans. If your pet has consumed the recalled product and has these symptoms, please contact your veterinarian. The products covered by this alert include all sizes and lots of: American Bullie A.B. Bull Pizzle Puppy Chew and Dog Chew (made from all American beef pizzle) Following is a list of the affected products: a.. A.B. Small Chew, small, 3-4 inch b.. A.B. Puppy Chew, 4-6 inch c.. A.B. Dog Chew Medium, 6 inch d.. A.B. Dog Chew Large, 10 inch e.. A.B. Dog Chew XL, 13 inch f.. A.B. Dog Chew Mega, 16 inch g.. A.B. Dog Chew Jumbo, 26 inch FDA collected samples of packages of three different sizes of bull pizzle (beef) dog chews manufactured by T.W. Enterprises and, after analysis, found Salmonella in one of them. FDA is including in its alert all sizes and all lots of bull pizzle chews manufactured by T. W. Enterprises because pizzles used in manufacturing the chews are processed at the same time, cut into chews of the desired sizes, and then packaged for sale. Differently sized chews are thus obtained from the same batch or lot of pizzles and manufactured under conditions that facilitate cross-contamination within batches or lots. It is impossible to differentiate chews manufactured by T. W. Enterprises by lot or batch numbers or dates of manufacture because packages of the firm's chews are not coded with batch or lot numbers, and do not specify the dates of manufacture or bear expiration dates. FDA is actively investigating this matter to determine the source of this problem, and will issue future updates as appropriate. FDA's Recalls, Market Withdrawals and Safety Alerts Page: http://www.fda.gov/opacom/7alerts.html
Re: [IceHorses] MFT for sale in AZ,
2 mfts (mares), 1 QH (rescue) gelding and one Leopard appy mare. In the market for a mule/mft or mule/TWH, well...a gaited mule! I you know what I mean ... unless I get another foxtrotter but I won't go back to non gatied horses ever. Your's is a real pretty guy... I am partial to mares myself but you never know. "By endurance we conquer" - Earnest Shackleton
[IceHorses] Recall - American Bullie A.B. Bull Pizzle Puppy Chews and Dog Chews
Geez...louiseanother recall - Original Message - From: FDA Recalls To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: FDA Issues Health Hazard Alert for Pet Chews Due to Contamination with Salmonella FDA Press Release This listserv covers mainly Class I (life-threatening) recalls. A complete listing of recalls can be found in the FDA Enforcement Report at: http://www.fda.gov/opacom/Enforce.html FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE P07-58 April 5, 2007 Media Inquiries: 301-827-6242 Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA FDA Issues Health Hazard Alert for Pet Chews Due to Contamination with Salmonella The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) today warned consumers not to use American Bullie A.B. Bull Pizzle Puppy Chews and Dog Chews manufactured and distributed by T.W. Enterprises, Ferndale, WA, because they have the potential to be contaminated with Salmonella, which can cause serious infections in dogs and cats, and, if there is cross contamination, in people, especially children, the aged, and people with compromised immune systems. Consumers who have the pet treats manufactured or distributed by T.W. Enterprises listed below should not feed them to their pets, but instead dispose of them in a safe manner (e.g., in a securely covered trash receptacle). Salmonella can potentially be transferred to people handling these pet treats, especially if they have not thoroughly washed their hands after having contact with the products or any surfaces exposed to these products. Healthy people infected with Salmonella should monitor themselves for some or all of the following symptoms: nausea, vomiting, diarrhea or bloody diarrhea, abdominal cramping and fever. Rarely, Salmonella can result in more serious ailments, including arterial infections, endocarditis, arthritis, muscle pain, eye irritation, and urinary tract symptoms. Consumers exhibiting these signs after having contact with this product should contact their healthcare providers. Pets with Salmonella infections may be lethargic and have diarrhea or bloody diarrhea, fever, and vomiting. Some pets will have only decreased appetite, fever and abdominal pain. Well animals can be carriers and infect other animals or humans. If your pet has consumed the recalled product and has these symptoms, please contact your veterinarian. The products covered by this alert include all sizes and lots of: American Bullie A.B. Bull Pizzle Puppy Chew and Dog Chew (made from all American beef pizzle) Following is a list of the affected products: a.. A.B. Small Chew, small, 3-4 inch b.. A.B. Puppy Chew, 4-6 inch c.. A.B. Dog Chew Medium, 6 inch d.. A.B. Dog Chew Large, 10 inch e.. A.B. Dog Chew XL, 13 inch f.. A.B. Dog Chew Mega, 16 inch g.. A.B. Dog Chew Jumbo, 26 inch FDA collected samples of packages of three different sizes of bull pizzle (beef) dog chews manufactured by T.W. Enterprises and, after analysis, found Salmonella in one of them. FDA is including in its alert all sizes and all lots of bull pizzle chews manufactured by T. W. Enterprises because pizzles used in manufacturing the chews are processed at the same time, cut into chews of the desired sizes, and then packaged for sale. Differently sized chews are thus obtained from the same batch or lot of pizzles and manufactured under conditions that facilitate cross-contamination within batches or lots. It is impossible to differentiate chews manufactured by T. W. Enterprises by lot or batch numbers or dates of manufacture because packages of the firm's chews are not coded with batch or lot numbers, and do not specify the dates of manufacture or bear expiration dates. FDA is actively investigating this matter to determine the source of this problem, and will issue future updates as appropriate. FDA's Recalls, Market Withdrawals and Safety Alerts Page: http://www.fda.gov/opacom/7alerts.html
[IceHorses] Do You Really Need a Gaited Trainer?
Do You Really Need a Gaited Trainer? By Anita Howe http://howtheywalk.com People are often emailing or phoning me for training advice for their gaited horses. I often discover upon further query, that many of their issues are not truly gait related, but simply that their horse has never been trained with a good, sound natural horsemanship foundation. I find they are often over bitting the horse, or have been told to use weighted shoes to correct gait. I watch video they send me and commonly will see them trying to hold the horse's head high, having been told their "gaited" horse should be high headed and framed up. I realize there is a vast need for sound, gimmick-free gait correction help and advice, and there really are so very few trainers that truly understand how to help people who are seeking to train their horses to correctly gait without the use of harsh or mechanical "aids". So great is this need and so few are those of us to fill it that we cannot hope to make even a small dent in that need. So I want to advise you to take a good look at your horse to make this very honest determination: Do you really need gait correction at this time, or might you need good natural horsemanship training first? After all, these horses are not another species as many would like you to believe... they are first and foremost horses and should be trained as such. It is only after you have a good, solid foundation of softly giving to the bit, bending and balance, flexing and moving laterally off your legs, willingly stopping and moving out, that you can even begin to determine if your horse "might" have a real gait issue. All of these other things can make you think you have a gaiting problem that is really not there. I have often recommended people to find a good natural horsemanship trainer close to them to work with one on one. It is amazing the number of "gait issues" that miraculously disappear after the horse learns to give, bend, flex, move and respond to the rider in a soft and willing manor. I also highly recommend RFD-TV and the many natural horsemanship trainers offering their advice free of charge on there every week... you can learn a little (sometimes a lot) from each and every one of them. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Re: nas on drugs
>From: "Janice McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >and here is a good pic of nasi's conformation. He has one leg out >like a runway model. What a show off!! LOL! Cute! V _ http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!399
Re: [IceHorses] Joining USIHC
On 4/5/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > I think we are doing things the right way, as we are. > > And we're being ever more positively productive than wasting time trying to > get someone else to change (wouldn't that be negative energy?). Where would > we be today if all of our energy had been wasted on trying to change the > USIHC rather than pursuing our positive road? > > We're doing good for the breed! And you are part of that!! > > Thanks! thank you for reminding me you can attract more bees with honey than vinegar , I needed that. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Joining USIHC
>> If we don't like the USIHC, why would we join them? > > Because if you want to inact change, you gotta get involved, We are involved; maybe it's outside of the USIHC, but that's OK; things are changing. They don't want change. Is it fair to try to go into their organization and change them? We have had more success in improving things for the breed, doing it from outside of the USIHC. We are evoking change from the outside without causing any dissention in their group. Isn't that more fair? better? I think if we joined the USIHC and tried to change them, maybe someone would be saying right now, "why don't you go somewhere else if you want change, and leave them alone?" That's the other side of the coin. I think we are doing things the right way, as we are. And we're being ever more positively productive than wasting time trying to get someone else to change (wouldn't that be negative energy?). Where would we be today if all of our energy had been wasted on trying to change the USIHC rather than pursuing our positive road? We're doing good for the breed! And you are part of that!! Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Immune-Mediated Polymyositis
>From an Immune-Mediated Myopathies study dated 2006, University of Minnesota: Immune-Mediated Polymyositis Immune-mediated polymyositis (IMM) has recently been reported in horses. In the largest retrospective study, 31 of 1350 horses that received a muscle biopsy for evaluation of neuromuscular disease were diagnosed with IMM. The breed and age of all horses identified to date include 32 horses with Quarter Horse bloodlines and four other breeds including two ponies, one Icelandic horse, and one Thoroughbred. A bimodal age distribution seems to occur in affected horses with all horses identified to date being either < 8 yr of age or >16 yr of age. In approximately one-third of horses with IMM, exposure to S. equi or a respiratory disease seems to be a triggering factor. _ Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] OT - Walmart Recalled Pet Treats
Sorry...folks one more recall. Wal-Mart Dog Treats Join Pet Food Recall http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=3012278
Re: [IceHorses] Joining USIHC
On 4/5/07, Storme Lee~Fire Island Farms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > i like having this email list as it gets out a lot of important info > that you might not , probably not get from our congress. I > understand that they have a big slant toward showingso do a lot > of other horse organizationsits not an evil thing to do, to use > your horse for showing, ride an expensive Icelandic...I just wish we > would be more positive, quit putting that organization down and some > of the people involved in it > > I am a member, as I like to register my horses, and just read up from > time to time of what is going on in some parts of the > mainland...sometimes I get to see a picture of someone on our list, > its nice...and having access to world Fengur has been a delight for > me, as I have some horses here with what alot of people in the > congress would consider good pedigrees, it is nice to do some > research > on color, how many offspring...it is interesting. > hell, every registered icelandic in the world has a good pedigree! When you say "it isnt an evil thing to do, to use your horse for showing" "to ride an expensive icelandic," they are all expensive! They are all similar in pedigree, they are all expensive. Why do you assume a person who doesnt show and trail rides, is out there on an inferior mutt horse that was cheap?? And where do you get the idea that just because a person does not choose to breed they know nothing about breeding??!? If you were to line up every icelandic breeder in the world and every icelandic owner that does not breed, I would guarantee you there would be equal if not MORE expert knowlege about the breed from the people who do not breed than the ones who do! If you want to talk about husbandry, delivering foals maybe, but knowlege of what goes into breeding for quality?? I am not as in tune with it as most who have owned icelandics for years, but I have owned walkers for years and I have about an 80% success rate in judging a walking horse's pedigree by looking at it, at its build, color, headshape. And anyone who is just as into icelandics as that is gonna be able to do the same. I believe icelandic horse evaluations are meaningless I believe a good trail horse is more valuable than a good show horse I believe an expensive well gaited well trained obedient trail mount is a more valuable thing to have than an expensive horse with weights around its feet running circles around an arena Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] OT- Heads Up - Another Pet Recall Coming
I just got info that Menu Foods is getting ready to issue another pet food recall. Also...that Sunshine Mills will be releasing a statement to the FDA today in regard to pet food products that they are preparing to recall. I do not know which products they are recalling. I did call Sunshine Mills, I was told that they are indeed getting ready to recall some products and the company is preparing a statement to release later today. http://www.sunshinemills.com Here's a link to some of the products Sunshine Mills is recalling http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/4690860.html Also today...Menu Foods did a update on their recall web site. They may have added more lot numbers. http://www.menufoods.com/recall/product_dog.html Permission to cross post. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] Brandon on Cookie Cutter Methods
Listen to Brandon on Cookie Cutter Methods: http://iceryder.net/brandoncookiecutter.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Woman Gets DUI on horseback
On 4/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Darn! Poor poor horse. > > A local cowboy gto a DUI a few years back when he rode his horse up the > courthouse steps - can't remember if they actually entered the building. when I was a young hippie, my girlfriends and I would ride around this little alabama town we lived in at night. like trail riding, only right downtown on the empty streets. Then one nite the one cop pulled us over, asked us not to ride in the streets anymore for some reason. So next time we rode there at night we saw him coming through the buildings and QUICK one girl jumped down and opened the door of the landromat and turned off the light and we rode inside and stood there deathly still in the aisles crammed next to the washers and dryers. we saw the cop car cruising slow down the street and all just froze and held our breath and prayed and he actually shined the floodlight into the store fronts, shines it in on us as he cruised by. We knew we were busted, the light just lit us up standing there. But you know he just kept on going and all we can figure is his brain just wouldnt register and accept the sight of a darkened laundromat full of 6 girls on horses standing frozen amongst the washers and dryers. I aint lying. Sometimes truth is stranger than lying. but we laughed until our guts ached about how it must have looked, us all wide eyed knowing we were busted, the horses standing dead still. I was the worst rider, they always gave me this old mare to ride they called granny. I will never forget her walking through the door into the laundromat so calm and casual, me almost conking my head on the doorsill, her sides so fat I clunked my knees on the doorframe. can you imagine if a horse had panicked in there amongst the washers and dryers??!? I would NEVER do that today knowing what I know now about horses... ahhh the foolishness of youth. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] representing the breed
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...the person that bred your boy, did so at some time and > > expense...and unless she is independently wealthy could not keep > > breeding for profit if she were to sell her foals at a monatary > loss. > > Breeding is a buisness for some of us... > > well. I don't know her life story intimately but I will say she > was > living in a very nice prestigious area in a lovely home with a nice > vehicle and trailer, healthy animals, all those things that I > consider > well-to-do. I am quite certain she sold my horse at a monetary > loss > and was actually pretty happy about it! I still email her and send > pics and she gets all thrilled and tickled when she sees the pics > and > sends back glowing emails about how much he reminds her of his half > brother, sends pics back etc. Its sort of a life long relationship > and I kinda get the feeling thats what she's in it for--- to keep > up > with them and their accomplishments sorta like a happy happy > granma. > When I tell people she is the one who bred my horse they always > always > say something good about her. > Janice You know I am not putting down in any way the person that sold you your gelding.It had to be at a loss... When I say it is a buisness, it isa Big Buisness HobbyI try to re-coup some of my money from breeding, do I recoup all of it...no. I take the loss as part of the pleasure of owning some amazing horses, and riding them.it is funbut I have to balance the amount I am will to lose.. Some people here are professional breeders...while we do breed here...we only had 3 foals this year...one was presold...the other 2 Sally and are are keeping for ourselves, for the first timeit is a small farm...next year will will only have 2 babies, one is already presold...the other we will keep. What started this whole thing --My focus was on you looking at positive aspects...not putting down people and organizations that some of us are involved in.. S. Lee
Re: [IceHorses] Blue for my boy
> Melnir models the blue Sensation and Harmony bridle. Toile interesting. The blue looks good on him. (I always had red stuff for my black TWH and MFT mares.) This picture really reasonated with me when I saw it. I think you have something here, Karen. I believe that dressing up the horses like this gives them a nice look that makes them even more attractive to the market that is already attracted to them. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] representing the breed
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am saying she is Acting that waymabye she could get more > > involved, mabye breed a little, get on the riders trail > program...get > > involved , then come up with Positive and creative ideas to > change > > things for the better...otherwise its irritating. > > > > > I am a little surprised you would suggest that someone you know > nothing about their life situation should "breed a little" ?? It is just like you to take out a Polical Snip-it and run with it from my post instead of looking at the Big Picture. If you do not breed, then quit dogging breeders who do, talking and complaining about stuff that you do not know about. Mabye ask some questions-Bee Positive. Is that too hard? S. Lee
Re: [IceHorses] OT- Running Cans Video
On 4/5/07, Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OUCH! Running cans video > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/222154/barrel_racing/ > The owner of the barn I just left is a long time barrel racer and when my husband met her and some of her friends when we were clearing trails he found out what a tough woman really is - they handled a chain saw better than he did. I have mixed feelings about the sport - her horses were very well cared for and they seemed to love it but it seems to attract a crowd that overall doesn't put the horse first or doesn't know enough to consider the horses welfare at all. -- Laree
Re: [IceHorses] Green Products
> Does anyone have any input on epileptic dogs? I have > a black lab that has seizures every couple of weeks. > Bummer. He is on meds but still has the seizures. > We have a friend that has a dog that has seizures when she is awakened suddenly from a deep sleep so they have tried to eliminate some of the triggers - disconnected the dorrbell, etc. You might try to notice and see is there is a common trigger -- Laree
Re: [IceHorses] Joining USIHC
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I am saying if you do not like our Icelandic Horse congress, join > > them, join the trail riders program, log in some hours in the > saddle, > > if you do not like showing, fine, there is a way to participate > > without showing...there are some of our members who do that here > on > > our list, they look like they are having fun, representing the > breed. > > > If we don't like the USIHC, why would we join them? Because if you want to inact change, you gotta get involved, not just sit back on the computer and be negetivetalk about the positive stuff that we can do with our breed...some times certain people want to bash the Congress and all people from Iceland...I have a hard time sitting back and listning to judgements and critisisms... i like having this email list as it gets out a lot of important info that you might not , probably not get from our congress. I understand that they have a big slant toward showingso do a lot of other horse organizationsits not an evil thing to do, to use your horse for showing, ride an expensive Icelandic...I just wish we would be more positive, quit putting that organization down and some of the people involved in it I am a member, as I like to register my horses, and just read up from time to time of what is going on in some parts of the mainland...sometimes I get to see a picture of someone on our list, its nice...and having access to world Fengur has been a delight for me, as I have some horses here with what alot of people in the congress would consider good pedigrees, it is nice to do some research on color, how many offspring...it is interesting. > I joined to try to make a difference, but the organization is sort of "owned" by a few people, who have their focus and nothing is going to change that. I can understand that...but I think their would be room for comprimise if other people with like minds would get involved.I know it sounds weird coming from a person who is not involved...only due to me being 3,000 miles away. > I really don't want to give my money to have it spent on an area to which I am opposed, and that is anything to do with mechanical gaits. I understand that, I still am not convinced that they are Promoting Mechanical gaitsmy opinionI know...I look at the TWH stuff, now that is Promotion of Mechanical Gaits. > > We are making much more of an impact here, with our focus on education in multiple areas such as breeding, conformation, gaits, saddle fit, etc. I agree that a big impact is being made hereI just do not see it as an either or... Storme
Re: [IceHorses] OT
> They need to get plenty of fluids, usually a lower protein/low phosphate > diet and then get treated for things like hypertension or anemia that crops > up. > > Cherie > If they get the things they need do you think their quality of life is good? -- Laree
[IceHorses] Re: Seizures
Hi Lorraine, I have a dog here that started having seizures about 2 years ago. He was having them about once a month. He has lived here for 10 months. The vet didn't want to put him on anti seizure meds unless they started coming more frequently than once a month. Apparently once you start the anti seizure meds you cannot stop. His seizures since coming here have slowly grown more infrequent. It has been a long while since he has had one, touch wood! We live very green lives here, related or coincidence? I also wonder if maybe he was vaccinated for rabies too frequently, as he often crossed the US/Canadian Border. Please, please consider donating to the rabies challenge study... http://rabieschallengefund.com/index.html you can use PayPal. I also wonder if he may have got some xylitol. He had lived in a newly built home, off gassing? Who knows what has made the difference, but it has been 5 months since his last seizure. Go Tryggur! Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandic Sheepdogs Website: www.sandcreekicelandics.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Green Products
> > I'm going to reply to the group too because I think > it's something > others might be interested in as we all care about > our critters. > Does anyone have any input on epileptic dogs? I have a black lab that has seizures every couple of weeks. Bummer. He is on meds but still has the seizures. Happy Southwestern Trails Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
Re: [IceHorses] OT
Hi Laree: Sorry about your kitty. I think the stats are approx. 1 in 5 cats over 15 years old have chronic renal problems. Unless there is an obvious toxin cause or the cat is a Persian or other exotic (they have a genetic component), most vets just treat the different problems associated with it as they happen. Some cats can live for quite awhile with chronic renal failure. They need to get plenty of fluids, usually a lower protein/low phosphate diet and then get treated for things like hypertension or anemia that crops up. Cherie
[IceHorses] OT- Garbage Truck Living
WOW! I would enjoy camping in this! http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157600047460667/show/ Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] OT- Running Cans Video
OUCH! Running cans video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/222154/barrel_racing/ Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] nas on drugs
> here are pics of nasi two hours after being given > banamine, after > being heavily sedated only 6 hours earlier. You can > see how sedate he > is. And notice Tivar, providing a mature stable > influence (no pun > intended). > Janice > > -- Janice, And where can I get some of these? LOL Great photo. Lorraine Happy Southwestern Trails Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
Re: [IceHorses] Woman Gets DUI on horseback
> > A local cowboy gto a DUI a few years back when he > rode his horse up the > courthouse steps - can't remember if they actually > entered the building. > I have heard of that happening. When I was young and dumb I would get a good buzz before and while riding. Not anymore. Happy Southwestern Trails Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
[IceHorses] Re: OT
> Sooo - does anyone > have a safe, "green" product or home brew that they have used > successfully. I would like to eliminate this possible threat for my > current kitty and any future residents. [quoted text first; your response below quoted text] We do! We make and sell a probiotic soap that I have found to work better than any natural cleaners that we have tried, and I think we tried just about all of 'em over the years. Our soap is reasonably priced, and works wonderfully for everything, from washing dishes to greasy, grimy dirt, to soft baby bottoms and luxurious shampoo bar. We provide a recipe to make a laundry soap/heavy duty cleaner from our soap, but it also works well to just use it straight, grated and dissolved in warm water. We also provide a recipe to make your own probiotic soap, if you'd rather do the whole thing from scratch (under Homesteading Tips on the website). No skin irritation... your hands will feel softer and nicer after washing dishes and scrubbing the house than before. No need for expensive moisturizers and lotions. Won't hurt kitty or any other beneficial living creature in the house... we even brush our teeth with it! http://home-n-stead.com/soaps/ Meg
[IceHorses] Green Products
Hi Laree, I'm going to reply to the group too because I think it's something others might be interested in as we all care about our critters. For a scouring type powder, Bon Ami, is good. It does not have any of the chlorine bleaches, phosphates, etc. that items like Comet, Scrubbing Bubbles, etc. have in them. Target has some good green cleaners. The brand name is Method and they have all-purpose cleaners, wood cleaners, dish and hand soap, stainless steel cleaners, glass cleaners, bathroom cleaners, clothes detergent and many others...and they all smell wonderfully fresh but not cloying. A great book that you could probably find used on Amazon or at the library is "Clean and Green" by Annie Berthold-Bond. It is an oldie but a goodie! And for your kitty's liver...milk thistle is a good supportive herb. It is pretty tasteless so if you mix it in with a strong-smelling wet food or a meat baby food, the cats will usually eat it. Target or Walmart sell milk thistle and it's best to get the standardized verison with 70% silymarin. Not sure if you are on a dry food or wet food but it might be helpful to switch to a wetdry food can sometimes be hard on the kidneys. Brands that use human-grade ingredients are Innova, Paul Newman, Solid Gold, PetGuard. Hope this helps! Trish
[IceHorses] Woman Gets DUI on horseback
Darn! Poor poor horse. A local cowboy gto a DUI a few years back when he rode his horse up the courthouse steps - can't remember if they actually entered the building. Another local guy got a DUI while riding his bicycle drunk. Sort of funny when a horse isn't suffering for some old boy's foolishness. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Blue for my boy
what a sweet sweet face! I think he would look good tho with a saddlepad that has turquoise and a southwestern theme. and you could hang some horsehair tassels with turquoise studded conchos on his bridle. just a thought. Then he would be Mister GQ. (gentlemans quarterly) Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] High line setup - question for Raven
>>http://www.american-flex.com/coverletter.htm and click on Hardware & Rigging. You will see all the equipment needed to picket line/high line a horse while camping. Hi Kristen...did ya get a chance to check out the high line/picket line equipment and videos? Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Blue for my boy
On 4/5/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what a sweet sweet face! I think he would look good tho with a > saddlepad that has turquoise and a southwestern theme. and you could > hang some horsehair tassels with turquoise studded conchos on his > bridle. just a thought. Then he would be Mister GQ. (gentlemans > quarterly) > Janice-- > yipie tie yie yo > ok i will just come right out and say it karen! the dresden blue print saddle pad is too girlie man for Melnir! For gosh sakes what were you thinking! Cant you SEE he is embarrassed?! Think southwestern. or hey! Navy blue solid with turquoise edging! yes. or black. Horse hair tassles black and cream. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Peta and petfood news
PETA says that wheat gluten ISN'T the source of the pet food poisoning. http://www.peta.org/feat-iams.asp "Although the FDA continues to blame tainted wheat gluten for recent cat and dog illnesses and deaths, a mounting number of complaints about sick and dying animals who ate only dry food that did not contain wheat gluten strongly suggests that there is another source of contamination. Evidence from reputable laboratories indicates that an excessive amount of vitamin D in pet food may be to blame. Vitamin D overdoses produce symptoms similar to those seen in animals who recently got sick or died after consuming only dry foods. PETA is demanding that the FDA refocus its investigation to include other likely causes instead of pandering to the pet food industry and focusing on an ingredient that is found in only a moderate number of foods." janice-- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Re: nas on drugs
On 4/5/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and here is a good pic of nasi's conformation. He has one leg out > like a runway model. he is modeling his new fly mask, it gives him "attitude ears" haha janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Charm Through the Flowers
On 4/4/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I love my palomino pony and peach plants! a great pic of color, so peachy! I love it. She is an "autumn". A peach saddle pad would look good on charm someday! janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] MFT for sale in AZ,attention Judy
Lorraine... I don't have an icelandic but I do really like the breed. I'm on this list for a few reasons... One: I learn alot that pertains to all horses re keeping, training and training for gait. TWO: The group is a nice one and when I was "considering" an icelandic I came and then stayed because I learned alot in general. THREE: I have some friends on here now that I like to keep track of! (smile) . I try to make my posts icey related by adding something with icey in the question so I don't get booted off! and sometimes I do get curious about something specific to the breed. Generally though it's just a list that I find easy going and an good place to learn. "By endurance we conquer" - Earnest Shackleton
Re: [IceHorses] Blue for my boy
Raven wrote: > I may have 2 mohair girth made for the sensation saddle for sale. > Can't use them on my RP saddle. > My understanding from Dana was that the girth she recommended for her treeless saddle should have elastic in it...maybe this has changed? Did you use the mohair girth when you had your Sensation? That would be great if we could because I could get a smaller size. Moss Rock Endurance has some great ones. Trish
RE: [IceHorses] Breeding Horses
>>> I work full time and any extra cash I get goes into this obsession I have >>> :)... but it's a nice obsession. I know that feeling. Technically, my farm is a business, but I still work my day job to subsidize it. I'm justlucky that I'm in a field (and at a point in my life) where I can work part-time for a decent salary. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Breeding Horses
So. I think it's silly to debate whether you can make money breeding because it's been proven for decades and decades that you can't - the market won't bear your costs and you might as well decide if you're going to do it that you're doing for your own satisfaction. That's pretty much as I see it - it's more of a matter of how much I love it and how much I am willing to subsidize the effort - real profit just isn't going to happen if I maintain my standards for vet care, nutrition, etc.. I think all that's up for debate (and even that's not literally so, since the "market" will eventually decide) is whether it's fair to expect the same "commodity prices" within this breed as we see in the other, over-bred breeds, or should we encourage breeders to keep up their standards, while maintaining prices where they don't lose a bundle on even the healthy foals (from uncomplicated pregnancies) they raise. Personally, I think we may be able to find a "sweet spot" in the middle. I've priced my weanlings at $2500 to-date, and honestly, I have about that in them just counting routine vet expenses - as thankfully at least Janice recognized as reasonable. I've been very lucky - I haven't lost a mare or foal, and the only unexpected complication and expense was Landi's plasma transfusion - at least there was a happy ending to that little scare. (I also that know I'll lose money on him should I ever decide to sell him, just because of that one expense...) And, I don't even try to pretend to try to recoup the initial costs of my mares and stallion...and heaven knows, I'll NEVER recoup the cost of my barn, sheds, fences, etc! I've done it so far for the joy of the foals, and for the love of the breed, and no way can I ever expect a penny for the many, many hours I've invested. Hello, my name is Karen, and I'm an Icelandic Horse-aholic... This is my passion, m addiction, but even I have my limits on how much money I'll lose in the name of breeding horses...:) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] Woman riding a horse charged with DUI
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17953259/?GT1=9246 -- Laree
Re: [IceHorses] Breeding Horses
On 05/04/07, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> Should breeding horses be a business for profit? I work full time and any extra cash I get goes into this obsession I have :)... but it's a nice obsession. I'm not a breeder, but I sure could beif I won a lottery. I am in a 'no baby' slump right now. Anyone want to foster parent out a pregnant mare? I have found that I love having babies around Wanda
[IceHorses] OT
I'm sorry - this is off topic but I would appreciate any feedback on this - please respond off list since it is off topic My 18 year old kitty has just been diagnosed with Kidney disease. She was not fed any of the recalled pet foods and she is a totally indoor kitty. We have caught it early so we may be able to stop it progressing with treatment. I have been trying to think about what might have contributed to this and there is one thing I am concerned about - I supply clean, fresh water all the time but she still likes to jump in the shower after we get out and lick the water off the sides of the tub. I worry that there is residue from the cleaners we use and that this could have contributed to this disease. I asked the vet and he said that it is a possibility. Yes, we could just make sure the door to the bathroom is kept closed but in the confusion that is our home, that just isn't going to happen reliably. In the rest of the house, I try to use "green" cleaning products that are not hazardous but the tub just doesn't seem to be able to keep clean with baking soda and vinegar (soap scum is a bummer :-) Sooo - does anyone have a safe, "green" product or home brew that they have used successfully. I would like to eliminate this possible threat for my current kitty and any future residents. Thanks, Laree [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Laree
Re: [IceHorses] Breeding Horses
> >>> Should breeding horses be a business for profit? There is a reason for some of the old sayings - "Horse Business is the ultimate oxymoron" - "The way to make a small fortune in horses is to start with a large one", etc. Sometimes we just have to accept what is, is and not obsess about what's fair/right. The fact is that breeding of most animals is not a profitable business if done correctly. Yes, there are exceptions to that rule but overall it is done more for love of the breed and self satisfaction. I raised Dobermans for years and believe me - it wasn't profitable, nor did I expect it to be. I am still in touch with many of my buyers, some whose dogs have long been gone. There are animals, where if you get on board at the very beginning, you can make some good money but it's like the old pyramid schemes, the further you get down the pyramid the less likely you are to share the wealth - perfect current example is Alpacas. Their parent club marketing is strong and if you go to their website you could come away believeing that you will make a fortune while living the perfect small farm lifestyle but I know people that have invested a small fortune and are losing their farms - - it's an interesting study. We just have to understand that every time we put that mare to a stud that we stand to lose quite a bit of money - it's truly a gamble. If you ever want to read a fascinating book about the racing industry there is one about the Rise and Fall of Calumet Farms (that's the sub-title - can't remember the full title). In the racing hey days of the 70's people were paying millions, yes millions, for an unproven weanling or yearling. I can't imagine doing that for something as unsure as the future of a horse. Of course, that's one of the many reasons the bottom fell out of that industry for awhile. So. I think it's silly to debate whether you can make money breeding because it's been proven for decades and decades that you can't - the market won't bear your costs and you might as well decide if you're going to do it that you're doing for your own satisfaction. Laree
Re: [IceHorses] Blue for my boy
Raven - What size, color and how much? Laree On 4/4/07, Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I may have 2 mohair girth made for the sensation saddle for sale. > Can't use them on my RP saddle. Raven > > > "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, > contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and > unrealistic." > > "All truth passes through three stages. > First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. > Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer > > > [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: > http://IceHorses.net/video.html > [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com > [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com > [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo > [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses > [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- Laree
Re: [IceHorses] MFT for sale in AZ,attention Judy
> I am guess Missouri Fox Trotter (he has the look of > it). > Correct!!. Lorraine Happy Southwestern Trails Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
