Re: [IceHorses] Quote for Today
In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures as we regard our own self. Lord Mahavira, 24th Tirthankara Very nice, Jnaice -- Laree What a horse does under compulsion is done without understanding, and there is no beauty in it either, any more than if one should whip or spur a dancer. -Xenophon
Re: [IceHorses] peanut gallery
On 10/2/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No help, but lots of onlookers. LOL--probably drooling! V
Re: [IceHorses] Off to pick up HAY!
In a really good year, we can get 450 bales or so on this tract. This fall, I'll be very happy to get 150-200 bales. Karen - I spoke with our Ag Ext agent yesterday and he said to be very careful of local hay cut this Fall and this coming Spring - he said due to the stress of the drought that the nitrate levels in the hay are going to be dangerously high. You might want to have this batch tested and mix with other hay when you feed it. Just thought you'd want to know -- Laree What a horse does under compulsion is done without understanding, and there is no beauty in it either, any more than if one should whip or spur a dancer. -Xenophon
Re: [IceHorses] As Strong As A Lion, As Gentle As A Lamb
makes me wonder how often they perceive us as being rude, when we do things we dont even think about. I think that's a great point, Janice. Sometimes I catch myself being too abrupt with hte horses because my mind is elsewhere. I like your approach method -- Laree What a horse does under compulsion is done without understanding, and there is no beauty in it either, any more than if one should whip or spur a dancer. -Xenophon
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Barn pics
ACtually it is, but before we redid the corral. The barn had just been finished in the pix from the builder. He names the barns he builds after the owner, so he can easily keep track of which barn is which. I don't have a barn named after me, although the pics I sent in are pics of the Karen model! :) We did our layout too, and went over it with the rep, who made suggestions, and gave us prices for options. Here's the website of the people who did mine. http://www.hooverbuildings.com/buildings/barns.html They are a smaller, regional builder. We saw one they had built down the road from us and we were impressed. We got quotes from them, the builder who built our house, Morton, and one of the other major nationally known names. The Morton rep came out and drove us around to see some of their barns in our county. He drove an expensive car, and told us in detail about the depth of the financial solvency of Morton, and about their long history. Their barns looked nice, but no nicer to me than the ones from the smaller company that we used. In fact, this company we used seemed more willing to make custom touches, and I actually liked a couple of their rep's suggestions better than the Morton rep's. The Morton quote was almost TWICE what this company quoted. Uh, thanks for the drive in the expensive car, and I'm glad your company is financially healthy and all...but that's not worth twice to me! Now, that might have been a fluke of the market at that time - this was over 11 years ago. But, it sure proved to me that it pays to get quotes! Eleven years later, I'm still happy with my barn. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 516-3179 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM
[IceHorses] An honest neighbor
We got our hay put up last night by about 9pm. Good news: we didn't get as many bales as we hoped, only 162 bales. So why is fewer bales good news? Because we cut this hay before it got so tall (we decided on the spur of the moment to cut it because the weather forecast looked right for now) we didn't have nearly so many spindly blades in the mix - the grass just naturally tended to pack tighter. And, because the humidity was so much lower this week than what we normally have for a May or June cutting, the grass cured nicely, and was dry enough that the farmer asked if we'd like slightly larger bales, packed slightly denser. We said yes, since our fescue bales are normally fairly light (30-40 pounds, depending on the year.) This hay looks to be great quality...and the bales average weight is probably about 55 pounds, very heavy for locally grown fescue. The farmer charged us the same price per bale as he did last spring, before the hay shortage was apparent. Most of us in the drought area have heard stories of price gouging this year. I've heard of farmers making bales lighter, while raising the price per bale. I've heard stories of truckers from the northeast and Midwest adding an opportunity fee to their normal hauling rates, knowing that people in the southeast need hay. (We've heard of truckers doubling their rates.) But this farmer freely offered to make larger, heavier bales for us, which meant that his fee would be less than it normally would. We got really close to as many pounds of hay this time as we did last spring, but our baling charge is less. What a friend! It's always nice to hear of someone who does an ethical thing, and who passes up an opportunity to gouge. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] speed racking video
Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: I think you are dead-on right, Laree. One of the funniest spins I've ever heard for why the speed rack isn't a REAL flying pace: a rider goes into flying pace from canter/gallop, whereas a rider will go into speed rack from a rack. So half of the time my former horse Fáfnir didn't actually pace when he paced because I went into pace from tölt :D But there was a very distinct difference between fast tölt and flying pace, the horse didn't just gradually slide into pace he really changed his gait from tölt to pace. In my current horse I miss the feeling of the horse being able to really stretch her steps and stay in clean tölt when going fast. Krisse
Re: [IceHorses] Hay Day
On 10/2/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woohoo - Hay! How many bales did you end up getting? -- Laree What a horse does under compulsion is done without understanding, and there is no beauty in it either, any more than if one should whip or spur a dancer. -Xenophon
[IceHorses] OT Behind the vertical
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Re: [IceHorses] OT Behind the vertical
On 10/3/07, Skise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to put that contraption on that trainer -- Laree What a horse does under compulsion is done without understanding, and there is no beauty in it either, any more than if one should whip or spur a dancer. -Xenophon
Re: [IceHorses] OT Behind the vertical
Oh good grief. What is that supposed to fix? Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Hay Day
How many bales did you end up getting? Only 162...but they are packed more densely than I've normally seen fescue, making 48-55-ish pound bales, compared to the 30-38-ish pound bales we got last spring. We are quite happy with the yield - it dried well, and looks good. It's probably close to as many pounds of hay as we got in the spring. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] OT Behind the vertical
Ouchthat makes MY neck hurt, just to see the picture. I wonder how the trainers would like to have their head tied to that position, even for a few minutes? Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] speed racking video
One of the funniest spins I've ever heard for why the speed rack isn't a REAL flying pace: a rider goes into flying pace from canter/gallop, whereas a rider will go into speed rack from a rack. So half of the time my former horse Fáfnir didn't actually pace when he paced because I went into pace from tölt :D Yeah, sure...that's it...now you got it! :) Isn't that silly? But there was a very distinct difference between fast tölt and flying pace, the horse didn't just gradually slide into pace he really changed his gait from tölt to pace. In my current horse I miss the feeling of the horse being able to really stretch her steps and stay in clean tölt when going fast. Janice certainly hangs out with the die-hard racking horse fans more than I do, so maybe she'll comment. But, I've always heard people refer to rack as a gait, but speed rack seems to be another matter altogether. I've never ridden a speed racker but I've seen some. I believe that rack is simply the English word for tolt as Judy said yesterday, but that speed rack is the same as what Icelandic horse fans have traditionally called flying pace, since it always looks more pacey than rack/tolt. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] OT Behind the vertical
Ohmigosh! What breed of horse? Where was this? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Off to pick up HAY!
I spoke with our Ag Ext agent yesterday and he said to be very careful of local hay cut this Fall and this coming Spring - he said due to the stress of the drought that the nitrate levels in the hay are going to be dangerously high. You might want to have this batch tested and mix with other hay when you feed it. Just thought you'd want to know I will be mixing the hay more this year than ever before. I normally feed mostly Bermuda, but this year we have about equal parts first-cutting fescue, Bermuda, and timothy, and a smaller percentage of this late cut fescue. And of course, I have to avoid feeding any fescue to the pregnant mares in their late term... Man, it's always something! Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] An honest neighbor
It sounds like your friend remembers what neighbor used to mean. We were only 21 when we bought our place in 1963. We heard later that we were not expected to last. The farmer whose field adjoined ours gathered us under his wing like a couple of chicks and taught us, mentored us, loaned and gave us equipment. None of their own adult children were interested in farming and I think the Browns considered teaching us as an opportunity to pass on what they had learned in a lifetime of farming. His wife was busily sewing for our children, trying to interest me in flower gardening and answeriing my inane questions about farm wife things. They both died several years ago, but the farm is still being farmed (thank God) and I think George and Genevieve would approve of the way it's being cared for by new owners. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Off to pick up HAY!
Man, it's always something! That is so true! When my daughter was diagnosed with learning disabilities, I read a book titled No Easy Answers and that's how I feel a lot of times with the horses. I just comvinced my friend with the Perch/TB cross that her saddles' ill fit was causing her horse's behavior issues. Thinking of having to buy 2 new saddles (jumping and dressage) brought on that same lament It's always something and those somethings always seem to start at a $1K. -- Laree What a horse does under compulsion is done without understanding, and there is no beauty in it either, any more than if one should whip or spur a dancer. -Xenophon
[IceHorses] Re: speed racking video
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: owned Icelandics since last Januray. However, I do own an off-track Standardbred who paced at the track. He has learned to trot at least part of the time, but his hard race track pace is a very unpleasant gait to ride. My Stbd raced two years, never won. Had him now for eight years.He has a great trot! And an awful pace, usually out of the canter when he can't get the canter together properly. I have ridden other Stbds with a smooth pace though. We can't seem to find the right job for him. His role in our lives may simply to make us smile. Mine can have a nasty attitude at times towards other horses, but we all love him dearly. I have done some CTR with him, my daughter has jumped him and I drive and trail ride him mostly now. He is amazingly athletic and sure footed on trails; and when I went out with my mother on a trail ride trying out Icelandics, she kept telling me how great and wonderful they are ( she is the one that really wanted one, I had never been exposed to them before).All I could say was that I have one at home in the barn that can do all that!. Long story short, we bought two Icelandics, 3.5 years old, a gelding and a mare. Just doing ground work and longlining with them, but will start training them next spring. I do have to say they are really sweet and I am enjoying having them, just wish my big horses would be a bit kinder to them - I still have to keep them apart in paddocks with space between them. Hopefully some day they can all be one big happy family. Monica Lamothe Ontario
Re: [IceHorses] Foot Flicking / Artificial Trot
In pictures of extended trot you can see very well that the diagonal is broken. This is only possible if the horse has a tight back and a tight neck. You can only make a horse move like this when you have enough pressure in front, enough pressure in the back. Through the stiffness in the top line, the horse is able to do this spectacular but artificial trot. How's this trot: http://www.pbase.com/image/83650548 http://www.pbase.com/image/83650547 Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Leveller Noseband
Here's a picture of a horse in the leveller noseband, not a very nice piece of equipment, but allowed by the rules on Icelandic Horses: http://www.pbase.com/image/32806110 So, what's the problem with nosebands? One of the main goals of dressage is to relax the horse, including his jaw. When the jaw is relaxed, it is loose, and the horse is able to move it and chew. This is prohibited with the tight nosebands, and the result is diametrically opposed to the goal of relaxation! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Larry Whitesell Clinic
Hosted by Kathy Williams Date: October 19-21, 2007 Location: Chetola Farm 1602 Starnes Cemetary Rd. Monroe, NC 28112 www.chetolafarms.com For more information or to attend contact Kathy Williams Phone (704) 764-8253 Cell (704) 221-4566 e-mail – [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Laree What a horse does under compulsion is done without understanding, and there is no beauty in it either, any more than if one should whip or spur a dancer. -Xenophon IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] speed racking video
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:21:49 -0400, you wrote: that speed rack is the same as what Icelandic horse fans have traditionally called flying pace, since it always looks more pacey than rack/tolt. If you look carefully at the videos you can see suspension, which makes it flying pace so far as I'm concerned. I rode a friend's standardbred (ex racing trotter in harness) once on the oval track in a 5 gait class, and had a blast. She was 16.2hh and did all 5 gaits including an awesome flying pace/speed rack/redneck racing gait. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] speed racking video
If you look carefully at the videos you can see suspension, which makes it flying pace so far as I'm concerned. Yes, I think that helps to qualify the gait. I think there is also a spot somewhere in there where the fast tolt may be morphing into having a little suspension, and some times when the flying pace is morphing into not having suspension. Just muddies things up a little :-) I think, with the available technology, that the judging of evaluations, competitions, WC, etc., should have instant replay! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Larry Whitesell Clinic
Subject: [IceHorses] Larry Whitesell Clinic Hosted by Kathy Williams Date: October 19-21, 2007 Location: Chetola Farm 1602 Starnes Cemetary Rd. Monroe, NC 28112 www.chetolafarms.com I'd like to go and audit a day or two of this clinic. Cherie IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Larry Whitesell Clinic
I'd like to go and audit a day or two of this clinic. Cherie I'd like to take a horse but just can't afford it right now - oh well, I might audit it again - I seem to get something from him each time I do -- Laree What a horse does under compulsion is done without understanding, and there is no beauty in it either, any more than if one should whip or spur a dancer. -Xenophon
RE: [IceHorses] Larry Whitesell Clinic
Date: October 19-21, 2007 I'd like to go and audit a day or two of this clinic. I think I will too - assuming that I won't get swamped with work after taking this week off. It's only about 15 miles from me. Let me know if anyone wants to go with me. I may not have the beds changed again from the visitors for this weekend's clinic, but let me know if you'd like roughing it, crash pad accommodations. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Mugging
That little nipping that has started with Willie/Segull now that he is gelded and I have made a pet out of him has bothered me. When he was a stallion I never fed him anything by hand, like his carrots were in his food. He never as a stallion offered to nip me ever. Now here I have this pony that I hug and kiss on and feed treats to that wants to play with me. He is not respecting my space evidently or my dominance over him. What do you think? Sylvia Maybe Cherie can jump in on this one. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Autism
That's am interesting theory especially in light of attempts that have been ( with varying degrees of success) to treat autism with both vitamins and diet changes. I have this half-in-jest theory that they should look at prenatal ultrasounds. In the olden days we didn't have this technology. Now moms have at least one and sometimes serveral ultrasounds during pregnancy. A plea for forgiveness to Susan and our grandaughter Sarah who is working on a four year deghree in imaging. Our adopted son Arontae is multi-handicapped, quite an amazing and entertaining guy. Autism is on his list of labels. Nancy
[IceHorses] Anyone using a treed saddle anymore?
I have finally decided to sell my Icelandic saddle (I will send details to Judy when I take pictures later this week). The saddle fits Deacon reasonably well, which is why I have kept it for three years; but it is totally wrong for me (too big and I hate knee rolls). I have a Big Horn haflinger western saddle that works for both of us. However, I would prefer to ride English. So...is anyone on the list still riding an Icelandic in a treed English saddle? What is working for you? -Kristen in MI Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Re: [IceHorses] Tonka - Blakkur fra Windwalker
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:40:26 -0400, you wrote: This isn't Janice, it's Laree, but these are the only pics I have of him and I got them from Janice Ignoring the horse - isn't that a totally HIDEOUS riding coat?? ; ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] Tonka - Blakkur fra Windwalker
Oh, Mic, I had the same thought. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Tonka - Blakkur fra Windwalker
On 10/3/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't Janice, it's Laree, but these are the only pics I have of him and I got them from Janice Beautiful horse!! Tonka--cute name! V
[IceHorses] Julie Goodnight on Gaited Horses
Q: What do you think of gaited horses? Hello Julie, I am looking at buying a Tennessee Walker. I currently have a Quarter Horse and am finding it a challenge to post. I'm 42 years old. I purchased your DVD's and they were helpful, but I'm just not really comfortable with posting. I have heard you don't have to post with a gaited horse, do you think I would be happier with a gaited horse? Are their any negatives to the gaited horse versus my quarter horse? Any help would be appreciated. Regina Dear Regina, The popularity of gaited horses has drastically increased, along with the age of the largest recreational riding market: the baby boomers, which currently range in age from late forties to mid sixties. At 48 years old, I am at the very bottom of this generation and beginning to feel the normal aches and pains of growing older. Thankfully, I am also benefiting from the wisdom and experience that comes with the territory and I wouldn't trade that for a younger body (as long as there's a plentiful supply of Advil)! Naturally as we age, we experience the back aches and joint pain that comes with the territory and the appeal of a gaited is that he is often smoother than a regular horse and his movements have little suspension (which occurs when all four of the horse's feet come off the ground at the same time, like in the trot and canter); that's why you don't have to post. Also, many people are getting into riding for the first time at this age, or coming back to riding after several decades or more and the gaited horse can be easier to ride because the gaits may be smoother. Gaited horses come in all shapes, sizes and colors and there are a variety of breeds with varying abilities and temperaments. The Tennessee Walker, Missouri Foxtrotter and Saddlebred are perhaps the most well known gaited breeds, but with the increased popularity of the novelty breeds today, we have many other gaited breeds to choose from such as Peruvian Paso, Paso Fino, Mountain Horses (Kentucky and Rocky Mountain), Icelandics, Mangalarga Marchador, and others. Each breed is distinct for its size, temperament and purpose, so it is worthwhile investigating your various options to see what the best fit is for you. There are some caveats to keep in mind when considering a gaited horse. First, just like regularly gaited horses, some are smooth gaited and some are not; it is not a guarantee that all gaited horses are smooth. I have ridden gaited horses that are just as rough as a regular horse and I have ridden regular horses that are as easy as the smoothest gaited horse. But in general, gaited horses will be smoother. Also, just because a horse is bred to be gaited doesn't mean that he is set in his gaits; it does not come naturally to all gaited horses. To some horses it is more natural than others and some will need professional training to get the horse to gait steadily and correctly. Sometimes the horse has to be supported by the rider to maintain his gait and that requires a certain level of skill, knowledge and effort on the part of the rider. It is best to find a horse that is naturally set in his gaits and will maintain them without the aid of the rider or need help from a trainer. Another problem that I have noticed with gaited horses is that it is hard to find mature, well-trained pleasure mounts. I have searched for gaited horses for my sales program, knowing that many of my clientele would prefer a gaited horse. However, I only deal in horses that are mature, safe and reliable for trail and arena, for any level of rider and gaited horses that fall into this category are few and far between. There are many younger gaited horses on the market, but I prefer horses that are more mature and have 'been there and done that.' Although I enjoy riding gaited horses on occasion, my personal preference is for a regularly gaited horse. First I enjoy the gaits of trot and canter and secondly, the kinds of riding I like to do require more athleticism and agility than most gaited horses have. Although some individuals are capable, most gaited horses are not suited to disciplines requiring high performance such as reining, cutting, working cow, dressage or jumping. But to each his own and if your interests lie entirely in going down the trail, it is hard to beat a gaited horse that is set in his gaits, well-trained and well-tempered. My preference would be either a Foxtrotter or a Mountain Horse. I like their size and temperament a lot. Also, there is a line of TN Walkers that have been bred in Wyoming exclusively for trail (no show blood lines). I have worked with a few of these horses and they are awesome. Posting can be one of the most challenging things to learn in riding, but once you get it, posting is really easy. Remember you have to use the motion of the horse to push you up and out of the saddle-like you are bouncing your bottom on a trampoline. Once you get the
Re: [IceHorses] Julie Goodnight on Gaited Horses
Interesting comments. And, in a general way, probably correct. There are good working ranch type Tennessee Walkers being raised in Montana and Canada which are appreciated by endurance and trail riders. Because I have only ridden the one TWH, I have no way of knowing if he is some sort of exception. Perhaps he is. Because we've always lived on the same farm, I have the unique perspective of riding several performance breeds over the same terrain for 44 years. My TWH is the most athletic horse I've ever ridden and the very best mountain horse I've ever owned. I doubt he would get much of a dressage score. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Tonka - Blakkur fra Windwalker
Ignoring the horse - isn't that a totally HIDEOUS riding coat?? ; ) Mic I'm with you there Mic! Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Trimming Young Horses in Norway
They're so pretty! Can you imagine a farrier willing to go into a pen of loose young horses and work on one at a time? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Anyone using a treed saddle anymore?
I ride in treed saddles
[IceHorses] Trimming Young Horses in Norway
This video shows trimming a group of young horses in Norway: http://youtube.com/watch?v=08hoR3L3enM Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re: Barn pics
I don't have a barn named after me, although the pics I sent in are pics of the Karen model! :) We did our layout too, and went over it with the rep, who made suggestions, and gave us prices for options. Here's the website of the people who did mine. http://www.hooverbuildings.com/buildings/barns.html They are a smaller, regional builder. We saw one they had built down the road from us and we were impressed. We got quotes from them, the builder who built our house, Morton, and one of the other major nationally known names. Same here. This guy, John, is a local builder, does all the building, and if you help him he knocks some money off. So I usually put in at least 4 hours a day w/ him, learned a lot about proper construction, and saved a bit of $$ to boot. The first day, after we'd bulldozed the old barn and leveled the site, he spent the ENTIRE day just planning--walking around the site, putting in stakes and planning how he'd do it. I was and still am very happy and impressed w/ him. I've also added some things--after Santana kicked a hole thru the metal wall (!) I added kickboards on my own. Thankfully he didn't hurt himself! I also added stall mats and of course painted the stall doors to match the rest of the barn. The only thing I'd change is the stall doors--I wish I'd gotten sliding doors instead of dutch, but at the time I insisted on dutch doors. But John has fixed the problems w/ them to the point where I can live w/ them now. Robyn S
[IceHorses] Re:Anyone using a treed saddle anymore?
I use everything they make. I use my favorite Crates Western saddle for ponying my two year old. I have an English Icelandic saddle I use when I want to ride English and now my favorite is my Treeless Sensation Hybrid saddle that I received a couple months ago. Couldn't ride without any of them. Lucky to have kept all my saddles through the years. - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more.
[IceHorses] Icelandic Horse Pictures
Various pictures of Icelandic Horses: http://www.pbase.com/flydra/image/72974201 http://www.pbase.com/flydra/image/73001619 http://www.pbase.com/image/2109319 http://www.pbase.com/image/2109318 http://www.pbase.com/image/26216624 http://www.pbase.com/image/84855108 http://www.pbase.com/image/59419908 http://www.pbase.com/image/8030339 http://www.pbase.com/image/70268751 http://www.pbase.com/image/71123724 http://www.pbase.com/gusmilla/image/51235772 http://www.pbase.com/image/2109320 http://www.pbase.com/kwalsh/image/2109321 Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Mouths and Nosebands
What do you think is happening here? Are the horses comfortable? Do they have free use of their heads and necks? Do you think that the shape of this horse's cervical vertebral chain (the horse closest to the camera) leaves room for his hyoid apparatus, parotid glands, as well as the other organs in that area, between the vertebrae and the jaw, if he is pulled into a frame? http://www.pbase.com/image/83650550 Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re:Anyone using a treed saddle anymore?
I ride in a wintec Icelandic on Lukka, and an ASTUND SPECIAL on Joli'. I tried treeless and it didn't work for me. Talk to your saddle fitter/massage equine person. They don't like treeless. If you can find a treed saddle to fit your horse and you, go with it. I am waiting for my custom endurance saddle from ABOUT THE HORSE. I can't wait!!! Try different wide english saddles. There are alot out there now in extra WIDE. NOT JUST THE GULLET. I showed David, ABOUT THE HORSE my Wintec Icelandic and he said it was ok! This list is very pro Sensation saddles AND TREELESS but remember it doesn't work for all horses or people.
RE: [IceHorses] Re:Anyone using a treed saddle anymore?
Talk to your saddle fitter/massage equine person. They don't like treeless. No, that's not always true. I was first steered towards a treeless saddle by an open-minded local saddle-fitter. She could have sold me a Stubben or another major brand, and she told me my Wintec wasn't working, and steered me towards a treeless Bob Marshall - Sensations and some other brands weren't available then. She didn't sell them, but she recommended them over the brands she did sell.There are also vets who use and recommend treeless saddles. Karen Thomas, NC Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1010 - Release Date: 9/15/2007 7:54 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Re:Anyone using a treed saddle anymore?
This list is very pro Sensation saddles AND TREELESS but remember it doesn't work for all horses or people. Absolutely! I showed David, ABOUT THE HORSE my Wintec Icelandic and he said it was ok! I'm glad that the Wintec fits your horse. Not all Icelandics will fit in that particular saddle. The shapes of the backs, three-dimensionally, are very different. http://iceryder.net/backshape.html But there's nothing like the horse having real freedom of movement in a treeless! I just found this quote today on a breeder's website, about a particular icelandic saddle: These are hand made saddles in Iceland by Icelandic saddles makers in a small shop in northern Iceland just for the Icelandic horse and for regular Icelandic folks. These are not generally sold out of Iceland as this small saddle shop is not particularly multilingual. Current prices on saddles from this shop are roughly $1,900 plus VAT taxes (well over $2k). Generally these saddles are a bit narrow and flat, and are considered close contact saddles. The saddles that are not quilted are even more so. If you want to get the most out of your Icelandic horse, I highly recommend saddles of this type over the mass produced factory saddles, that are much more common place today. I think this is somewhat deceiving. You might *think* that a saddle made in a small place might be good, but really there's a lack of technology, and an understanding of equine biomechanics which is needed to make a saddle that fits well. Personally, I think the icelandic saddles have never been *made* to fit Icelandic Horses, and have simply been put together most likely by copying something in Europe, with no design to include the (multi) shapes of the backs of the Icelandic Horse. And if you want to get the most out of your Icelandic Horse, you won't use an icelandic saddle, but will use something that fits your individual horse. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re: As Strong As A Lion, As Gentle As A Lamb
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Strong As A Lion, As Gentle As A Lamb By Jeffrey Rolo When watching an alpha mare or herd leader interact with members of his/her herd you will inevitably see the leader exhibit aggressive behavior, whether in the form of brute force or (more commonly) in the form of body language. If a subordinate grazes too closely to the leader without the leader's consent the follower finds out the error of his way in short time. Whereas this continual bullying behavior may seem excessive to us, it's important to realize it's a fact of life for a horse. It is their way, and to enjoy a healthy relationship with a horse it's better that you understand their customs and language (even if you instinctually disagree). Ok, I have been meaning to comment on this since this morning. I don't agree, not instinctually, or any other way:) I am certain that I heard Leslie Desmond say that if you look at a herd of horses, and there are alpha horses, for sure, but you will notice that none of the other horses really wants to be around that horse. I have definitely noticed this. I've seen some big butted mean mares, maybe they have a friend in the herd, but mostly I have seen the majority of the herd steer clear! There was a gelding, one in particular, a large Appy that Dari was turned out with, he would chase poor Dari, full on, and poor Dari would run as fast as his little legs would let him. I didn't see most of the herd taking up with that guy, in fact he sort of claimed Dari, in a domineering kind of way, and most every other individual would stay away. Is this what we are trying to get to?, not me. By the way, we are not horses, and can't really act like them, this doesn't mean we can't find an interspecies way to relate and cross those boundaries. Finally one day as my back was partially towards her she kicked me. Nothing that left more than a black and blue, and not a kick that had bad blood or mean intent behind it. Just a little strike with her front leg to let me know she was impatient and wanted her grain now. So did she get it? No! With that act she crossed the line from poor manners to an action that was outright disrespectful and could have hurt me. As much as I hated it, at that point I gave her a couple strong cracks with my hand, shouted my disappointment with her and sent her running. Ok, no, it may have gotten the job done, I am sure this is why people persist in this, but what else? Poor manner? Disrespectful? I'm not so sure about that, it's one way to catergorize it. I noticed the most amazing thing the other day. I was standing with Rose and Zoe by their feeding bin, late, late afternoon, we were all relaxed,they get along very well. I was standing between them, with my arm around Zoe's neck. Both had heavey eyelids, almost napping. Rose then turned her head back around toward Zoe, and made a nudging motion, but did not even touch her, maybe she did, but it was almost imperceptable. Zoe took a step back in response. Ultimate lightness! I quickly took my hand and moved it toward the same exact spot that Rose had motioned towards, barely touched Zoe, and she took another step back. Amazing! Now, I think that I have mentioned before that Zoe was recently taking her hoof and tapping me in the leg when I turn my back and give attention to another horse, like, Hey! I'm over here!, ok, she's really just wanting attention, wanting to connect with me, but it's not such a good move, I'm not as big, I'm a little scared that she will do when I'm bent over and she might hit my head. Ok. So, I decided I would clicker train her to shake, ok, she knows that. I have tried giving her a little whack (not like the one described above, more like a swat) it doesn't stop. I don't really want to take out the part where she wants to be with me. I love her, number one. We are friends. Ok, just some boundaries. I do think that I have mentioned before that Rose was doing some nipping and I found that if I softly, very politely pushed her head away from me, she stopped. She had not been doing this for some times now, after I asked her not to in this way, just a couple of times. Brilliant idea! I used this same technique to ask Zoe not to put her hoof on me, it seemed to have worked, she hasn't done it again, so far. I slowly, softly pushed her leg back down, in this way asking her not to do that. I also, with much intent, rewarded her by standing there, giving me a much less drastic sign that she wanted attention, by giving it to her for the more appropriate request. Maybe the horses aren't quite sure how to ask us for what they want sometimes, it seems like the right thing for them to do in their minds, just take time and think, and look at the horse as a friend, not an enemy, they are not big, scary, dangerous animals, they are friendly, social, kind
Re: [IceHorses] Re:Anyone using a treed saddle anymore?
No, that's not always true Honey, here we go. All you new Icelandic owners. Talk to your vet and your horse fitter/massage person.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: As Strong As A Lion, As Gentle As A Lamb
Whereas this continual bullying behavior may seem excessive to us, it's important to realize it's a fact of life for a horse. It is their way, Ok, I have been meaning to comment on this since this morning. I don't agree I agree with you; I think we can always find a way to do things better. I don't think we *have* to mimic an alpha horse. we are not horses, and can't really act like them, this doesn't mean we can't find an interspecies way to relate and cross those boundaries. Yes, I agree. We aren't horses, and I don't think horses expect us to be horses. I think they can read us pretty good as we are, and we probably do not need four legs, eyes on the sides of our head, or pointed radar-type ears, for them to understand us. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Anyone using a treed saddle anymore?
On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 11:23:27AM -0700, Kristen Mikula wrote: So...is anyone on the list still riding an Icelandic in a treed English saddle? What is working for you? i love love love my hrimnir treed saddle. it fits stjarni beautifully, and it's extremely comfortable. sadly for me, it's designed for folks with longer legs than mine (i'm about 5'1) and i can't *quite* get my legs under me in it. i still use it sometimes for idle hacking around, though i need a more-adjustable saddle to get proper position. i like my sensation (actually i am trialing my second sensation, as the first one -- the dressage model -- also turns out to be too long in the flap for me) very well, but i still wish the hrimnir came in a smaller seat size. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Fall haircuts
Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sina, Skjoni and Melnir. I forgot to get pics of Trausti and Melnir. Karen Thomas, NC You did a beautiful job. Your lines are so straight. I have to do something like that to Nanna soon, but, first she has to get desensitized to the clippers.
Re: [IceHorses] Anyone using a treed saddle anymore?
Okay, let me rephrase my question: I am looking for a place/brand to start looking for a new saddle for my gelding. Is anyone using a treed dressage or all purpose saddle on their Icelandic sucessfully and would you be willing to share the brand name with me? Unfortunately the Sensation treeless did not work for me otherwise I would be headed that route. -Kristen in MI Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic Horse Pictures
Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Various pictures of Icelandic Horses: Those are beautiful pictures. I especially like the one that ends in 108.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: As Strong As A Lion, As Gentle As A Lamb
On 03/10/2007, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree. We aren't horses, and I don't think horses expect us to be horses. I think they can read us pretty good as we are, and we probably do not need four legs, eyes on the sides of our head, or pointed radar-type ears, for them to understand us. I think once they realize that we don't have our ears plastered against our heads in a mean way ... we are actually rather pleasant. My Gusti...man oh man...I've made mistakes and blunders with him. But he seems to put up with it. I think he knows I've always had his best interests at heart. We have a nice bond. Like tonight when everyone is nosing around in their feed tubs, grubbing out the last morsel. Gusti rushes up behind me before I reach the gate to leave for the eveningwhen I stopped and turned to find out what he wanted...all he did was lay his forehead against my chest. You can't buy that... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Anyone using a treed saddle anymore?
On 03/10/2007, Kristen Mikula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for a place/brand to start looking for a new saddle for my gelding. Is anyone using a treed dressage or all purpose saddle on their Icelandic sucessfully and would you be willing to share the brand name with me? Friends of ours use treed saddles on both their Icelandics. They had them custom made, I believe the brand name was Stubben. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Mugging
That little nipping that has started with Willie/Segull now that he is gelded and I have made a pet out of him has bothered me. When he was a stallion I never fed him anything by hand, like his carrots were in his food. He never as a stallion offered to nip me ever. Now here I have this pony that I hug and kiss on and feed treats to that wants to play with me. He is not respecting my space evidently or my dominance over him. What do you think? Sylvia Maybe Cherie can jump in on this one. Judy I didn't see the beginning of this. Is he nipping at your hand or other parts of you? How long did you have him before he was gelded? Did he respect your space before? What else is he doing that you don't like? Many horses can be fed treats and still be very gentle. Others get very excited when a hand reaches toward them and they grab for it. Horses like that benefit from clicker training. I know...if he already nips would a treat-based training technique work? Yes! The first thing you do with clicker training is to show the horse that mugging will not get a treat. The horse has to hear a click and the reward is always delivered in a safe manner from an outstretched arm or by asking the horse to back up a step first. I can go into more detail off list or you can go to the clicker list and check the archives. Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Mugging
In a message dated 10/3/2007 8:15:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Cherie, I have had him since he was eight months old. He is nipping at other parts of my body not just my hands, he wants to nip my shirt from the back while I am cleaning the area. His area is huge and he is the only horse I have. I think this might be a problem. I am now the toy. He wants to pinch a thigh or what ever. He is not being mean, I think he is trying to play. He shakes his head and does a little dance also when I talk sweet to him. Maybe not so much teeth it is lips sort of, but I know this leads to teeth. He lost his stall mate when I sold my QH that got huge. They played all the time. He cried for weeks for him and I had to go sit with him so that he would not feel alone. Now I am it. My other horse has been gone a month or so now. I have a filly coming but she won't be here until November or December possibly since my Champion girl is having pups. Also I know he is not proud cut I picked them up and away they went. He has allowed me to clean his sheath and never a problem before when he was a stallion. Not a problem now either. But I am always watching the mouth. How about a little lunge line and trainer works horse type thing? I probably over did the love and hugs a bit. But the difference in when he was a stallion I was pat and good boy and a scratch here and there but always mindful he was a stallion. Taking him for walks back then was a challenge he wanted to see all the mares in this country area. Now he is the pony I dreamed of as a kid. I wipe his eyes and nose and scratch him and give him back rubs after I sit on him or ride. I taught him what cookie meant. Sylvia ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [IceHorses] Trimming Young Horses in Norway
what a brave trimmer. cute ponies. ;]
Re: [IceHorses] Re:Anyone using a treed saddle anymore?
I really think this site is so pro treeless. Yes, we are. sometimes treed saddles work. As we have said previously, yes, they do. Treeless does not work for every person or every horse. I am a new Icelandic owner. We are so glad that you are enjoying your Icelandic Horses. New owners have a somewhat limited perspective of the big picture of the work that has been done to get to where we are now. It took a lot of work from a good group of people to get us to the point of being able to chose a saddle, treed or treeless, that fits your horse, so that you and your horse are happy, and not being restricted to having to have an icelandic saddle. Boy, it was pretty bad for a lot of the horses to have to be ridden in some of those saddles! These are horses. YES! You are free to say that now! We were not able to say that ten years ago, maybe five years ago, without someone saying you *had* to have an icelandic saddle, you *had* to have your horse shod, you *had* to buy an icelandic bridle from an Icelander or Iceland or it wasn't real... and Icelandic Horses were special, not like other horses, you *had* to Yes, it was like that... and you now have the opportunity to have more leeway, more knowledge, more freedom, to have your Icelandic Horse be a horse like any other horse; all because those who have gone before you did a lot of work to get there! :-) Joli isn't tolting... she had shoes on when she was in Icland and shoes ...I took them off, she stopped tolting I am gonna do is put the same type shoes on, which are heavier You are free to do what you'd like with your horse. Absolutely! It helps to understand about gait. Not speaking about your horse, but any Icelandic: Is the horse naturally gaited? Has the horse had any other changes? Does the horse really do a tolt? or something else? (I went to see a horse a few weeks ago, and the girl said the horse tolted, but she doesn't, it's a stepping pace, so a lot of people don't know which gait is which.) Does the horse only gait with shoes? If so, is that the best thing for the horse's long-term soundness? Was the horse ever taught (did the horse ever learn) to tolt? or was the horse just framed to tolt? There's so much involved in gait! Of course it's easy to nail it on, but I want my horses to last for a long time, not to suffer lameness, so I chose to bring out their natural abilities through education and not nails. Oh, were you going to send us videos? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
