[IceHorses] File - Editing, Responding to the List
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Re: [IceHorses] 15 min of fame
YES! And I feel strongly that every horse owner should learn to do this themselves. Be it vaccinations or pain medication or antibiotics - a horse owner should learn to administer these things painlessly. It is not difficult. Totally agree. We give our own shots, worming, flea stuff and medications for all our animals, horses, dogs, cats, sheep. Sally helps out clients with worming their horses, you would ne amazed on how many people really can not do that. First off I believe your animals are safer if you can do it yourself, and secondly we just could not have as many animals if we relied on the vet for every little thing...we even suture our our wounds here. We have even set our dogs leg when it was broken by a wild boar...once Sally saw it done at the vets office once, and we paid over $300, she did it herself years later when our other JRT needed it. Saved a lot of time (as getting a vet in Hilo to come into the office on a sunday takes a lot of time, and Money) as she just set it immediatleywe have sutured wounds with regular suture material on our dogs and a horses top eyelid with super glue...it worked great, and you can not even tell there was a tear. Of course this level of intervention is not for everyone. Sally thinks about going to Vet school from time to time... Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] 15 min of fame
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:58:58 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: First off I believe your animals are safer if you can do it yourself, and secondly we just could not have as many animals if we relied on the vet for every little thing Trouble is, here the vet has to sign the passport saying the vaccination has been given, and if the vet hasn't signed it then it's not valid so you won't be allowed onto many show grounds, or to take part in IHSGB events as we follow Jockey Club rules for flu vaccination, ie one every 12 months, with vet verification. The most annoying thing is, if your horse goes just one DAY over the 12 months, even though he is still perfectly well covered, you have to start the course over again from scratch. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
[IceHorses] Links
I will be riding outdoors this winter since I won't have an indoor riding arena after we move and I hate to be cold--so what do you all wear under a helmet, what's the warmest socks, do you wear an Icelandic winter riding suit or skidoo suit? What gloves are best? If you have any links to sites online that are best to buy from I'd appreciate it! Thanks! V
[IceHorses] Re: Links
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be riding outdoors this winter since I won't have an indoor riding arena after we move and I hate to be cold--so what do you all wear under a helmet, what's the warmest socks, do you wear an Icelandic winter riding suit or skidoo suit? What gloves are best? If you have any links to sites online that are best to buy from I'd appreciate it! I've tried helmet covers and ear covers and I don't like them. Finally I outfitted my ski helmet w/ a visor and I ride in that. It's very warm and they're not too expensive, no more than a regular riding helmet. You can get a basic ski helmet for $40-50. Much warmer than any riding helmet I've ever had, and will protect your head just as well as any riding helmet. Robyn S
[IceHorses] Re: Links
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be riding outdoors this winter since I won't have an indoor riding arena after we move and I hate to be cold--so what do you all wear under a helmet, I'm not sure if anything would fit under a helmet, would it? what's the warmest socks, do you wear an Icelandic winter riding suit or skidoo suit? You should look at Moutain Horse http://www.mountainhorse.se/page.php?id=4 ...they seem to have some nice cold weather riding clothes. I think you can find stores that sell their things on their website, online sources and local sources. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] 15 min of fame
The most annoying thing is, if your horse goes just one DAY over the 12 months, even though he is still perfectly well covered, you have to start the course over again from scratch. I know at least at the AKC dog shows and events, you can give the shots yourself if you tape the the vaccine bar number on the vet records of the dog in question.I guess in America we still have a lot of freedoms, but those might be dwindling with the NAIS goverment thing. Skye
Re: [IceHorses] Links
wear under a helmet, In the winters of AZ, I wore something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Arctiva-Polartec-Balaclava/dp/B000JRDCBS http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/216,56028_Wickers-Balaclava-Moisture-Wicking-Midweight-for-Men-and-Women.html which can be bought at a local bicycle shop. It's thin material, worn under a bicycle helmet. what's the warmest socks, do you wear an Icelandic winter riding suit or skidoo suit? What gloves are best? Info on winter riding: The most effective way to stay comfortable is to dress in layers. This is also most efficient in terms of what you have to buy and it gives you the flexibility to remove layers as the day warms up or as you warm from exertion. A rule of thumb that most experienced winter riders follow is that if you are warm and comfy the first few miles, you are over-dressed. As a minimum, you will need long tights or wind pants, full-finger gloves, wool socks, a wind shell or light jacket, long-sleeved polypro undershirt, balaclava or headband that covers your ears, and a neck gaitor (usually not needed with a balaclava). Note: a balaclava is a ski-mask-like garment that covers the head, neck and part of the face with a cutout provided for eyes and nose. Some people will add polypro or silk tights under their riding tights in really cold weather. I use tights with a brushed inside texture that gives added warmth and have never needed anything else down to under 20°. Long-sleeved jerseys are also nice to have for those not-so-cold days and to wear under your wind shell. My typical upper body layers for the colder days will include a polypro undershirt (don't wear cotton next to your skin in winter, it will absorb perspiration and make you colder), a wool or synthetic sweater and a light wind shell. It's amazing how warm this will make you. I do sometimes wear a cotton blend sweatshirt, but I always wear polypro next to my skin. On not-so-cold days, I sometimes wear a short-sleeved jersey over the polypro undershirt. The wool socks mentioned above will make a big difference in how warm your feet are, but if you are like me, the feet are the hardest part to keep warm. In very cold weather, I add thin polypro sock liners and booties (neoprene covers worn over shoes). I've also learned that covering your head helps keep your feet and hands warm. Strange, but true. Up to 70% of your body heat can be lost through your head and neck. A balaclava is the perfect solution! Booties are the best solution for cold feet on the coldest days. Some think they are too warm and cause the feet to perspire, but I've not had that problem. Just as with the upper body, don't wear cotton next to your skin on your feet. Merino wool or polypro are the best choices. Maybe those who complain about wet feet with booties don't follow this rule. There are also shoe covers (neoprene items that cover just the toes) for not-so-cold days. These are great when it's not cold enough for booties, but too cold to not cover the mesh on your shoes. Polypro or silk glove liners are also handy. I wear them under my cut-off gloves when the weather is just a bit cool and under my full-finger gloves when it gets really frigid. ___ Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Staying Warm for Winter Riding
Clothing for Winter Riding By Cherry Hill The biggest challenge for a rider in winter is staying warm. Here are some tested tips that can help make your winter riding more comfortable and enjoyable. 1. Select fabrics carefully. Some fibers make you feel toasty and comfortable while others make you feel cold and clammy. [] Cotton absorbs perspiration and does not retain insulating properties when wet so is not the best choice for very cold riding. [] Silk doesn't retain soil or odor yet absorbs up to 33 percent of its weight in moisture without feeling damp. It is ideal for under layers because it is thin yet very warm. [] Polyester is good as a thin under layer and fluffy insulation. [] Wool is lightweight, absorbs up to 16-18 percent of its weight, and retains its insulating properties even when wet; it can be itchy. [] Down, depending on the grade, can be light, resilient, and provide good insulation. [] Cordura nylon is lightweight, durable, abrasion resistant, and rot and mildew proof so it is good for outer layers. [] Gore-Tex has pores that block water penetration but allow for perspiration evaporation. It is windproof, waterproof, and breathable. 2. Plan for perspiration release. Choose necklines with zippers or buttons. Select fabrics that move moisture away from your body and release it. Silk, open-weave fabrics, and treated polyester wick moisture away from your body. The drier you stay, the warmer you will be. 3. Use layering. Layering traps air which keeps cold out and body heat in. You can peel off layers as you exercise and avoid overheating, soggy clothes, and subsequent chill. Use an under layer to handle perspiration, a middle layer to provide insulation, and an outer layer to cut the wind and provide protection from precipitation. 4. Dress according to your activity level. Is your riding passive, active, or very active? Trail riding at the walk is passive, so extremities (fingers and toes) may get cold from decreased circulation. Cross-country galloping is very active for the rider and rarely results in coldness during reasonable environmental conditions. If you are cold, you can increase your activity level. Move from a jog into a posting trot, or get off and lead your horse to restore the blood flow in your legs and arms. If you are too warm, decrease your activity level temporarily, gradually vent body heat, or remove a layer. 5. Carry compact, lightweight accessories. When appropriate, take along added protection such as a neck gaiter, scarf, extra gloves or socks. They take little space in your pockets or saddle bags but can make a real difference in your comfort. 6. Avoid tight clothing. Pressure on surface capillaries from tight garments will slow circulation and decrease body warmth. Loose clothing traps fluffy layers of air which act as insulation. 7. Target problem areas. [] Seat. Use a sheepskin saddle seat cover. The fibers of the sheepskin and the air trapped between them warms up much more quickly than cold stiff saddle leather. [] Feet. Start with warm, dry boots, warm feet, and don't impair your circulation by tight boots or socks that are too small. Use a thin sock liner with a medium weight wool outer-sock. This provides wicking, insulation, and cushion. Choose boots that fit well but are not the least bit tight. Even slight pressure will cut off circulation and result in cold feet. Good winter riding boots have an inner layer of perspiration-wicking material. Often the insole is removable to allow drying. The middle layer should act as a mediator between perspiration and the snow and slush. The outer layer should be durable yet breathable. If your toes get especially cold, you can use tapaderos which are stirrup covers. [] Hands. If your riding doesn't require intricate rein aids, use fluffy, lightweight polyester-filled gloves. If you ride with precise contact, use a pair of thin glove liners under a pair of slightly over-sized leather riding gloves. For temperatures around thirty degrees Fahrenheit, cross-country ski gloves, often a blend of warm fabrics and leather, provide grip and warmth. [] Head. Don't be negligent in your choice of headgear you can lose a great deal of precious body heat through your head. And always ride with a protective helmet the winter ground is especially hard! When the weather is below freezing, and especially if there is wind, choose an insulated hat/helmet with a tight outer cover to deter heat loss from convection by the wind. A hat with ear and forehead flaps will save you if the weather changes for the worse mid-ride. During storms, a western hat's brim protects you from freezing rain or snow, but leaves your ears unprotected. Improvise with a hood/neck gaiter, a ski balaclava, or specialized western hat ear flaps. Protect yourself from Ultra-Violet rays. If you don't you may be get an increased dose from the glare off the snow. Brimmed hats provide some
Re: [IceHorses] What gait Hunter?
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay folks - what gait is Hunter doing here? I do not think it is a pure trot. I had to lighten it up some to see which rear leg is where, and my guess would be a fox trot. Diagonals are working together, but not equally. We had an outstanding time on a very tough 30 mile endurance ride. He finished fifth, even after we blindly followed a riding friend off on a wrong track and added two miles to the trail. Congratulations! I'm so jeleous! Which ride was it? Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] What gait Hunter?
This was Limestone Challenge near Cave Junction, OR. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Links
-Original Message- From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Virginia Tupper Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 11:35 AM I will be riding outdoors this winter since I won't have an indoor riding arena after we move and I hate to be cold--so what do you all wear under a helmet, . If you have any links to sites online that are best to buy from I'd appreciate it! -- You can look at http://icefarm.com/tackstore/cat2.html Then click on Apparel. The last item on the page is a fleece helmet cover that keeps your head, ears and neck warm. Phil Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Links
Hi Virginia, I have a limit as far as temp goes...if it's more than -10...I don't go out. But when I do, and I want to stay toasty...I wear my cartharts. Not very fashionable, but they get the job done. However, I wouldn't want to stop on the trail and try get on again without a crane. ;) I went to a ski shop and bought one of those little beany things to wear under my helmet. It keeps my ears warm, but I find my chin gets cold. So something like the link Judy sent with the fleece face thing looks interesting. Though fleece alone doesn't do a thing for me, I need something wind proof with the fleece and then I think that would be perfect. I have my little mother knitting me pure wool socks even as we speak. My boots are big enough that I can put a few layers of socks in. My hands are what give me grief though, so if someone has some great glove ideas that they find work. Please pass on the info... AND if you're riding in the cold, you have to have a place for Gat and Orri to dry off. Let them have a good roll in the snow and then pop them in a shelter with a wool cooler on to help them dry. But my hands...I'm interested in hearing any suggestions for good gloves... Wanda
[IceHorses] More on our farrier
I have to say that Dennis is one very interesting dude. He left a handful of us just about speechless telling us about his life one year at Headwaters. One story, he was on St. Helens planting trees for the forestry when it erupted and barely made it out alive. That incident made him realize how he should live life to its fullest, so that next Fall he went into the wilderness to live one year all by himself. Just him and an animal skin coat and barely anything else. Made a teepee and lived like Jeriamiah Johnson thru winter. He had some other very fascinating tales about that year. Of course many of us have seen him in the wee hours at ridecamp walking around naked. Only at an endurance ride is that just perfectly ok. ---Karla I did ask him if it was cold up there and he went off into explanations about wind chill factors. He was fully clothed when we talked at the finish. Nancy
[IceHorses] Sundowner Trailer - One of a Kind
Cute...one of a kind Sundowner Trailer http://tinyurl.com/2h94yx Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Sundowner Trailer - One of a Kind
On 10/7/07, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cute...one of a kind Sundowner Trailer http://tinyurl.com/2h94yx Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Looks like some kind of clone of a Brenderup! Ferne
Re: [IceHorses] Sundowner Trailer - One of a Kind
Cute...one of a kind Sundowner Trailer http://tinyurl.com/2h94yx Is that a space ship for horses? Lorraine Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
