Re: [IceHorses] desert pics
> little rock in the north Atlantic, but they are sure > adaptable. > They seem happy here. They don't mind the heat. They hardly ever use their shelter in the summer. Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] more desert pics
> > Who is Ted riding? > Ted is riding Dagur. > How long does it take the big suguaros(sp?) till > they > get their "arms". I noticed a lot of them (if that > is > the same cactus) without arm in your pics. > The more arms they have, the older they are. I don't know how long it takes them. Lorraine Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com
Re: Re: [IceHorses] Icetölt -Grettir
>>> What I don't understand is why they are exported to places where they >>> are not "needed". Why on earth does someone arrange an icetölt in an >>> indoor arena? I've often wondered that. In most of the USA, lakes and ponds don't freeze deep enough to support human skaters, much less the weight of horses. It seems just bizarre to me to have to rent an arena to ride in a way that isn't good for the horses, when there are often good alternative ways to ride. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Trail or Arena
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 09:34:45PM -, Judy Ryder wrote: > That is exactly how it was with me and my baby sister. I was on the > trails and she was doing dressage and jumping. > > I could not understand why she would want to be stuck in an arena, and > she couldn't understand what was of interest on the trails! > > As time passed, I got a little bit of interest in working in the > arena, and she got more interest in trail riding. i've honestly never cared that much about what we were doing, i get the big stupid grin of being ON A HORSIE and i am instantly ten years old and the happiest kid in the world. if the horse is having fun -- and depending on the horse, in the last four years this has meant arena jumping, trails, dressage, the beach, parades, all kinds of different things -- then i am more than likely having fun, too. maybe it is easier if your only sib is terrified of horses ;) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Bagging up
oh that is too prescious Lynne! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
>>> The way Icelandics traditionally are ridden running walk probably is not >>> very common? If I'm not totally mistaken it's difficult to keep a horse >>> in running walk when it's tense and ridden for lift so it kind of >>> automatically becomes at least "rackish". I believe you've got that right, Krisse. But, maybe Judy will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Lee Z said when her father (Colonel Bradbury I think is his name) visited Iceland and studied the horses (maybe in the 1950's?) that he saw a good bit of running walk then - which tells me the riding style was likely different then.Which doesn't surprise me one bit that he saw running walk, because when I train and ride my Icelandics to find their own balance in a relaxed way, I think running walk and foxtrot are probably the two most common gaits I see in the breed...and I'm not complaining. There ARE gaited horses (especially in other breeds) who tend to rack (tolt) when ridden in a similar, unforced way, but I really and truly don't see much true rack in this breed. I have several horses here that I think COULD rack fairly easily if I'd hold them up just a little, but if they freely offer me saddle rack, foxtrot or running walk, I'm quite happy with that. >>> I think basically it is a continuum, but it goes two ways. From diagonal >>> to lateral but also from more feet to less feet being ground at one time >>> (which happens when speed increases but is not uniform in all horses). >>> Am I totally off the mark? Remember my only "hands on" experience with >>> gaited horses is with Icelandics in Finland mostly (if not exclusively) >>> trained and ridden in traditional Icelandic way. And I only found out >>> that other gaited breeds exist about 15 years ago. I've never heard it phrased that way - a continuum from diagonal to lateral, yes, I think that's a valid way to think of it - a two-dimensional continuum. If you've figured this much out and have mainly watched traditionally trained/ridden from reading Lee's book...and with English not being your native language in which to read Lee's book, you're doing VERY well. It's taken me a long time to figure out as much as I have, and I've been around gaited horses for most of my life - only owning them for 20-ish years though. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: Re: [IceHorses] Icetölt
>What I don't understand is why they are exported to places where they are >not "needed". Why on earth does someone arrange an icetölt in an indoor >arena? < Hi Krisse, We are on the same page there. I don't get it either. And further, I don't get why people in other countries (like the US) think this type of indoor circus event is fostering a positive image both for the fanciers of the breed and the horses themselves.It just makes "us" look like we don't give a fig about our horses and they need a cheap gimmick to be noticed or impressive. I mean, won't ANY horse be able to run around on ice if you nail the right ice caulks on??The Icelandic breed can't tolt on ice without the "ice nails", so it's not like the breed has specially evolved feet which enable it to do so or something. And we have all these lovely indoor arenas around the country with nice, normal footing on which to hold winter events. It's all a matter of applying traction devices -- just like people did in the horse and buggy days during the winter when they had to in order to get around.I don't see the "fantastic-ness" of it at all, but lots of non-horsemen find it amusing to watch I guess. -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Progress?
Some interesting stuff from the FEIF Education Committee meeting ". . . Emphasis on instructors to teach not just riding but also horsemanship!" I've been chewing on this statement. What is riding versus what is horsemanship?Have you guys ever thought about this? -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Lilja says howdy!
On 27/03/2008, Cherie Mascis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sigh! It is just so hard to get a serious photo of my horses (and this is > the so-called mature one)! > > Cherie Cute! Cherie, what is she wearing a halter or bitless bridle? I want one exactly like that for my guys... Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Lilja says howdy!
Janice I think you're right about her looking like Lilly Tomlin doing Edith Ann! Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM
[IceHorses] Prince of Prance
Dr. Ritter and one of his horses: Story: http://www.yakimaherald.com/stories/2709 Video: http://video.ap.org/v/Default.aspx?g=64bf8a6e-6afb-4d52-9437-bd3306cd246b Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Bagging up
> > My Mini-Aistralian Shephard bitch had a false pregnacy and adopted a > tiny rescue kitten I had just gotten. Several years later, the false > pregnancies happen with each heat cycle and she and the [now adult] > kitten still act out their fantasies; That is really cute. Actually, vastly cuter than either a rubber duck or a walnut. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Bagging up
> > Too funny. Did she proceed to throw it back up for the bridge ladies? I believe so, just like the stillborn pup she ate. It's a dog thing. Ann
Re: [IceHorses] Stikla
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dawn, is that Sparkle that you have now? I cannot find any previous message on the list about Sparkle but she is Bibi's sister as I have Stella, her mom. Would love to see a photo of her. Ann Cassidy
Re: [IceHorses] Bagging up
> Unfortunately she was staying at my mothers and did it during a bridge > luncheon. Too funny. Did she proceed to throw it back up for the bridge ladies? Nancy
[IceHorses] Stikla
Dawn, is that Sparkle that you have now? Judy
[IceHorses] Meredith Article-How Patterns Can Get You into Trouble
HOW PATTERNS CAN GET YOU INTO TROUBLE By Ron Meredith President, Meredith Manor International Equestrian Centre WAVERLY, WV--When you work in predictable patterns that create feelings of rhythm and relaxation, your horse begins to trust that you are a comfortable, safe place to be. You never surprise or startle the horse as you groom or lead or load him into a trailer or work under saddle because you always use a predictable, calm, rhythmic approach to whatever you do when you are with him. Predictability does not mean that you always ask the horse to do certain things certain ways and never vary those patterns. The feeling you create between you and the horse is the part that must be consistent. The horse must feel that you are consistent and predictable when you show, ask, or tell him things. He can rely on you to be the same no matter where the two of you go or what you do. You always work around him in a rhythmic, relaxed, calm way. You always breath, scratch, brush, saddle or whatever in a relaxed and rhythmic way. You apply your riding aids in a rhythmic, relaxed, consistent way. Whenever you work with the horse, you always keep your temper and you always make the horse feel like being with you is the safest place he can be. Always doing the same thing the same way can create predictable performance patterns. Sometimes that can be a good thing. Sometimes not. Instructors prize an oldie oldie school horse that knows its job. The horse will pack a beginner around the ring and perform perfectly regardless of the rider's mistakes. Years ago, we had a horse named Mama. She knew the show ring drill so well that we rented her out at shows to other people who wanted to ride and get a ribbon and go home happy. Mama's understanding of predictable patterns was a desirable thing when she was packing those so-so riders. But it could have been a problem if a really good rider had taken her into a class and asked her to pay attention to a new pattern set by the rider's aids. The same thing can happen when a dressage rider tries to ride a new test after drilling a particular one so often that the horse does it on autopilot. If your horse gets accustomed to workouts that always last the same amount of time, or that always take place in the same arena, or that always involve the same buddy going along for the ride, he will notice when the program changes. The result may be confusion or confrontation or something in between depending on his temperament. Predictable performance patterns can also lead to harm when you do not consider activity drive. Heredity plays a role in a horse's everyday activity drive. Hot-blooded horses like Arabs and Thoroughbreds display more natural activity drive than cold-blooded horses. Horses at play demonstrate their natural activity drive by practicing their defense mechanisms like running, bucking and rearing. How long a horse will play and practice depends partly on heredity and partly on his physical condition. As we bring any horse into better and better physical condition so he can play games like dressage or jumping or reining or cutting, we increase the level of his activity drive. After a horse exercises, his activity drive builds for approximately 3 to 5 days. After that, his activity drive and physical condition start to drop off. If you take a horse that has just been standing around all winter to a strange place and turn him loose, he may display a huge amount of activity drive for a short time. But because he is not in good physical condition, he will not run and posture for very long. If you take a horse in top physical condition and leave him in a stall for three days, when you finally come to take him out, his activity drive makes him feel like playing longer and harder. Some people create a predictable turnout pattern that works against them. They always turn the horse loose to spend activity drive before they saddle up and ride. Or they always take the horse off the trailer and turn him out when they arrive at a showground after a long haul. You invite injuries when you turn a horse with a high level of activity drive loose to buck and play before his muscles warm up. If you are showing the horse, he may spend so much of his activity drive playing that he does not have enough left to compete well. Some people are afraid of their horse's activity drive so they want the horse to spend it before they get in the saddle. They way they go about it, however, does not create a predictable feeling that they are the safest place for the horse to be. They put the horse in a round pen or arena and then they do something to startle the horse and get him going. They might make a loud noise shaking rocks in a plastic jug. Or they might use aggressive body language or chase him around with a whip to wear him out. From the horse's perspective, this is a confrontation and the handler is an aggressor. The horse learns that when he is turned loose in an arena, he had
[IceHorses] Trail or Arena
> I don't think you could have made me believe (in my old dressage days) that > I could be having this much fun riding on mountain trails. It is SO much > more fulfilling than trying to make perfectly round circles. That is exactly how it was with me and my baby sister. I was on the trails and she was doing dressage and jumping. I could not understand why she would want to be stuck in an arena, and she couldn't understand what was of interest on the trails! As time passed, I got a little bit of interest in working in the arena, and she got more interest in trail riding. Judy
Re: [IceHorses] more desert pics
Love those pics!! Who is Ted riding? How long does it take the big suguaros(sp?) till they get their "arms". I noticed a lot of them (if that is the same cactus) without arm in your pics. Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] Bagging up
> > > My greyhound bitch had a false pregnancy once. She seemed to think she > had delivered a walnut, which she mothered for about a week. It was hard to > know whether to laugh or cry. I had a dog that had a number of false pregnancies and during the first one she found a little rubber ducky that she carried all around. I would give it back to her during subsequent false pregnancies. Finally when her milk dried up, or so she thought , she ate it. Unfortunately she was staying at my mothers and did it during a bridge luncheon. Ann Cassidy
Re: [IceHorses] Icetölt -Baugur
! Give me my gaited trail horses any > day, these days. :) I don't think you could have made me believe (in my old dressage days) that I could be having this much fun riding on mountain trails. It is SO much more fulfilling than trying to make perfectly round circles. Bev was laughing with me the other day because Tosca and I were at the tail end of a small group of horses that were trotting up a hilly and curving section of trail. For some reason, I was having so much fun I was laughing out loud. Later she said, "Riding Tosca gave me that same feeling of joy." I do remember, however, that riding a well executed extended trot was quite a high. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Bagging up
> > I had one mare that did a false pregnancy (something horses aren't > supposed to do) -- she slimmed down as soon as her pasture mate had > *her* foal. My greyhound bitch had a false pregnancy once. She seemed to think she had delivered a walnut, which she mothered for about a week. It was hard to know whether to laugh or cry. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Icetölt -Baugur
>>> If I remember right, we wanted our trotting horses to step up under >>> themselves when doing an extended trot too. It seems like the extension >>> was in the length of the stride. If I remember too, I think you're right. I think "extended trot" is another of the terms that has a different meaning in the dressage world versus the non-dressage world. I think there's some adage that in order to extend the trot, you have to have some degree of collection going on, which at first seems counter-intuitive. (Ok, who am I kidding - that idea STILL confuses me.) I think the first time "collected trot" is mentioned in competitive dressage tests is probably a level or two prior to "extended trot." I guess this isn't a biggie to us gaited horse owners, since we aren't obsessing over all the many flavors of trot: working trot, lengthened trot, medium trot, collected trot, extended trot, passage...then there's boiled trot, steamed trot, trot scampi, trot salad, fried trot, trot cocktail... (Sorry, I got on a Bubba Gump roll there...) Come to think about it, I'm not sure that learning all the soft-gaits is nearly as hard as learning the subtleties of trot. Anyway, I'm perfectly happy to stay well below that level of dressage - life's too short! Give me my gaited trail horses any day, these days. :) But, back to Baugur, no, I don't think he's even close to being collected. Lovely horse, just not collected. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: Re: [IceHorses] Icetölt -Grettir
Renee Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: one can certainly > understand how they came to be, given people were anxious to get together > and do something horse-related at the end of the long, dark Icelandic winter > and there were frozen lakes available in abundance. What I don't understand is why they are exported to places where they are not "needed". Why on earth does someone arrange an icetölt in an indoor arena? We have a similar event here, trot races on ice. Some are still arranged (partly perhaps for tradition) but they are becoming less I think because there are more "real tracks" that are maintained through winter. The frozen lake is not anymore the only even surface for racing. Krisse
Re: [IceHorses] Misinterpreting Observation
Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: There is one other > yahoo list, probably the next biggest English-based Icelandic list where the > owners and members go on and one about "free speech" and "open topics". The > irony? It is ALSO moderated, and selected posts that don't suit the owner > aren't allowed through. Moderation is one thing, but pretending the list is > open when it's not is the utmost in hypocrisy to me. Yes, I remember at least one discussion there about moderation and how members disapproved when Janice told she had been moderated and told not to post on the list anymore (even though not everyone of those members liked Janice's posts). But it's funny how different the same people seem on different lists. I've been on the other list for ages and through several changes in ownership (beginning with someone called Christopher if I remember correctly, must be about 10 years ago or more) and when reading only that list I actually thought Janice might be a troll like someone suggested (was it your post telling that she's not a troll but a respected member on another list? That's how I found my way here and also found out that many people from "previous" lists had ended up here :-). When thinking about Janice from the other list I only remember her telling everyone else how wrong we were and posting strange pictures. And that's really only a small part of Janice I see here, none of her positive sides showed there. I think sometimes we come through on these lists in very different way we think we do, because when reading we feel we are part of the group, we (think we) learn to know the other people on the list and that leads us to believe the others know us. And of course they don't. I know my wording and tone is sometimes very negative (unfriendly, know-it-all, argumentative etc.) on various forums and lists I'm on. But how people think about me in general depends if that is my only posting there (or one in just a few) or if they have read more positive posts from me previously. Krisse
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
I'm little late in answering this but I had no time to actually think this through before, at least not well enough to express myself in English... Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > Here's the problem... that is assuming tolt is the middle of a gait > spectrum, and it isn't. > You have a "trotty tolt", tolt, and a "pacey tolt". very limiting as > there is no room for running walk which IS the middle of the gait spectrum. I think it just tells that tölt is at point X and you can go either way there. The way Icelandics traditionally are ridden running walk probably is not very common? If I'm not totally mistaken it's difficult to keep a horse in running walk when it's tense and ridden for lift so it kind of automatically becomes at least "rackish". > But the gait spectrum is not like a reostat or a volume control, or a > slider. > > Progression is not sliding up and down the gait spectrum. > > There are several characteristics to each gait that do not lend the gait > spectrum to a reostat-like mechanism. I think basically it is a continuum, but it goes two ways. From diagonal to lateral but also from more feet to less feet being ground at one time (which happens when speed increases but is not uniform in all horses). Am I totally off the mark? Remember my only "hands on" experience with gaited horses is with Icelandics in Finland mostly (if not exclusively) trained and ridden in traditional Icelandic way. And I only found out that other gaited breeds exist about 15 years ago. > Check it out: tolt is one foot / two foot support how can we have a > "trotty" tolt? What would it look like in one-foot / two-foot support? That would be foxtrot with one-foot support? According to Lee Ziegler's book a common occurence in showring. > > How about this: If we base the whole gait spectrum and gait chart on fox > trot. Let's make the fox trot the middle of the gait spectrum... > because well, there's a whole lotta fox trotters out there and lots of > gaited horses fox trot, so it's an arbitrary choice. > > (Tongue in cheek): Then we make fox trot the perfect gait and tolt is an > aberation because it's a ventroflexed gait. It's hollow, and it has weird > pick up timing... very odd, no other gaits have that type of pick up and set > down; it must be faulty. Let's call it a triple faulty fox trot. OK? Sure. I have no problem with that if foxtrot is the "default gait". We could have trotty fox trot when it gets too diagonal (just slightly broken trot) and then a huge area of pacy foxtrot (starting to be really pacy from running walk but close to running walk would probably already be considered a bit "off"). And then there would be one-foot support fox trot, not acceptable. Or would it be that also "one-foot support fox trot" would be ridden and not penalised in shows and everyone outside the "show world" is asking each other why that is fox trot when fox trot is defined as having two-foot/three-foot support? :D > The icelandic-style wording and concept of gaits isn't advanced enough to > have room for all that is. What happens in other languages when they do not > have a word to use for a new item? They assume and integrate the English > word, which is what we are doing here. It's only logical since we are > leading the way in gait information. Looking from "outside" it's only a matter of degree of imperfection. If there are about 100 possible symmetrical gaits and horses do at least 50 of them English is still way short of words. If saddle rack with one-foot support becomes rack what are the corresponding words for example for running walk or fox trot with one-foot support (I think LZ used the name fox rack in her book but it sounds a bit illogical, because the word "rack" also exists in "saddle rack" where it has nothing to do with one-foot support)? Or if it's only hind legs doing one foot support? Why don't these gaits need their own words? Krisse
Re: [IceHorses] iceponies looking for homes
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Karen, > Of course, I just knew that I didn't have very many from Flekkur - can't > think of who else besides Reddi but there could have been a couple. I don't think they were ones from Flekkur. There were several that said fra Icelandic Horse Farm and I thought they were yours... Maybe not... Ferne
RE: [IceHorses] Bagging up
Let's see the foal mobile! Bia
Re: [IceHorses] Bagging up
> The other mare was seen by a newly minted equine vet. He felt the > first > ultrasound suggested she was bred. Then he did another one and said > she was > NOT bred. She certainly looks like she's carrying a foal, but her > owner > decied to wait and see rather than doing a third ultrasound. If she's that far along, nominally, the next thing to do would be a palpation -- hard to miss a full term foal when you stick your arm in. I had one mare that did a false pregnancy (something horses aren't supposed to do) -- she slimmed down as soon as her pasture mate had *her* foal. Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/
Re: [IceHorses] Lilja says howdy!
> > Sigh! It is just so hard to get a serious photo of > my horses (and this is > the so-called mature one)! > AA. Very cute. Lorraine Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] New Horse
> Here's Janice's new horse; short and doesn't weigh > much. He has crooked legs from mechanic aids, but > does a nice piaffe: > Someone sent me that already.. It is totally creepy. Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] Icetölt -Baugur
In other > words, he is "strung out" in more of an extended trot, not gathered up in > a > collected trot. If I remember right, we wanted our trotting horses to step up under themselves when doing an extended trot too. It seems like the extension was in the length of the stride. Nancy, in Oregon where we're experiencing mud of great depth and quality
Re: [IceHorses] Progress?
>Some interesting stuff from the FEIF Education Committee meeting < Thanks for sharing this with us Mic. I found this statement, or the wording of it interesting: >We need to discuss and negotiate the question: what is good riding?< I wondered if they meant to use the word, "navigate" instead of "negotiate"? When I hear the word negotiate, I think more in terms of concessions, compromises, give and take stuff.In that context, is good riding negotiable? I know everyone will have their own opinion as to what good riding entails (hence the polarity between the NH camp and the European-influenced riding camp within the Icelandic breed). But to me, it is a relatively simple matter of determining if the riding is giving priority to the horse first and foremost, or the human's ego first and foremost. The same can be said in deciding what is good training. -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Icetölt -Baugur
first it´s two pic´s of Baugur frá Vidinesi a stallion that I like he´s building and leg´s. the Rider is Mette Manseth teacher at Hólar. Baugur is going for export to Norway this summer I think. Thought´s anyone? Is he collected or not? No, not collected because he's definitely tolting (racking) in the first picture. And in the second, where he's trotting, I still don't see collection because his topline is shorter than his "belly line", his hocks (back legs) are out behind him instead of moving beneath his belly, and tells me his pelvis is not tucked under him either as with a truly collected horse, AND it looks like he has a bit of speed going on there.In other words, he is "strung out" in more of an extended trot, not gathered up in a collected trot. But he's gorgeous -- and I'm not a big fan of pintos. : ) Now, is there no mud in Iceland so a horse with so much white stays so clean!!?! Or maybe the mud is all frozen solid yet, like the lake. : ) -- Renee M. in Michigan dreading the Spring mud
Re: [IceHorses] Icetölt -Grettir
Hi Malin, Okay, here's the disclaimer: I detest icetolts, but at least in Iceland, the horses run on a straight line (right?) and one can certainly understand how they came to be, given people were anxious to get together and do something horse-related at the end of the long, dark Icelandic winter and there were frozen lakes available in abundance. That said: I like this stallion the best of the three. Don't know why, just like him. To me, and maybe it's an optical illusion because of the dark color versus the lighter two -- he looks like he has more substance to him. Also, did you notice the odd phase of gait the camera caught the chestnut, "Kasper" stallion in?It looks like the back right leg and front left leg are on the ground, so probably supposed to be a "trot", but the raised legs are not matching.And this horse has the getting-to-be classic, above the 90 degree angle knee action which tells me he's more than likely been manipulated in his lift. I think I would like him if he was more natural, but the way he is now, it's hard to tell how he REALLY would be for a breeding horse gait-wise. So. . . are you ready for Spring?!?! We had an inch of new snow on the ground this morning. . . YUCK! -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Lilja says howdy!
- Original Message - From: "Cherie Mascis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I love that photo! : ) -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] desert pics
Lorraine, Your pictures are awesome. Isn't it wild all the varying terrain Icelandics find themselves on all over the United States? I mean, we have Icelandics trapsing across Florida swampland, negotiating around Cactii in the desert, running on the beach in California, and gliding through woodland trails other parts of the country -- just to name a few examples.They may have "evolved" on a little rock in the north Atlantic, but they are sure adaptable. -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Bagging up
Maja is bagging up, but no signs of anything imminent yet. I can hardly wait for the baby pictures. There's one foal - well maybe two - due at Creekside this year and that mare is due today. The other mare was seen by a newly minted equine vet. He felt the first ultrasound suggested she was bred. Then he did another one and said she was NOT bred. She certainly looks like she's carrying a foal, but her owner decied to wait and see rather than doing a third ultrasound. Nancy
[IceHorses] Bagging up
Maja is bagging up, but no signs of anything imminent yet. She is due April 2 based on a 342 day gestation, but she went more like 350 days with Kola. Flekka is technically due April 9. I'm putting them in the foaling paddocks at night so I can watch them more easily. I've been sleeping in the Foalmobile for about a week so they will be accustomed to me being close by when the time comes.It appears to me that all is going well and on schedule - I sure hope it continues. I'm never really comfortable until all the foals are here, safe and healthy. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Progress?
h. very interesting! Some fraught with much promise, some fraught with much danger but definitely is a reflection that people desire change! I think this is a very good sign! a beginning yes, definitely! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Lilja says howdy!
That is too cute!! oh my gosh we gotta do captions "pssst, hey you guys! Don't tell roka I hid the nicker makers!" or "Hello?!?! Has anybody ever tried tunneling outa here??" or "Cherie is gonna send this pic of me in for the Mister Ed movie re-make" or "I've got a gig this weekend pole dancing out by the freeway, dont tell cherie..." or "I flying paced once when Cherie was in bed, don't tell anybody" She talks like Lily Tomlin doing Edith Ann... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] New Horse
HAHAHA! If i had im I could make him help me pony nasi. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] New Horse
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's Janice's new horse; short and doesn't weigh much. He has crooked legs > from mechanic aids, but does a nice piaffe: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww > That gave me the creeps--it reminds me more of a spider and if I saw that coming towards me in the woods I'd probably run!\ V
[IceHorses] Re: training versus retraining - Stoic versus opinionated
> Lots of people are dyslexic, Tom Cruise for one...and there always have been > people afflicted with it...it was just never diagnosed when I was in > school. > > I know a few of the boys in my class had trouble reading, but I always > thought they were just the brightest kids...the most fun to hang out with > :). > > Nowadays kids get diagnosed when they have difficulties and get the proper > help. Thank heaven for progress in our school systems... Most of my family are dyslexic. My mum taught dad to read when he was 21. My son didn't get help at school because they didn't believe dyslexia existed. He became very depressed. All his problems were my fault for being a single mum. They taught 'look say'(word recognition) method at school so I taught 'alphabetic phonetic'. He learned well after that. I now beleive they are right about dyslexia being non existent. These kids are normal it was the teaching method that was wrong for them. The same can be true for horses IMO. This clicker method with step by step approach reminds me of the alphabetic phonetic method with positive reinforcement. The teaching proffession here are now saying that 'look say' doesn't work and has failed a lot of kids. I was saying that 30 years ago. How long will it take the equestrian comunity to catch on that 'look do' doesn't work with horses. Sue UK
[IceHorses] Progress?
Some interesting stuff from the FEIF Education Committee meeting which took place in February: "What do we do ‘to put the welfare of the horse first in everything we do?’ 5.1 Comments from National Associations We need to provide more courses to leisure riders, and to promote the qualities and needs of the Icelandic horse. Emphasis on instructors to teach not just riding but also horsemanship! Many weekend courses too ambitious for the 2 days available, and as a result some teaching results in rough practice. All FEIF members need to take more responsibility: instructors, top level riders, judges are all role models Disa reported that there had been a formal request from the sports judges to get help and guidelines from the Education Committee with the aim to be more consistent. Marketing the horse: we need to move away from the image that the Icelandic horse is easy to ride and easy (and cheap) to keep. We should produce a new owners info booklet. We need to discuss and negotiate the question: what is good riding? Lecture series over the winter (a) aimed at instructors and trainers, (b) at club level to general rider. We need good quality and consistent teaching material. Actions: Education Committee – will investigate what educational leaflets at club level events exist, and make them available to other clubs / countries. Ian and Machteld – will formulate a question to Welfare Group to advise the board on behalf of Education Committee on the correct use of riding equipment – why and how? Ian and Machteld – will formulate a question to Welfare Group to advise the board on behalf of Education Committee along the lines: What is the ideal outline of the horse (changes to the Sport judges’ rules could put a correct outline before high leg action)." Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
