Re: [IceHorses] Helmets
> that is so sad. I see lots of people riding without a helmet and it blows me away. I wear mine even if I am riding in the corral. Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Baldur
--- On Wed, 4/23/08, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > WOW You lucky pair! I could be really envious, he's such a super > horse. I saw him several years ago in Iceland, and we tried to get a > group of breeders together in the UK to buy him when he was for sale > but couldn't manage it. i think a photo is in order! Janice He is an awesome horse, I still have to pinch myself sometimes. He really is teaching me how to ride, of course along with my friend Eloise who is helping me with trail lessons. He is really a gentleman horse with nice clear gaits. It is really fun to watch peoples reaction to him, most people just stare at our movements, like they have never seen a horse move like that, and really they have not. We sold Foss back to our friend Eloise just last June, and now we purchased another Stallion...Randver from Hobby Horse Farmshis parents are Logi fra Skardi and Hera fra Holi..so our farm will have another stallion again...I just hope he gets along with Baldur. Pics of Baldur and I to follow soon We owe, we owe, its off to Shoe we go, we owe we owe we owe we owe, we owe, owe owe owe Skye
[IceHorses] Helmets
This is about a member of our SCA group, who has passed away, the original notice followed by the update: On Sunday, April 6, Debbie (Rhiannon) and Chuck were mounting up and heading out for a trail ride. Debbie had just gotten a new saddle, and for some reason didn't feel confident putting her weight in the stirrups. So she swung her leg over and sat on him with no stirrups. Not unusual for her as she prefers to ride bareback. But for some reason, Kalvin spooked and cantered off, dumping Debbie. She landed very hard on her head (NO HELMET) and sustained a severe head injury. She was knocked out and has not regained consciousness yet. The doctors removed part of her skull immediately to relieve the swelling on her brain, and then told us she would probably not live through the night. I'm happy to say she's still alive, but things are not especially good. In the past two weeks she responded poorly to the neurological tests, and they believe it would be a tough road to recovery if she did wake up. Then on Saturday we were told they did not expect her to ever wake up... Today, as I was visiting her and holding her hand, she actually opened both her eyes. She didn't really focus, but it seemed like she might have been trying. I don't know exactly what that means (there wasn't a doctor around to ask) but I'm hoping she's going to prove the doctors wrong again, like she did two Sundays ago... If you're in the area (Tustin) and would like to visit her or send something, please contact me privately and I'll send you the hospital info. Otherwise, please send your prayers and good wishes her way. She can really use all the help she can get. And if there can be one thing we take away from this tragedy, please let it be the helmet message. Every ride, every time. If Debbie had been wearing her helmet this probably would have been avoided altogether. It's frightening how much your life can change in a split second. Christiaen/Kristin April 24, 2008: I'm so, so sorry to report. Debbie has passed away. So incredibly heartbreaking. Kristin __ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] IceTolt in Britain
>>>I understand your point and your analogy Skye, but really, its not the same. Hey no problem, I really do understand...I was feeling a little giddy that night, and Mics post was really interesting about the icetolt, and it brought up a lot of questions in my mind about what people ask their horses to do, things that we, the civilization really accept, like metal shoes on horses on asphalt pulling big carriges with people all day..talk about concussion. So it really brought up questions in my mind. Skye
[IceHorses] CMO Ride
We're out the door right away in the morning. Heading out to mange the CMO ride I helped to set up & map. It's been rainiing...hard all day. I sure hope the weather folks are wrong about rain all weekend. I have had the ponies in the barn since 3 pm in hopes that they dry off. Huginn is soaked to the bone. Have a super duper weekend...get out and ride! Or bike, hike or just plain have fun. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Charm, And the Noodle
> > Charm carried around a noodle on a breezy day: > > http://iceryder.blogspot.com/2008/04/charm-and-noodle.html Judy, I love your inventiveness!And that Charm -- she's been brought along so slowly and carefully -- with tons of life experiences under her belt already -- that I think you could put a Gorilla on her back hopping and hooting about at this point and she'd be yawning. Keep up the good work.: ) -- Renee M. in Michigan >
Re: [IceHorses] Charm, And the Noodle
Charm carried around a noodle on a breezy day: My goodness Judy, if you'd started Tali. I wouldn't have got hurt. She's doing so well. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Charm, And the Noodle
>I know a man who starts horses with a contraption attached to a > surcingle he calls "A monkey on his back". He says it gets a horse > used to things moving around in the air above him, where a human > seated in a saddle would be. Charm carried around a noodle on a breezy day: http://iceryder.blogspot.com/2008/04/charm-and-noodle.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Horse Behavior
Here's a question for you. I went out this afternoon to remove Hunter's blanket - finally a 60 degree afternoon. While I was out there, I walked over to talk to Tosca and give her a piece of carrot. Just before I reached Tosca, her paint filly friend bit me in the middle of the back. I whirled around, put my arms up in the air, sort of like claws, and growled at her. Almost at the same instant, Tosca whirled and kicked at her. So ... what was that all about? Do you suppose my taking monster shape turned the filly into a threat? Could Tosca have been defending me? Something completely different? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Charm, Another Mounting Lesson
I wouldn't trust the kid not to have a brain-fart and do something really flaky at the wrong moment Tosca had had someone on her back maybe 10 times when I put our 12 year old grandaughter up. Still at the mounting block, she suddenly collapsed forward over Tosca's withers. I asked her what happened. She was picking burrs out of her socks. Granted, Tosca handled this just fine, but I never thought to tell Nikki not to make sudden goofy moves and certainly wouldn't have considered that she would decide just then to decide she needed to remove burrs. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Princess Buttercup
Hi Karen: I have not been on in a few days but found the pics of your gorgeous red dun filly. She sure is a beauty. I bought a mini herd from Oregon several years ago and with it I got 2 orphan red dun colts that looked a lot like your buttercup in color anyway. I named one Kveldroii and the other Morgunroi. The meant red dawn and golden sunset. They were both by Zimba. I ended up selling the both of them because didn't think they were stallion quality. They were cute as buttons, however. Congradulations! Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
RE: [IceHorses] Charm, Another Mounting Lesson
>>> It's a good way to start, if you have a kid that's willing and with a good >>> seat. The young horse's back is not used to carrying weight, is not fully >>> fused, and lighter is better to start. I agree with starting with the lightest weight rider possible, but I would be VERY wary using a kid for the first rides. I can't remember a time when a horse bucked or did anything stupid during the first few rides here, but just in case it was a rare case where something did go wrong, I can only imagine the liability issues if some ambulance-chasing attorney found out you were using a kid as your "crash-dummy." Plus, you have to measure the risks of the rider's weight against the maturity of the rider...and with your definition of "kid." Until a kid is of a certain age, I wouldn't trust the kid not to have a brain-fart and do something really flaky at the wrong moment...heck, I don't even like to have Cary in the area when we mount the first few times, because he's likely to decide to mindlessly swing a lead rope or kick a rock or something just as the rider sits down the first time. As the kids get older, the maturity and dependability increases of course (except with husbands, but that's another story)...but so does their weight. I don't want to stress my horses with excess weight at first, but I also don't want the first ride to be traumatic because of an immature person's innocent mistake. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 7:16 PM
Re: [IceHorses] In the silly pasture...
Kristen Mikula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The rest of our > snow just melted this week and with a touch of rain on > Tuesday the grass is only hinting green. Kristen, We're down near Grand Rapids and my daffodils have been blooming for about a week now. It's green, green, green down here too!!My pasture looks like a colic just waiting to happen. -- Renee M. in W. lower Michigan
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Names
>>> I have suggested Lucy but then Hroi's name would have to be changed to >>> Hricky :-) I just found this one: Lúsía: woman's name I think we'll stick with Hroi though. "Lusia, you inna lotta trouble!" Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 7:16 PM
RE: [IceHorses] In the silly pasture...
>>> Cute video! Thanks! >>> It's funny how the little girl is just hanging out with mom and the little boy is off exploring! Roka stuck pretty close to Lil until she found out her mom was queen and then she went about antagonizing the others! Spakur, Lilja's colt from 4 years ago was exploring from the get-go. But, you know, with my 2006 babies, Kola was front-and-center with the boys, while Tifa was more the little lady. Probably no coincidence that little Hroi is Kola's full brother... :) Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 7:16 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
>>> i think sometimes the ones that bolt have tight saddles. Janice I think you could probably more generically categorize that as "pain" from whatever cause. Loftur was previously ridden in a BMSS, and I had one when I got him - it seemed to fit pretty well. But, he bolted still. His pain proved to be in the area of his withers and from a castration scar, and with treatment, both got better. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 7:16 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
I suspect that your Twist is just one of the naturally pacey ones - there's a variety of gaitedness in any breed, so that's probably just what the DNA dice rolled for him. I'm afraid so. He will trot, but it is very bouncy and difficult to ride. And he had on occassion done a stepping pace. He has white hair scars on two legs from racing hobbles. Poor horse. Amber Applegate has a beautiful off track STB that trotted at the track. She's a broodmare, but I have always wished she were mine. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
I guess you'd need to know your horse. On the other hand, what about those "forward" horses that are only forward because they are trying to escape the pain of a pinching saddle? My horses are generally lazy and pokey when they are relaxed, and then will step pace. And in dogs, pace is a gait of being tired, so there is another monkey in the pot! You hit the nail on the head - we have to know OUR horses. Rules of thumb are ok to ponder, and may sometimes point us in the right direction, but nothing substitutes for spending time with our own critters. :) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
I do understand that you are all discussing horses for whom pace is not a natural or accepted gait, but as the owner of a lovable off-track Standardbred who paces as a result of generations of breeding for pace ... what can I say? For Twist is is not laziness, saddle fit, whatever. It's is what he was bred to do. That may well be true for Twist, Nancy, but did you know that many off-the-track SB pacers aren't particularly pacey?My friend and trainer, Shirley, has started several ex-pace-racers on their way to re-homed, and not a single one she started was pacey. I remember that one actually preferred trot - maybe with a little weak foxtrot - one was a LOVELY run-walker and one was a saddle-racker. (I still keep up with that run-walker, who now belongs to friends of ours.) I believe that all could trot, at least that I remember. She did this work about the time I got Icelandic's so I went and helped her some, and watched a lot, and rode a few of them. It absolutely amazed me that there was so little pace in the small sample she worked with. The trotter went to a home where he was used for low-level dressage, believe it or not, even though he'd paced as a racer. I've heard Christine Schwartz say that she things the range of gaitedness in Standardbreds may be most like the range found in Icelandic's - I think she rode some SB in Germany as a girl. I don't have lots of SB experience, but based on the little I saw, I sure wouldn't argue. It's just more evidence of how much mechanical means can affect gait. The SB's racers are hoppled (hobbled?) such that they HAVE to pace. I'm pretty sure the horses she got to train were just a random sampling of Standardbred pace horses - she certainly doesn't profess to the a "gaited horse trainer" - just a good, sensible trainer. I suspect that your Twist is just one of the naturally pacey ones - there's a variety of gaitedness in any breed, so that's probably just what the DNA dice rolled for him. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
On the other > hand, what about those "forward" horses that are only > forward because they are trying to escape the pain of > a pinching saddle? i think sometimes the ones that bolt have tight saddles. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
And in dogs, pace is a gait of being tired, so there is another monkey in the pot! I do understand that you are all discussing horses for whom pace is not a natural or accepted gait, but as the owner of a lovable off-track Standardbred who paces as a result of generations of breeding for pace ... what can I say? For Twist is is not laziness, saddle fit, whatever. It's is what he was bred to do. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> was she pacing because she was lazy, or did she appear lazy because it hurt her to move forward? << I guess you'd need to know your horse. On the other hand, what about those "forward" horses that are only forward because they are trying to escape the pain of a pinching saddle? My horses are generally lazy and pokey when they are relaxed, and then will step pace. And in dogs, pace is a gait of being tired, so there is another monkey in the pot! Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
RE: [IceHorses] Maja and Hroi in the pasture - video
>>> Hroi has some gait there at the end i think! Janice I've seen him and PB (Princess Buttercup) both gaiting: foxtrot, step pace, flat walk, maybe even a little saddle rack. But, is it of any significance? We know that young foals have very short backs and even QH babies may show some gaits. Still, whatever, it's cute to see. I see Big Sister Tifa in her conformation so far - who knows if I'm right though. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 7:16 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
>>> Let's not forget a big reason why some horses step pace - it is a lazy >>> gait! Sina, for example, used to step-pace a lot...and sometimes she didn't want to move forward. When I'd get her a wider saddle, she'd get more energetic, and the pacing would get better until that saddle would get too tight, then she'd get pacey again until she'd refuse to move forwards...and on, and on So, was she pacing because she was lazy, or did she appear lazy because it hurt her to move forward? I'm pretty sure now that it was the second reason, although there was a time when I wasn't so sure which was which. Sina is actually a fairly forward horse when she's comfortable...at least when I ride her. (She can be a little pokey for people she doesn't know.) Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 7:16 PM
RE: [IceHorses] In the silly pasture...
>>> Looks like Hroi found an imaginary friend to play with. Kat Aren't you sorry you don't have one this year, Kat? :) Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 7:16 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Charm, Another Mounting Lesson
I know a man who starts horses with a contraption attached to a surcingle he calls "A monkey on his back". He says it gets a horse used to things moving around in the air above him, where a human seated in a saddle would be. He takes little flags and crosses them, ties them in a bundle so they are sticking out all over and waving in the breeze, and lets the horse walk around with it a while so it gets used to it. He said he started doing that when he was young and breaking horses. he would have them all calm under saddle and he said either his hat would blow off or someone would holler hello at him and he would throw up a hand to wave and startle the horse. he said it gets the horse used to movement up there. What do you think about that? So far he seems unaffected by anything I've tried ... I could fix the bundle up there loosely and if he got nervous just pull them down. Or just hold them in my hand and wave them over his head as we walk along.. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Names
On 4/24/08, Jacki Edens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have suggested Lucy but then Hroi's name would have to be changed to > Hricky :-) HAHAHA good one Jacki!! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
>>> This is a picture from an old "Tolt" magazine from Europe. What gait is >>> this horse doing? Pace that might be slightly broken by the time the lateral pairs set down. Nice that there's no noseband, but she's still got a grip on those reins - certainly not doing anything in that second to encourage "long and low". Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Names
I have suggested Lucy but then Hroi's name would have to be changed to Hricky :-)
[IceHorses] Lighthands Horsemanship
An interesting site: http://www.lighthandshorsemanship.com/ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Stiffness
Most Icelandics here certainly ARE taught suppling exercises. Whether the eventual owners use them or not is another matter of course! ; ) Ah, I need to come ride with you. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
Well, that's pretty lateral looking, but since the front and hind legs on the left side don't seem to be at the same place in their flight, I will guess stepping pace. If the legs on the left side end up striking together, then hard pace. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Charm, Another Mounting Lesson
>i gotta find a kid to borrow to put on Nasi... It's a good way to start, if you have a kid that's willing and with a good seat. The young horse's back is not used to carrying weight, is not fully fused, and lighter is better to start. I added a couple of videos to the page: http://iceryder.blogspot.com/2008/04/charm-another-mounting-practice.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re: What Gait / Old Picture
> This is a picture from an old "Tolt" magazine from Europe. What gait is > this horse doing? > I think we had this one before. Wish I could remember the answer. It looks like a lateral gait. Stepping pace? Sue Coombes
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Stiffness
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:11:00 -0700, you wrote: >I think you're right on this Lynn, and I wonder if part of the reason some >Icelandics aren't taught suppling exercises is because they are so easy. Most Icelandics here certainly ARE taught suppling exercises. Whether the eventual owners use them or not is another matter of course! ; ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:23:32 -0700, you wrote: >Could it be that there are some Icelandic Horses who do not have backs that >are strong enough to carry riders (or can only carry up to a certain weight >before becoming uncomfortable), so they tend to stiffen up? Possibly, but to me it seems more likely that they are using the same lateral muscles all the time in a gait that doesn't need engagement of the hindquarters or the back to lift much at all (unlike trot or one of the more square gaits), plus a lot of (Icelandic) stepping pacers I know are mostly ridden by more novice riders, or riders who trail ride and don't school (so the horses are not doing a lot of bends etc to keep them flexible). Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
On 24/04/2008, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a picture from an old "Tolt" magazine from Europe. What gait is > this horse doing? Looks pretty pacey to mestepping pace? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
On 4/24/08, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a picture from an old "Tolt" magazine from Europe. What gait is > this horse doing? > fox trot. why does everything look like a foxtrot to me lately?? it would be so short as to almost be a piaffe tho! the back seems rounded altho the neck is ewed and a little high. I bet it is a fox-walk. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] In the silly pasture...
> Hroi... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNUY9gYxYEc > > Wow! It is really green down there. The rest of our snow just melted this week and with a touch of rain on Tuesday the grass is only hinting green. -Kristen in Northern MI Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Names
Krisse, is there any icelandic name for a woman named Lucy, or lucille, or lucinda, something like that? A redhaired woman? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Stiffness
But being supple is the key to doing the gaits "harmoniously", without going to the trot or hard pace. I think you're right on this Lynn, and I wonder if part of the reason some Icelandics aren't taught suppling exercises is because they are so easy. I would never start a TB and skip the steps (including suppling) that I have skipped with Tosca. She had a few rides in the arena and then went out on trail like she'd been a trail horse her entire life. I still haven't taken her back to do flat work, although I know I should. She's just doing so well. She had a week off because of first the endurance ride and then nasty weather. I was laughing out loud riding her yesterday. It was quite cool (sleeting, actually) and she was so fresh. She was cantering along beside my friend's big trotting horse and acting like she was loving every step. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Stiffness
>> I don't mind stepping pace at all - as you say, it's comfortable - but >> I have found that Icelandics which do stepping pace a lot do seem to >> stiffen up and end up doing hard pace which isn't comfortable at all! > > You may be right. > > Could it be that there are some Icelandic Horses who do not have backs > that > are strong enough to carry riders (or can only carry up to a certain > weight > before becoming uncomfortable), so they tend to stiffen up? The other possibility is that Icelandics aren't suppled to stretch and loosen their back muscles in training or before riding. As someone pointed out, Peruvians do the stepping pace routinely (I have to translate from TWH/MFT lingo -- that's the sobreandando gait in Peruvians?). A big part of Peruvian training is circle work (done without a bit to start) -- large circles, small circles, the caricole (large circle that gets smaller at each turn until the horse has its nose against the rider's knee, then unwind in progressively larger circles . .. and repeat in the other direction). The horse learns to double while still in bozal -- while standing, the horse nose comes to rider's toe, knee, or hip (depends on how the neck is set on the body), on each side. A horse doesn't learn these maneuvers in one session! -- training is a matter of months. But being supple is the key to doing the gaits "harmoniously", without going to the trot or hard pace. Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/
[IceHorses] Re: Contoured Girths, slipping saddle UPDATE
> To Zoe & Emmy Re: the front shims< Robyn used to be able to procure some Balance 1/4" Prolite shims which worked really well for me & many of my customers. The Balance International Ladies in the UK MAY sell the shims to you (called 1/4" JB shims) if you tell them you have an Icelandic & a Sensation & that you heard of this through Kaaren Jordan. They are pricey (about $60.00 US now) & can be used many ways..either placed vertically over the top of your existing pad or cut out of their cover & put into your Skito Pad (my rec.) either horizontally for larger support area or vertically cut to fit inside the pad. Just like the girth billeting, you have to experiment. In my experience, the Skito 1/2" shims are too bulky. Some people have used 1/4" firm felt beveled at the rear & bottom edges AND secured ionto the Skito foam with double stick carpet tape or front lift foam shims from Dana @ Nickers, but you need to know the shape & thickness you need if you order from Dana. My rec. with any shim is to affix with double stick carpet tape onto bottom layer of foam IN THE PAD COVER to ensure NO shim drift. I routinely trouble shoot with distance clients @$40.00 per hour (pro-rated) talking the client through what they would need, who to order it through if I can't do it, & how to experiment/interpret results. Have had a 90% sucess rate with clients all over the world doing this for all different types of saddles both treed & treeless over the past 10 years. Kaaren
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Names
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Skise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Those word do not mean "a troll woman", they are names of troll women in > stories. > > Krisse > Oh--that makes more sense to me, but then, what did those names mean before they became associated with troll women. V
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
2008/4/24 Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Could it be that there are some Icelandic Horses who do not have backs that > are strong enough to carry riders (or can only carry up to a certain weight > before becoming uncomfortable), so they tend to stiffen up? Speaking of backs - I was reading the other night where it said that when horses tuck their heads behind the vertical it can indicate a back problem (among other things, bit, teeth, heavy hands)actually heavy hands were said to be the worst culprit, but the back issue was right up there. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
I reread Lee's article. She doesnt want to cure the stepping pace. she wants to cure the pace. Where I got the idea she wanted to cure the stepping pace was from another group where one of her self appointed emmissarys on earth told me Lee said any horse can be cured of a stepping pace if ridden correctly. Lee did not say that. Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
> I don't mind stepping pace at all - as you say, it's comfortable - but > I have found that Icelandics which do stepping pace a lot do seem to > stiffen up and end up doing hard pace which isn't comfortable at all! You may be right. Could it be that there are some Icelandic Horses who do not have backs that are strong enough to carry riders (or can only carry up to a certain weight before becoming uncomfortable), so they tend to stiffen up? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
> > Let's not forget a big reason why some horses step > pace - it is a lazy gait! I have two "lazy" horses. Both just laid back really. one is pacey one is trotty. so it must be a conformation thing. and lazy is not a bad thing. for me. most of the time. depending. Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Trail Safety Tips
All good ideas. I wear a Road ID bracelet every time I ride. Even thought I often ride with a friend and the boarding stable would guess something was wrong if I were out over long, I figure if I couldn't talk, my friend probably doesn't have my contact numbers with her. They're pretty good about keeping track of how long we are gone. I can't remember which horse I was riding when I decided to go adventuring, but Bev mentioned that she was beginning to worry one day recently. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What I rarely heard questioned (except on this list) is WHY do they stiffen, and which is the cause and which is the effect. << Let's not forget a big reason why some horses step pace - it is a lazy gait! Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] IceTolt in Britain
> More and more icetolts in Iceland (especially the big ones) are held > indoors. > > Mic > What a shame. They had the lesser of two evils going on IMO. But the trend seems to be Iceland attempts to adopt what the outside world is doing with horses I've noticed -- or at least their version of it.So, not too surprising they've started to move away from their own tradition regarding outdoor icetolts.That's too bad. -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Maja and Hroi in the pasture - video
Hroi has some gait there at the end i think! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Princess Buttercup
oh that would be a good name. Isn't she prissy! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Following mama
he is like : "I'm BAD, I'm bad!" Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Charm, Another Mounting Lesson
i gotta find a kid to borrow to put on Nasi... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] IceTolt in Britain
well. Just wish they would have plain ol races! on dirt tracks. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
> I don't mind stepping pace at all - as you say, it's comfortable - but > I have found that Icelandics which do stepping pace a lot do seem to > stiffen up and end up doing hard pace which isn't comfortable at all! Jaspar moves into hard pace when asked for speed faster than his stepping pace can go. So I bump him into his easy canter. But if with fast fast horses its not something you can ask them to do for a long time. Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] In the silly pasture...
oh my gosh! I love the rear and the strike at the bush there near the end haha. What a stocky little guy!! Pink's color is so different karen. I wonder if its cause she is red dun on top of sd! Hroi is a HOOT. Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Slimed by Horse
I can't describe the "look" this > resulted in. > > Nancy > HAHAHA! Was it sort of a satisfied smile? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
RE: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
>>> I don't mind stepping pace at all - as you say, it's comfortable - but I have found that Icelandics which do stepping pace a lot do seem to stiffen up and end up doing hard pace which isn't comfortable at all! ; ) As long as I've had Icelandic's, I've heard that: that Icelandic's who step pace tend to "stiffen." What I rarely heard questioned (except on this list) is WHY do they stiffen, and which is the cause and which is the effect.Sometimes horses are pacey due to conformation, but often the situation is made MUCH worse by external causes - too much pressure from the rider, poor saddle fit, pain, fear, confusion, whatever. Sina and Loftur were pretty much "cured" from step pacing because the main reason they did it was because of discomfort - Sina due to saddle fit issues, and Loftur due to old soft tissue injuries, for which he got rehab treatment. Sure, both have some strong lateral components to their gaitedness, but neither is built such that pace it their ONLY gait. I occasionally see Loftur trot in the pasture now - MUCH different than when I got him, and Sina seems equally adept at foxtrot and saddle rack. Those two are much different from my late TWH gelding, Mac, who was inherently a stiff horse, built strongly to the lateral side of the gait spectrum. I've only seen a couple of Icelandic's who are probably inherently as lateral as Mac was. I missed the original post where someone said that Lee Ziegler was in favor of "curing" pace - well, in certain circumstances, so am I. Pace tends to make the horse drop his back, and with many pacey horses already blessed with longer backs, that's a recipe for long-term back problems. It's why it's so important that we learn something about gaits, conformation, etc., so that we don't inadvertently write off a horse who's pacey, when the pace may be a symptom of bigger problems, problems that CAN be addressed. What I'm not in favor of is FORCING any horse to trot if it's not in his conformation. To me, it's just as bad to make a conformationally-pacey horse trot, as it is to "tolt train" a minimally gaited (virtually 3-gaited) horse. Anyone who read what Lee Ziegler wrote should understand that she was never in favor of trying to dramatically change the inherent gaitedness of the horse. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 7:16 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Names
Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > What's with all these different words for troll woman anyways? I've > heard that Eskimos have many different words for snow, which I can > understand, but troll women?! Those word do not mean "a troll woman", they are names of troll women in stories. Krisse
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Names
>>> My favorites so far are: Kubbur: stump, fatso Kólfur: spear, sheath of a >>> horse Bjálfi: fur, bastard Vepja: pewit Buska: promiscuous tramp woman >>> Björg: help Gee, all that, plus you can't type the characters on a normal keyboard, and no one can pronounce them either. Buttercup sounds better all the time. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 7:16 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Princess Buttercup
>>> The Princess Bride -- one of my favorite movies. Anyone know the Icelandic for buttercup? It's one of our favorites too - we watched it about 1000 times with my daughter, and I think Cary and I enjoyed it at least as much as she did - some parts were just too subtle and funny to be wasted on small children! Buttercup is Soley in Icelandic , but I'm not leaning towards another two-syllable "S" mare name - Sina and Saga are enough. Funny how some words fit a horse for a name in one language, but not in another. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 7:16 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] In the silly pasture...
>>> He is so much fun, what an attitude... your little girl is so Mellow, what an interesting pair they will be! I think a lot of it is that she's just a day old, and he's four days. I'll be a little more likely to judge personalities in about...oh, 3-4 years! Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 7:16 PM
RE: [IceHorses] In the silly pasture...
Cute video! It's funny how the little girl is just hanging out with mom and the little boy is off exploring! Roka stuck pretty close to Lil until she found out her mom was queen and then she went about antagonizing the others! Spakur, Lilja's colt from 4 years ago was exploring from the get-go. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] In the silly pasture...
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hroi... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNUY9gYxYEc > > > Karen Thomas, NC > That is precious!!! V
Re: [IceHorses] Stepping Pace / Lee Ziegler
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:33:44 -0500, you wrote: > Almost every breed gaited horse there is is rife with >stepping pace and people get the impression their horses are >"inferior" I don't mind stepping pace at all - as you say, it's comfortable - but I have found that Icelandics which do stepping pace a lot do seem to stiffen up and end up doing hard pace which isn't comfortable at all! ; ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
[IceHorses] Re: In the silly pasture...
> > Hroi... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNUY9gYxYEc > > > Karen Thomas, NC Hroi like to play with the two silly looking white 'foals' on the other side of the fence. 'They've got 4 legsbut I don't see any tails mom' Sue Coombes
Re: [IceHorses] IceTolt in Britain
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:38:49 -0400, you wrote: > It's my understanding that in Iceland, on the lakes in the REAL icetolts, >they do go in a straight line. More and more icetolts in Iceland (especially the big ones) are held indoors. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
