Re: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Size of Iceland
because everyone from iceland here trains the same way? janice-- No they do not..there are variances. how can you say that with such certainty. have you ever seen any icelandic people over here training? or the results of their training? or rehabbed any horses that have been trained the traditional way? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Size of Iceland
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:00:54AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote: because everyone from iceland here trains the same way? janice-- No they do not..there are variances. how can you say that with such certainty. have you ever seen any icelandic people over here training? or the results of their training? some examples have been discussed at length on this list. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Size of Iceland
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because everyone from iceland here trains the same way? janice-- Skye wrote: No they do not..there are variances. Janice Wrote: how can you say that with such certainty. have you ever seen any icelandic people over here training? or the results of their training? or rehabbed any horses that have been trained the traditional way? Janice Yes, I have have stated many times. Many of the imported horses here from Iceland have been trained by Icelandic trainers. We have a gelding here (Drifonde) was was trained at Gunnersholt, wonderful, light, easy to stop horse. Talk about Traditional training! Baldur fra Bakka who won the 1999 flying pace WChe was my trail mount for a long time, wonderful horsevery traditional training. I could go on and on. We do have a rehab here who was imported then abused in his training in Ca..very sweet wonderful horse, we took him to a Linda Tellington Jones clinic here on island, and he responded with it so much. My friend who has taught clinics in Iceland and has worked with many Icelandic trainers there and here. And about rehabbing horses that were trained the traditional Icelandic way, as stated before a lot of us feel that any method of training can be abused..even Parellis, Lyons, Clinton Andersons, etc. So yes I can say that with much certainty. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
RE: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Size of Iceland
Baldur fra Bakka who won the 1999 flying pace WChe was my trail mount for a long time, wonderful horsevery traditional training. And Baldur is the one who you told us was sent to Hawaii to retire, and who you also said was sterile due to steroid use during his show career, right Skye? I thought he was the one, so I did a search of the archives. I found this, back when you still called yourself, Storme: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/message/61732 I remembered that post vividly, since he was the first Icelandic I heard linked to steroid use. I'm not sure that he's a prime example to include here, since that brings up still another show/training problem. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 9:31 AM
RE: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Size of Iceland
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Baldur fra Bakka who won the 1999 flying pace WChe was my trail mount for a long time, wonderful horsevery traditional training. And Baldur is the one who you told us was sent to Hawaii to retire, and who you also said was sterile due to steroid use during his show career, righ Skye? I thought he was the one, so I did a search of the archives. I found this, back when you still called yourself, Storme: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/message/61732 I remembered that post vividly, since he was the first Icelandic I heard linked to steroid use. I'm not sure that he's a prime example to include here, since that brings up still another show/training problem. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not sure why you are equating the steroid abuse with Baldur's training in Iceland, as the steroid use would have happened long after he was exported from Iceland.after his injury. his being in retirement now has nothing to do with his traditional training in Iceland as I understand it. Do you really want to talk about a horse that I ride, who I took care of daily for years, that you have never seen or ridden? Karen, please,..we can talk about show issues, those are really issues for all horses that show and compete...but that is a different subject isn't it.that does not have anything to do specifically with traditional Icelandic training. We might actually agree in our disapproval of some show traditions and practices, though I have to point out that abuse of show horses is an international issue, and we Americans are far, far from innocent in this regard. I can imagine a scenario wherein a European (for example) condemns those Americans for all that soring and chains and pads on their gaited horses! I for one would hate to be labeled in such a manner. You failed to mention the other wonderful horses I have experienced and written about who were trained in Iceland. The gelding Drefandi, for example, who was trained at Gunnersholt.a wonderful horse, just a delight to ride. This is why the all or nothing mentality just does not work, and you seem to be a very intelligent woman, so I just do not understand why you keep using it.it comes across to me as bigoted, frankly. I find it offensive when people take little snippets out of a dialogue and to try interpret them negatively and out of context. I am feeling as if you are attacking me personally, Karen. If you would like to say something to me, email me me privately if you just plain do not like me, but please keep the badgering off the list. Perhaps I could be a little more understanding if I understood why your seem to be increasing in belligerence in your postings lately, especially in response to mine. Perhaps my writing style rubs you the wrong way, but to my knowledge I have never attacked you or done anything to harm you. I've never even met you! I would like to feel free to share thoughts and feelings about my passion- these horses- without looking over my shoulder for a verbal missile from you. Maybe we can just agree to disagree-cordially- with each other. BTW~Storme was my name since birth, my mother named me that. Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
RE: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Size of Iceland
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that Iceland is a very big place and not every body who is Icelandic trains the same way.it would be like saying that all Americans train the same way, that would be a ridiculous statement. Well... no. A very big place...? Have you looked on a map lately? Iceland has been an isolated island. I'm not saying any of this as a better or worse comparison. It's just what it is. Karen Thomas Ok guys I was talking about the physical size, not the amount of people, but the Size of the island. And not everyone trains the same way, anywhere, and especially here, which is why you should understand that if we do not train the same way here why would you expect everyone in Iceland to train ther same way? Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Size of Iceland
On 9/2/07, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok guys I was talking about the physical size, not the amount of people, but the Size of the island. And not everyone trains the same way, anywhere, and especially here, which is why you should understand that if we do not train the same way here why would you expect everyone in Iceland to train ther same way? Skye because everyone from iceland here trains the same way? janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Size of Iceland
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/07, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok guys I was talking about the physical size, not the amount of people, but the Size of the island. And not everyone trains the same way, anywhere, and especially here, which is why you should understand that if we do not train the same way here why would you expect everyone in Iceland to train ther same way? Skye because everyone from iceland here trains the same way? janice-- No they do not..there are variances. Thats like saying all Americans start a horse by tying them up and laying them downsomething that was VERY accepted years ago, and something that is still done today by people in the US. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
