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... side piece getting in the horses eyes when you pull on the opposite rein?-- Laree in NC No, the only part that tightens when you rein is the piece that goes under under the chin that is attached but independent to the other side of the noseband...the bridle never moves and the whole noseband doesn't move. Ashley I_._,_.__ I'll try to send a photo_ .
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No, the only part that tightens when you rein is the piece that goes under under the chin that is attached but independent to the other side of the noseband...the bridle never moves and the whole noseband doesn't move. Good to know, Ashley - I may try one of those. Pictures would be appreciated! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1108 - Release Date: 11/3/2007 9:42 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] More Sidepull Pictures
The thing I noticed with the Dr. Cook if you pull on both reins to stop,they can brace and go. If you use a one rein stop or with Lilja, if she doesn't stop by seat cue, I just close my hands for a moment and release. Excellent way of describing it Cherie!! Thats just it!! Ashley
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at the Liz clinic i did something to frustrate Tiavr, I dont remember what, so I tried to turn him and he decided not to. So i just pulled one rein harder and harder and he just braced his neck harder and harder and I was kicking one foot and pulling as hard as I could, and Liz hollered short pulls not steady and I did and he immediately responded. So now i know to just bump him. that seems so easy, like everyone on the planet knows that I bet, but in a situation where the hrose starts to pwer struggle its just in us to dig in and in them to dig in... janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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and when you tried to stop him, you know a lot of horses try to run My MFT's were trained to gait when you pulled in the reins. Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Liz hollered short pulls not steady and I did and he immediately responded. So now i know to just bump him. that seems so easy, like Janice, That is good to know. I have been there with both these guys. Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I tried the Dr Cook on my MFT and he wouldn't stop very well. So I sold it on Ebay Lorraine The thing I noticed with the Dr. Cook (like many bridles), if you pull on both reins to stop, the bridle snugs up at all the pressure points and they can brace and go. If you use a gentle one rein stop or with Lilja, if she doesn't stop by seat cue, I just close my hands for a moment and release. Cherie
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and I have that side-pull piece that attaches to a regular bridle that you guys are discussing now Here is the type of sidepull I use. http://cgi.ebay.com/HORSE-BITLESS-BRIDLE-ROPE-HACKAMORE-BOSAL-BLACK-YELLOW_W 0QQitemZ260173624958QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3177QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZView Item. I got it months ago and I haven't even tried it yet! I can try it and report back or send it to one on you to try... Either way, I'd like to know how well it works. Mura likes the RJ one we are using and responds well to it. It's so funny when you have someone riding her that has never used a bitless bridle/sidepull before - without fail they always hesitantly say Now you're sure this will stop her - It's funny. Especially since she's such a wild thiung! - Not! I want to try it with Doppa. It will be interesting to see how she responds to it. I haven't had her in a sidepull yet. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) When you're young and you fall off a horse, you may break something. When you're my age and you fall off, you splatter - Roy Rogers
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Jaspar in a sidepull goes whoo hooo! I can do whatever I want! which for him means unlimited snacking on the trail instead of paying attention. Iguess if you had a horse that wanted to do something other than unlimited snacking it could be a real problem... I am a believer that anytime you go to something less severe you should be really careful... I knew a seemingly really well trained obedient dead broke walking horse that had been ridden all his life in a severe long shanked walking horse bit that was sold to someone who put him in a dee ring snaffle and he bolted, became a bolter in fact. But he had been raised and trained and ridden all his life by one man, so I imagine the new owner had some new ways about her that seemed scarey/frustrating/surprising to him, then the new bit... Myt friend delores bought a paso mare that has always been ridden in a harsh shanked spoon bit and she took it off her and put her in a snaffle and she was an uncontrollable maniac. I guess obviously, the horses needed some training along with the new bit so if you want to change to something milder its best to take the time to train. Like Jaspar, I think all horses take advantage. But Tivar was trained to the sidepull and does not take advantage. conversely, the few times I decided to ride him in a bit--- ok, i confess the reason, I wanted to put a PRETTY BRIDLE on him :) and he aggravated me to death clacking and gnawing the bit like he just hated it. So we have to wear his plain sidepull and i am still scheming on how to bling it up janice-- yipie tie yie yo
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doesn't stop by seat cue, I just close my hands for a moment and release. Cherie I have been using a mechanical hack on Dagur and he is wonderful with it. That dang Scooter seems to run through everything Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Like Jaspar, I think all horses take advantage. But Tivar was trained to the sidepull and does not take advantage. conversely, the few I have a severe bit on Scooter because he bolts. So I thought I would be nice and put something less severe in his mouth. He buck and bolted. I did stop him tho. Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I have a severe bit on Scooter because he bolts. So I thought I would be nice and put something less severe in his mouth. He buck and bolted. I did stop him tho. Scooter sounds like your problem child. Stonewall is mine. Like you would think Scooter would be happy with a milder bit. go figure. makes you just wonder what on earth he is thinking. Like Jaspar in a sidepull... he is thinking oh she is riding me with a lot less control, so I will just misbehave and eat weeds and not turn when she steers me. Stonewall is forever a little colt, a baby. in situations where he feels secure he is the best horse in the world. I could ride him in nothing. He would just follow the other horses. In a situation where he is insecure and freaked out you could put a twisted wire snaffle made of barb wire and 20 inch shanks and I promise you you wouldnt stop him if he wanted to go somewhere. Thank good ness he doesnt buck or bolt tho. he wont leave other horses and I am not dumb enough to ride him alone except in the yard. and he has had all the groundwork in the world, professional training, years and years of groundwork and training and miles and miles under saddle. He is just a nutty guy what can I say. sigh. He is on my back burner now, in hopes some age will help him. I did tho contact a local stable with an arena and they said if I will help around the place a couple of hours every week or so I can have free access to arena use. So I am gonna just take him there every fri and let him act like a psycho in the arena and get used to going off alone in a new exciting place for an hour a week and see what that does... janice yipie tie yie yo
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On 11/1/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a believer that anytime you go to something less severe you should be really careful... I knew a seemingly really well trained obedient dead broke walking horse that had been ridden all his life in a severe long shanked walking horse bit that was sold to someone who put him in a dee ring snaffle and he bolted, became a bolter in fact. But he had been raised and trained and ridden all his life by one man, so I imagine the new owner had some new ways about her that seemed scarey/frustrating/surprising to him, then the new bit... H, I wonder if that's what happened with Orri. He was ridden with a one jointed snaffle on a very tight rein by his male trainer, then along came wimpy me and his new bit with 2 joints and a loose rein. V
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On 11/1/07, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H, I wonder if that's what happened with Orri. He was ridden with a one jointed snaffle on a very tight rein by his male trainer, then along came wimpy me and his new bit with 2 joints and a loose rein. V and when you tried to stop him, you know a lot of horses try to run through pressure, and a lot of horses are trained to go faster when you bring the reins in tight. Hard to believe, but you hear it often. With walking horses, a lot of the time they learn they are supposed to gait fast if you take all the slack out of the reins! Janice yipie tie yie yo
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On 10/30/07, Ashley Gallant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the type of sidepull I use. http://cgi.ebay.com/HORSE-BITLESS-BRIDLE-ROPE-HACKAMORE-BOSAL-BLACK-YELLOW_W0QQitemZ260173624958QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3177QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Ashley - Do you have a problem with the side piece getting in the horses eyes when you pull on the opposite rein? -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) When you're young and you fall off a horse, you may break something. When you're my age and you fall off, you splatter - Roy Rogers
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Here is the type of sidepull I use. http://cgi.ebay.com/HORSE-BITLESS-BRIDLE-ROPE-HACKAMORE-BOSAL-BLACK-YELLOW_W 0QQitemZ260173624958QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3177QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZView Item Ashley - Do you have a problem with the side piece getting in the horses eyes when you pull on the opposite rein? I wondered that too, Laree, but it looks like it attached to a normal bridle, where you would normally attach a bit...? So, would it depend on the design of the bridle you use it with? I'm seriously interested in looking at these. We like to use bits with our young horses at least part of the time - I want them exposed to whatever life may eventually throw their way, while they are here and I can supervise. But, I also like to ride without a bit too. Anyway, I'm interested in anything that easily and cost-effectively allows me to ride both ways. These look economical, if they work well. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.15/1101 - Release Date: 10/31/2007 10:06 AM
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Laree Karen: I seem to be collecting side-pulls and their relatives! I've got the Dr. Cook Bitless (Lilja does well in this); a Parelli type mecate rope hackamore bridle (well-made in a large variety of colors by Cypress Lodge (Lodge Ropes) in Australia even with shipping, still cheaper than Parelli http://www.freewebs.com/lodgeropes/hackamoresbitlessriding.htm); an Enduro rope bridle-hard to explain, kind of like a regular rope halter with a side-pull noseband(also made by Cypress Lodge)-it doesn't look as substantial as a leather or biothane side-pull but everyone I've tried it on in the arena have responded well; a leather side-pull I bought from Liz Graves (rolled leather noseband-Tyra-my Fjord's favorite); a biothane side-pull/halter combo from Moss Rock (Lilja's favorite); an RJ woven side-pull from Longriders Gear (only 39. comes in diff. colors but I had to add a jowl strap)(Laree, that's the one Mura has; the Side-pull from SaddleUp tack (milder flat noseband-Star the Paso Fino's fav); and I have that side-pull piece that attaches to a regular bridle that you guys are discussing now Here is the type of sidepull I use. http://cgi.ebay.com/HORSE-BITLESS-BRIDLE-ROPE-HACKAMORE-BOSAL-BLACK-YELLOW_W 0QQitemZ260173624958QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3177QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZView Item. I got it months ago and I haven't even tried it yet! I can try it and report back or send it to one on you to try... Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
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I have a head set with reins from Peru. Its kangaroo and about huge thick with silver on the thing. Its for a Peruvian Paso horse show type hackamove/bosal. I would love to sell the thing and get my sensation saddle. Sylvia, you could post it on the gaitedhorse list and see if anyone is interested. Lynn Kinski also may know of someone who might be interested in something like that. Also: http://www.pasorobles-usa.com/Gathering/ Judy
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I got it months ago and I haven't even tried it yet! I can try it and report back or send it to one on you to try... Maybe us NC folks should all try to get together for a tack-trade/tack-trial weekend soon. I'd love to try that noseband. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.14/1100 - Release Date: 10/30/2007 6:26 PM
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Laree Karen: I seem to be collecting side-pulls and their relatives! I've got the Dr. Cook Bitless (Lilja does well in this); a Parelli I tried the Dr Cook on my MFT and he wouldn't stop very well. So I sold it on Ebay Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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here is a quickstop sidepull, used by barrel racers and designed to stop a runaway horse. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo attachment: QuickStopHeadstallBH-731.jpg
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It's hard to say if it works well from a picture, but it does have the v-piece at the noseband, a throatlatch and the piece that connects the throatlatch to the halter ring. Where did you find that one? Is that biothane? And with what as an overlay...? I saw it after goggling fancy sidepulls and it came up here: http://www.madtack.net/sidepulls.html they also have some that look like moss rocks! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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I am thinking of printing out an order form for one in safety orange biothane with the horse hair tassles and rope braiding and giving it to donny on my christmas wishlist. they are 105.00 yi but also I am thinking of getting some bright orange electric tape and weaving it around his sidepull he has now haha janice-- yipie tie yie yo
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did you like this one ? Its pretty but do you think it functions correctly? Janice It's hard to say if it works well from a picture, but it does have the v-piece at the noseband, a throatlatch and the piece that connects the throatlatch to the halter ring. Where did you find that one? Is that biothane? And with what as an overlay...? Karen If it slipped toward the eye you could put a jowl strap on the ring just if front of the jaw and have pretty and functional! Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
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Here is the type of sidepull I use. http://cgi.ebay.com/HORSE-BITLESS-BRIDLE-ROPE-HACKAMORE-BOSAL-BLACK-YELLOW_W0QQitemZ260173624958QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3177QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem They call it a hackamore, but its really a sidepull I think because its most effective only using one side or the other, not both. You can get them in all sorts of colors and you use them with whatever style bridle you prefer. I think she is learning to neck rein off it,too, which will seem weird because all our tack is English, but so much easier on a long trail ride!! .
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here is a quickstop sidepull, used by barrel racers and designed to stop a runaway horse. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo Where do you get that one? That might be good for Scooter. Dagur has been doing great with a hack. Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I saw it after goggling fancy sidepulls and it came up here: Wow. I think there are two many to choose from. I will never make up my mind. The one from Mossrock is reasonalble though. Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Here is the type of sidepull I use. That looks more like a hackamore. I used that on Scooter and he didn't stop very well. Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
