Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics are not THAT different
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:29:57 -0700, you wrote: i think that many ponies are mishandled that way, icelandic or not. it's a real problem, esp. for those who end up as kids' mounts. The rescue I´m getting next week has been used for 7 years in a riding school just as a kid´s pony (and lots of different kids at that). He´s pushy, bargy and nips... Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandics are not THAT different
The rescue I'm getting next week has been used for 7 years in a riding school just as a kid´s pony (and lots of different kids at that). He´s pushy, bargy and nips... That's not a breed trait, nor is it a pony-versus-horse thing. It's a matter of expectations, training, management and handling. You can see those traits in horses of all sizes in breeds. I've seen kid's ponies who are models of good manners - assuming that the kid/kids have been taught to be respectful of the animals, and consistent with their handling of the horse/pony. Thunder, an Arab, was never a kid's pony before he came to us. He was pushy and bargy when we got him, but with a little consistency, and a little guidance from a good trainer, he became a model pony for my daughter. His manners IMPROVED as that became his role. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1151 - Release Date: 11/25/2007 4:24 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics are not THAT different
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:42:49 -0500, you wrote: That's not a breed trait, nor is it a pony-versus-horse thing. I wasn´t implying it was - merely a comment. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
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I wasn´t implying it was - merely a comment. Ok...gee, then what are we coming too, Mic? I thought surely you were arguing this time. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1151 - Release Date: 11/25/2007 4:24 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics are not THAT different
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:45:05 -0500, you wrote: Ok...gee, then what are we coming too, Mic? I thought surely you were arguing this time. I must be getting old ; ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
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Ok...gee, then what are we coming too, Mic? I thought surely you were arguing this time. I must be getting old maybe we need some pony blood hormones. if I could get some of that from nasi i wouldnt give a rats a** about anything and I would be happy as a clam. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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A little brain damage works well too, Janice. Our adopted daughter Brenda, who had TB meningitis in her native Mexico, is the most contented person I've ever known. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandics are not THAT different
people use QHs with TB lines for speed events. barrels, racing etc. Janice- Also, the QH sport horses commonly are appendix-registered QH, meaning that they have TB blood within a given percentage range. By sport horse I mean the ones used for competitive dressage, jumping, hunters and/or three-day-eventing. Some people consider this type of QH to be warm bloods, especially compared to the colder stock type horses. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1151 - Release Date: 11/25/2007 4:24 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics are not THAT different
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:05:56 -0600, you wrote: i wouldnt give a rats a** about anything and I would be happy as a clam. I have a big dental appointment tomorrow morning and I´m a wimp - I´m sat looking at a large valium tablet. Don´t expect any arguments from me for the next 24 hours or so about anything at all. If Karen says black is white I shall probably agree! , ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
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I have a big dental appointment tomorrow morning and I´m a wimp - I´m sat looking at a large valium tablet. Don´t expect any arguments from me for the next 24 hours or so about anything at all. If Karen says black is white I shall probably agree! Oh man, what an opportunity...and I'm drawing a blank. Janice, I need help! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1151 - Release Date: 11/25/2007 4:24 PM
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sat looking at a large valium tablet. Don´t expect any arguments from me for the next 24 hours or so about anything at all. If Karen says black is white I shall probably agree! oh now is the TIME to say all those things to Mic we have been always wanting to say but were afraid to :) Like ask her has she ever seen Tom Jones around town. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
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Oh man, what an opportunity...and I'm drawing a blank. Janice, I need help! I noticed she never responds to any of my Tom Jones jokes so I think that is her weak spot, we should go for it like rabid terriers. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:25:38 -0600, you wrote: Like ask her has she ever seen Tom Jones around town. Well, now you should mention it yes. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics are not THAT different
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:44:17 -0600, you wrote: OH MY GOD. Get OUT!! Did you TALK to him?? What was he doing at the time? were his pants tight??! To be honest I didn´t notice - he doesn´t do it for me at all! Sorry! Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics are not THAT different
On 11/26/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:44:17 -0600, you wrote: OH MY GOD. Get OUT!! Did you TALK to him?? What was he doing at the time? were his pants tight??! To be honest I didn´t notice - he doesn´t do it for me at all! Sorry! Mic he doesnt do all that for me either but if i was in wales and saw him I would think that was fun :) I saw Billy Joe Royal in a convenience store at the beach once (he had a hit song, down in the boon docks and he looked about three sheets in the wind. Then I saw Karl mauldin in Reno with a blonde under each arm, and the most famous star I ever met and chatted with was george Jones the country music star. he had just gotten out of a detox facility and it had been on all the news and I horrified my husband by just casually saying wow, you sure look nice and healthy and he sorta blushed and cleared his throat and said well, yeah, that place they took me to got me all straight and nice and healthy, so maybe I'll stay that way just real humble and honest. I wasnt even a George jones fan but i was impressed. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics are not THAT different
I think sometime Icelandics are mis-handled by your average trainer because they think of them as ponies. They feel they can skip steps, let them sit, miss valuable training time and quickly make up lost time by bullying/forcing them into compliance. Then the novice owner gets them home and has a difficult, scared and/or dangerous horse on their hands. I find trainers that specialize in working with Icelandics and understand what the riders in N.A. need in a trained horse have an advantage over the average trainer. They view the Icelandic as a horse first and don't look at them as little ponies that can be bullied rather than trained. I've found that a good trainer is a rare find and the ones I truly value are coincidently trainers that primarily work with Icelandic Horses. Just My Experience. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandics are not THAT different
I think sometime Icelandics are mis-handled by your average trainer because they think of them as ponies. They feel they can skip steps, let them sit, miss valuable training time and quickly make up lost time by bullying/forcing them into compliance. I don't want to make excuses by talking about your average trainer. Every one of us has a duty to find and demand GOOD trainers. If we can't find a GOOD trainer in our area, then maybe we have to become good trainers ourselves - ESPECIALLY those of us who breed. Then the novice owner gets them home and has a difficult, scared and/or dangerous horse on their hands. That should be no different with Icelandic's than with any other breed. If we allow it to happen - those of us who breed - then shame on us. We should take personal responsibility for getting the horses the right training AND for placing them in the right homes. Yes, I know it's not always easy, but we can make it our absolute goal. If we make excuses, we virtually guarantee failure. I've found that a good trainer is a rare find and the ones I truly value are coincidently trainers that primarily work with Icelandic Horses. My, my, my... in a country with 10,000,000 horses, the ONLY trainers you can find are the ones who work with a breed that numbers only 3000...?That's simply statistically ludicrous. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.6/1150 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 5:58 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics are not THAT different
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 04:51:00PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: I think sometime Icelandics are mis-handled by your average trainer because they think of them as ponies. They feel they can skip steps, let them sit, miss valuable training time and quickly make up lost time by bullying/forcing them into compliance. i think that many ponies are mishandled that way, icelandic or not. it's a real problem, esp. for those who end up as kids' mounts. --vicka
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i think that many ponies are mishandled that way, icelandic or not. it's a real problem, esp. for those who end up as kids' mounts. Exactly Vicka! Too many of your typical trainers just bully ponies rather than train them. No doubt the reason so many ponies have reputations for bad attitudes, they were never really trained, just forced/bullied into compliance. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
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In a message dated 11/25/2007 1:20:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Different in a different way. My two Icelandic horses I have owned have been different from other horses in that they accept what you do to them as a matter of fact. Try to train an appaloosa for instance. I am 65 years old and have had quite a few breeds in my days over forty years of horses. The breed I mostly had over the years was a QH and they don't break as easily as you would think. I cannot remember one of the horses that I have ground broke stand for the saddle and just accept the girth as the Icelandic's do. I have been amazed that they just let you dress them and go about with this stuff on as if it was there from birth. I am so impressed with the two I have worked with I think they are amazing. My Willie for instance. I decided to try a blanket one day and he just stood there and let me put it on him and that was that. Same with the circingle and then the saddle. Oh hum. This past week the trainer that he is with put the full harness on him and drove him around the arena. No issues. To me this is not normal horse stuff. I have also seen that they bond with the owners and don't really like another person to handle them particularly. This is why my horse is away getting trained he would do anything for me but he needed to learn other things I don't know how to do. Anyone else have a horse this easy or is it just mine? Sylvia **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
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Sylvia, You and I have had exactly the same experience. I confess I only know a handful of Icelandics and one of our two is only 3/4, but I have had 44 years with other breeds and none of them were as easy as these three Icelandics I know. Hunter, a particularly reactive horse, knocked me down the first time I went to put a blanket on him. Who would have expected that kind of reaction from a nine year old gelding? Yrsa's introduction to a blanket, a HUGE horse-sized, hang on the floor at her sides blanket, was a yawn. They certainly have had some horsey reactions to a couple of things, but very low on the drama meter as compared to the ex-race horses I used to buy. Nancy
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My Willie for instance. I decided to try a blanket one day and he just stood there and let me put it on him Same with the circingle and then the saddle. Anyone else have a horse this easy or is it just mine? Willie's an easy horse. Charm will be fairly easy, tho maybe not as easy as Willie. Vinur was as easy as Willie. Some Icelandics are not as easy to start. It may have to do with temperment (whether by nature they are calm / quiet types, middle of the road types, or suspicious / flinchy / nervous types). Or what type of relationship they have with their trainer. Or how much exposure they've had to general training prior to saddle training. Or their conformation / general health. If a horse has feet that bother him, he's probably not going to be happy having a person on his back, or if he has the weaker-type back conformation, or teeth problems, etc. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
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I've been listening to this discussion with interest. Most of my experience has been with ponies. As a child I had a silver dapple welsh pony that always seemed to be 10 steps ahead of me if I let her. Her brain was engaged at ALL times. She taught me a lot. . Peppy (a miniature) is probably the brightest animal I've met. He's hotter than a firecracker and has a bit of a temper, simply because he gets frustrated with the world...because we sometimes don't understand himor just don't do what he wants. I have found Icelandics to be just as intelligentbut kinder somehow...interested in the world...always wanting to participate in whatever game comes next...always expressive...and they expect that expressiveness to be respected. It has occurred to me that if they are trained by a trainer that is not interested in their input...or their 'expressiveness'.look out. I could see where some anger might surface. Oh...they'll put up with crap...but only for so long. Wanda
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The breed I mostly had over the years was a QH and they don't break as easily as you would think. When I broke my back and went out and bought Sina, I had a ready-to-start four-year-old QH gelding here. Had I known how easy he was going to be, I'm sure I would have never gone looking for an Icelandic. I'm glad I did because Sina is the light of my life, but Cruise is an awfully good boy too. Yes, there are some hot QH's, but Cruise is very cold and easy. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just saying there are good horses and not-so-easy horses in every breed. Yes, I really do think, as a rule, that Icelandic's are the easiest breed as I've ever met. It's hard to beat a good, solid Icelandic - I'm totally sold on them. If we deal with the Icelandic in front of us at the moment, we'll be fine, whatever his/her personality type. And there definitely are some Icelandic's who aren't so super-brave...some are even a little nervous. I haven't yet met an Icelandic that I'd consider really flighty, but I have seen some that weren't as brave or stoic as Cruise, the QH I mentioned, or even Joe, our very dependable App. The Icelandic mare who will be here later this week was described to me as nervous. She hasn't had much training, so we'll see. Just a few days ago, Cherie described Icelandic's as more energetic than Fjords, which she described as ...I don't remember her word, but basically kind of lazy for lack of a better term. Just today, I read on another list someone described their Fjords as energetic and not suitable for novice riders. Go figure. From all I've heard, I'd tend to believe Cherie's interpretation of Fjords over the other woman's, but I guess that woman got her impression somehow. Maybe the Fjords that woman owns really ARE energetic...? I know there are variations within any breed. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.6/1150 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 5:58 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics are not THAT different
On Nov 25, 2007 5:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot remember one of the horses that I have ground broke stand for the saddle and just accept the girth as the Icelandic's do. I have been amazed that they just let you dress them and go about with this stuff on as if it was there from birth. tivar will reach around to bite the girth, dance sideways, flatten his ears, scurry backwards, flatten his ears some more, tail swish and generally go ballistic if it has some discomfort, often invisible discomfort. I have to get down, unbuckle, move it around, re-do it and then he's fine. so i dont think you can say that about all icelandics... but i have a walking horse whose back is nearly ruined from bad saddle fit and he's never said a word. I believe I could strap a metal folding chair on him with the legs gouging into him and he'd go ok, where do you want me to go , i am your loyal servant... but when he got so bad he was nearly crippled he simply staggered and went down, unable to continue on... thats sorta sad when a horse does that, seems like our best horses are the ones who will take anything and its up to us to make sure we arent hurting them... its like we accidentally punish the almost sainted ones. Janice janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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We owned several registered QH's horses over the years. The first filly I ever started was a quarter horse. I knew absolutely nothing, made some huge stupid mistakes and was riding her away from the barn by herself in a bosal after only two rides in a corral.When I think back about her, she had to be one of the two easiest horses I ever started. I had several others who were nearly that easy. I really love the breed. Later, when I started riding hunters, I started buying QH's with a lot more TB breeding. They were not nearly as easy as the old foundation quarter horses. I had a couple of off track QH's too. If they were better at the disciplines I enjoy, I'd probably still be riding them. Nancy IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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There are a few bloodlines of Fjords that are more energetic, and I think some people are breeding more for that now that they're jumping, doing eventing and dressage. The more we move away from the original use of a breed, the more diverse the personalities seem to get. Like the person who mentioned the old style, mellow, working quarter horses. There is a much wider temperament range now that there are bloodlines for racing, halter, performance, reining , cutting, etc. Fjords were bred to do farm work, logging, etc. in hilly, treed areas where the larger drafts wouldn't fit. These horses often were also ridden and pulled the family wagon into town. They were bred to be easily handled. They like to have a job and have a good work ethic, but never seem over excited about it. My friend just took her Fjord to a man who trains them to drive. He harnessed her mare for the first time, drove her around the pasture a bit then hitched her and my friend's gelding, who had some drive training a few years ago, together and off they went! Mind you, I have a much longer drive training program, but he got away with it because that is typical of Fjords. Cherie IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
