Re: [IceHorses] What gait elephants?
Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > I have actually watched Gaedinakeppni held on an oval track where the > horse took either the wrong lead, or cross gallop (disunited canter) > on the shorts sides and no-one seemed to mind. That seemed very odd to > me, as a sport judge... According to rules the horse should not get a mark for cross canter/gallop. But it is enough if the horse shows correct gait "for at least one long side", the rest is obviously ignored. Krisse
Re: [IceHorses] What gait elephants?
On Jan 29, 2008 4:36 AM, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A lot of dogs > pace My dog's front legs run and her back legs hop along behind. V
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>>> Gaedingakeppni rules say it doesn't matter which lead the horse takes. >>> Which is quite understandable since the horse only needs to show gaits >>> on a straight track so there is no correct lead (if the competition is >>> on oval track the horse needs to show gaits on a long side which is also >>> straight). That's not sufficient information to me for evaluating a horse for breeding purpose. A horse that can't get the correct leads under saddle is not in balance - he might be in pain or scared, he might not be physically mature, might be naturally uncoordinated, he might have a stiff or unbalanced rider, but something isn't right. If you watch horses in the pasture, healthy horses will almost always get the "correct" lead, and will freely change leads when they change directions. Even newborn foals show appropriate lead changes, often seen during their first day of life. If the horse can't get the "correct" lead under saddle, I'd want to know WHY. It's a flag to me that something has been missed or rushed or that he might have a physical problem. Sure, most horses seem slightly one-sided and may initially find one lead easier than the other when they are first learning to balance a rider, but they usually figure it out very quickly when they are strong enough and not rushed. It's not like horses need to be "taught" the correct leads - they just need to be "allowed" the freedom to do what they do of their own free will, beginning during their first hours on earth. The reputable "general purpose" horse trainers in the USA that I know wouldn't consider a horse even "well started under saddle" until they can canter comfortably and relaxed, on the correct leads, both directions. The "wrong lead" itself doesn't actually worry me so much as it flags me that something is amiss. Most 8-10-year-old kids at the local hunter and western pleasure shows can request and get the correct lead - it's not exactly a "haute ecole" expectation. It's just a measure of good, basic horsemanship and a reaonably relaxed, healthy horse. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What gait elephants?
I've never yet been at a clinic where the Icelander didn't bother about the lead (unless the rider was a complete beginner who had never cantered before or something like that, and even then it was mentioned in theory). This rider had been riding with one of these clinicians, at least a couple of times per year for seven years. She had previously shown her horses some. She was not fearful of cantering - just blissfully ignorant that there is more to riding than "kick 'em to go". Additionally, before we rode, they showed us a video of a "for sale" mare they just happened to have at the farm. She was four, just imported a couple of weeks prior, and they were also taking her to that show, to compete her. (Yep, four years old, and imported just weeks earlier. She looked very depressed to me. A real bargain at ONLY $12,400. sheesh. So much for the old myth that they don't start them before they are 4.5 years old...) One of the other auditors, who had no Icelandic horse experience casually noted, "I notice that the mare is not tracking up in her gaits. Do you not care about that when you ride them?" The same "student" who later asked, "What's a lead?" asked, "What does tracking up mean?" Sigh. I told them I wasn't interested in the imported mare since I live in a risky area for SE, so I stick to domestic born horses. One of the clinicians flat out said that no horse he'd ever imported to KY had ever developed SE, and that the SE risks are way exagerated. Oh yeah, right. He asked where I'd gotten my first horses, and I told him from Robyn at the Icelandic Horse Farm and from Anneliese at Unicorn Valley. He told me that they only have inferior horses...yeah, right dude! The "for sale" mare was narrow-chested and toed-out, and any idiot (at least one capable of defining a canter lead) could see she had bad legs. Melnir, Brunka, Saga, Sina and Bjola have glorious conformation compared to the "superior" import he was hawking that day. I knew then that disreputable "horse traders" exist on every continent and island. The disappointing quality of instruction of the clinic was one thing, but slandering the Ice Farm and Unicorn Valley was just over the top. My life is too short to deal with scoundrels like those two. >>>Sounds like this guy needs shooting! Remember, it wasn't just "this" guy. There were two of them giving this clinic together, both of whom have competed at the international level. Both were "certified trainers" and both were Holar graduates. They both looked absolutely smashing in their riding breeches and tall boots. Beyond that, I'm having trouble thinking of anything positive to say about the clinic - just VERY happy that I didn't take one of my horses for that experience. NO ONE would have ridden my Sina the way they rode that mare - no one. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What gait elephants?
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:17:02 +0200 (EET), you wrote: >Gaedingakeppni rules say it doesn't matter which lead the horse takes. Which >is quite understandable since the horse only needs to show gaits on a straight >track so there is no correct lead (if the competition is on oval track the >horse needs to show gaits on a long side which is also straight). I have actually watched Gaedinakeppni held on an oval track where the horse took either the wrong lead, or cross gallop (disunited canter) on the shorts sides and no-one seemed to mind. That seemed very odd to me, as a sport judge... Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
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Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > So far as I can remember, not being that experienced with > gaedingakeppni (which is what the Landsmot is) you don't need the > correct lead in canter but the mark is higher if it's correct. > > At the WC (and all FEIF) competitions if you don't have the correct > lead you won't get a mark. Gaedingakeppni rules say it doesn't matter which lead the horse takes. Which is quite understandable since the horse only needs to show gaits on a straight track so there is no correct lead (if the competition is on oval track the horse needs to show gaits on a long side which is also straight). Krisse
Re: [IceHorses] What gait elephants?
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:15:15 -0500, you wrote: >A year or two later, that very same dude won one of the international titles >at the World Cup, and he was a previous "tolt champion" from Landsmott. So far as I can remember, not being that experienced with gaedingakeppni (which is what the Landsmot is) you don't need the correct lead in canter but the mark is higher if it's correct. At the WC (and all FEIF) competitions if you don't have the correct lead you won't get a mark. I've never yet been at a clinic where the Icelander didn't bother about the lead (unless the rider was a complete beginner who had never cantered before or something like that, and even then it was mentioned in theory). Sounds like this guy needs shooting! Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
RE: [IceHorses] What gait elephants?
>>> Oh, they are - horses must be on the correct lead in oval track competition (or dressage, of course). At the one and only Icelander-led clinic I attended, one of the horses repeatedly got the wrong lead on the track. I didn't want to be too bluntly critical, so I tried casually asking one of the clinicians how the Icelandic show judges score a wrong-lead canter. The American rider had been taking clinics from one of the clinicians for something like SEVEN years. She sweetly piped up, "What's a lead?" She was preparing to take that horse to a sanctioned Icelandic clinic the very next week, entering her in "five-gaited" classes, and she'd never even heard of "leads." To put it mildly, I was not impressed. The other clinician then got on the mare, rode her VERY roughly, and the mare STILL couldn't seem to get the right lead - not that man-handling her in that way was likely to make her relax and "get it," poor dear mare. I have a tape that Cary made of that Icelander riding that mare from that experience, and it hurts to watch how he rode that mare. A year or two later, that very same dude won one of the international titles at the World Cup, and he was a previous "tolt champion" from Landsmott. It was a Twilight Zone experience for me - I couldn't believe it. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1248 - Release Date: 1/28/2008 9:32 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] What gait elephants?
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:45:12 -0500, you wrote: > I was >surprised that no one mentioned "leads" when I first joined these lists - >apparently not a consideration in Icelandic showing. Oh, they are - horses must be on the correct lead in oval track competition (or dressage, of course). Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] What gait elephants?
Elephants do running walk, stepping pace and hard pace. A lot of dogs pace, some sheep can do stepping pace - and so do mice! Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
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> > That would be understandable if she were an Icelandic poodle - I was > surprised that no one mentioned "leads" when I first joined these lists - > apparently not a consideration in Icelandic showing. Go figure. > > > Karen Thomas, NC > i love this thing nasi does when curly ray is trying to show dominance and mounts him. He is so short he has to stand on his tippy toes and nasi will just start walking, change leads, walk, change leads, walk, its almost like weaving, almost pretty. he does it every time. He is just having fun making poor curly ray work harder for his "dominance" haha Janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
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well, actually, Liz told me some runningwalk. I think ruby trots but sometimes she goes so fast i think its a speed rack. Janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
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>>> We had a standard poodle that was forever on the wrong lead. That would be understandable if she were an Icelandic poodle - I was surprised that no one mentioned "leads" when I first joined these lists - apparently not a consideration in Icelandic showing. Go figure. Karen Thomas, NC
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Cary told me I was gait-obsessed the day I noticed > Carmen the cat pacing - but then, he agreed that she does indeed pace. We had a standard poodle that was forever on the wrong lead. Nancy
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The elephant is executing a gait not known to man nor beast. I think they have the front feet moving forward together and then the hind feet moving forward together. Somehow all I can visualize from that description would be some giant inch-worms sliding along! How funny! :) >>> But this got me to wondering what gait elephants actually do. Hard >>> pace? Elephants "lumber" right - whatever that means!?!? Seriously, I'm not sure. Our good gait-ally Liz is just back from studying the gaits of elephants in Thailand. We should ask her. I'm pretty sure that camels pace - as does one of my barn cats. Cary told me I was gait-obsessed the day I noticed Carmen the cat pacing - but then, he agreed that she does indeed pace. Karen Thomas, NC
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On 28/01/2008, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay ladies, you have completely ruined everything for me. I was just > watching a segment of Barbie, Island Princess (a cinematic classic) with > Brenda. The elephant is executing a gait not known to man nor beast. Yes, Nancy. You've caught the bug. I watch everything move now .even Sophie. Wanda
