Is WAP mobile Internet??
Hi Folks!! I would like to hear your opinions about how WAP people often say that WAP is "mobile Internet". In my opinion, WAP is NOT mobile Internet at all. The Internet is built on the e2e principle and based on the Internet Protocols, which WAP is not. I can not tell people that they should not use WAP (even if I have my opinions about WAP). If they believe in WAP that is their problem, but when they try to use the words WAP and Internet in the same sentence I think it is time to clarify a few things. I accept that WAP is there, but be honest about what it is. Cheers! /Lars-Erik (expressing my PERSONAL opinions)
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I might be missing something here but weren't mobile phones around for years before they became as ubiquituous as they are now? Tatty bye, Jim'll
Re: Is WAP mobile Internet??
At 13.54 +0200 00-06-30, Lars-Erik Jonsson wrote: I would like to hear your opinions about how WAP people often say that WAP is "mobile Internet". Well, Ericsson do in their ads :-) :-) (I say to a person at Ericsson). From my point of view, you can (through a proxy service) access (some) Internet Services via WAP, but not Internet. Exactly because of the reasons you listed in your email. Internet is end2end IP. If you understand swedish, you can find one specification of "what should be part of an Internet connection" on http://www.itkommissionen.se/obs/obs_spec.html It specifies what is needed for calling something "Internet". Nothing connected to WAP will pass those tests. paf
Re: WAP - What A Problem...
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Simpkins t yped: Valdis, I agree with you a hundred percent. The most expensive part of infrastructure is pulling the cables/fiber necessary to build the infrastrucuture. thats why intelsat and a cosortium of telcos has a charity that built a box that is solar powered and provides n gsm phones access + 1 64kbps uplink/downlink to geostatinary atellites actualyl, a LOT of places that are really poor in the world dont even have electricty- but they can get batteries and if they use sms (e.g. for calling emergency service/flying doctors/vets etc), they can make them last quite a long time --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:41:37 +0200, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If they are that lacking in mere wires, they probably aren't in a position to profit from access to the Internet in the first place. That is, if they lack telephones (and that's all they need for broadband, or at least it's the better part of the battle), why would they be surfing the Web? First things first. The fact that they lack wires doesn't mean they lack telephones. Remember that wires are expensive to pull, especially for those 3 houses out on the far side of the mountain down the dirt road. Countries without landlines are not going to be a part of the global economy unless they upgrade in a major way very soon. You got this wrong. Countries without *connectivity* will be screwed. There's no *obvious* requirement that there be a landline involved. Having said that, I'm *not* a WAP proponent. ;) -- Valdis Kletnieks Operating Systems Analyst Virginia Tech ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ cheers jon
Re: WAP - What A Problem...
-- Forwarded by Jim Stephenson-Dunn/C/HQ/3Com on 06/30/2000 11:24 AM --- sent by: Jim Stephenson-Dunn - Network Engineer, GIS LAN/WAN To: Alan Simpkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem... (Document link: Database 'Jim Stephenson-Dunn', View '($Sent)') Valdis and Alan, you have a very valid point, infrastructure is not only expensive but very time consuming. The engineering component (configuration) is a relatively quick process by comparison. A country cannot just throw in a national communications infrastructure overnight. Having said that though, if people don't know how to use the telephone, they are unlikely to embrace the Internet. IMHO as the world slowly goes IP, this is perhaps an attempt by the Telco,s who see shrinking margins to try and bolster use of their products. I am having conversations with about 9 people around the world who are building a pure IP infrastructure (point to point fiber) who are going nowhere near the Telco's. Whilst it may appeal to the boys and their toys complex who may feel that having a WAP enabled handset empowers them and/or makes the neighbours jealous WAP that brings the Internet to a cellular device is of limited use because of the power and memory constraints of those devices. Why look at information on a WAP enabled phone with it's small screen, when it is easier to pull out my laptop, fire it up and see all of the information in one place at one time, with lots of memory and processing power at my command. Whilst I realise that Voice protocols have their place, it is IMHO only a matter of time, before this family of protocols gets to old and unworkable in the new world order of IP, that we will have little choice but to take it into the backyard with a shotgun. Jim ** Legal Disclaimer The opinions expressed within this mail are specifically my own and in no way refer to or relate to any ongoing business and/or the technical direction of 3Com Corporation, or any subsidiary companies or business units within 3Com Corporation and its subsidiaries. ** Alan Simpkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 06/30/2000 08:22:38 AM Sent by: Alan Simpkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Stephenson-Dunn/C/HQ/3Com) Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem... Valdis, I agree with you a hundred percent. The most expensive part of infrastructure is pulling the cables/fiber necessary to build the infrastrucuture. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:41:37 +0200, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If they are that lacking in mere wires, they probably aren't in a position to profit from access to the Internet in the first place. That is, if they lack telephones (and that's all they need for broadband, or at least it's the better part of the battle), why would they be surfing the Web? First things first. The fact that they lack wires doesn't mean they lack telephones. Remember that wires are expensive to pull, especially for those 3 houses out on the far side of the mountain down the dirt road. Countries without landlines are not going to be a part of the global economy unless they upgrade in a major way very soon. You got this wrong. Countries without *connectivity* will be screwed. There's no *obvious* requirement that there be a landline involved. Having said that, I'm *not* a WAP proponent. ;) -- Valdis Kletnieks Operating Systems Analyst Virginia Tech ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: RFC 2862 on RTP Payload Format for Real-Time Pointers
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 2862 Title: RTP Payload Format for Real-Time Pointers Author(s): M. Civanlar, G. Cash Status: Standards Track Date: June 2000 Mailbox:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pages: 7 Characters: 12031 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:None I-D Tag:draft-ietf-avt-pointer-02.txt This document describes an RTP [1] payload format for transporting the Um, there doesn't seem to be a "URL" field for this announcement. RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
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Re: Is WAP mobile Internet??
I don't think WAP Mobile Internet any more than TCP/IP is Internet. The Mobile Internet is data/communication devices you carry around with you. Here in Japan we have 8 million non-WAP mobile internet users, plus another 2 million WAP users, and the numbers are exploding. But, and I know this may be the wrong mailing list for this comment, the point is a non-technical one. Users don't care if it's WAP/WML, or cHTML or MML or text SMS, on a cdmaONE network, PDC-P, or what. Technically, I think many agree that WAP and its various technical standards are ill-conceived and poorly executed, but that doesn't mean the potential of the Mobile Internet isn't there. I personally think if WAP migrated to xHTML and operators looked at the successes here in Japan, than the next generation of WAP phones (or whatever you call them) really can and will be Mobile Internet. Regards, r e n Lars-Erik Jonsson wrote: Hi Folks!! I would like to hear your opinions about how WAP people often say that WAP is "mobile Internet". In my opinion, WAP is NOT mobile Internet at all. The Internet is built on the e2e principle and based on the Internet Protocols, which WAP is not. I can not tell people that they should not use WAP (even if I have my opinions about WAP). If they believe in WAP that is their problem, but when they try to use the words WAP and Internet in the same sentence I think it is time to clarify a few things. I accept that WAP is there, but be honest about what it is. Cheers! /Lars-Erik (expressing my PERSONAL opinions) -- ascii: r e n f i e l d octal: \162 \145 \156 \146 \151 \145 \154 \144 hex: \x72 \x65 \x6e \x66 \x69 \x65 \x6c \x64 morgan stanley dean witter japan e-business technologies | engineering and strategy S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: WAP - What A Problem...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:12:26 +0200, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Anyway, I have a really good instinct for picking technology winners, and thus far I put WAP in the same category as MiniDiscs, bubble memory, color fax machines, and quadraphonic sound. I think the growth area is in: The MiniDisc died. MP3 is a big business. People wanted the functionality. The MD is in no way dead. There are MILLIONS of them in Japan and across Asia. MDs never took off in the US/Europe, but that doesn't relegate it to the betmax graveyard. When 1 billion Chinese are recording their MP3s onto MDs and memory sticks, would you call that a dead technology? WAP may die like the other stuff mentioned above. However, people DO want the functionality - or something like it. Absolutely. Whatever the technical standard, mobile computing is not going away. Regards, r e n -- ascii: r e n f i e l d octal: \162 \145 \156 \146 \151 \145 \154 \144 hex: \x72 \x65 \x6e \x66 \x69 \x65 \x6c \x64 ** note new work email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Is WAP mobile Internet??
r e n; I don't think WAP Mobile Internet any more than TCP/IP is Internet. There is no such thing as WAP Mobile Internet. The Mobile Internet is data/communication devices you carry around with you. Here in Japan we have 8 million non-WAP mobile internet users, plus another 2 million WAP users, and the numbers are exploding. They are no internet users. Just as the Internet was not e-mail several years ago when e-mail was the most popular application, the Internet is not web. But, and I know this may be the wrong mailing list for this comment, No. It is merely that your understanding on the Internet is wrong in any mailing list. Masataka Ohta
