Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
On Sunday 18 July 2010 08:08:00 சிவகுமார் மா wrote: bash முனையத்தில் சில சுருக்க வழிகளை பயன்படுத்தலாம் bash keyboard shortcuts Alt+D - தற்போதைய இடத்திலிருந்து அடுத்த சொல்லை வெட்டு cut the next word from the cursor position Alt+F - தற்போதைய இடத்திலிருந்து அடுத்த சொல்லுக்குச் செல் go to the next word Alt+B - தற்போதைய இடத்திலிருந்து முந்தைய சொல்லுக்குச் செல் go to previous word Alt+T - தற்போதைய இடத்திலிருந்து முந்தைய சொல்லை தற்போதைய இடத்தைத் தாண்டி அனுப்பு move the previous word beyond the cursor position Alt+C - தற்போதைய இடத்தில் எழுத்தை பெரிய எழுத்தாக மாற்று (a - A) capitalise the letter at the cursor position (what use is this in tamil??) Alt+U - தற்போதைய இடத்தில் சொல்லின் எல்லா எழுத்துக்களையும் பெரிய எழுத்துக்களாக மாற்று (a-A) lower case the current letter (again no use for tamil) Alt+L - தற்போதைய இடத்தில் சொல்லின் எல்லா எழுத்துக்களையும் சின்ன எழுத்துக்களாக மாற்று (A -a) uppercase the current word Ctrl+U - தற்போதைய இடத்திலிருந்து ஆரம்பம் வரை வெட்டு delete from cursor to beginning Ctrl+K - தற்போதைய இடத்திலிருந்து கடைசி வரை வெட்டு delete from cursor to end Ctrl+Y - கடைசியாக சேமித்ததை (வெட்டுதல் மூலம்) ஒட்டு paste the last saved (by cutting) Ctrl+T - தற்போதைய இடத்திற்கு முந்தைய எழுத்தை தற்போதை இடத்துக்கு அப்புறம் நகர்த்து move the letter before the cursor beyond the cursor Ctrl+A - கட்டளைத் தொடரின் ஆரம்பத்துக்குப் போ go to beginning of the command Ctrl+E - கட்டளைத் தொடரின் இறுதிக்குப் போ go to the end of the command Ctrl+B - ஒரு எழுத்து பின்னோக்கிப் போ go back one letter (2007ல் பாரதி சுப்ரமணியன் அனுப்பிய அஞ்சலிலிருந்து) from the post of Bharathi Subramaniam in 2007 -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Re: [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லை ன் சுருக்கு முறை கள்
வாரத்திற்கு ஒரு தடவையாச்சும் இது போன்ற விஷயங்களை தொடர்ச்சியாக பகிர்ந்துக்கோங்க. தஸ்தகீர் அனுப்பும் அனுதினமும் ஒரு அப்ளிகேஷன் மாதிரி இங்கே இருக்கும் பலருக்கும் இது உதவியாக இருக்கும். மேலும் தமிழில் ஒரு கட்டற்ற கணிமை தொடர்பான மாத இதழை தொடங்கவும் முயற்சிகள் மேற்கொண்டு வருகிறோம். அதற்கான சட்ட பூர்வமான நடவடிக்கைகள் பூர்த்தியாகும் போது கைவசம் குறைஞ்சது மூன்று மாசத்துக்கு தேவையான தொழில்நுட்ப விவரங்கள் தமிழில் இருந்தால் மிகவும் பயனுள்ளதாக இருக்கும். மேலும் அவ்வப்போது இதனை கணிமொழியிலும் எடுத்துப் போடறேன். -- ஆமாச்சு ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
Dear Mohan, Please remember that we never used harsh words in our discussions even we disagree with any person. Note that siva has tagged as [Tamil] as our members requested in the previous threads. Even, no one requested not to send mail in tamil. people requested for tamil tag and siva added that. But, as per the guidelines, siva should posted the english translation. Somehow he missed that. For that, your words are not fair. Please follow good ethics while disagreeing with any person. --- Dear Siva, This is an example of how people get irritated when they see just boxes in their mails. We already added the guidelines to add english translation too. It is your responsible to follow the guidelines. Even KG volunteered to translate in english when I compose this mail. But, Mohan expressed his thoughts before the translation. We all should be in list and discuss some useful things. Pure Tamil should not be the reason for the people to go out of the list. Please add english translations in your mails. We had this in our guidelines already. I am ready getting some mails from group of people who know Telugu, Malayalam, Hindi, MorseCode. They request me to approve their mails that will be in PURE language without english translation. I strongly advised them to add english translation. Explained them how it will be unfair to the whole list. They all agreed to post in english or with english translation. Let us stop the language war here. The OP should add english translation. Anyone that crosses guidelines regularly will be banned from the list, as we ban the people who mails on the requesting to join social networking sites. Thanks a lot. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My experiences with Linux are here http://goinggnu.wordpress.com For Free and Open Source Jobs http://fossjobs.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
On Sunday 18 July 2010 11:49:18 ஆமாச்சு wrote: வாரத்திற்கு ஒரு தடவையாச்சும் இது போன்ற விஷயங்களை தொடர்ச்சியாக பகிர்ந்துக்கோங்க. மேல் தினிக்கும் அஞ்சல்களைத் தவிர்க்கவும் (trans: please avoid top posting) -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
2010/7/18 Mohan L l.mohan...@gmail.com: No body asking you to post those information in Tamil . But you are posting. Nobody asks anyone to post to a LUG . Its voluntary . Its the passion and an urge to share which makes some one post . It seems me you don't have any other useful work to do. So, you are very happy to irritating thousand of people. I request you please do some useful work. Posting in Tamil is not irritating . Please use a mail filter if you want them to end up in trash . Its very easy to filter out now that all of them are tagged properly . http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=6579 Your need to decrease the spiteful nature of the mail when writing to a public list . Just imagine how thousands will feel about you . I request you please please please don't send your stupid(I am really sorry) replay to again this thread, because I am going to unsubscribe from ilugc. You are not replaying the thread . You are being offensive against the tamil mailers . They are spreading free software ( which is bash in this case ) in tamil . Thats a good thing to do and will encourage tamil free software community in the larger audience ( the same audience cant be found in normal tamil groups) PS: Sivakumar great work . Looking forward to more such mails ,but atleast a one liner in english on mail contents will help . Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri http://look-pavi.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
On Sunday 18 July 2010 12:02:57 Shrinivasan T wrote: Even KG volunteered to translate in english when I compose this mail. unfortunately I could not find the words கமாண்ட் லைன in the dictionary - apologies ;-) -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
Hi Mohan, 18 ஜூலை, 2010 11:20 am அன்று, Mohan L l.mohan...@gmail.com எழுதியது: No body asking you to post those information in Tamil . But you are posting. It seems me you don't have any other useful work to do. So, you are very happy to irritating thousand of people. I request you please do some useful work. My intention is not to irritate anyone. Anyone can filter out my mails with the [Tamil] tag and ignore all Tamil mails. Even though I am not entirely happy with being forced to add [Tamil] tag, I add it understanding the need of other members and following the list guideline. I request you please please please don't send your stupid(I am really sorry replay to again this thread, because I am going to unsubscribe from ilugc. It could be stupid from some angles Mohan. But it is valuable from other angles. Try to understand my position. If you can not agree with that, atleast respect that. Keep being part of the list and help the FOSS movement to flourish and grow. Best regards, Ma Sivakumar Ma Sivakumar எல்லோரும் எல்லாமும் பெற வேண்டும் http://masivakumar.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லை ன் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
18 ஜூலை, 2010 11:49 am அன்று, ஆமாச்சு ramada...@amachu.net எழுதியது: வாரத்திற்கு ஒரு தடவையாச்சும் இது போன்ற விஷயங்களை தொடர்ச்சியாக பகிர்ந்துக்கோங்க. தஸ்தகீர் அனுப்பும் அனுதினமும் ஒரு அப்ளிகேஷன் மாதிரி இங்கே இருக்கும் பலருக்கும் இது உதவியாக இருக்கும். நன்றி ஆமாச்சு. தொடர்ந்து என்னால் முடிந்த வரை எழுதுகிறேன். அன்புடன், Ma Sivakumar எல்லோரும் எல்லாமும் பெற வேண்டும் http://masivakumar.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லை ன் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
On 7/18/10, சிவகுமார் மா masivaku...@gmail.com wrote: 18 ஜூலை, 2010 11:49 am அன்று, ஆமாச்சு ramada...@amachu.net எழுதியது: வாரத்திற்கு ஒரு தடவையாச்சும் இது போன்ற விஷயங்களை தொடர்ச்சியாக பகிர்ந்துக்கோங்க. தஸ்தகீர் அனுப்பும் அனுதினமும் ஒரு அப்ளிகேஷன் மாதிரி இங்கே இருக்கும் பலருக்கும் இது உதவியாக இருக்கும். நன்றி ஆமாச்சு. தொடர்ந்து என்னால் முடிந்த வரை எழுதுகிறேன். நீ வாழ பிறரை கெடுக்காதே! Ramar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
18 ஜூலை, 2010 12:02 pm அன்று, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.comஎழுதியது: Dear Srini, This is an example of how people get irritated when they see just boxes in their mails. There is a reasonable way to avoid these mails. In a technical list, even a tag is not needed to filter out certain content (use unicode character range for eg), but respecting your guideline and some members' requirement I will add the [Tamil] tag until better sense prevails. We already added the guidelines to add english translation too. It is your responsible to follow the guidelines. Please reconsider the guideline. If someone is filtering out the mails why translation is needed? If translation is provided why the stamping ([Tamil]). Even KG volunteered to translate in english when I compose this mail. But, Mohan expressed his thoughts before the translation. You took it up with Mohan. We all should be in list and discuss some useful things. Pure Tamil should not be the reason for the people to go out of the list. Agree with you 100%. Even though we agree on the manner of discussions, the intention of everyone is same. Please add english translations in your mails. We had this in our guidelines already. Please reconsider as that puts un-necessary burden. I am ready getting some mails from group of people who know Telugu, Malayalam, Hindi, MorseCode. They request me to approve their mails that will be in PURE language without english translation. As I said earlier Srini, it is logical to converse in Tamil in a Chennai list. This argument seems to be made to prevent mailing in Tamil. I strongly advised them to add english translation. Explained them how it will be unfair to the whole list. They all agreed to post in english or with english translation. Let us stop the language war here. Agreed. The OP should add english translation. The guidelines should Insist on [Tamil] OR translation NOT both. Anyone that crosses guidelines regularly will be banned from the list, as we ban the people who mails on the requesting to join social networking sites. That is unfair, comparing writing in Tamil to requesting to join social networking sites :-) Ma Sivakumar எல்லோரும் எல்லாமும் பெற வேண்டும் http://masivakumar.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
18 ஜூலை, 2010 12:14 pm அன்று, pavithran pavithra...@gmail.com எழுதியது: PS: Sivakumar great work . Looking forward to more such mails ,but atleast a one liner in english on mail contents will help . Thanks Pavithran. Ma Sivakumar எல்லோரும் எல்லாமும் பெற வேண்டும் http://masivakumar.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லை ன் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
அன்புள்ள ராமன், 18 ஜூலை, 2010 1:33 pm அன்று, Ramar K krama...@gmail.com எழுதியது: நீ வாழ பிறரை கெடுக்காதே! தமிழில் எழுதுவதால் யாருக்கு என்ன கெடுதி என்று தனி மடலிலோ, இங்கு பொதுவிலோ விளக்குங்கள். தமிழில் எழுதுவதை தடுப்பதால் பெரும் கெடுதி உருவாக்குகிறோம் என்பது எனது கருத்து. அன்புடன், Ma Sivakumar எல்லோரும் எல்லாமும் பெற வேண்டும் http://masivakumar.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
2010/7/18 சிவகுமார் மா masivaku...@gmail.com: 18 ஜூலை, 2010 12:02 pm அன்று, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.comஎழுதியது: Dear Srini, This is an example of how people get irritated when they see just boxes in their mails. There is a reasonable way to avoid these mails. In a technical list, even a tag is not needed to filter out certain content (use unicode character range for eg), but respecting your guideline and some members' requirement I will add the [Tamil] tag until better sense prevails. Thanks for the [Tamil] tag. We already added the guidelines to add english translation too. It is your responsible to follow the guidelines. Please reconsider the guideline. If someone is filtering out the mails why translation is needed? If translation is provided why the stamping ([Tamil]). http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2010-July/058743.html The added guidelines are in the above link. It never talked about the [Tamil] Tag. 1. Have the subject in English 2. Provide a translation of the content in english, if we use any other language in the content. You did not followed any of the above guidelines. Please add english translations in your mails. We had this in our guidelines already. Please reconsider as that puts un-necessary burden. Please dont think following guidelines is burden. Avoiding top post carefully, Avoiding SMS Language, Quoting properly, is tough only. But we all follow the guidelines to maintain a good culture in the list. I request you to follow the guidelines. I am ready getting some mails from group of people who know Telugu, Malayalam, Hindi, MorseCode. They request me to approve their mails that will be in PURE language without english translation. As I said earlier Srini, it is logical to converse in Tamil in a Chennai list. This argument seems to be made to prevent mailing in Tamil. It is the same logic to discuss in hindi as we are a part of Indian Linux User Group. We never prevented Tamil mailing. We all welcome that. But, as a major part of the people dont know reading tamil, they have no clue on what you are sending. They need the translation from the OP. We should consider their request. I dont know why you are not considering this request. The OP should add english translation. The guidelines should Insist on [Tamil] OR translation NOT both. Yes. 1. Have the subject in English 2. Provide a translation of the content in english, if we use any other language in the content. Guidelines insist the English translation only. Not [Tamil] Tag. Not both. Anyone that crosses guidelines regularly will be banned from the list, as we ban the people who mails on the requesting to join social networking sites. That is unfair, comparing writing in Tamil to requesting to join social networking sites :-) Guidelines are to be followed. Not to break intentionally. There should not be any intended violation of guidelines. --- We should know the information from the tamil mails, without searching for a tamil known person to read the mails. Already requested for a solution in http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2010-July/058775.html Please give a solution. 1. you are denying deliberately some part of people from getting the information 2. you are breaking the guidelines What shall we do? -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My experiences with Linux are here http://goinggnu.wordpress.com For Free and Open Source Jobs http://fossjobs.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
18 ஜூலை, 2010 2:31 pm அன்று, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.comஎழுதியது: 2010/7/18 சிவகுமார் மா masivaku...@gmail.com: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2010-July/058743.html The added guidelines are in the above link. It never talked about the [Tamil] Tag. 1. Have the subject in English 2. Provide a translation of the content in english, if we use any other language in the content. You did not followed any of the above guidelines. You have me there. As per your guidelines, I am wrong. (The guidelines were revised hastily and without considering all aspects. But, if that is the way this list should remain, I am sorry about that). Best regards, Ma Sivakumar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
2010/7/18 சிவகுமார் மா masivaku...@gmail.com: bash முனையத்தில் சில சுருக்க வழிகளை பயன்படுத்தலாம் By default, bash uses Emacs key bindings(It can of course be mapped to vi bindings). Telling it this way would make it easier for emacs users :) -- Thank you Balachandran Sivakumar Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached. Mail: benignb...@gmail.com Blog: http://benignbala.wordpress.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
RE: [Ilugc] Tamil in various browsers
Dear co-ordinator, Already Amachu is tagging subject lines of his mails. Sivakumar also did the same. What other solution do people expect? It is not amachu's fault that those browsers didn't have Tamil fonts. If people don't want to read Tamil mails and hence won't install fonts they can simply redirect the tagged mail to /dev/null. This discussion began by people requesting(demanding) this very same functionality. But now it has morphed into *'Don't send Tamil mails at all' demand. Is it fair?* what can Tamil mail senders do other than tagging? Translation cannot be always done. Please consider the difficulty in doing so and decide the correct course of action. @Mohan: Do not to use such words in a public forum. You are free to send tagged mails to /dev/null. If you are lazy to add a filter don't expect other people to add translation. When [tamil] tag is there and all non Tamil knowing people (or people who wont install font and see boxes) have filtered it then why some people demand translation? Doesn't this sound ridiculous? I'm in full agreement with sivakumar and others in this matter. It is either translation or tag. Not both. There seems to be some sinister design to stop Tamil mails in this list. -- அகிலன்(Akilan R) (http://www.coding-aviator.blogspot.com) I should have no use for a paradise in which I should be deprived of the right to prefer hell. --Jean Rostand ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Tamil in various browsers
2010/7/18 Akilan R akila...@gmail.com Dear co-ordinator, Already Amachu is tagging subject lines of his mails. Sivakumar also did the same. What other solution do people expect? It is not amachu's fault that those browsers didn't have Tamil fonts. If people don't want to read Tamil mails and hence won't install fonts they can simply redirect the tagged mail to /dev/null. This discussion began by people requesting(demanding) this very same functionality. But now it has morphed into *'Don't send Tamil mails at all' demand. Is it fair?* what can Tamil mail senders do other than tagging? Translation cannot be always done. Please consider the difficulty in doing so and decide the correct course of action. @Mohan: Do not to use such words in a public forum. You are free to send tagged mails to /dev/null. If you are lazy to add a filter don't expect other people to add translation. When [tamil] tag is there and all non Tamil knowing people (or people who wont install font and see boxes) have filtered it then why some people demand translation? Doesn't this sound ridiculous? I'm in full agreement with sivakumar and others in this matter. It is either translation or tag. Not both. There seems to be some sinister design to stop Tamil mails in this list. Dear Akilan, Thanks for speaking up. Hope better sense prevails. Best regards, Ma Sivakumar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
18 ஜூலை, 2010 3:07 pm அன்று, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.comஎழுதியது: You have me there. As per your guidelines, I am wrong. (The guidelines were revised hastily and without considering all aspects. But, if that is the way this list should remain, I am sorry about that). We were keep on requesting for a solution for non-tamil people. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2010-July/058775.html http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2010-July/058828.html we do not get any reply for that request so far. Non-tamil people should set a filter (one time activity) to send all mails with [Tamil] tag to trash. They have enough content without bothering about a few Tamil mails in the list. You can not have guidelines which expect a lot of additional work (translate) and defeats the purpose (Subject in English). A [Tamil] tag serves everyone's purpose. Please revise the guidelines. Ma Sivakumar எல்லோரும் எல்லாமும் பெற வேண்டும் http://masivakumar.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
18 ஜூலை, 2010 3:45 pm அன்று, Balachandran Sivakumar benignb...@gmail.comஎழுதியது: 2010/7/18 சிவகுமார் மா masivaku...@gmail.com: bash முனையத்தில் சில சுருக்க வழிகளை பயன்படுத்தலாம் By default, bash uses Emacs key bindings(It can of course be mapped to vi bindings). Telling it this way would make it easier for emacs users :) Is it not readline? Both Emacs and Vi editing modes are available. http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/readline/rltop.html Do you know why Emails key bindings are used by default? Best regards, Ma Sivakumar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] fedora games
Hai! I am a Polytechnic student. I have intressted in linux based projects. So any body help me... Thanks By Kannan.B ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..
Dear all, Myself, Akilan Sivakumar as expressed in a previous thread feel, this list has been set a guideline that is suppessive biased. If you feel the same way, I request you to all to suport us in this thread so that it is realised and amended accordingly. -- ஆமாச்சு ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Re: Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..
On Sunday 18 Jul 2010 6:41:54 pm ஆமாச்சு wrote: this list has been set a guideline that is suppessive biased. Sorry, thats my own remark. Sivakumar Akilan have similar opinion. -- ஆமாச்சு ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..
Myself, Akilan Sivakumar as expressed in a previous thread feel, this list has been set a guideline that is suppessive biased. If you feel the same way, I request you to all to suport us in this thread so that it is realised and amended accordingly. +1 I feel that the guideline is biased and has to be changed -Sree Pratheep. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Request for non-native language speakers in any LUG's mailing list
//please give a solution to the list members to know the information from the tamil mails.// Technology by and large is in English these days. We learn English to know What is there. Few of us work to get that done back in our own language. If some one want to know something expressed in a language other than theirs, they have to learn it, hire themselves one or more translator or create a common fund and appoint some people full time to do translations for them on their behalf. They can obvioulsy make a humble request, but if that doesn't happen, cannot command the others. Nothing much can be done. PS: Dear KG, off late since I had to be on vacation for quite a long time and for similar other reasons, I have chosen to read mails from ILUGC GMANE interface's RSS feeds. Hence quoting the mails in a different manner. Will set back to normal in course of time, and then come back to normal ways of quoting. That helped in one way that all the falmes didn't arrive at my inbox. I am sorry for that. -- ஆமாச்சு ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [OT] Whats happened to ILUGC?
Hello luggies, I remember the days i used to run to TV for my favorite soap or run to a cinema to get tickets, well now a days i got lot more in ma gmail inbox. I run home everyday to see whats happening in ILUGC mailing list. Its so dramatic. During my college starting years I used to look upon to ilugc mailing list for every technical clarification i had, for news updates etc. and i wish it be so that way for present college goes or new learners, this shouldn't be lost in a melodramatic fight. Well its a persons choice to choose his language for communication no doubt but when in comes to something public, it should be on the overall public's favor of goodwill. And considering the fact that not every one may know the regional language used, a translation of the same in english may be provided. When a program is written a documentation is given so that a person who is not so profound with the programming language may understand whats happening in the program. So with the same spirit why not document the regional post in english. Thank you ! * Well just to make a point i would also like to mention that none of you would have read this if it were in Croatian like this Pozdrav luggies, Sjećam se dana sam koristio za trčanje na TV za moj omiljeni sapun ili trčanje to kino dobiti ulaznice, ali sada dana dobio sam puno više u ma Gmail inbox. I trči svakodnevno vidjeti što se događa u ILUGC mailing listu. Njegova tako dramatična. Tijekom godina počinju mom faksu sam se gledati na to ilugc mailing listu za svaki tehničkih pojašnjenja ja je, za vijesti ažuriranja i sl. i ja bih da bude tako da se put za sadašnje faksu ide ili nove učenike, to ne bi trebao biti izgubljen u melodramatske boriti. Pa njen osobama izbor za izabrati svoj jezik za komunikaciju bez sumnje, ali kada je u pitanju nešto što javnost, to bi trebalo biti na korist sveukupne javnosti dobre volje. A s obzirom da ne svatko može znati regionalni jezik koji se koristi, prijevod iste na engleskom jeziku mogu se osigurati. Kada je program napisan dokumentacija se daje, tako da osoba koja nije toliko duboka s programskom jeziku može razumjeti što se događa u programu. Tako je s istom duhu zašto ne dokumentu regionalne post na engleskom jeziku. Hvala vam! * -- with love from India, swamy , wattabottles ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Re: Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..
this list has been set a guideline that is suppessive biased. If you feel the same way, I request you to all to suport us in this thread so that it is realised and amended accordingly. Requesting to add Tamil tag is fine. But commanding to give the English translation is suppressive biased. The guidelines need to be revised if it's true that this mailing list gives equal freedom for all. -- நன்றிகளுடன், விக்னேஷ். ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..
Friends. We always welcome mails in tamil. But with a translation. Everyone in the list have same rights. It is non-ethical to discuss something where some people see only boxes, question marks, non readable characters. It means they are prohibited to read the mails in the list. No one has the authority to prevent the readers from getting the information. This basic right of getting information should be maintained for all the list members. Please give a solution to maintain the basic rights of all people. Giving English translation is a nice solution. If you can not do all the times, it is illegal to ask people to bear the boxes and question marks. As you know more about freedom, please give a solution to the list members to know the information from the tamil mails. We have the following requirement. We should know the information from the tamil mails, without searching for a tamil known person to read the mails. Any solution from you? -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My experiences with Linux are here http://goinggnu.wordpress.com For Free and Open Source Jobs http://fossjobs.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..
Shrini, 2010/7/18 Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com Everyone in the list have same rights. It is non-ethical to discuss something where some people see only boxes, question marks, non readable characters. To avoid boxes, question marks and non readable characters - either install Tamil fonts or filter out mails with [Tamil] tag. That is a one time task and the mails will not bother in future. It means they are prohibited to read the mails in the list. No one has the authority to prevent the readers from getting the information. This basic right of getting information should be maintained for all the list members. If Tamil mails are not allowed, that information will not be generated at all. Then where is the question of preventing the readers from the getting information, if Tamil discussions are not taking place, everyone loses. Please give a solution to maintain the basic rights of all people. Giving English translation is a nice solution. If you can not do all the times, it is illegal to ask people to bear the boxes and question marks. For boxes and question marks use filtering of [Tamil] tagged mails and get on with the regular English mails (which will continue as now). What we seek is to generate more discussions and more participation by having Tamil communication as an option. This will be over and above what is taking place now. We have the following requirement. We should know the information from the tamil mails, without searching for a tamil known person to read the mails. If Tamil discussions do not take place, that information is simply not available. In that case everyone loses. Without English translation, only some people fail to get the information. Even for that, there are interested list members who are willing and volunteering to translate. But that should not be in the guidelines for the poster. Best regards, Ma Siva Kumar எல்லோரும் எல்லாமும் பெற வேண்டும் http://masivakumar.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Whats happened to ILUGC?
2010/7/18 swamynathan mesw...@gmail.com Hello luggies, I remember the days i used to run to TV for my favorite soap or run to a cinema to get tickets, well now a days i got lot more in ma gmail inbox. I run home everyday to see whats happening in ILUGC mailing list. Its so dramatic. During my college starting years I used to look upon to ilugc mailing list for every technical clarification i had, for news updates etc. and i wish it be so that way for present college goes or new learners, this shouldn't be lost in a melodramatic fight. Well its a persons choice to choose his language for communication no doubt but when in comes to something public, it should be on the overall public's favor of goodwill. And considering the fact that not every one may know the regional language used, a translation of the same in english may be provided. When a program is written a documentation is given so that a person who is not so profound with the programming language may understand whats happening in the program. So with the same spirit why not document the regional post in english. Thank you ! * That is a nice relief from the intense discussions, thanks :-). Well just to make a point i would also like to mention that none of you would have read this if it were in Croatian like this You would do it only to make a point, not in day to day communication. Please understand that whoever sends a message to the list, wants it to be read by as many people as possible. It is in the interest of the sender to reach as many people as possible. Writing in Tamil loses the attention of many non-Tamil list members, that is the sacrifice the sender is willing to take, to reach better to some other group in the list. Only when it is felt that a particular language (in this case Tamil) will be received by many persons, one will write in that language. What is the point in writing if there is no one else who will understand, benefit and respond to it. You will have not motivation to write. Best regards, Ma Sivakumar எல்லோரும் எல்லாமும் பெற வேண்டும் http://masivakumar.blogspot.com Pozdrav luggies, Sjećam se dana sam koristio za trčanje na TV za moj omiljeni sapun ili trčanje to kino dobiti ulaznice, ali sada dana dobio sam puno više u ma Gmail inbox. I trči svakodnevno vidjeti što se događa u ILUGC mailing listu. Njegova tako dramatična. Tijekom godina počinju mom faksu sam se gledati na to ilugc mailing listu za svaki tehničkih pojašnjenja ja je, za vijesti ažuriranja i sl. i ja bih da bude tako da se put za sadašnje faksu ide ili nove učenike, to ne bi trebao biti izgubljen u melodramatske boriti. Pa njen osobama izbor za izabrati svoj jezik za komunikaciju bez sumnje, ali kada je u pitanju nešto što javnost, to bi trebalo biti na korist sveukupne javnosti dobre volje. A s obzirom da ne svatko može znati regionalni jezik koji se koristi, prijevod iste na engleskom jeziku mogu se osigurati. Kada je program napisan dokumentacija se daje, tako da osoba koja nije toliko duboka s programskom jeziku može razumjeti što se događa u programu. Tako je s istom duhu zašto ne dokumentu regionalne post na engleskom jeziku. Hvala vam! * -- with love from India, swamy , wattabottles ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] foss news-34
FossNews-34 is released. Table of contents: Contents 1. Richard Stallman on .NET, Mono and DotGNU 2. PDF Manipulations And Conversions From Linux Command Prompt 3. Top 10 totally amazing wallpapers made Using Inkscape 4. Fix the Windows Registry from a Linux Thumb Drive 5. DuckDuckGo: A New Search Engine Built from Open Source 6. Spotify Streaming Music Player Comes to Linux 7. Linuxables: Your First Steps with Linux vi 8. Is Google Chrome Really the Windows Killer, or the Linux Killer? 9. Open Source Hardware Definition released, first Open Hardware Summit 10. My Favorite 4 RSS Feed Reader Application For Ubuntu 11. 6 of the Best Free Linux Library Management Systems 12. Ghosting The Machine 13. Teaching Special Kids How to Write Simple Sentences and Paragraphs using Moodle 1.9 etc. Download at : http://tinyurl.com/2ur5lyc Regards, A.Yaassir Arrafath Kanchi Linux User Group Rocks !! http://kanchilug.wordpress.com My Views for u http://pheonixtuxworld.wordpress.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Fwd: [fsug-tvm] Rupee font in open format
-- Forwarded message -- From: Aveek Sen avee...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 3:58 PM Subject: [fsug-tvm] Rupee font in open format To: ilug-...@googlegroups.com, ilugd il...@lists.linux-delhi.org, iitdlug iitd...@googlegroups.com, nitalug nita...@googlegroups.com, nitdgplug nitdgp...@googlegroups.com, lug-bitsgoa lug-bits...@googlegroups.com, linuxusers_i...@googlegroups.com Hi, Today in The Times of India it was published that a company has made a font for the new Rupee symbol in .ttf format. The link is: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Heres-how-to-download-new-rupee-symbol-for-free/articleshow/6182289.cms Then I read Gaurav Paliwal's article on how to use the same on Linux:http://bit.ly/cnWYQO I searched wikipedia found ttf is a proprietary format. Lets create a font using FreeType2 or other open format. We can use SVG to generate the vector image. There is a web based editor SVGedit: code.google.com/p/svg-edit or search SVGedit on Wikipedia. Regards, Aveek http://aveek.in -- -- ** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Whats happened to ILUGC?
Writing in Tamil loses the attention of many non-Tamil list members, that is the sacrifice the sender is willing to take, to reach better to some other group in the list. Only when it is felt that a particular language (in this case Tamil) will be received by many persons, one will write in that language. What about the curious non-tamilians, for instant i couldent even read you name beside the email post, i had to figure it out from your signature ! -- with love from India, swamy , wattabottles http://meswamy.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..
Hi, Let's look at it this way. If I were born and grown in chennai.But my mother tongue is Bengali.I dont know tamil reading and writing. Me and my friends are willing to discuss Foss related topics in this list in our mother tongue Bengali. A lot of our bengali people are in list and We assure that we can generate much content in bengali.This will be so useful to the mass of bengali people living in chennai. Hope Chennai is not only for tamil people and ILUGC is not only for tamil members. As Tamil people has the previleges to post in tamil,we, the bengali members think that we too have the rightsto discuss in bengali. Please note that we can not translate in englishas it will double the work and will give much pains to fingers and brain.If requested, we can add [Bengali] Tag in the subject. Our Hindi, Telugu and Gujarathi friends also willingto discuss in thier own languages in the list. Infact, lets consider loads of other people who will start posting in every dialect and language available in the country. So, everyone can either install ALL fonts and hmm or create 100's of filters to move them to Trash. Finally, you know guys, which posts will be understood by all. It will be the English posts We hope that there is no need for any request and we can start postingin Bengali. PS : Is there any need that we should obey the list guidelines?Can I start replying in Bengali too? ThanksKrish ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..
Greetings, I propose Every ILUG have a Indic translation cell at the national level who are honoured financially and otherwise for their efforts as per the member's opinions and metrics. I think this thread should end here and start a new communty beneficial open economic model. Let language battles begin to end here in the free, open souce, well an open, community. Period. Regards, I am complled to use my usual signature line: aa no bhadraaH kratavo yantu vishvataH (Let noble thoughts come from the Universe -- veda) [veda is often misunderstood as knowledge in the queen's english sense -- an unfortunate baggage of Indian history which should be corrected ant that requires just a trivial adjustment] Rajagopal PS: What happened to my private supercomputer in private cloud query? I have been admonished for crosspostin, many people have sugeested may things. What are academic and other people doing in India? I was looking at Bostton venom -- personal super computers begining under 3 lacs per piece? There should be a lower price point considering few projects displayed in shastra 2008 VLSI Lab and Voice recognition projectusing cluster. I had volunteered my voice... On 7/18/10, srikrishna das srikrishna_innovati...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Let's look at it this way. If I were born and grown in chennai.But my mother tongue is Bengali.I dont know tamil reading and writing. Me and my friends are willing to discuss Foss related topics in this list in our mother tongue Bengali. A lot of our bengali people are in list and We assure that we can generate much content in bengali.This will be so useful to the mass of bengali people living in chennai. Hope Chennai is not only for tamil people and ILUGC is not only for tamil members. As Tamil people has the previleges to post in tamil,we, the bengali members think that we too have the rightsto discuss in bengali. Please note that we can not translate in englishas it will double the work and will give much pains to fingers and brain.If requested, we can add [Bengali] Tag in the subject. Our Hindi, Telugu and Gujarathi friends also willingto discuss in thier own languages in the list. Infact, lets consider loads of other people who will start posting in every dialect and language available in the country. So, everyone can either install ALL fonts and hmm or create 100's of filters to move them to Trash. Finally, you know guys, which posts will be understood by all. It will be the English posts We hope that there is no need for any request and we can start postingin Bengali. PS : Is there any need that we should obey the list guidelines?Can I start replying in Bengali too? ThanksKrish ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
All, It was interesting to read RMS's take on Mono, DotGNU and the whole Microsoft's patents on .Net CLI runtime. short story Use the C# code implementations in a free platform (Mono, DotGNU) but don't create new code in it. Just like mp3 - consume mp3 in free players, but don't encode. /short story It is no news that RMS has termed Miguel de Icaza - the person behind Mono (who was also behind GNOME) as a traitor to the free software community for being part of the Mono project. I'm a fan of .Net platform. I personally feel Mono runtime is an awesome experiment to bring C# into non-Microsoft platforms. C# as such is a wonderful language and would love to see a complete .Net 4.0 runtime implemented in Mono (currently Mono is fully compatible with .Net 2.0 and some specifications of .Net 3.0). The interesting side effect with mono runtime is that with little effort it was possible to bring *other* .Net languages to Linux such as F# and Visual Basic. With Miguel in the forefront Mono runtime is bound for some big things. With Moonlight (Silverlight in Mono) and Monotouch (.Net platform for iPhone and iOS 4!) the Mono suite gets really exciting. I would like to hear from ILUG-C about their take on Mono runtime and whether what Miguel did is useful or not. Please discuss.. P.S: Lets talk in technology! Thanks, Balaji ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
On 07/19/2010 12:00 AM, openbala wrote: I'm a fan of .Net platform. I personally feel Mono runtime is an awesome experiment to bring C# into non-Microsoft platforms. C# as such is a wonderful language and would love to see a complete .Net 4.0 runtime implemented in Mono (currently Mono is fully compatible with .Net 2.0 and some specifications of .Net 3.0). The interesting side effect with mono runtime is that with little effort it was possible to bring *other* .Net languages to Linux such as F# and Visual Basic. With Miguel in the forefront Mono runtime is bound for some big things. With Moonlight (Silverlight in Mono) and Monotouch (.Net platform for iPhone and iOS 4!) the Mono suite gets really exciting. I would like to hear from ILUG-C about their take on Mono runtime and whether what Miguel did is useful or not. Please discuss.. P.S: Lets talk in technology! Patents are not a purely technology issue. While C# might indeed be a good language, if the technology stack is patent encumbered, adoption of it will be hindered. Another important issue is whether people/companies funding Mono are running a profitable business to ensure sustainability of the platform. Unclear whether that is the case as of now. Rahul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:00 AM, openbala damodaran.bal...@gmail.comwrote: All, It was interesting to read RMS's take on Mono, DotGNU and the whole Microsoft's patents on .Net CLI runtime. short story Use the C# code implementations in a free platform (Mono, DotGNU) but don't create new code in it. Just like mp3 - consume mp3 in free players, but don't encode. /short story It is no news that RMS has termed Miguel de Icaza - the person behind Mono (who was also behind GNOME) as a traitor to the free software community for being part of the Mono project. I'm a fan of .Net platform. P.S: Lets talk in technology! We have adobe flash which can perform better then html5 in some cases. But we advocate for html5 which open. Same thing apply with Mono/C# Probably Mono is a danger by RMS will tell you some reason. I am very far from Microsoft iceland so I cannot talk on their technology much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_%28programming_language%29 Page say the license is CLR propitiatory This is not opensource. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Language_Runtime I would recommend to read this - http://techrights.org/2008/03/24/mono-danger-to-linux/ -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya │http://narendrasisodiya.com └─┘ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Malayalam and Hindi in ilugc list
All, On behalf of Malayalam and Hindi speaking ilugc members, let me announce that we are going to start discussions in Malayalam and Hindi in ilugc list. There wont be any translations. But interested members can volunteer for that. I am just collecting people to generate content in these languages. Regards, Jeeva -- Jeeva The hard is what makes you great ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Malayalam and Hindi in ilugc list
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Jeevaguru M jeevag...@gmail.com wrote: All, On behalf of Malayalam and Hindi speaking ilugc members, let me announce that we are going to start discussions in Malayalam and Hindi in ilugc list. There wont be any translations. But interested members can volunteer for that. I am just collecting people to generate content in these languages. Regards, Jeeva il be really happy is smileys, internet language and short forms are allowed ! -- with love from India, swamy , wattabottles http://meswamy.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/19/2010 12:00 AM, openbala wrote: I'm a fan of .Net platform. I personally feel Mono runtime is an awesome experiment to bring C# into non-Microsoft platforms. C# as such is a wonderful language and would love to see a complete .Net 4.0 runtime implemented in Mono (currently Mono is fully compatible with .Net 2.0 and some specifications of .Net 3.0). The interesting side Patents are not a purely technology issue. While C# might indeed be a good language, if the technology stack is patent encumbered, adoption of it will be hindered. Another important issue is whether people/companies funding Mono are running a profitable business to ensure sustainability of the platform. Unclear whether that is the case as of now. Rahul One news worthy event that happened on July 17th is that, the licenses of DLR (dynamic language runtime), IronRuby and IronPython has changed from MS-PL to Apache-2[1] Microsoft has further released parts of the .Net framework code in open source (some in MS-PL and some in Apache 2) - this includes Sliverlight controls, Microsoft's AJAX and ASP MVC.[2] - These will be available in Mono 2.8 Microsoft so far hasn't pounced on Mono like they did with SalesForce. Infact, Miguel got the Microsoft MVP award in 2010. About the profitability and adaptability of Mono, this might be a totally different thing, looks time Mono is at least claiming that it is being well adopted [3]. I guess Ubuntu still ships with Tomboy Notes installed (not sure) which means that they aren't gravely concerned. Not sure about Fedora, as I used only Fedora KDE. [1] - http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Jul-17-1.html [2] - http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Jul-07.html [3] - http://www.mono-project.com/Companies_Using_Mono ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:46 AM, openbala damodaran.bal...@gmail.comwrote: Microsoft has further released parts of the .Net framework code in open source I will join this discussion then there will be full opensource. till then bye from this thread. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
On 07/19/2010 12:46 AM, openbala wrote: One news worthy event that happened on July 17th is that, the licenses of DLR (dynamic language runtime), IronRuby and IronPython has changed from MS-PL to Apache-2[1] Yes, this is indeed a good move but one must understand the core technologies it relies on are still not under a open source license. If Microsoft chooses to release it under a license like Apache which includes explicit patent grants, then it would resolve the patent debate. Microsoft so far hasn't pounced on Mono like they did with SalesForce. Infact, Miguel got the Microsoft MVP award in 2010. See the history of the MP3 or GIF format to understand why this is not a assurance at all. About the profitability and adaptability of Mono, this might be a totally different thing, looks time Mono is at least claiming that it is being well adopted [3]. I guess Ubuntu still ships with Tomboy Notes installed (not sure) which means that they aren't gravely concerned. Not sure about Fedora, as I used only Fedora KDE. Being well adopted and profitable are two different things. Fedora does not include any mono apps by default. What is included is Gnote, Shotwell etc. Ubuntu is replacing F-Spot by Shotwell in their next release. I would also note that Beagle has become unmaintained and the latest release of openSUSE replaces it by Tracker.The amount of adoption seems to be getting lower in fact. Rahul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லை ன் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
18 ஜூலை, 2010 1:33 pm அன்று, Ramar K krama...@gmail.com எழுதியது: On 7/18/10, சிவகுமார் மா masivaku...@gmail.com wrote: நன்றி ஆமாச்சு. தொடர்ந்து என்னால் முடிந்த வரை எழுதுகிறேன். நீ வாழ பிறரை கெடுக்காதே! தாங்கள் என்ன சொல்ல வருகிறீர்கள் என்று புரியவில்லை. கொஞ்சம் விளக்கமாக கூற முடியுமா? நன்றி, ஸ்ரீ பிரதீப். ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
2010/7/19 openbala damodaran.bal...@gmail.com short story Use the C# code implementations in a free platform (Mono, DotGNU) but don't create new code in it. Just like mp3 - consume mp3 in free players, but don't encode. /short story Makes a lot of sense, no? I'm a fan of .Net platform. I personally feel Mono runtime is an awesome experiment to bring C# into non-Microsoft platforms. C# as such is a wonderful language and would love to see a complete .Net 4.0 runtime implemented in Mono (currently Mono is fully compatible with .Net 2.0 and some specifications of .Net 3.0). The interesting side effect with mono runtime is that with little effort it was possible to bring *other* .Net languages to Linux such as F# and Visual Basic. With Miguel in the forefront Mono runtime is bound for some big things. They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ( http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin ). Sometime back Microsoft's open source efforts were highlighted. http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/faq-all.aspx 10 years back Open Source was a virus to be shunned by all. What changed now? Success of the movement and Microsoft's failure to kill it. Now, they want to selectively do some open source activities to retain their monopoly in Desktop operating system business. .Net and C# can be wonderful. Why, VB was wonderful to develop desktop applications in Windows, IE is wonderful browser to make web applications if you are willing to disregard standards. Consider that Microsoft could not play nice where they have the dominance. They want to adjust a little to strengthen themselves where they are weak. With Moonlight (Silverlight in Mono) and Monotouch (.Net platform for iPhone and iOS 4!) the Mono suite gets really exciting. I would like to hear from ILUG-C about their take on Mono runtime and whether what Miguel did is useful or not. Please discuss.. As you summarised, Mono's purpose is to run .Net applications developed elsewhere. Spending time developing new applications in .Net by open source community is taking away mind share from alternatives with open standards and Free licences. Ma Sivakumar எல்லோரும் எல்லாமும் பெற வேண்டும் http://masivakumar.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..
2010/7/18 srikrishna das srikrishna_innovati...@yahoo.com If I were born and grown in chennai.But my mother tongue is Bengali.I dont know tamil reading and writing. Me and my friends are willing to discuss Foss related topics in this list in our mother tongue Bengali. A lot of our bengali people are in list and We assure that we can generate much content in bengali.This will be so useful to the mass of bengali people living in chennai. Not only bengali people living in Chennai, all Bengali people in other parts of world will also benefit. When a Bengali student wants to learn something technical he can reach your contents (through google search) and benefit. Hope Chennai is not only for tamil people and ILUGC is not only for tamil members. As Tamil people has the previleges to post in tamil,we, the bengali members think that we too have the rightsto discuss in bengali. Chennai is not only for Tamil people and ILUGC is for all. Your thinking is not wrong. Please note that we can not translate in englishas it will double the work and will give much pains to fingers and brain.If requested, we can add [Bengali] Tag in the subject. Our Hindi, Telugu and Gujarathi friends also willingto discuss in thier own languages in the list. That will make ILUGC a truly rainbow list representing the whole of India. If we can pull off this successfully, that will be a remarkable achievement. I am able to view 1. English 2. हिन्दी 3. বাংলা 4. తెలుగు 5. मराठी 6. ગુજરાતી 7. ಕನ್ನಡ 8. മലയാളം 9. ਪੰਜਾਬੀ in my computer and will not choose filter out any of the mails based on language. Infact, lets consider loads of other people who will start posting in every dialect and language available in the country. So, everyone can either install ALL fonts and hmm or create 100's of filters to move them to Trash. Why 100's of filters? How many languages you think will be used in the list? Tamil, Hindi, Malayalam, Bengali, Telugu, Kannada - 6 languages at the most? A few more? Why you exaggerate to 100's? Finally, you know guys, which posts will be understood by all. It will be the English posts Who knows, we can develop a language engine to translate content from one Indian language to another. (As Rajagopal suggests in his next mail) We hope that there is no need for any request and we can start postingin Bengali. I sincerely hope that you are arguing for the right to post in Bengali not to deny the right to post in Tamil. Best regards, Ma Sivakumar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Whats happened to ILUGC?
2010/7/18 swamynathan mesw...@gmail.com: What about the curious non-tamilians, for instant i couldent even read you name beside the email post, i had to figure it out from your signature ! 1. Sorry about that. I use this google account of mine for interacting with Tamil speakers most of the time, hence the profile name is in Tamil. I will find out how to change the sending name in Gmail (for some mails). 2. I changed my signature to have name in English sometime back. expressly for this purpose. Ma Sivakumar எல்லோரும் எல்லாமும் பெற வேண்டும் http://masivakumar.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
On Monday 19 July 2010 12:00 AM, openbala wrote: It is no news that RMS has termed Miguel de Icaza - the person behind Mono (who was also behind GNOME) as a traitor to the free software community for being part of the Mono project. I have no interest in political part of this issue, for the reasons outlined below. But, I would admit that at several instances Miguel's statements disappointed me. I won't use such strong language to describe him for sure, but having seen him and Nat (Friedman) present a brilliant presentation on Mono all the way back in 2003 Foss.in (in its earlier avatar, of course). I was quite disappointed the way it all turned out. I'm a fan of .Net platform. I personally feel Mono runtime is an awesome experiment to bring C# into non-Microsoft platforms. C# as such is a wonderful language and would love to see a complete .Net 4.0 runtime implemented in Mono (currently Mono is fully compatible with .Net 2.0 and some specifications of .Net 3.0). The interesting side effect with mono runtime is that with little effort it was possible to bring *other* .Net languages to Linux such as F# and Visual Basic. With Miguel in the forefront Mono runtime is bound for some big things. I'd have to disagree, really. As far as I can remember, the real reason why Miguel and Nat started working on Mono (as stated in their presentation) was that they were worried that there wasn't truly useful RAD-style development environment for Linux (both for desktop and webapps) at that point of time. Meanwhile, MS was supposedly going to take over the world with its new-fangled .Net thingy. The idea was to implement .Net CLR in Linux, and create a whole toolset around it (which led to MonoDevelop, I believe). In other words, the whole of Mono project came about because people feared MS was going to take over the technology world (I suppose it seemed real enough in early part of the century). But the patent issues would always stalk it, and not everybody bought into the Mono vision that we have to re-implement MS standards, with a good amount of skepticism that we're ultimately serving MS' agenda after all. With Moonlight (Silverlight in Mono) and Monotouch (.Net platform for iPhone and iOS 4!) the Mono suite gets really exciting. As somebody already pointed out before, why do we have to bother with extending a single company's strangle-hold over any part of technology stack? Be it MS or Adobe, open technologies now have enough weight and momentum to drive their own standards (Flash vs HTML5/Canvas). With a lot of enlightened companies like Google (ok, in their own self-interest of course) truly embracing the open technology platforms, why bother with backward-looking, proprietary software sanctioned by a single company? Coming to Monotouch, is it even legal to make apps with it, given the dreaded Section 3.3.1 of Apple Developer License agreement? Which kind of rounds out my argument in favor of not supporting/re-implementing proprietary platforms - companies like Apple can turn around and screw you in the end, no matter their love of all things open. P.S: Lets talk in technology! Sorry I didn't talk purely technology - by asking to comment on Miguel's actions/motivations, you also made it a subjective/political issue - but these issues indeed go beyond the technical merits/non-merits of the platforms or intentions or actions of a single person - however influential they are. We believe in open source for a reason, and trusting technology companies not to look out for their own interests in the end, over and above whatever their professed love for developers and their interests in these days (after so many scary stories) is being extremely naive. Vamsee. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [OT][TAMIL] உனக்கு ஆங் கிலம் தெரியும்ன ு..
வணக்கம் உனக்கு ஆங்கிலம் தெரியும்னு எனக்கு தெரியும் அதனால நீ அதுல தான் பேசணும் எழுதணும்னும் மொழிபெயர்க்கணும்னும் யாரும் யாருக்கும் கட்டுப்பாடு விதிக்க விதிக்க முடியாதுங்கறது என்னோட கருத்து. no one can compel someone saying that I know that you know English, hence you must provide translation or write in English. -- ஆமாச்சு ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
On 07/19/2010 07:09 AM, Vamsee Kanakala wrote: On Monday 19 July 2010 12:00 AM, openbala wrote: It is no news that RMS has termed Miguel de Icaza - the person behind Mono (who was also behind GNOME) as a traitor to the free software community for being part of the Mono project. I have no interest in political part of this issue, for the reasons outlined below. Actually, the rest of your mail seems to acknowledge and endorse that FOSS has a inherent political position. Rahul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
On Monday 19 July 2010 07:20 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Actually, the rest of your mail seems to acknowledge and endorse that FOSS has a inherent political position. Oops, you're right - guess I meant to say I can't make a statement about what exactly Miguel's motivations are, as we can only speculate about them - but I am willing to consider it folly rather than malice, as he and Nat seemed to be genuinely excited about what they're building. Perhaps they didn't have enough faith that the open source movement is capable of innovating and driving standards against something as powerful as Microsoft. That's probably the only explanation I can give for it. Again, it's just speculation. As for the rest of the mail, I've always considered FOSS more of a personal opinion/values issue rather than overtly political, but when we're advocating it, I guess it becomes political indeed :) Vamsee. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Vamsee Kanakala vkanak...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 19 July 2010 12:00 AM, openbala wrote: I'd have to disagree, really. As far as I can remember, the real reason why Miguel and Nat started working on Mono (as stated in their presentation) was that they were worried that there wasn't truly useful RAD-style development environment for Linux (both for desktop and webapps) at that point of time. Meanwhile, MS was supposedly going to take over the world with its new-fangled .Net thingy. The idea was to implement .Net CLR in Linux, and create a whole toolset around it (which led to MonoDevelop, I believe). Isn't that how most of the opensource projects begin? (I might be on a limbo here, but I agree that there are first class ideas in oss projects also) In other words, the whole of Mono project came about because people feared MS was going to take over the technology world (I suppose it seemed real enough in early part of the century). But the patent issues would always stalk it, and not everybody bought into the Mono vision that we have to re-implement MS standards, with a good amount of skepticism that we're ultimately serving MS' agenda after all. With Moonlight (Silverlight in Mono) and Monotouch (.Net platform for iPhone and iOS 4!) the Mono suite gets really exciting. As somebody already pointed out before, why do we have to bother with extending a single company's strangle-hold over any part of technology stack? Be it MS or Adobe, open technologies now have enough weight and momentum to drive their own standards (Flash vs HTML5/Canvas). With a lot of enlightened companies like Google (ok, in their own self-interest of course) truly embracing the open technology platforms, why bother with backward-looking, proprietary software sanctioned by a single company? Coming to Monotouch, is it even legal to make apps with it, given the dreaded Section 3.3.1 of Apple Developer License agreement? Which kind of rounds out my argument in favor of not supporting/re-implementing proprietary platforms - companies like Apple can turn around and screw you in the end, no matter their love of all things open. I'm not an authority on deciding which technology to use in business. Probably, if I have my own company I may not choose the .Net stack. My views were only from a developer's perspective of some of the features given by a language. Like a kid standing in front of a candy shop. Why should being a opensource developer stop one from learning the stack, after all we are developers in first place. With people like Eric Meijer and Don Syme in the team - .Net stack has got some remarkable features such as LINQ, lambda expressions, covariants contravariants, type inference which the Java world is still dreaming out. Porting F# as a first class language on .net platform is also a boost to the functional programming community. My thoughts were only to bring these features to Linux. Apple is using 3.3.1 selectively. There are still a lot of cross-compiled code in app store that was built using mono and other similar tools. But I agree with you on this that we can't develop applications on monotouch and just pray that Apple will somehow make it available in app store. P.S: Lets talk in technology! Sorry I didn't talk purely technology - by asking to comment on Miguel's actions/motivations, you also made it a subjective/political issue - but these issues indeed go beyond the technical merits/non-merits of the platforms or intentions or actions of a single person - however influential they are. We believe in open source for a reason, and trusting technology companies not to look out for their own interests in the end, over and above whatever their professed love for developers and their interests in these days (after so many scary stories) is being extremely naive. yeah, my bad. Just wanted to say that 'in this thread, we don't talk language, we talk technology' - but it wasn't technology and wasn't articulate enough. Vamsee. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Posting in Indian Languages.
Value of the Indian currency note is written in 15 languages. Have a peep at Rs 100, Rs 500. May be we can allow all these language posting with appropriate tags in the subject line.,provided the minimum subscribers who want the language be used in this list is 100 . Dhakshina Moorthy, K.M. http://jobsin15days.wordpress.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
On Monday 19 July 2010 08:17 AM, openbala wrote: Isn't that how most of the opensource projects begin? (I might be on a limbo here, but I agree that there are first class ideas in oss projects also) It might have been the case before, but increasingly, at least in the area that I'm involved in (web development) the rate of innovation in the open source projects (especially web servers/frameworks) is really out-stripping the proprietary variants. I'm optimistic enough to hope that it will spread to other parts of the technology ecosystem. What I'm trying to say is, if somebody starts tries to start something like Mono now, they will be rightly looked at as behind the times. There's simply no need for that kind of paranoia now. Innovation and FOSS go together very well, and it's been proven plenty of times now. I'm not an authority on deciding which technology to use in business. Probably, if I have my own company I may not choose the .Net stack. My views were only from a developer's perspective of some of the features given by a language. Like a kid standing in front of a candy shop. Why should being a opensource developer stop one from learning the stack, after all we are developers in first place. Of course you're free to choose what you want to learn. But if you want it to grow into something of a career, even as a developer you have to be careful what you choose. I'm just pointing out that .Net might have a lot of goodies you are excited about, but perhaps your time is better spent looking at alternatives in the FOSS world where the pace of innovation is far more rapid, and longevity of your skillsets depends solely on the language's merits and adoption, not on a company's ability to control markets, which might or might not be sustainable in the long run. With people like Eric Meijer and Don Syme in the team - .Net stack has got some remarkable features such as LINQ, lambda expressions, covariants contravariants, type inference which the Java world is still dreaming out. Porting F# as a first class language on .net platform is also a boost to the functional programming community. My thoughts were only to bring these features to Linux. Sounds like fun - but are you absolutely sure that there are no FOSS alternatives available that lets you play with those language features? There are plenty of functional languages that are implementing cutting edge PL research (I'm a bit of a PL geek myself, and I still remember the long rants and vain attempts of Jon Harrop trying to convince comp.lang.lisp audience how F# is better than Common Lisp, but I doubt if he won any real converts, except ending up alienating the whole of c.l.l being termed a troll :). I do remember hearing that Qi has some of those features, but you have to do your own research in that aspect. All I'm trying to point out is, your time is probably more worthwhile and might avoid nasty surprises down the road if you stay clear of languages promoted by companies with a history as that of Microsoft. Apple is using 3.3.1 selectively. There are still a lot of cross-compiled code in app store that was built using mono and other similar tools. But I agree with you on this that we can't develop applications on monotouch and just pray that Apple will somehow make it available in app store. The whole point of 3.3.1 is to be able to use it selectively, I think :). Granted that I lost most of my respect for Apple for quite some time, but you only have to read some of the horror stories of indie developers who have invested so much time and money into writing an iPhone app, only to be yanked out of App Store because it's either conflicts with Apple's world-view or more narrowly, their revenue stream. Do you really want to be part of that kind of paranoid environment where so much rides on whether or not Apple (or some other 3rd party) thinks highly of your app? Finally, as a developer, that's a call you have to make. I'm guessing for most of us in this forum, taking permission from the likes of Apple for doing what we love to do is simply not an option :) Vamsee. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Some more languages in ilugc
After reading the archives of our list, my friends are requesting for the following languages. Arabic, Urdu, Russian, Japanese, Finnish, Korean, French, Spanish, German These guys are in chennai and bangaluru. Hope our coordinator allow these languages too. -- Regards, Victor ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Malayalam and Hindi in ilugc list
hi, On behalf of Malayalam and Hindi speaking ilugc members, let me announce that we are going to start discussions in Malayalam and Hindi in ilugc list. There wont be any translations. But interested members can volunteer for that. Why??? regards, Ignacius ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Some more languages in ilugc
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Victor Johnson victor.li...@gmail.comwrote: After reading the archives of our list, my friends are requesting for the following languages. Arabic, Urdu, Russian, Japanese, Finnish, Korean, French, Spanish, German These guys are in chennai and bangaluru. Hope our coordinator allow these languages too. Hi Victor, Why are you asking coordinator. He already said you can post any language with [Tag]. Kg or somebody in ilugc may learn all those language and translate it English. Ramar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..
--- On Mon, 7/19/10, சிவகுமார் மா masivaku...@gmail.com wrote: Not only bengali people living in Chennai, all Bengali people in other parts of world will also benefit. When a Bengali student wants to learn something technical he can reach your contents (through google search) and benefit. True. So then, no one other than people who know bengali are going to benefit from them. Same goes for any mono languaged post. Chennai is not only for Tamil people and ILUGC is for all. Your thinking is not wrong. Well then, why exclude us from understanding good discussions that may happen by writing in language only that is not understood by us.And not caring to provide an English translation. That will make ILUGC a truly rainbow list representing the whole of India. If we can pull off this successfully, that will be a remarkable achievement. Oh yeah, but I can't tell the difference between few language fonts. So are many other people. It will be a rainbow but people will look at selected colors only. I am able to view 1. English 2. हिन्दी 3. বাংলা 4. తెలుగు 5. मराठी 6. ગુજરાતી 7. ಕನ್ನಡ 8. മലയാളം 9. ਪੰਜਾਬੀ in my computer and will not choose filter out any of the mails based on language. Nice. But I am not installing more fonts on my machine. Btw, I cant read 6, 7, 8, 9... So I do not know which language is which. Why 100's of filters? How many languages you think will be used in the list? Tamil, Hindi, Malayalam, Bengali, Telugu, Kannada - 6 languages at the most? A few more? Why you exaggerate to 100's? Why are you considering only 6 languages. You yourself listed 9. Why other language people do not have rights? Or is there a restriction? 100 was an understatement. ... Here's a quote from article The Indian census of 1961 recognised 1,652 different languages in India Who knows, we can develop a language engine to translate content from one Indian language to another. (As Rajagopal suggests in his next mail) Would love to see that happening; I mean in for real. I sincerely hope that you are arguing for the right to post in Bengali not to deny the right to post in Tamil. Not really.1. Not arguing 2. Its a voice to tell you guys that when you post in only Tamil lot of people feel excluded from the dicussion even though we want to learn of interesting things that may have been discussed in the post.. 3. I am not denying right to post in Tamil, but supporting the nice behavior of courtesy to provide a short english summary in the same post, so that we don't feel excluded and it benefits all. 4. If everyone goes makes small small groups inside ilugc for discussing only in their language, then it beats the whole purpose of ILUG - Indian Linux User Group - Chennai.Please do not make it Chennai Linux User Group - India 5. The more and more single language only threads are discussed, the less the percentage of content from ilugc that will be understood globally is available.This list has been one of the best I have subscribed to, but then if you guys want to make sub groups and do closed discussions; hate to break it to you, but you are not being a nice. ThanksKrish ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.comwrote: We always welcome mails in tamil. But with a translation. Everyone in the list have same rights. It is non-ethical to discuss something where some people see only boxes, question marks, non readable characters. It means they are prohibited to read the mails in the list. Why no body seems to understand the fact that we are not sending General ILUGC emails in Tamil, but we are sending only the emails related to Tamil-Courses / Translations in Tamil. A translated course-work in Tamil is obviously of less interest to a Non-Tamil reader. So, they can happily filter it out using a [Tamil] filter. No one has the authority to prevent the readers from getting the information. This basic right of getting information should be maintained for all the list members. No one is preventing rights of readers to know what they need to know. If a Hind-related stuff is discussed in Hindi on this list, i would happily filter it out. I don't feel anything bad in doing so. Please give a solution to maintain the basic rights of all people. There is no real problem in first-place. What kind of solution you need then? -- Thanks, Vanniarajan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Vignesh Nandha kumar viky.nan...@gmail.com wrote: Requesting to add Tamil tag is fine. But commanding to give the English translation is suppressive biased. The guidelines need to be revised if it's true that this mailing list gives equal freedom for all. I completely agree to this. Discussing about a tamil-related work in Tamil (which is already translated from English) is possible. Again this needs to be translated to English in Email - is unacceptable. -- Thanks, Vanniarajan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Some more languages in ilugc
2010/7/19 Victor Johnson victor.li...@gmail.com: After reading the archives of our list, my friends are requesting for the following languages. Arabic, Urdu, Russian, Japanese, Finnish, Korean, French, Spanish, German These guys are in chennai and bangaluru. Hope our coordinator allow these languages too. Dear Sir, Please avoid sarcastic comments. We are talking about ilugc which stands for Indian Linux User Group - Chennai 1. Chennai in the name leads to posts in Tamil. 2. Indian in the name leads to request to post in other Indian languages (including Urdu) Do not deny legitimate rights of people by resorting to extreme arguments. Best regards, Ma Sivakumar எல்லோரும் எல்லாமும் பெற வேண்டும் http://masivakumar.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..
2010/7/19 srikrishna das srikrishna_innovati...@yahoo.com: Not really.1. Not arguing 2. Its a voice to tell you guys that when you post in only Tamil lot of people feel excluded from the dicussion even though we want to learn of interesting things that may have been discussed in the post.. 3. I am not denying right to post in Tamil, but supporting the nice behavior of courtesy to provide a short english summary in the same post, so that we don't feel excluded and it benefits all. 4. If everyone goes makes small small groups inside ilugc for discussing only in their language, then it beats the whole purpose of ILUG - Indian Linux User Group - Chennai.Please do not make it Chennai Linux User Group - India 5. The more and more single language only threads are discussed, the less the percentage of content from ilugc that will be understood globally is available.This list has been one of the best I have subscribed to, but then if you guys want to make sub groups and do closed discussions; hate to break it to you, but you are not being a nice. Thanks for putting your feeling very clearly. I understand your concern about fragmentation of group and discussions getting confined to a small group. Ma Sivakumar எல்லோரும் எல்லாமும் பெற வேண்டும் http://masivakumar.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT][TAMIL] உனக்கு ஆங் கிலம் தெரியும்னு..
2010/7/19 ஆமாச்சு ramada...@amachu.net வணக்கம் உனக்கு ஆங்கிலம் தெரியும்னு எனக்கு தெரியும் அதனால நீ அதுல தான் பேசணும் எழுதணும்னும் மொழிபெயர்க்கணும்னும் யாரும் யாருக்கும் கட்டுப்பாடு விதிக்க விதிக்க முடியாதுங்கறது என்னோட கருத்து. no one can compel someone saying that I know that you know English, hence you must provide translation or write in English. No body is compel you to do so. You only compelling all the ilugc people to read your Tamil mail. What we are saying is, this not right place for your Tamil business. Start a new group(Linux Tamil User Group) do your good Tamil activities. Otherwise ILUGC will die. Ramar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:10 PM,ஆமாச்சு wrote: On Sunday 18 Jul 2010 6:41:54 pm ஆமாச்சு wrote: this list has been set a guideline that is suppessive biased. Sorry, thats my own remark. Sivakumar Akilan have similar opinion. No, I also think the same way. Some of the members (including coordinator) have misunderstood communication part. Their view is Not all people can benefit if they don't understand. Let me counter it in two points: 1. If People aren't allowed to post in Tamil(or malayalam/hindhi) don't think they will post in English. They may not post at all. Many people are only reading in this list because they can understand English whereas it is difficult for them to write a decent English note and they don't want to be seen writing like that in a public list. Imagine what would happen if Thirukural wasn't published because they wouldn't let Thiruvalluvar publish in Tamil? Then No one would have got that information. 2. As somebody told already, you cannot expect Thiruvalluvar/kamban to provide a translation just because you don't know Tamil. Agreed that you have to go to shop to see those books but you are getting mails automatically in your inbox. Only because of this we agreed for a tag. Expecting translation is suppessive biased IMO. -- *அகிலன்* (Akilan R) (http://www.coding-aviator.blogspot.com) *I should have no use for a paradise in which I should be deprived of the right to prefer hell.* --Jean Rostand ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Posting in Indian Languages.
On Monday 19 July 2010 08:35:56 Dhakshina Moorthy K.M. - தக்ஷிணா மூர்த்தி, க. மோ. wrote: Value of the Indian currency note is written in 15 languages. 13 scripts - not languages. There are 22 official languages, and 35 major languages -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Malayalam and Hindi in ilugc list
On Monday 19 July 2010 07:31:45 ஆமாச்சு wrote: // On behalf of Malayalam and Hindi speaking ilugc members, let me announce that we are going to start discussions in Malayalam and Hindi in ilugc list. There wont be any translations. But interested members can volunteer for that.// please follow a standard quoting style -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
On Monday 19 July 2010 07:09:41 Vamsee Kanakala wrote: presentation on Mono all the way back in 2003 Foss.in that was not foss.in - that was linux-bangalore 2003 which is nothing to do with foss.in -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
On Monday 19 July 2010 10:52 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: that was not foss.in - that was linux-bangalore 2003 which is nothing to do with foss.in Understood - which is why I added in its earlier avatar. I do realize there was some controversy about it, about which I really don't know much apart from the fact that the same set of people renamed it into foss.in later on. At least that's what I thought. Vamsee. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
On Sunday 18 July 2010 17:45:17 சிவகுமார் மா wrote: Non-tamil people should set a filter (one time activity) to send all mails with [Tamil] tag to trash. They have enough content without bothering about a few Tamil mails in the list. anyway from today I am filtering out mails with [TAMIL] or [Tamil] tag - I am very sad to do this as I feel it is an insult to an Indian language to have to filter on it, but I do not think that the motives of the people posting in tamil are correct. For example if you look at fsm.co.in - which is a business website run by the 'Tamil heroes' on this list, you will understand how much love they have for Tamil. I will continue to post in Tamil lists. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)
On Monday 19 July 2010 11:03:13 Vamsee Kanakala wrote: On Monday 19 July 2010 10:52 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: that was not foss.in - that was linux-bangalore 2003 which is nothing to do with foss.in Understood - which is why I added in its earlier avatar. I do realize there was some controversy about it, about which I really don't know much apart from the fact that the same set of people renamed it into foss.in later on. At least that's what I thought. not the same set of people. The set of people who ran the lb conferences were all chucked out and *one* person took over and ran foss.in. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்
For example if you look at fsm.co.in - which is a business website run by the 'Tamil heroes' on this list. I am also a part of the team, fsm.co.in will be a bilingual portal very soon. And you might have noticed that kattatra menporul book also sold there. There are other entites in which even we have designed the logo to be in tamil. This list will know about those in future. Thanks for your critics that only motivates us to do that translation part at the earliest. The work is in progress. -- Naga T ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
