Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[JAGANADH G]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> Friends.
>
> On Jun 18, 2011 TamilNadu Govt announced a Tender for
> "9 lakh" free laptops for the students.
>
> Here is the Tender Notice :
>
> http://www.tenders.tn.gov.in/pubnowtend/uploaded/TD_elc58921_tn_laptop_scheme.pdf
>
>
> http://epaper.dinamalar.com/PUBLICATIONS/DM/MADHURAI/2011/06/18/Article/009/18_06_2011_009_006.jpg
>
> Page 57 in the pdf says that
>
> Operating System : Preloaded Dual booting - Windows starter edition
> with Anti Virus for
> 1 year license and Linux.
>
>
> These laptop should be loaded with only free open source software and
> proprietary software should not be used.
>
> How can we suggest the TN Govt to avoid the proprietary software ?
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>



Hi All

I think it is time to act. Wee can prepare a letter to CM , IT Minister and
Director ELCOT Tamilnadu pointing the facts discussed here.
We have to make it happen with in this week time so that the authorities
will get enough time to revise the notifications.



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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[Hameed]

> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Shrinivasan T wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Operating System : Preloaded Dual booting - Windows starter edition
> > > with Anti Virus for
> > > 1 year license and Linux.
> >
> > If the windows costs min 1000 INR,
> > 9,00,000 * 1,000 = 90,00,00,000
> >
> > 90 Cr rupees will be given to Microsoft.
> >
> > If we use Gnu/Linux, we can save the 90Cr.

> On 20 June 2011 12:19, Arvind S Raj  wrote:
> Not to mention the cost of the anti-virus. It definitely wouldn't be free
> either


We need to schedule a meeting asap with

the Chairman of Elcot's IT Department - Dr.Santhosh Babu, IAS (Phone:
+91-44-65512332)

OR with

Managing Director of Elcot Mr. Atul Anand, IAS (Phone:
+91-44-42152200, +91-44-65512330)


to explain the Government's cost savings with FOSS and how ILUGC could
help them.



Regards

Hameed



On 20 June 2011 12:19, Arvind S Raj  wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Shrinivasan T wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Operating System : Preloaded Dual booting - Windows starter edition
> > > with Anti Virus for
> > > 1 year license and Linux.
> >
> > If the windows costs min 1000 INR,
> > 9,00,000 * 1,000 = 90,00,00,000
> >
> > 90 Cr rupees will be given to Microsoft.
> >
> > If we use Gnu/Linux, we can save the 90Cr.
>
>
> Not to mention the cost of the anti-virus. It definitely wouldn't be free
> either
>
> For school students, school OS would ideal I guess-it's based on Ubuntu and
> comes with a lot of softwares pre-installed.
>
> Convincing to use GNU/Linux:
> 1. Perhaps it could be pointed out that experience with open source would
> greatly enhance the skill of students, specially college students, and
> enhance chances of getting a job?
> 2. Tamil software and educational content all exist in the open source
> domain No need for additional software(these might be proprietary too).
> 3. Anti-virus license would have to be renewed after a year-no student would
> do that; instead they would use pirated versions mostly.
> 4. And of course, the obvious truth-more than 100 Cr would be spent for
> sure-a colossal waste IMO.
>
> This needs some attention-the due date is 8th July as said in page 14. Not
> very far away.
>
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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[Raman.P]

My thoughts on this subject

a.ELCOT is already aware of FOSS benefits. 
b.Role of voluntary organisation like us is very limited
c.Since this is going to be a business decision which involves not only 
software but such other things like service support etc. only commercial 
entities can do something at this stage. Companies like RedHat, Canonical are 
the ones coming to my mind.



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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[Nataraj S Narayan]

Hi

May a mass mailing to  to go for fully Linux laptops?

I used to get few things done (like repair of roads) by sending
complaints to this Chief Minister's ID. Of course, those were the
times of Ms Jayalalitha's previous tenure, things were prompt.

Maybe we could give a try in the capacity of  common citizens ?

regards

Nataraj S Narayan

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Raman.P  wrote:
> My thoughts on this subject
>
> a.ELCOT is already aware of FOSS benefits.
> b.Role of voluntary organisation like us is very limited
> c.Since this is going to be a business decision which involves not only 
> software but such other things like service support etc. only commercial 
> entities can do something at this stage. Companies like RedHat, Canonical are 
> the ones coming to my mind.
>
>
>
> Raman.P
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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[JAGANADH G]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Raman.P  wrote:

> My thoughts on this subject
>
> a.ELCOT is already aware of FOSS benefits.
> b.Role of voluntary organisation like us is very limited
>



But still we can raise our concern in this subject. Ans we can give a
detailed letter stating the facts and profits that govt will earn through
adopting FOSS.


> c.Since this is going to be a business decision which involves not only
> software but such other things like service support etc. only commercial
> entities can do something at this stage. Companies like RedHat, Canonical
> are the ones coming to my mind.
>
>

Still I think here also the community can do a lot. We can train the
teachers on FOSS tools installation, trouble shooting etc.. Even local LUGS
can act as support agencies in the case FOSS related tools(Even they can opt
for paid support).


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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[Manikandan B]

Hi guys,

  Such a stupid waste of money to install the laptops with
propreitary software. Since July 8 is the deadline, the first thing is to
schedule the meeting with the officials as proposed by Shrinivasan. Those
who are in India can do this..

I live abroad.  What i did is I created a page on facebook very quickly..
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Say-NO-to-Windows-and-proprietary-software-to-the-TamilNadu-Government/192009807515360

Now
if more users join and write their resentment, we can show this as a solid
evidence to what they are doing is not wise..

Tasks:
1) Add information with proper links on the walls of this page.
2) recruit more users
3) May be a better logo??

Lets get going.. Now come on. I am waiting to see you guys as supporters on
the page..

regards,
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On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Hameed  wrote:

> > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Shrinivasan T  >wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Operating System : Preloaded Dual booting - Windows starter edition
> > > > with Anti Virus for
> > > > 1 year license and Linux.
> > >
> > > If the windows costs min 1000 INR,
> > > 9,00,000 * 1,000 = 90,00,00,000
> > >
> > > 90 Cr rupees will be given to Microsoft.
> > >
> > > If we use Gnu/Linux, we can save the 90Cr.
>
> > On 20 June 2011 12:19, Arvind S Raj  wrote:
> > Not to mention the cost of the anti-virus. It definitely wouldn't be free
> > either
>
>
> We need to schedule a meeting asap with
>
> the Chairman of Elcot's IT Department - Dr.Santhosh Babu, IAS (Phone:
> +91-44-65512332)
>
> OR with
>
> Managing Director of Elcot Mr. Atul Anand, IAS (Phone:
> +91-44-42152200, +91-44-65512330)
>
>
> to explain the Government's cost savings with FOSS and how ILUGC could
> help them.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Hameed
>
>
>
> On 20 June 2011 12:19, Arvind S Raj  wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Shrinivasan T  >wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Operating System : Preloaded Dual booting - Windows starter edition
> > > > with Anti Virus for
> > > > 1 year license and Linux.
> > >
> > > If the windows costs min 1000 INR,
> > > 9,00,000 * 1,000 = 90,00,00,000
> > >
> > > 90 Cr rupees will be given to Microsoft.
> > >
> > > If we use Gnu/Linux, we can save the 90Cr.
> >
> >
> > Not to mention the cost of the anti-virus. It definitely wouldn't be free
> > either
> >
> > For school students, school OS would ideal I guess-it's based on Ubuntu
> and
> > comes with a lot of softwares pre-installed.
> >
> > Convincing to use GNU/Linux:
> > 1. Perhaps it could be pointed out that experience with open source would
> > greatly enhance the skill of students, specially college students, and
> > enhance chances of getting a job?
> > 2. Tamil software and educational content all exist in the open source
> > domain No need for additional software(these might be proprietary too).
> > 3. Anti-virus license would have to be renewed after a year-no student
> would
> > do that; instead they would use pirated versions mostly.
> > 4. And of course, the obvious truth-more than 100 Cr would be spent for
> > sure-a colossal waste IMO.
> >
> > This needs some attention-the due date is 8th July as said in page 14.
> Not
> > very far away.
> >
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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[abdur rahman]

i hope as soon as the laptops are released 1st it ill go to private service
centers near by :P as ELCOT TVs went :D there those guys will reformat
it and they ill install the pirated copy of XP or WIN7 and make money from
that the thing is we need to aware the service center guys and the
hardware enggs to go FOSS...

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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 15:31 +0530, abdur rahman wrote:
> i hope as soon as the laptops are released 1st it ill go to private
> service
> centers near by :P as ELCOT TVs went :D there those guys will
> reformat
> it and they ill install the pirated copy of XP or WIN7 and make money
> from
> that the thing is we need to aware the service center guys and the
> hardware enggs to go FOSS... 

no - supplying company has to set up a service center in each district.
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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[Anoop John]

I think it would definitely be beneficial to have the meetings with
ELCOT Director and IT Secretary. It would also be good to issue press
releases to all major media channels - print+visual.

In Kerala for similar government level decisions what we (FSUG-Tvm)
have done in the past have been to meet with and present an open
letter to the relevant authorities. The copy of such letters were also
released to the media along with the press release.

Like mentioned earlier in the thread we will have limitations in what
we can get done but the facts can be put out there, especially to the
public. Additionally I would think that large IT companies might
actually be happy to offer support on GNU/Linux installed machines if
they can get a bulk order of 900,000 laptops and perhaps the cost of
the proprietary software towards an extended AMC.

In Kerala, we have seen results in some cases and none in some others
but in almost all cases the points raised were covered by the media.
So even if nothing comes out of the effort towards the context it
would help in  educating the public about the options available and
implications in such matters.

Thanks
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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[openbala]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:
> Friends.
>
> Operating System : Preloaded Dual booting - Windows starter edition
> with Anti Virus for
> 1 year license and Linux.
>
>

For what its worth, you can't even install visual studio 2010 express
edition (which is free) on a Windows (xp/Vista/7) starter OS.

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Re: [Ilugc] school management app

[pavithran]

On 18 June 2011 11:27, Bruce Mathew  wrote:
> FEDENA is a good choice..

Thanks for suggesting this , have tried out the demo its fits the
requirement of a school I know who are using some painful broken
propreitary software. This will also help them switch to GNU/Linux
faster( Bundling it with/add extra to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu
)   :)


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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[arunthe...@gmail.com]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:

>
> no - supplying company has to set up a service center in each district.
>
>
The law may make the Service Center to be set up, but does everyone go to
it? (Why travel 1hr when my next house friend can do it?) I never met a
person who serviced his TV in any Govt mandated service center (If at all
such a one exists).

So my thought is that Even if we make the Govt to go for FOSS; Will the
users be ready?

Think of playing Games in Linux. I bet thats the first thing most school
children would do. So I think we are just pushing the expenditure away from
govt and towards the children making the money to flow away from single Co
to local service centers and such.

I think most of you would also at sometime be approached for ** repairing **
the ** useless ** laptop and make it ** workable **( Read as "reformatting"
the "Linux" and make it "boot Windows"). Don't read me wrong, but thats what
most people think and would do.


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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[balachandar muruganantham]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> >
> > Operating System : Preloaded Dual booting - Windows starter edition
> > with Anti Virus for
> > 1 year license and Linux.
>
> If the windows costs min 1000 INR,
> 9,00,000 * 1,000 = 90,00,00,000
>
> 90 Cr rupees will be given to Microsoft.
>
>
this is not a big money for microsoft. they will even give windows for Free.
microsoft might earn indirectly. Students get used to windows and when they
go to work, they expect windows everywhere. companies pay microsoft for
licenses of their softwares.

9 Lakh students learning windows or computer?
i am not sure how did government decided the laptop configuration and the
associated software without taking inputs from students!!


> If we use Gnu/Linux, we can save the 90Cr.

may be...


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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 12:53 +0100, balachandar muruganantham wrote:
> > If we use Gnu/Linux, we can save the 90Cr.
> 
> may be... 

how much do you think redhat/canonical/novell will charge for linux?
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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[Vivek Rajagopalan]

> Think of playing Games in Linux. I bet thats the first thing most school
> children would do. So I think we are just pushing the expenditure away from
> govt and towards the children making the money to flow away from single Co
> to local service centers and such.
What are the rules here ? Can the kids just sell the laptop and buy a 
gaming system ??

I think it is necessary to innovate here.

One idea is to hardware lock (say via a custom BIOS ??) the system into 
a single supported distro of Linux. They would have to carry the unit to 
a service centre to unlock it and install anything else - at which point 
they have to provide their student ID.  Such checks are needed to 
maximize benefits of tax payer money.




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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 17:40 +0530, Vivek Rajagopalan wrote:
> One idea is to hardware lock (say via a custom BIOS ??) the system
> into 
> a single supported distro of Linux. They would have to carry the unit
> to 
> a service centre to unlock it and install anything else - at which
> point 
> they have to provide their student ID.  Such checks are needed to 
> maximize benefits of tax payer money. 

simpler to shoot anyone who uses windows ;-)
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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[Raman.P]

--- On Mon, 20/6/11, Kenneth Gonsalves  wrote:
> 
> how much do you think redhat/canonical/novell will charge
> for linux?
> -- 


In case of Govt of India Purchase under DGS & D rate contract pre-installed 
linux systems costs Rs.5860 less than equivalent Windows PC. This is for Redhat 
Desktop edition.


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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 18:07 +0530, Raman.P wrote:
> --- On Mon, 20/6/11, Kenneth Gonsalves  wrote:
> > 
> > how much do you think redhat/canonical/novell will charge
> > for linux?
> > -- 
> 
> 
> In case of Govt of India Purchase under DGS & D rate contract
> pre-installed linux systems costs Rs.5860 less than equivalent Windows
> PC. This is for Redhat Desktop edition. 

5860 less than windows? or costs Rs 5860/-?
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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[arunthe...@gmail.com]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Vivek Rajagopalan <
vi...@unleashnetworks.com> wrote:

>
> > Think of playing Games in Linux. I bet thats the first thing most school
> > children would do. So I think we are just pushing the expenditure away
> from
> > govt and towards the children making the money to flow away from single
> Co
> > to local service centers and such.
>

What I meant here is: Nobody (children) would dream of playing games in a
Linux system and would surely try to get their systems Game Compatible
(Windows). Anyways, even if the govt adopts Linux, Will the children who use
it?


> What are the rules here ? Can the kids just sell the laptop and buy a
> gaming system ??
>
>
> IMO most of the given systems (not all, but most) would be either sold away
or be ** transformed ** into complete entertainment machines with partial
educational benefit.

So IMHO if LUG makes govt accept Linux only systems, it can be said a
technical win for FOSS, but there would be no real benefits in real world.
The migration to Windows would happen at any point.

One idea is to hardware lock (say via a custom BIOS ??) the system into
> a single supported distro of Linux. They would have to carry the unit to
> a service centre to unlock it and install anything else - at which point
> they have to provide their student ID.  Such checks are needed to
> maximize benefits of tax payer money.
>

If such a thing happens, you will end up making a political mistake of
giving "Useless" systems to school children and cheating people. The
opposition would argue that why can't government give "good" systems by
spending just extra 1K for a 20-30K product and instead "cheat" people in
giving "substandard and useless" system. Believe me that is sure to be said.
(Ha ha)

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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[Vivek Rajagopalan]

> If such a thing happens, you will end up making a political mistake of
> giving "Useless" systems to school children and cheating people. The
> opposition would argue that why can't government give "good" systems by
> spending just extra 1K for a 20-30K product and instead "cheat" people in
> giving "substandard and useless" system. Believe me that is sure to be said.
> (Ha ha)
>
The other side (left) can argue that govt is promoting an American mega 
corporation while FOSS alternatives are available.
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[Ilugc] Janrain Engage or Gigya Socialize or ?? for Drupal

[Hameed]

Hi Friends

  Have you used Janrain Engage or Gigya Socialize for Drupal - for
increasing your social presence? Your reviews are appreciated. Would you
recommend using them?

  There are individual FREE drupal modules for each facebook, twitter, etc.
- which means separate development effort and testing effort on each.
Instead of focusing on developing such a feature one at a time for each
facebook, twitter, etc., if there is a module to take care of everything
social for FREE, that would be great.





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Re: [Ilugc] Clarification on OS development.

[Prasanna Venkadesh]

On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Yogesh  wrote:

> On Saturday 18 June 2011 11:22 PM, Prasanna Venkadesh wrote:
>
>> I just wanted to know is there any Linux development is going on for
>> building a system that supports both RPM and DEB packages to be used in a
>> single Distribution without use of other tools like alien.
>>
>
> That is not possible as the underlying design for RH based and Debian based
> distros are totally different. You can always compile stuff from the source!


Why cant if the underlying design be created newly that supports both RH and
Debian Based Distros?

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:35 AM, vignesh rajendran
wrote:

> Hi prasanna
>
>   I think your idea will ends in crash.Because the gcc version differs from
> redhat and debian.
>

>From your point, my idea is that if we are able to design a new Linux OS by
compiling our own version of Kernel from kernel.org by using a common
version of Gcc that can be supported to use both Rpm and Deb packages? Is
that possible?


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Re: [Ilugc] Clarification on OS development.

[L. Guruprasad]

Hi,

On Monday 20 June 2011 08:28 PM, Prasanna Venkadesh wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Yogesh  wrote:
>
>> On Saturday 18 June 2011 11:22 PM, Prasanna Venkadesh wrote:
>>
>>> I just wanted to know is there any Linux development is going on for
>>> building a system that supports both RPM and DEB packages to be used in a
>>> single Distribution without use of other tools like alien.
>>>
>>
>> That is not possible as the underlying design for RH based and Debian based
>> distros are totally different. You can always compile stuff from the source!

Please avoid cross-posting emails across multiple lists. The reply by 
"Yogesh" afaik wasn't posted to this list 
(http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2011-June/thread.html) and 
people on this list including me don't get the proper context since we 
are not subscribed to the the other lists.

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Re: [Ilugc] Clarification on OS development.

[Prasanna Venkadesh]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:38 PM, L. Guruprasad  wrote:
>
> Please avoid cross-posting emails across multiple lists. The reply by
> "Yogesh" afaik wasn't posted to this list
> (http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2011-June/thread.html) and
> people on this list including me don't get the proper context since we
> are not subscribed to the the other lists.
>

Sorry for Cross-posting. It was my mistake i haven't noticed the Mailing
list.
Thanks for correcting me.


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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[Anoop John]

> What I meant here is: Nobody (children) would dream of playing games in a
> Linux system and would surely try to get their systems Game Compatible
> (Windows). Anyways, even if the govt adopts Linux, Will the children who use
> it?

The Government of Kerala had moved to GNU/Linux based IT curriculum in
all public schools quite a while back (5-6 years I think). So
government schools across Kerala uses GNU/Linux as the platform for IT
education. I think this transition has been rather smooth and well
implemented.

Now very recently I came across a CBSE class 9 IT text book and saw
that 2/3 of the content in the text book was openoffice and GNU/Linux
OS. Not sure if this was a decision by the school authorities or
whether this was a national roll out.

Given these I definitely think that it should be possible to have a
state level roll out of GNU/Linux based laptops to students especially
given the possibility that it would be the first opportunity for a
large number of these students to be owning/using a computer. So if
they start using GNU/Linux I would think they would naturally become
comfortable with that (and the games available there, also don't
forget Fedora games spin).

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[Ilugc] Press Release to public regarding OS in the Free laptop

[Shrinivasan T]

Friends.

We have to contact the TN govt officials to discuss about the OS in
the free laptops.
We need a writeup describing the need of linux OS and why windows
should not be pre-loaded.

I request you to create a detailed writeup, so that we can share in
the press, online media and submit to the government.
I started here.
http://sync.in/letter-to-tngovt

Please help on creating  a nice writeup.

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Re: [Ilugc] Press Release to public regarding OS in the Free laptop

[Harisankar P S]

I *suggest* that we include some graphs and reference to some articles along
with the letter to make it feel more authentic and appealing.

Referring to success stories around the world can help our cause stand out
more
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/french-police-saves-millions-of-euros-by-adopting-ubuntu.ars

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Re: [Ilugc] school management app

[Gaurav Paliwal]

> Thanks for suggesting this , have tried out the demo its fits the
> requirement of a school I know who are using some painful broken
> propreitary software. This will also help them switch to GNU/Linux
> faster( Bundling it with/add extra to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu
> )   :)
>

@Narendra : Even SchoolOS ?


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Re: [Ilugc] Free laptops from TN Govt - Choice of OS

[Raman.P]

--- On Mon, 20/6/11, Kenneth Gonsalves  wrote:

> 5860 less than windows? or costs Rs 5860/-?

In the Rate Contract the price is for hardware+Windows os+Anti-Virus - bundle. 
Separate option is given where pre-loaded Linux can be ordered instead of 
Windows. If this option is exercised then the price is less (yes I mean it 
less).

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Re: [Ilugc] Press Release to public regarding OS in the Free laptop

[arunthe...@gmail.com]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

>
> I request you to create a detailed writeup, so that we can share in
> the press, online media and submit to the government.
> I started here.
> http://sync.in/letter-to-tngovt
>
> Please help on creating  a nice writeup.
>
>
I have tried to put in the outline content as much as possible, but I think
the letter wouldn't bear much value in its current state, we need to include
Pricing details and Savings in terms of Facts and Figures using suitable
charts and other info graphics. Only then would it be of more worth.

Hence, if anyone has the corresponding data, post it or still better, make a
chart to be included in the letter. Or if you donot have the time to work
post it as a shared Google Doc, I or someone might use the data to create
required chart.

Those who know the figures kindly post it.


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[Ilugc] Fwd: [FSFTN] Petition: Request to drop proprietary software from the free laptops to be distributed by the government to students of Tamil Nadu

[Shashank Jain]

http://www.fsftn.org/tn-students-laptop-petition

-- Forwarded message --
From: Alagunambi Welkin 
Date: Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:50 AM
Subject: [FSFTN] Petition: Request to drop proprietary software from the
free laptops to be distributed by the government to students of Tamil Nadu
To: mailingl...@fsftn.org


Dear Friends,

The Government of Tamil Nadu have decided to implement the scheme of free
distribution of laptops to students studying Government and Government
aided Schools and Colleges, and released a tender to procure 9,12,000 of
laptops for the same.

By the tender reference: ELCOT/PID/ICB/LTC/PI/2011-12, government wants
Proprietary Software to be installed.

The decision to include Proprietary OS in the laptops will have a huge
impact both on cost and effectiveness of its use in education. There are
9,12,000 laptops being ordered for distribution. Assuming a basic cost of
Rs1,000/- per system for the OS license, we find that it will cost the
exchequer a whopping 91.2 crore. Incidentally the anti-virus software (the
'twin brother' of MS Windows) is offered as part of the package for just 1
year. This implies that the student will have to either pay to renew the
license every year or use a pirated version. Given the weak financial
situation of a vast majority of students, especially in rural parts of the
State, it is most likely that they would would opt for latter, a highly
unethical and unsafe practice. There is also a question mark as to how and
where students are expected to renew licenses or anti-virus software.
Besides, Microsoft provides support for its products only for a stipulated
period; there is no comment on how students would get the assistance once
the product is officially withdrawn from market.

It is well known now that GNU\Linux can perform all the functions any
proprietary OS can do and much more. Most of these laptops will be used
mainly to read/edit word documents, browse the internet, multimedia
purposes, etc.. All these functions can be accomplished with ease by the
available GNU\Linux distributions. Many more educational software are
produced by the FOSS community in GNU\Linux platform than any proprietary
companies. It is worth mentioning that there are even GNU\Linux
distributions available for educational purposes which are packed with lot
of software packages required for eduction.

So, please sign the petition to give free open source software for the
younger generation of Tamil Nadu.

http://www.fsftn.org/tn-students-laptop-petition



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Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [FSFTN] Petition: Request to drop proprietary software from the free laptops to be distributed by the government to students of Tamil Nadu

[Rajagopal Swaminathan]

Greetings,

One small point:

Please remind them that even when matchbox ix bought, (inclusive of
all taxes) appear. Which means One should remind that the government
should remember that this request is coming from people who are paying
for all the Municipal/statr/central govt.pensioners, Hence we are
theier salary payers. and that may perhaps pinch somebody.

A little "manyu" rightful indignition is perfectly necessary.

Best of luck

Regards,

Rajagopal

PS: As i am in Maharashtra I do not know how to help. GIve me ideas if any.

On 6/21/11, Shashank Jain  wrote:
> http://www.fsftn.org/tn-students-laptop-petition
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Alagunambi Welkin 
> Date: Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:50 AM
> Subject: [FSFTN] Petition: Request to drop proprietary software from the
> free laptops to be distributed by the government to students of Tamil Nadu
> To: mailingl...@fsftn.org
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> The Government of Tamil Nadu have decided to implement the scheme of free
> distribution of laptops to students studying Government and Government
> aided Schools and Colleges, and released a tender to procure 9,12,000 of
> laptops for the same.
>
> By the tender reference: ELCOT/PID/ICB/LTC/PI/2011-12, government wants
> Proprietary Software to be installed.
>
> The decision to include Proprietary OS in the laptops will have a huge
> impact both on cost and effectiveness of its use in education. There are
> 9,12,000 laptops being ordered for distribution. Assuming a basic cost of
> Rs1,000/- per system for the OS license, we find that it will cost the
> exchequer a whopping 91.2 crore. Incidentally the anti-virus software (the
> 'twin brother' of MS Windows) is offered as part of the package for just 1
> year. This implies that the student will have to either pay to renew the
> license every year or use a pirated version. Given the weak financial
> situation of a vast majority of students, especially in rural parts of the
> State, it is most likely that they would would opt for latter, a highly
> unethical and unsafe practice. There is also a question mark as to how and
> where students are expected to renew licenses or anti-virus software.
> Besides, Microsoft provides support for its products only for a stipulated
> period; there is no comment on how students would get the assistance once
> the product is officially withdrawn from market.
>
> It is well known now that GNU\Linux can perform all the functions any
> proprietary OS can do and much more. Most of these laptops will be used
> mainly to read/edit word documents, browse the internet, multimedia
> purposes, etc.. All these functions can be accomplished with ease by the
> available GNU\Linux distributions. Many more educational software are
> produced by the FOSS community in GNU\Linux platform than any proprietary
> companies. It is worth mentioning that there are even GNU\Linux
> distributions available for educational purposes which are packed with lot
> of software packages required for eduction.
>
> So, please sign the petition to give free open source software for the
> younger generation of Tamil Nadu.
>
> http://www.fsftn.org/tn-students-laptop-petition
>
>
>
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> Free Software Foundation, Tamil Nadu.
> Part of - Free Software Movement of India.
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