Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Dear Mr. Senthil, Have we ever done (better) - when we are forced to do something with. Linux - have evolved (I feel) - not because of somebody forced us to use with ... - it was more of people wanting to do more, which they are not able to (or with more difficulty) some thing ... The scene in the mobile platform - where Nokia was giving only symbian (earlier), was not able to pull-off for more time. People buy Andoid phones because they can do more with it how many are knowing about android now (the users who are using it) Android - Linux connection. Nokia is not able to sell even though microsoft WindowsPhone is being packed along with Nokia - now a days - on high-end phones. When the Student is ready The teacher appears - an old and perennially truthfull statement. Instead of making this a complex issue, it would fetch excellent fruitfull results in the long run. That is what is prompting Ubuntu and all others giving this excellent OS free of cost, and making more efforts to reach people. Our concentration should be to reach more more people, instead of cramming something on their throat. Even if you install linux on the laptop, it is not sure that they will use Linux instead of Microsoft Windows. These students - who are getting educated in colleges / schools - are not dumb, but are made to join the crowd, and at this point of time, it is Microsoft Windows 7, and later 8, etc. If they perceive that Linux is 100 % rewarding for them in the long run they would certainly go for it. How many of us are really helping new people to get solutions in this forum without they getting hurt (no, I am not going to start a war), for their problems. It is still being perceived even by computer users who are more than 10 years of usage, feels that Linux is difficult, and 'getting help is very difficult'. It is this perceived thing that should be taken care off. To make this Linux more interesting, we should organise for people to get trained : Freely of course, Languages like C, etc, and every month simple competitions should be organised in localities, and taking them into State Level (Imagine IPL's Success). Organising a competition - say for 20 people, in basics, database, GIMP, etc should not be difficult - say after 3 months of coaching. A person who is 12 to 18 year old feel much satisfied with a certificate from a body like ILUGC, etc. The competition can be every 2 months, in each place. This will make people / students / parents to encourage people to even think about Linux. we can always find sponsors for these sort of events - in every place. I am trying to do something in mumbai, very shortly. My simple 2 paise (which now has no meaning / worth) with warm regards s.sivakumar mumbai 98200 10728 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Our discussions are crap till we reach out to the right people. I.e., how many people contacted the right people specified in the first few emails in the same thread On Sep 3, 2011 12:22 AM, K.P. Senthil Kumar sekumar...@gmail.com wrote: The sufferer is the students I think the sufferer will comprise Students, Common man by paying more taxes ( in some way or other) , and more importantly the Linux. Why linux will suffer? It is due to the Windows comfort the students get. Since they are comfortable with one OS then they reject Linux even it is a better system. How many of us still use word, ppt, even though we have openoffice which is equal/better than MS office. My opinion is, if students get's one OS, let's say Linux and they are forced( yes) to use and learn Linux and Linux oriented applications like openoffice etc. Majority over the period will be fan and followers of Linux and supported applications than Windows. MS did the same in the 90's This would be good for FOSS Community as more Students would come in. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender [off topic]
[off topic - DO not read if you are easily offended] This 90 crore might be well spend on starving kids and kids who require medical care God forbid, What would have happened if our parents had invested all their money for OUR future health care instead of education and deprived us of our IIT or BITS pilani or BE education !! citing our health reasons ! Can I say that health care is more important than education ? NO In reality sometimes people starve themselves to get educated. Why ? Empowering the masses by giving them access to information (translates to free laptop and internet) directly helps in alleviating the poor and downtrodden. So let the govt release the laptops to these poor kids and once they start using it, browse the internet etc they will switch over to whatever o/s they feel like. SO first let them get the damn laptops ! How many of us can say that they were born with linux ? I for one ,worked on windows initially before switching over to linux. I would like to mention the remarks of my neighbour the other day. Our children also will have laptops their children also will have laptops how can we allow this ?? I rest my case Chris ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] need help - I get this message every time I open Libre Office
Dear All, sometime back - a month I think - when trying to install Libreoffice 3.4 (not from Ubuntu repository), without uninstalling Libre office 3.3, I installed it, and it was successful too. But felt that it was still booting to 3.3, so I uninstalled through synaptic, and then installed Libreoffice 3.4. It was successful too, and i have all the latest features. But, i am getting this message every time I open Libreoffice - word, calc or anything in a pop up box : LibreOffice 3.4 - Error loading BASIC of document file:///home/office/.libreoffice/3/user/basic/dialog.xlc/: General Error. General input/output error Can anyone suggest how to solve this.. It is only slightly irritating, and also embarassing, when I show it to my customers, whom I trying to make them install Libreoffice, when they have Microsoft Office 2003 / 2007 etc. (I am not a seller of IT - but power conditioning equipments). Thanks with warm regards s.sivakumar mumbai 98200 10728 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender [off topic]
This 90 crore might be well spend on starving kids and kids who require medical care God forbid, What would have happened if our parents had invested all their money for OUR future health care instead of education and deprived us of our IIT or BITS pilani or BE education !! citing our health reasons ! Well for one, my parents were not as poor as the government and they could invest on my health and my future education. Also if I had a sibling who had a major health issue and my parents required the money they had to treat the other child, I would have not got my great education and I would have accepted it with all humility. Can I say that health care is more important than education ? NO Well I differ! Health care IS more important than education! I feel more sorry for a dying child than ever care about a child getting education In reality sometimes people starve themselves to get educated. Why ? Education is not about laptops. Did Dr.Abdul Kalam have a laptop when he was kid? Empowering the masses by giving them access to information (translates to free laptop and internet) directly helps in alleviating the poor and downtrodden. Yes I agree on the point of empowering with information. But at what cost? Kids I know hardly ever use their computers for getting empowered. They typically use it play games, enjoy social networking, stream videos and as a huge juke box of songs and videos. I don't want my tax money to be used for this. I would like to mention the remarks of my neighbour the other day. Our children also will have laptops their children also will have laptops how can we allow this ?? I rest my case How is this relevant to my post or any? Anyways, see, this also adds to my case. We as a society is this immature, dumb and class conscious. Let's remove all of these and spend money on these. Regards, Arun ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender [off topic]
Yes the dying child will be saved but that child will still be one notch down in the society when compared to other so called elite children who were fortunate to have parents who could afford both health care and education. Anyways, see, this also adds to my case. We as a society is this immature, dumb and class conscious. Let's remove all of these and spend money on these. Good point. Yes and that is exactly being done now with the laptops and etc and some forces are bent on stopping the reforms and that makes me sad. Yes I agree on the point of empowering with information. But at what cost? Kids I know hardly ever use their computers for getting empowered. They typically use it play games, enjoy social networking, stream videos and as a .huge juke box of songs and videos. I don't want my tax money to be used for .this. And you know kids use it for browsing wikipedia too nowadays. So do you want to deprive those genuine kids too? Education is not about laptops. Did Dr.Abdul Kalam have a laptop when he was kid? Times change. I used to go to British council earlier for all the information not computers or laptops. But nowadays show me one college student without a laptop/computer ? It has become a necessity of life. Chris ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand this However we did not feel that he can amend the decision., Do you mean, He cannot amend the tender, because he is not behind the tender or as he cannot amend it as it has been already out? After all they ended up amending the tender silently, my theory is that they are twisting and turning the tender to favour someone who cannot or don't want provide Linux compatible PCs. It would be interesting see who is going to win the tender! It is better to write to the communist party and inform them what is going on! http://www.tncpim.org/?q=contact http://www.tncpim.org/?q=node/5 -- Arun S.A.G http://zer0c00l.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Just curious: Why is Red Hat not raising a hue and cry over this? After all they are a commercial entity and they are an adversely affected party! They also have the experience and clout in lobbying! regds, mano ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
In today's paper, there is an article on the same, although it claims the change is due to a price difference, -- http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/article2419753.ece The plan to install Linux (Tamil) software has been scrapped, as per the new proposal. “We wanted the price to be as competitive as possible, and the installation of open source software was costing us Rs.100 more a machine,” said a top official in the IT Department. -- Is it possible that the service/support cost for linux is more expensive when compared to windows ? since there are a large no. of technicians who provide support for windows. I wonder why the high price. Although, they do mention that the laptops will have open office and other Tamil softwares, so that is a plus. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Government's policy can be challenged in Courts. Recently, the hon'ble Supreme Court issued notice to TN Govt on the freebies as promised in the election manifesto. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/sc-notice-to-cag-ec-centre-jayalalitha-on-freebies-row/articleshow/9839279.cms The judgement has come in this case in favour of the govt. Please do not misguide. or is this a joke?.. The above link mentions clearly that the Hon'ble Court issued noticed just yesterday. How come the Court went infavour of Govt? 2 Sep, 2011, 09.46PM IST, PTI The bench passed the directions on a petition filed by a Tamil Nadu Bar advocate S Subramaniam Balaji seeking transfer of the writ petition filed on the issue by him in the Madras High Courthttp://economictimes.indiatimes.com/search.cms?query=Madras%20High%20Courtsince another petition relating to the distribution of free colour television sets by the previous DMK government was pending in the apex court. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Sep 3, 2011 11:23 AM, Arun Venkataswamy arun...@gmail.com wrote: I hope the courts help in pulling out this entire thing of free laptops. +1 There's all probability that a vast majority of these laptops will end up being used for totally unrelated purposes - games, music, movies, and porn. I'm sure the government can come up with a cheaper and more effective plan to educate our children - hiring and training better teachers, improving school infrastructure and syllabus. -Raja ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Sat, 2011-09-03 at 16:23 +0530, Raja Subramanian wrote: There's all probability that a vast majority of these laptops will end up being used for totally unrelated purposes - games, music, movies, and porn. it is through these 4 purposes that people become computer literate. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Problem with gcc+CentOS 5.6
Hi, I need to install nginx in my CentOS-5.6 box. But it is showing some error like: *# sh ./configure --prefix='/opt/nginx' --with-http_ssl_module --with-cc-opt='-Wno-error' --add-module='/var/lib/passenger-standalone/3.0.8-x86_64-ruby1.8.7-linux-gcc4.1.2-1002/support/ext/nginx' checking for OS + Linux 2.6.18-238.19.1.el5 x86_64 checking for C compiler ... found but is not working ./configure: error: C compiler gcc is not found *I have installed gcc and g++ and these are already there: 1. gcc: /usr/bin/gcc /usr/lib/gcc /usr/libexec/gcc /usr/share/man/man1/gcc.1.gz 2. g++: /usr/bin/g++ /usr/share/man/man1/g++.1.gz Can anyone please help me out? -- Best, Zico ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
FSFTN condemns Govt move to drop FOSS operating system from the free laptops. Please read http://fsftn.org/content/we-condemn-act-removing-free-software-latest-tender-free-laptop-scheme -- Thank you, Shanu S Sukoor - Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [FSFTN] We condemn the act of removing Free Software from the latest tender of Free Laptop Scheme
Dear Friends, This is in response to the removing of Free Software from the latest tender of ELCOT in the name of so called cost-cutting to procure 0.9 Million laptops for students in Tamil Nadu. The Free Software Foundation, Tamil Nadu strongly condemns this move and we have already initiated steps against it by working with sympathetic media groups and other like minded user groups communities. This specific issue and the larger implementation of the laptop scheme are key to the spreading of Free Software in the State, especially among the younger generation. Let us join together and fight for the cause. Please find the latest news letter on the above issue as follows, http://fsftn.org/content/we-condemn-act-removing-free-software-latest-tender-free-laptop-scheme -- Alagunambi Welkin Executive Committee Member Free Software Foundation, Tamil Nadu. Part of - Free Software Movement of India. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Saturday 03 September 2011 04:23 PM, Raja Subramanian wrote: On Sep 3, 2011 11:23 AM, Arun Venkataswamyarun...@gmail.com wrote: I hope the courts help in pulling out this entire thing of free laptops. +1 There's all probability that a vast majority of these laptops will end up being used for totally unrelated purposes - games, music, movies, and porn. Most likely they will be resold. Imagine my surprise when I saw TN govt-supplied tv set at a relative's place in Hyderabad. When I asked him about it, he said something like, oh, I went to TN on an assignment, and somebody who works on the (construction) site sold it to me for 2k. I guess that's the fate of most PDS-supplied rations too. Vamsee. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On 03-09-2011 16:31, kenneth gonsalves wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-03 at 16:23 +0530, Raja Subramanian wrote: There's all probability that a vast majority of these laptops will end up being used for totally unrelated purposes - games, music, movies, and porn. it is through these 4 purposes that people become computer literate. +1 Fantastic. You nailed it. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Arduino Boards
On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 09:15 +0200, Krishna wrote: If you are looking for low cost arduino compatible in india, you can see Riduino. http://www.roboticsindia.com/entry.php/84-Riduino-Low-Cost-Fully-compatible-Arduino-for-India This is very cool, a fourth of the cost. I already have an Arduino Duemilanove (Bought online from Tenet Tech for ₹1360 shipped, IIRC). When the say 'fully compatible' do they mean programs will run or do they mean shields are compatible as well? Regards, -- Roshan George ros...@arjie.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Today's The Hindu carries clarification by the Minister for IT, TN has clarified that the laptops will be loaded with BOSS by ELCOT itself. I think all of us should be happy. Raman.P blog:http://ramanchennai.wordpress.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Free Laptop without Free OS
Respected Editor, With respect to http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/article2419753.ece I seriously don't like the decision of our TamilNadu Goverment to skip Linux Based operating system in favor of Windows. The reason being that if students begin to learn just windows during their academics they would think that the world is just made up of windows and end up paying a whole deal of money to MNC abroad for setting up a company of their own because they need to purchase licensed copy of Windows OS. We have our own free Operating System developed in India by CDAC (Center for Development of Advance Computing) called as BOSS (Bharath Operating System Solutions) http://bosslinux.in why don't we have this installed on our freely distributed laptops ? *Before Independence we were scrapped of our resources by some foreign nation, Now we are allowing our self and the future generation to be scrapped of their resources by giving them just windows instead of the path to freedom, SHAME ON US [?]* Regards, Bala 33A.gif___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Raman.P raam...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Today's The Hindu carries clarification by the Minister for IT, TN has clarified that the laptops will be loaded with BOSS by ELCOT itself. I think all of us should be happy. http://www.thehindu.com/education/issues/article2423376.ece -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
I just wrote a blog post about it :) http://www.linuxcandy.com/2011/09/minister-for-it-tamil-nadu-clarifies.html On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Raman.P raam...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Today's The Hindu carries clarification by the Minister for IT, TN has clarified that the laptops will be loaded with BOSS by ELCOT itself. I think all of us should be happy. http://www.thehindu.com/education/issues/article2423376.ece -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Happy to hear Off from home On Sep 3, 2011 11:05 PM, Raman.P raam...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Today's The Hindu carries clarification by the Minister for IT, TN has clarified that the laptops will be loaded with BOSS by ELCOT itself. I think all of us should be happy. Raman.P blog:http://ramanchennai.wordpress.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Chandan Gupta gupta.chand...@gmail.comwrote: I just wrote a blog post about it :) http://www.linuxcandy.com/2011/09/minister-for-it-tamil-nadu-clarifies.html Thanks for those IIT Students others who made this to happen.Without your efforts this would not have been possible. Thanks agian. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Free Laptop without Free OS
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Balasubramaniam Natarajan bala150...@gmail.com wrote: Respected Editor, With respect to http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/article2419753.ece I seriously don't like the decision of our TamilNadu Goverment to skip Linux Based operating system in favor of Windows. The reason being that if students begin to learn just windows during their academics they would think that the world is just made up of windows and end up paying a whole deal of money to MNC abroad for setting up a company of their own because they need to purchase licensed copy of Windows OS. We have our own free Operating System developed in India by CDAC (Center for Development of Advance Computing) called as BOSS (Bharath Operating System Solutions) http://bosslinux.in why don't we have this installed on our freely distributed laptops ? *Before Independence we were scrapped of our resources by some foreign nation, Now we are allowing our self and the future generation to be scrapped of their resources by giving them just windows instead of the path to freedom, SHAME ON US [?]* Regards, Bala Good efforts Bala! Many thanks for your effort. Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
