Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Sahil ModGill]

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Baskar Selvaraj wrote:

>
> Not necessary.  I wish to stay away from all these noices because of my
> regular posts in this list.
>


Si, no disturbance due to any of your post.

>
> As I was really worried about our education system going behind proprietary
> software, I took my very own initiative of promoting the value of FREE
> software in academics and will be doing that so for my lifetime.
>

I appreciate your efforts so please carry forward in your own way. Don't
give importance to these talks.

>
> Thanks for everyone who have supported me over the years.  I will remain
> silent in this list, but won't be posting anything.
>

Why to be silent? Do what you like. I appreciate your efforts in promoting
FOSS. Keep it up.

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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Baskar Selvaraj]

Dear members,


> how about taking this action item in the next meet?.
>

Not necessary.  I wish to stay away from all these noices because of my
regular posts in this list.

As I was really worried about our education system going behind proprietary
software, I took my very own initiative of promoting the value of FREE
software in academics and will be doing that so for my lifetime.

As my recent posts have produced a lot of noices within the community about
my activities including me, I wish to stay away from this list for sometime.

Any activities done by me (either for myself / my company / community /
colleges benefit), I would rather post them in my own group were there are
more than 1000+ members (mostly from academics) which I have built over
years, whom I focus and also who understand me well and about my
initiatives and keep supporting us all the time.

Sorry for all the disturbances happened due to me.  Let us stop this thread
here.  I will keep contributing to the community in my own way I think.

Thanks for everyone who have supported me over the years.  I will remain
silent in this list, but won't be posting anything.

S. Baskar
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Sundaram KR]

I want to make several points on this topic: 





1. The Free in FOSS stands for Freedom or Sudhandhiram; not Free as in Gratis 
or Ilavasam. As long as any of the 3000 members of this list post their 
thoughts, and those postings are related to Freedom providing software; I or 
nobody should have any objection. I argued this point with the late Kenneth 
Gonsalvez; and he suggested to put a "Commercial" tag; which in my opinion is 
redundant and nonsensical. 




2. The Linux kernel is jointly developed by entities such as RedHat, IBM etc. 
all of which are commercial public companies, that exist to provide gains to 
shareholders. The employees from the companies routinely post on the Linux 
Kernel mailing list. They do not add [Commercial] tag to each and every post. I 
don't see why our Linux User Group mailing list should be any different. 




3. The fact that Baskar is a long-time member of this list is not relevant to 
this discussion; the fact that he is talking about Freedom providing software 
is the only relevant point. 




4 All postings in this list should serve a purpose to be relevant; sending 
reports of workshops 10 times a month, serves no useful purpose in my opinion. 
Rather, it can be posted that a workshop was conducted on so and so topic; and 
so and so were the agenda and activities therein. If somebody can conduct 
workshop on some relevant topics; they can post their capability even if they 
do or do not conduct workshops. Provided that this is done on occasion; this 
need not be construed as advertising. Evangelism is also advertising, and 
advertising skills on Freedom Software; even at a price; should be acceptable 
and encouraged on this list. The thread on a Facebook page for this list is 
also to advertise the existence of this list and its members; so advertising 
FOSS capabilities on this list is not evil. 




5. If required, we can insist on "Ad" tag for such threads; and have a policy 
restricting the number of Ad posts to say 5 or 10 per month. In my opinion the 
Ad tag is not required; but if some people strongly feel; it can be insisted. 
There is no shame on posting Ads; in fact; only because of the postings I came 
to know of some people and their skills. 




...KRS 




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Re: [Ilugc] Creating a facebook group for ilugc

[Madan U Sreenivasan]

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:05 PM, balachandar muruganantham <
mbchan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Shrinivasan T  >wrote:


[snip]


> > https://www.facebook.com/groups/149125865297604/
> > Join there if you are interested.
> >
>  joined. again new rules and guidelines?
>

ROFL!

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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன்]

Hi,

Apologies for top posting.

regards,

Thyagarajan Shanmugham
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன்]

Hi

>>If some members dont want to hear, shouldnt it be decided by the
community?
> may be take a vote. lets not define rules and regulations just to do
define
> it.

how about taking this action item in the next meet?.


regards,

Thyagarajan Shanmugham


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Mohan L  wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM, balachandar muruganantham <
> mbchan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Shrinivasan T  > >wrote:
> >
> >
> > If some members dont want to hear, shouldnt it be decided by the
> community?
> > may be take a vote. lets not define rules and regulations just to do
> define
> > it.
> >
>
> +1.
>
> Thanks
> Mohan L
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Re: [Ilugc] Best Linux Distro for Office use

[balachandar muruganantham]

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Arun Khan  wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:01 PM, balachandar muruganantham
>  wrote:
> > we want to use the distro for office use meaning it will be used people
> who
> > are not techie.
> >
> > we will be doing the following
> > 1. Take printout of PDF.
> > 2. Take print out of word doc using Libreoffice / open office
> > 3. Should support Canon 2900B Printer / any other printer on network
> > 4. Should support chrome web browser.
> > 5. should be easy to file share.
> >
>
> Pretty much any distro supports all of the above.  The specific apps
> would depend on whether you choose KDE / GNOME / XFCE / LXDE or other
> desktop environment (DE)
>

are you sure? i am experiencing the opposite.


>
> > i have used ubuntu and its not office friendly.
>
> Can you please elaborate on the above?   Is the default interface a
> problem or something else?
>

i am not talking about user friendly. i am talking about office friendly.
my staffs are having trouble in using it. they dont print stuff properly.
setup is tedious. even after setting it up, stops working some time.


>
> >
> > Please suggest.
> >
>
> Without specifics issues that you have with Ubuntu, it is kind of hard
> to suggest something else.The KDE / GNOME / XFCE or other DE in
> any Linux distro is more or pretty much the same.
>

agree. PDF printing is not same across platforms. unable to setup printer
drivers easily. Tamil unicode texts are not visible properly in ubuntu.

anything and everything i need, i have to do lot of hacks and
configurations to get it working. i also need to read lots of mailing lists
/ forums / documentations.

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Re: [Ilugc] Creating a facebook group for ilugc

[balachandar muruganantham]

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> Thanks for all the comments.
>
>
> Though we create facebook group, the mailing list will remain as it is.
>
> why not google groups? why facebook group?


> We lack physical volunteers for any of the activities.
> Please check the archives on the replies for any "Call for X".
>

will it solve the problem? are we going to replicate all posts between
facebook and mailing list? this could lead to inactive mailing list.


>
> To make more interactions with people and to get more
> volunteers/participants/visibility,
> created a facebook group.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/149125865297604/
>
> Join there if you are interested.
>
>
 joined. again new rules and guidelines?


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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[balachandar muruganantham]

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> I dont mean that people dont like your posts.
>
> They just wanted the posts to come without the string "on bahalf of
> ilugc" as none of the ilugc members know how you contact the colleges
> and organize the events.
>
>
who are they? This is a open group any one can join. Lets be transparent.


> You can directly say as "on bahalf of linuxpert.in" too. No harm in this.
>
>
There is nothing harm in saying "on behalf of ILUG-C". Baskar Selvaraj is a
long time member. He does his contributions and promotions to FOSS in his
own way. He can be benefited financially. but thats okay.


> Please keep sending these mails as they show the activities happening
> in tamilnadu colleges.
>
>
This is a contradicting statement. I guess every time he does any
activities, he should have mentioned ILUG-C and LinuXpert systems. so he is
promoting ILUG-C in the colleges. isn't it good?


> Thanks.
>
>
so if i am owner of a company and i am also member, and i wanted to conduct
a event. shouldnt i say "on behalf of ILUG-C"?  If it is not, then are we
proprietory? is ILUGC copyrighted?

it is like saying "Indians" are wining in cricket matches. so should we say
we are not wining. it is bcci cricket members are wining?

my suggestion to Baskar sir, you can and should and have all the freedom to
say "on behalf of ILUG-C".

If some members dont want to hear, shouldnt it be decided by the community?
may be take a vote. lets not define rules and regulations just to do define
it.

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[Ilugc] 1D1C - ifup

[Dhana Sekar]

command: ifup
usage: bring a network interface up

syntax: $ ifup  

examples:

1. To bring up interface eth1

$ ifup eth1

2. To bring up all the interfaces defined with auto
in /etc/network/interfaces

$ ifup -a

3. To show summary of all options

$ ifup --help


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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Mohan L]

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM, balachandar muruganantham <
mbchan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Shrinivasan T  >wrote:
>
>
> If some members dont want to hear, shouldnt it be decided by the community?
> may be take a vote. lets not define rules and regulations just to do define
> it.
>

+1.

Thanks
Mohan L

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] M.Sc FOSS Final Semester Project

[Srinivasan Sundararajan]

hi all,
the Anna Univ M.Sc. CS-FOSS curriculum, syllabus and other details are
available at : http://cde.annauniv.edu/MSCFOSS/

it may give you an overall idea of what the students are being taught (and
expected to know). Since many of the students are working in some IT area,
their knowledge levels will vary -- work experience might have increased
their knowledge while some might have concentrated less on the subjects due
to work pressure !

during my lectures (for 1st sem students) I advise them to start
interaction with some FOSS group, preferably LUG/GLUG.  I think a
reasonable number of them have joined or already members of some FOSS group
or other.

For the next batch (the admission is open) beginning in Oct 2013, I will
try giving "your experience in working with your nearby LUG" as an
assignment for the unit 2 of "Philosophy and Practice of FOSS".

We generally advise the students to start thinking about the project
options when they finish second semester. However, putting this into
practice is a different matter. There is also the reality : most of the
"students" have full time jobs tagged with personal & family
responsibilities. While this is not an excuse, I request those who have
specific project suggestions to  keep this in mind.

I am also hoping to interact with the "donor" group so that the current
batch could be helped out and some road map could be set for the
forthcoming batches. Suggestions/interactions could be thru my gmail id :
srini...@gmail.com

thanks and best wishes
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Baskar Selvaraj]

>
> They just wanted the posts to come without the string "on bahalf of
> ilugc" as none of the ilugc members know how you contact the colleges
> and organize the events.
>

Earlier, this list received few requests for conducting guest lecture /
workshop on FOSS in their respective colleges.  As no one has responded or
followed up, later they contacted me for the same to conduct in their
colleges.

NPR Arts and Science College, Dindigul
http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2013-July/077626.html

Care School of Engineering, Trichy
http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2013-July/077404.html
http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2013-July/077412.html
http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2013-September/078052.html

Would like to hear on the above either from the Co-ordinator or from the
members.

S. Baskar
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] M.Sc FOSS Final Semester Project

[Srinivasan Sundararajan]

hi all,
the M.Sc
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Baskar Selvaraj]

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> I dont mean that people dont like your posts.
>
> They just wanted the posts to come without the string "on bahalf of
> ilugc" as none of the ilugc members know how you contact the colleges
> and organize the events.
>
> You can directly say as "on bahalf of linuxpert.in" too. No harm in this.
>

Let us later decide which tagline to use, 'on behalf of ILUG-C', or 'on
behalf of LinuXpert Systems'.

I wish that, our community members understand that I am doing my activities
in the true spirit of FOSS *as a member of this community* not as a *CEO of
my company* promoting my business.

Ok. I Will continue to post without any tags in future.

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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Shrinivasan T]

I dont mean that people dont like your posts.

They just wanted the posts to come without the string "on bahalf of
ilugc" as none of the ilugc members know how you contact the colleges
and organize the events.

You can directly say as "on bahalf of linuxpert.in" too. No harm in this.

Please keep sending these mails as they show the activities happening
in tamilnadu colleges.

Thanks.


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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] M.Sc FOSS Final Semester Project

[Shrinivasan T]

>>
>> I am one of the student and now I am in the final semester (project sem).
>>
>> My IT background is full of Linux administration and not a programmer. But
>> in this semester I need to do a project in any open source technology.

Creating something new will be a nice project.

Dont afraid to write programs, even though you are a sysadmin.

Hope you have tought programming also in M.Sc FOSS.

I have a requirement for wikipedia commons using openphoto.
Requirements are here.
https://goinggnu.wordpress.com/2013/07/31/project-idea-nice-web-gallery-for-wikimedia-commons/

You can do this in PHP.

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[Ilugc] Ubuntu Global Jam 2013

[Shrinivasan T]

Ubuntu is growing by the community. Ubuntu runs many events to get
more volunteers and contributions.

Global Jam is one of the events where anyone can provide their
contributions, along with lot of people around the globe.

We had the event in Sep 13,14,and 15 2013.

Ubuntu-IN LoCo team had the event online at #ubuntu-in IRC channel at
irc.freenode.net

We can do any of the following during these days.

Development
Packaging
Testing
Documentation
Artwork
Triaging Bugs
Reporting Bugs
Translation

I picked up on packaging and documentation.

I learnt python packaging.
Installed python-stdeb

http://shallowsky.com/blog/programming/python-debian-packages-w-stdeb.html

This tutorial explains how can we package the python software.

Packaged the software "qrcode"
https://github.com/lincolnloop/python-qrcode

It provided nice installable deb files.

Next step is to create PPA in launchpad.

http://shallowsky.com/blog/programming/packaging-launchpad-ppas.html

This link explains this.

My PPA is accepted, but still,I had some troubles in sending my deb
files to PPA.
Exploring more about this.

Wanted to contribute for Kubuntu Documentation.
Found the existing tasks here.
https://trello.com/kubuntu
https://trello.com/b/4zyxwgRP/kubuntu-docs-saucy-salamander

Can not work on this much as the existing doc itself looks very fine.

Read the existing doc for any spell errors. everything looks fine.

We had our Local Linux Users group's monthly meeting.
Presented about "Ubuntu Global Jam".
Explained how anyone can contribute for ubuntu in various ways.

Explored Launchpad's bug process.

http://www.slideshare.net/tshrinivasan/contribute-toubuntu

Wrote an article in Tamil about Launchpad bug process for Kaniyam.com,
an online E-Magazine for Free Open Source Software in Tamil.

Will organize a event locally to do these kind of Jam for
contributing, next time.

Thanks for the Ubuntu team for such events.

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Re: [Ilugc] Creating a facebook group for ilugc

[Balachandran Sivakumar]

Hi Shrini,

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:
> Thanks for all the comments.
>
>
> Though we create facebook group, the mailing list will remain as it is.
>

 Unless every post in facebook is
posted(automatically/however) to this list, this is a very bad and
disappointing decision. People who are only on the list *might be* put
to disadvantage.

> We lack physical volunteers for any of the activities.
> Please check the archives on the replies for any "Call for X".
>
> To make more interactions with people and to get more
> volunteers/participants/visibility,
> created a facebook group.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/149125865297604/
>
> Join there if you are interested.
>

 It is not a question of interest - We are all here because we
are interested. It is a question on what facebook would do with the
data. It is enough trouble having to worry about what gmail will do
with my data(for people like me who use gmail). Hope you understand.
Thanks

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Re: [Ilugc] Creating a facebook group for ilugc

[Shrinivasan T]

Thanks for all the comments.


Though we create facebook group, the mailing list will remain as it is.

We lack physical volunteers for any of the activities.
Please check the archives on the replies for any "Call for X".

To make more interactions with people and to get more
volunteers/participants/visibility,
created a facebook group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/149125865297604/

Join there if you are interested.





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Re: [Ilugc] Creating a facebook group for ilugc

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:
> 1. Many ILUGC members have fear on posting to mailing list. They have told
> many times to me in person. They may have to learn many guidelines. They
> feel that facebook has no guidelines.

I see a few issues interlinked.

New participants in Free and Open Source Software are in a way getting
drawn into specialized niches. As an explanation, there are enough
programming language specific groups/sub-groups where a new
participant finds interesting issues to dive into or, ask.

Facebook/G+ are gradually making a move to be the "one single page"
for any user. By which I mean that irrespective of the hardware
platform being used (desktop, mobile), the social networks tend to be
the firehose of information (and, sometimes of discussion)

Requiring to learn guidelines to undertake an activity should not be
the cause for fear. A lot of activities that one does eg, driving a
car, operating a machinery, buying/selling goods/products, creating
software applications/services need the operator to be aware of
guidelines and instructions. At some point I fear that "the mailing
list guidelines are too rigid" is a very easy throwaway excuse. Having
being around long enough to have seen (and, be the recipient of)
various mailing list guidelines hammers, I can safely say that the
user group lists are far more welcome and tolerant. In fact, they go
out of their way to help an individual learn how to clearly articulate
their issues. It is indeed the case that English may not be the
language we are most proficient in, however, it is the language that
is most used when communicating on various platforms. To be able to
acquire skills to communicate virtually is not something that is a
cheap skill of no obvious use.

Having said all of the above, I would request that you consider
different platforms like Askbot for example, instead of having the
content locked into a FB/G+ group. There will be some content
generated and, having forums where a structured Q&A is possible
ensures that the new participants can also feel encouraged to become
regular contributors.


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Re: [Ilugc] Creating a facebook group for ilugc

[Arun Khan]

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Balachandran Sivakumar
 wrote:

>
> What we can do is, make it newbie friendly. We can help newbies both
> with the problem they are facing and with the guidelines.
>

We can discuss this ad infinitum.   The newbie expectation (from my
perspective) is that senior/experienced users must bend / bow to them,
hold their hands and spoon feed them.

You go through the archives and you will find people posing questions
and then disappearing when more information is sought from them.   A
few have been "fearless" and their knowledge base has blossomed, if
this is their "fear" then IMO they should stick with whatever OS they
are comfortable with.   They are switching to Linux for their *own*
benefit, the FOSS community has it's own culture and they need to
embrace and adopt it.   They are not doing FOSS any favor by switching
to Linux/*BSD.   IMO, this is no different than relocating to a
different part of the world, learning the local language, eating local
food and adopting the local culture.

>> In the age of internet, the support we give is very less, while most of the
>> content is available on various forums/blogs/stackoverflow etc. Do we need
>> archiving? How are we using ilugc mail archives?
>>
>
>   Yes, we do need archiving.. The content available on forums
> etc. is available because they decided to archive. Archiving
> contributes to the existing knowledge base, irrespective of how less
> the support we give is. For eg., the other day Noorul Islam helped
> another member with the usb dongle(or something similar). Now that it
> is archived, it will benefit everyone.
>

+1.  I don't want to share my query/knowledge on FB which is 'closed'
to search engines (as Shrini mentioned in an earlier post).

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Arun Khan
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I'd rather be called a moron, than walk around with doubts in my mind.
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