Re: [Ilugc] Recover deleted files
On Thursday 12 August 2010 04:01 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: how did this happen? I am always rm'ing links and the directories never get deleted. sudo rm link-name - won't be a problem. sudo rm link-name/ - deletes the underlying directory. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Recover deleted files
On Thursday 12 August 2010 05:07 PM, Akilan R wrote: But this happens only when the directory is empty. How did the files inside the directory got deleted? is there some kind of alias that replaced 'rm' with 'rm -r' in your system? I was giving an example when someone asked how can deleting a link deletes the actual folder. Not a working code. apologies. Obviously, yes- sudo is not required always yes- -r is required to delete a non-empty directory. And, yes- adding a star at the end will delete the contents and won't delete the directory yes- if you try it in your system, it might not behave as expected. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Cygwin / andLinux / virtual machine / ?
On Thursday 12 August 2010 03:39 PM, Noorul Islam K M wrote: I think this will be the ideal solution. I would rather have windows 7 as guest. Point taken. Thanks! ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Cygwin / andLinux / virtual machine / ?
So, my current development environment is Linux. It is a Ruby-on-Rails application maintained in svn repository with MySQL backend. We also use git through git-svn bridge. I need to be in Windows 7 for other reasons and I want the command-line goodness to be with me in Windows as well. I tried Cygwin, but ruby on Cygwin is a bit slower than native ruby. I haven't tried andLinux, but I'll try it today to see if it is any better. The other options I've found is using a Linux VM through VMWare/VirtualBox. I don't want to do this as a personal preference. But I'm keeping this as a last option. Is there any other way? Anybody used andLinux before? Is it better than Cygwin? ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [FYI] StackExchange gets a separate Q A site for ubuntu
FYI - If you guys didn't already know. So, most of you would know about the site stackexchange.com. It hosts some of the well known Q A sites such as stackoverflow.com, superuser.com and more. They've come up with a new site dedicated for Ubuntu users - ubuntu.stackexchange.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tip] Edit The Command Line With Vim
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 09:46 AM, Tha.Suresh wrote: Edit The Command Line With Vim This is a quick (and great) tip I found at Daily Vim: Open a linux terminal, and type some (long) command. Now type [ctrl]+[x] and then [ctrl]+[e] The command should be moved now to a vim window. Edit the command (fix typos, change parameters, etc..) and save. The command will now be executed. :) Didn't work in zsh, works in bash. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tip] Edit The Command Line With Vim
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 09:53 AM, Balaji Damodaran wrote: On Wednesday 04 August 2010 09:46 AM, Tha.Suresh wrote: Edit The Command Line With Vim This is a quick (and great) tip I found at Daily Vim: Open a linux terminal, and type some (long) command. Now type [ctrl]+[x] and then [ctrl]+[e] The command should be moved now to a vim window. Edit the command (fix typos, change parameters, etc..) and save. The command will now be executed. :) Didn't work in zsh, works in bash. and in Ubuntu, it opened in nano - apparently, vim was not installed. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] From Mark Shuttleworth
On Saturday 31 July 2010 11:24 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Sorry but that makes no sense. If someone preaches something, it is obvious to ask, have you followed what you preach? Why should we ignore the history of the person saying it? alright, I wanted this discussion to stick to the 'tribalism' and not on the merits demerits of Mark Shuttleworth. I don't have any reasons or facts to defend him. I don't want to. Lets just hope that similar blog post is written by someone we respect in the industry, so that at least then we'll discuss whats written in it (hopefully in a php website, if it was in asp.net we brand him as an idiot) Do people hate Ubuntu and Shuttleworth or what! anyways, I'm going back to coding. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: [OT] From Mark Shuttleworth
On Saturday 31 July 2010 02:06 PM, ம.ஸ்ரீராமதாஸ் wrote: Come on! none one them feels redundant when they say its Linux:-) few wants GNU before it though. Actually, Ubuntu's website doesn't even say that its Linux! Only when you drill deep into its documentation, you'll find this quote Ubuntu is an entirely open source operating system built around the /Linux/ kernel. For this, if I'm visiting its home page (ubuntu.com), I need to make 4 clicks. (home page - support - documentation - Ubuntu version - About Ubuntu). Soon, in the near distant future, this will only be a part of the license formality just like what Apple does with its Mac OSX. Linux for human beings is a marketing strategy used by Ubuntu till the recent past, I don't see their websites boasting about that now. ahem However, openSUSE is claiming that their distro is Linux for open minds, how dare they think that I'm a closed minded person? This is atrocious. Bad openSUSE, bad Novell, bad people, #fail. my distro is better than theirs. #win /ahem ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] From Mark Shuttleworth
On Saturday 31 July 2010 10:04 AM, Akilan R wrote: A very neat and timely essay from Mark Shuttleworth about tribalism in Free Software world: Thanks for sharing. Sometimes I see some posts which are openly against to one software company and particularly to its operating system. And they always spell the OS name or the company name wrong - I guess they think they're kind of cool by doing that. I always wonder, whats wrong with them - Mark puts it very well. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] From Mark Shuttleworth
On Saturday 31 July 2010 10:37 AM, Asokan Pichai wrote: Well. Mr Shuttleworth is not very well known for practising what he preaches. You may look at Awesome, so the owner of Canonical and thus Ubuntu, talks some sense about how to behave in a open source community, how to treat others with respect and how tribalism and fanboism[sic] is stupid and all we can do is do finger pointing? Saying 'hey, you're not perfect either'. Such a childish behavior! Please treat the post for what it says and not for the history of the person who says it. P.S. I'm not a huge fan of Mark Shuttleworth, and disagree with some of his decisions in managing Ubuntu community and Ubuntu OS itself. But that doesn't mean I have to hate that guy and call him 'Shattelwarth' or 'ttlewurth' or whatever fancy name which will make me think that i'm cool. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] OAOD (wxcam)
On Thursday 29 July 2010 02:27 AM, Dhastha Gheer wrote: Sorry for my mistake Download link is: http://sourceforge.net/projects/wxcam/files/wxcam/1.0.6/wxcam_1.0.6_i386.deb/download I think you missed the point here. Firstly, you're going a good job, but every mail you send has a section at the end that says To install and you give a command that is only relevant to debian based distributions, not for rpm based distributions. So, what Rahul suggested was, instead of saying To install, you could say To install in Ubuntu / Debian or remove that To install section altogether. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] India's $35 Tablet- The Everything Killer
On Thursday 29 July 2010 01:36 PM, Vivek Varghese Cherian wrote: In a tablet form-factor and using an unspecified variant of Linux (that some have said might be Android), the cost should remain low while offering a wide range of functionality. The Sakshat descendant is said to be capable of supporting video conferencing, viewing a wide selection of video and image files, word processing, de/compressing files, printing with CUPS, full Internet browsing with Javascript and Flash, wireless communications, and remote device management. If what the government says is true, then we have a winner. I really couldn't get to see any closer pictures other than Mr. Kapil posing with it - Reminded me of actresses and models posing for mobile phones and digital cameras. The tech specs are not revealed yet - I understand that it is a prototype and still under active development and they don't want to reveal so much information upfront - if that was the case, then why this marketing gig anyway? On the other hand, we also have another 'indian' tablet brimming for release. NotionInk Adam[1] anyone? [1] - http://www.notionink.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Google App Engine (possible OT)
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Magesh S pingmag...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, it does. Through JRuby: http://code.google.com/p/appengine-jruby/ Didn't know about this, will check that out Thanks for the info Well, since gae-java is on JVM obvious /, you can write on any language that compiles to java bytecode. That goes to Scala, Clojure, JRuby, Jython, Kawa(?!) and any other JVM based language. -- Regards, Magesh web: http://geexhq.com twitter: mageshcse ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tip] Easily Convert Code To HTML
2010/7/15 சிவகுமார் மா masivaku...@gmail.com: 2010/7/14 Ashok Gautham thescriptde...@gmail.com On GNU/Emacs, Open a file/type one containing the code M-x htmlfontify-buffer It even saves your theme colors. It did not work. Opened a file and typed M-x htmlfontify-buffer there was a [No Match] remark and nothing happened. Missing something? Well, its obvious that you are missing the el files for htmlfontify It took me 2 min to google to get this: http://rtfm.etla.org/emacs/htmlfontify/ (coincidentally, they've named the site as rtfm) Ma Sivakumar எல்லோரும் எல்லாமும் பெற வேண்டும் http://masivakumar.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tip] Easily Convert Code To HTML
2010/7/15 சிவகுமார் மா masivaku...@gmail.com: 2010/7/15 Balaji Damodaran damodaran.bal...@gmail.com Well, its obvious that you are missing the el files for htmlfontify It took me 2 min to google to get this: http://rtfm.etla.org/emacs/htmlfontify/ (coincidentally, they've named the site as rtfm) Sorry, I also searched in google for htmlfontiy use, and could not get any straight forward answer. I was just trying out and did not probe further. Thanks for the pointer. BTW, vim option works out of box, emacs needs a el file. What does it say? :-) vim vs emacs is a religious war - we already have enough wars, this one we can do without. personally i use vimperator for firefox, emacs bindings for zsh and vim for rails development emacs for learning clojure. So, both are my buddies. Ma Sivakumar எல்லோரும் எல்லாமும் பெற வேண்டும் http://masivakumar.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]Thanks ILUG for making DevCamp Chennai a success
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Balaji, Thanks a lot for giving us a wonderful experience. Nice Talks. Though missed a some sessions, Enjoyed the sessions. The DevCamp pictures are here: http://picasaweb.google.co.in/damodaran.balaji/DevCampChennaiJuly2010 Thanks for Jobin,Shwetank Dixit, and Senthamil Bharathi for making my session more interactive. The organizing team has done a great work. Thanks for the team. Keep up the good work. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My experiences with Linux are here http://goinggnu.wordpress.com For Free and Open Source Jobs http://fossjobs.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [OT]Thanks ILUG for making DevCamp Chennai a success
Hi all, Today Chennai hosted its first ever DevCamp in ThoughtWorks office. We had a good turnout - around 125 external audience and another 30 people within the company which includes me. We had topics related to Amazon Cloud (AWS), Google Cloud (GAE), Google Big Table, HTML5 CSS3 (by Opera developer), Continuous Integration TDD, Text Mining, Design Patterns, Robotics through OpenSource hardware (!), JSONP, Introduction to Scala, Refactoring and code smells, Scaling AWS cloud and some more. Thanks to Shrinivasan T, who took a session on Making money out of OpenSource software (I hope i got the title right) and I met few other members of ILUG-C such as Arulalan, Shiv Deepak. A big hi sorry to other ILUG-C members who came but whom I couldn't meet - Vatsala was one among them I guess. Some of them had to leave for ILUG-C's monthly meet. Hopefully you guys can participate for the whole day for the next DevCamp - which might happen sooner than we expect :) Thanks, Balaji (@openbala) ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] IBM is moving to Firefox as its default browser
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Saturday 03 July 2010 11:26:27 Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Friday 02 July 2010 16:20:43 Balaji Damodaran wrote: It was surprising that no one is flaming IBM yet. They're not so friendly to opensource either pure FUD - IBM has made available a huge amount of code as open source and there are huge resources built and maintained by IBM to support open source. It is not as black and white however. For example, they hold the largest number of software patents in the world and continue to strongly lobby for expanding the scope of patenting in the world. They even argued to the Supreme court in US that software patents benefit free and open source software. nothing is black and white - take yahoo!, they contribute their satellite images freely to openstreetmap, release a lot of the code they write into open source and happily patent a lot of software. There is an old english proverb 'he who lives in a glass house should undress in the dark'. If we apply the principle of only black and white, very few if anyone on this list qualifies to be here. (certainly I do not). But let us be reasonable - there is a huge amount of 'white' in IBM which is thus much higher on the side of the good guys than microsoft. Of course Redhat is almost pure white on the scale. To give credit to IBM, they made eclipse fully open sourced. They fund a lot of Linux and java-based opensource projects. More particularly they funded CouchDB, which was developed by Damien Katz, ex-IBM employee who worked on Lotus Notes team which is a similar document based DB. They have a list of projects to which they claim that they're contributing: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/views/opensource/projects.jsp But, lets not be blatant in embracing IBM as the good guys shall we. As Rahul pointed out, IBM has more patents than any other software company in the world and they do use that patents against open source projects: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2891blogid=14 http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/04/ibm-breaks-taboo-and-betrays-its.html Any guess why they threatened that particular open source project?: Because the project is a *mainframe* emulator. I can argue that IBM going open source is only a tactical business decision to oust Microsoft and Sun (now Oracle) in the enterprise space. -- http://www.zdnet.com/news/open-source-ibms-deadly-weapon/296366 , but it is a no-brainer isn't it. My point is not don't just hate Microsoft, hate IBM too - It is to be diligent in whom we consider as good, and whom we consider as evil for FOSS and always be wary of big corporate companies and their hidden agenda. let people who use fully free software on their mobiles, who do not touch google apps, who only use non-patented hardware flame IBM. Let the rest of us keep our peace. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [OT]The most powerful voices in Open Source
This is an interesting article about the list of most powerful voices in Open Source. http://www.mindtouch.com/blog/2010/03/17/mpv/ The top 10 are: 1.Tim OReilly - Founder of OReilly Media 2. Linus Torvalds - developer, Linux Kernel 3. Chris Messina - Open Source advocate (known for his involvement in helping to create the BarCamp, Spread Firefox, and coworking movements) 4. Jonathan Schwartz - ex-CEO, Sun Microsystems 5. Miguel de Icaza - developer, GNOME and Mono projects 6. Glenn Hilton - CEO of ImageX Media. Mac-using, social media-loving, open source enthusiast 7. Glyn Moody - known for his book 'Rebel Code: Linux and the Open Source Revolution' 8. Matt Asay - populat CNET Blogger 9. Dries Buytaert - original product lead for Drupal 10. Guido van Rossum - author of Python Though a bit controversial since RMS is nowhere in the top 50 list. Maybe because they've used Twitter and Google sites and not identi.ca or maybe genuinely there is no buzz around him in social networks and blogosphere. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] IBM is moving to Firefox as its default browser
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:00 PM, pavithran pavithra...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 July 2010 10:02, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote: IBM is decided to make sure that all the 400K employees are using Firefox as default browser. OMG thats too late :O Were IBM people using IE all these days ? ( pity them ) . No sir. Please read the article. The employees don't just use Windows, they use Mac and Linux as well. Most of them are already using Firefox, its just that IBM has made it explicit for every workstation to have Firefox installed along with some other products such as Lotus /Notes|Sametime|Symphony/ It was surprising that no one is flaming IBM yet. They're not so friendly to opensource either, in fact before Microsoft was IT super power it was IBM and now its Apple. Funny that we get all heated up when we hear Microsoft, but forget that Microsoft is not the only company that is not showing its source. The longstanding commitment of Mozilla to open standards and the quality of the implementation of them in Firefox gives us confidence that this is a solid, modern platform that should be part of IBM’s own internal transformation to significantly greater use of Cloud Computing. Good to hear that :) Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri http://look-pavi.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] hi
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Sri Ram sri@gmail.com wrote: we do not want responses from such people -1 To those who add '+1' and '-1' - can you guys explain in few words about your thoughts as well? -- Regards Sriram B ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FW:Hi
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 7:48 PM, preethi.rajaseka...@gmail.com wrote: Check View Best Ads from http://vba.wilix.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc This looks is a worm, not just a spam. Do not click on it ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Breaking blocked access in my office
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Vivek Rajagopalan vi...@unleashnetworks.com wrote: Pothuraju, Naga Deepak wrote: Hi Team I am trying to overcome the blocked access in my office somehow as I think the security restrictions have gone too far to carry on my daily activities. Have you tried this ? http://duckduckgo.com/?q=india+it+jobsv= That is not a email, IM or entertainment site. So he won't be interested :P and either ways, he'll ask you ways to crack the system to see the site. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Breaking blocked access in my office
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Girish Venkatachalam girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Pothuraju, Naga Deepak naga-deepak.pothur...@capgemini.com wrote: Hi Team I am trying to overcome the blocked access in my office somehow as I think the security restrictions have gone too far to carry on my daily activities. Here is the scenario. I cannot access any email sites, IM sites, entertainment sites from my office. The setup as far as I understood is that all traffic from the local systems are being tunneled through a proxy server. I tried using various methods to access websites IM sites like anonymous proxy servers few other ways. But what I found was that no matter what, I don't seem to be able to access any of the mail/IM sites. Just then I tried Firefox add-on sameplace [xmpp] which was little complicated to set up as it had few dependencies the only thing that works for me now in gtalk. All the other Firefox addons like gtalksidebar, meebo, etc failed. Certainly, they aren’t blocking talk.google.com since any addon trying to connect to gtalk connects to talk.google.com. Few doubts on my mind now are: * Is there a way to direct http traffic over xmpp? * How do I know if they are blocking it via ports? * I would like you guys to guess the rule or setup they have to monitor or block traffic. For all those guys having the same problem, I am currently able to use gmail/rediffmail/yahoomail via http://www.noblewebs.com/postbox/ as mentioned above, gtalk via sameplace firefox addon. This thread interested me just out of curiosity to know if someone had mailed a technical answer to the question asked. I have broken e-mail accounts, reverse engineered the DES cryptosystem and generally played a lot with crypto. I am also very good at physically breaking locks and entering a house without a key. ;) Anyway it calls for ingenuity and resourcefulness and of course purity of intent. If you are sure that you are doing something conscientious and meaningful then just go ahead. ;) So what if they fire you? Find another job. I got fired from every job for no fault of mine. Anyway lest us focus now. (Most likely they won't even know any of this) I have a question on morality issue here. My apologies if this becomes Off Topic, Shrini - delete this if it is not appropriate. As ILUG-C member, should we encourage and answer a question that asks for help to crack a system because the person I cannot access any email sites, IM sites, entertainment sites from my office? Aren't we better than crackers? My personal point of view : we shouldn't do it. Being all hardcore fans of Free Software and complaining about Adobe and Microsoft about their ethics, I believe we can at least try to be ethical in our own way. If you really wanted to help such a query, please reply to the person directly and do NOT use ILUG-C as the medium. * Is there a way to direct http traffic over xmpp? With http-bind they way web IM works? You can tunnel XMPP over HTTP; so ergo you should be able to do the reverse. But I would not suggest that. See below. * How do I know if they are blocking it via ports? Blocking what via ports? Run a security scanner like netcat or nmap or nessus or nikto or hping. Did you attend my talk at IIT in Sep 2007? ( I hope I got the year right). * I would like you guys to guess the rule or setup they have to monitor or block traffic. Rule? What rule? Why should you care about it? You can get around every such rule if you are clever and know the big picture. And of course you should have access to the right tool and have lot of perseverance. Having blabbered so much I will also speak about the big picture of access control and how things actually work and how to break them. Look at tor anonymizers or port forwarding using SSH. In general you need a third party machine somewhere for you to help get on to the Internet without restrictions. Use crypto to avoid getting detected. No tool can look inside cryptographically protected packets; so tunnel traffic using ssh and your sysadmin will be none the wiser. Run your ssh server on the public IP at port 80. And use it to forward all your traffic. Once you setup remote port forwarding you can do anything you want! There is a tor plugin for firefox. To figure out which ports are blocked this command line should suffice. # nmap -sT -p 1000-5000 192.168.107.6 This will scan TCP ports between 1000 to 5000 on the IP given. To find out which machines on your network are up run this: # nmap -P0 192.168.107.0/24 nmap is not the only tool out there. You could also use hping or SING to good effect. Have fun. -Girish ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List:
Re: [Ilugc] Extracting free space out of LVM
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Hrishikesh Murali hrishikeshmural...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Suji Arivazhagan suji87@gmail.comwrote: Now i would like to extract 20GB from the total free space and create a new partition for installing another operating system. Use GParted. Last time I used GParted on Fedora (few months back), it didn't support LVM partitions. As steve said, Fedora has its own tools for LVM management, you should try those. http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ -- Thanks and Regards, Hrishikesh Murali ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:09 PM, praveen chandrahas chandrah...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 2:02 PM, narendra sisodiya naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote: At the same time, I would say, delete all 15% and say Linux OS. +1 Compile the kernel without gcc, debug without gdb and basically, don't use the gnu toolchain. Then call it linux os. I'd say, we need to respect all those who contributed to the gnu project and that can be done by using its name in conjunction with linux. Tell me, What if there is no GNU, No RMS ? No Linux right? The replies given to this state that he was not an active developer or something. Its not just the technical input that matters. Who would have thought of something as radical as the GPL and then who would have spurred the development of so many free software packages? Had the GPL been not there when Linus wrote the kernel, can you imagine what would have happened? I'd say it would have remained as just another student project. -- Regards Praveen Chandrahas Free Software is a matter of freedom, not cost. It is a matter of liberty, not price. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc My 2 paise: I don't mind calling it Linux. 1) Practically, it doesn't make sense to call it GNU/Linux or for that matter GNU/FreeBSD etc. It is awkward. Saying it Linux is easy - thats all people want. 2) People want a Operating System to use, not the ideological baggage around it. If a layman asks why are you calling it GNU/Linux?, you either end up saying because RMS asked me to say so that makes you look less bright or you give a 5 minute instant biography of RMS and his ideologies - that makes you boring (for the layman). Does the layman really care what is meant by kernel and other stuff that makes an OS? I don't think so. 3) RMS/FSF wants due credit for their work. I guess they have that already. Just by forcing people to call it GNU/Linux won't help one bit. I just checked Fedora and openSUSE home pages, they call their distro as a 'Linux-based' operating system. Thats 2 of the top 3 distros. While we are at this topic, I wonder what people will say for Ubuntu. IMO, the world as we know it, is slowly forgetting the word 'Linux' (accept it or not, apart from RMS fanboys, nobody says GNU/Linux) and moving to call it as 'Ubuntu'. Checkout the home page of Ubuntu and search for the word 'linux' - you'll be surprised. -Balaji ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Balaji Damodaran damodaran.bal...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Practically, it doesn't make sense to call it GNU/Linux or for that matter GNU/FreeBSD etc. It is awkward. Saying it Linux is easy - thats all **people want**. Jumping off the roof and killing yourself is easy than facing day to day problems of life :-) It doesn't fit in the context of the discussion at all and I've absolutely no clue how you think that these two are comparable. But seriously - do you really think killing oneself is that easy? apparently I did my market research and found out that it is not. 2) **People want** a Operating System to use, not the ideological baggage around it. **People want** -- It seems like you have done some market research :P well yes. Try convincing a person who tried linux, said it sucks and went back to windows just because it didn't play his/her pirated mp3 songs and avi movies off-the-shelf or because he/she couldn't play their favorite video game, about freedom and RMS and his ideology and why microsoft is evil.or just google for 'linux disadvantages' to come to reality. I find it very hard to convert a person to use linux as his/her host OS. Mind you, they are really good developers. The moment you say that you need to type a command that goes like sudo apt-get install foo - they just frown. They'll eventually get to know the terminal and some may even end up liking linux, but the point to note is that some like to change, some don't. And they DO appreciate linux as their development environment, but it just doesn't fit their choice as a desktop os. That will be a whole different thread all together. linux desktop OS share is a still scanty little 1%. (excluding millions of enterprise linux servers) Shouldn't our focus be on improving the UX of linux and reach out to the masses? Will forcing people to call the OS as GNU/Linux address this problem? I believe we have a bigger problem to solve, Linux is still niche. Meant for those who know code. RMS is god - emacs, FSF, GNU are his legacy. Take a bow, but I don't think his childish behavior is helping at all. I just checked Fedora and openSUSE home pages, they call their distro as a 'Linux-based' operating system. Thats 2 of the top 3 distros. While we are at this topic, I wonder what people will say for Ubuntu. IMO, the world as we know it, is slowly forgetting the word 'Linux' (accept it or not, apart from RMS fanboys, nobody says GNU/Linux) and moving to call it as 'Ubuntu'. Well, If you remove GNU from 'Linux', Eventually everyone will forget the whole reason behind the development of the operating system. And why is it important that they *should* know the history of an OS? Does Microsoft insist that whoever buys windows should know that the first DOS was written by Bill Gates and his reason behind development of OS -- A computer in every home. See, Ubuntu is the most *user friendly* OS, IMO. They don't even mention that their OS is based on Linux in their homepage. Few iterations down the line, the won't even claim that they're a linux distro. Android, Chrome OS are based on Linux kernel (I guess google knew which one is difficult to start from scratch) Does Linus go around shouting foul about Ubuntu, Android, Chrome OS (yet)? I rest my case. -- Arun S.A.G ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]A must watch video - What drive us, with an example case of Linux
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:57 AM, narendra sisodiya naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote: Ogg - http://tinyvid.tv/show/15vqa8mpsogk7 FLV - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fe607vyQ0Q I hope you meant this link in youtube -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc and not a link that gives the review of Rajneeti movie. -- ┌─┐ │ Narendra Sisodiya │ http://narendrasisodiya.com └─┘ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
