Re: [Ilugc] Call for proposals PyDelhi Conference

[satyaakam goswami]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:10 PM, shanmuga sundar 
wrote:

> hai
>  who are eligible to atten this conference friends can you say
>

​this event is for everyone both beginners and advance users .​


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[Ilugc] Call for proposals PyDelhi Conference

[satyaakam goswami]

Hi,

We are happy to announce the opening of call for proposals for Talks in the
PyDelhi Conference happening on March 5th.Rush your proposals before 31st
of January.

https://cfp.pydelhi.org
https://conference.pydelhi.org/

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Re: [Ilugc] Centos to window lan

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> How do I can access Centos machine from Window machine.
>

there are multiple ways to do it

​1.ssh
2.configure Samba
3.configure VNC​


My project url in centos os :  https://192.168.1.25
>
> Could you please help me access this.
>



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Re: [Ilugc] Are Indian FOSS communities closed-source ?

[satyaakam goswami]

Go here http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
And unsubscribe from this  list , all the mails carry this info as footer .

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Re: [Ilugc] Are Indian FOSS communities closed-source ?

[satyaakam goswami]

On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 2:04 AM, Vikas Tara  wrote:

> On 10/07/15 10:25, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:
> >   They do not happen by
> > sprinkling magic pixie dust in air
> Shame that, I really love that magic pixie dust, it's amazing.
>

​i read all the threads and kept my reply for the weekend ;-) since i find
some value in the arguments at the same time do not agree with OP's
sweeping statements about communities at large.

 Sinking feelings and dejections are part of community living .This happens
more when you try to do something and you do not have buy in from
collective on  your ideas  as an individual .The way i deal with it is
"Just do it" i mean if i feel there is something to be done if i can do it
i just do it do not try to take permissions consents etc others will
follow if they like the idea  or the idea will die its own natural death if
people did not like it.

if there are somethings which involves some resources then i go back to the
group and ask and wait for sometime for traction . This is the stage we
find more people joining you and then go ahead and try to do with whatever
resources we have .

I still do understand where the discontent is coming from , i am living
happily in communities after communities for past 23+ years in India .
Today i will be going to two meetups with large numbers
some of them i curate some of them i be just  part of it as spectator and
give support.

Communities have a life and ways of there own ,This is one reason i love it
 as a  collective . I still feel the discontent is coming from somewhere
for the system .i for one  cannot be judging people unless i meet that
person in person  and talk about specifics otherwise i think this thread
has no more value and is never going to end on the mailing list .


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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS

[satyaakam goswami]

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Satya Prakash Prasad <
satyaprakash.pra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes the software would be free but I have some confusion here. How do
> people working in FOSS technology make some earning out of it. I mean I am
> ready to dedicate my full time into it - but I need some fund as I would
> space / resource and hardwares.
>

​Save some from the earnings you are making now like any other business.​



> So where does money related to all this activities / expenses comes from -
> where does the monthly working capital comes in?
>

​you may or may not get upfront Capital like for  other businesses since
its ​service oriented kind of business , so its like this you can write
free software and ask for donations or charge users for supporting your
product .You can write custom software and  charge for the services you
rendered etc.. these are some of the ways people make a living out here .
If it looks like too much of risks the easy path i advice is take a day job
in Foss technologies , the end product may or may not be Foss so it all
depends on what you need and the company can offer.


> Is it just the credibility that the team gets for developing FOSS
> technology - let us pick one example - Python - they have a huge portal /
> resource and their software is free to develop apps - in case I start
> working voluntary (to fix bugs / support) for Python team - what would I
> get in return - this just for the concern that if I leave my job and
> dedicate my work for FOSS development the basic question of survival is
> defending me to do so?
>

​these are too many forks of the same question, there is no straight answer
to it :P ,  you need to hangout a bit longer here and thousands of groups
and mailing lists from around the world . See how things pan out for you ,
btw you also need to start to learn about ​
http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> Hence in case he gives me an option to develop a software - what are
> things I should take care - does the FOSS development is done
> completely free - making a team / space, product and functionality
> research etc.


​When you say completely free what do you mean Free as in Freedom or the
Price too ?​


>  In all what are the things that one needs to do if one is venturing

into new FOSS development software?
>

​you need to be more specific unless  you are bound by some legal agreement
not to reveal the idea or the project feel free to share details.


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Re: [Ilugc] voluntary projects for learning/honing skills

[satyaakam goswami]

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:09 AM, Vikas Tara  wrote:

> On 02/02/15 18:47, Balu manyam wrote:
> > hi folks -- is there a site which has live projects which are useful to
> > society ...on which we can work and contribute 
>

​do check some Opendata projects ​they have all the elements like  activism
, geekism and  contribution to social causes  , suggest joining the
datameet.org for more insights on how people are hacking there way .


> > one good thing with such a thing is we can  contribute to the good of
> > society at the same time learn new IT skills ourselves
>

​some more orgs which come to mind are
http://gwob.org/
http://www.datakind.org/

> thoughts?
> We're always looking for volunteers at www.hamaralinux.org and quite
> happy to share knowledge.


> Check us out and see if you like what we are doing?
>
> http://www.hamaralinux.org/
> https://twitter.com/hamaralinux


​On a tangential note but yeah its all connected ​ between Redhat and
Ubuntu there was a chance to do  business , Centos has that opportunity but
they as a community thought was  not a good idea to pursue . So what if
Hamara can pull it as an ecosystem or platform.

Vik what we have is ample power of Youth and skill what they lack is the
direction , certainly hacking Hamara could be one path  , industry needs
 skilled manpower now . One big opportunity which i emphasize every one is
get skills the jobs will follow. So with Hamara if you can give them both i
think it will create a good talent pool .


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Re: [Ilugc] Gnu/Linux Distro Cd's availability in India

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> Some time i buy from this site : http://vlinux.asia/


​this site is Cash On Delivery  only ​ , i did not want the other person to
pay , so ordered from http://www.zyxware.com/ , thanks everyone for
suggestions .

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Re: [Ilugc] Gnu/Linux Distro Cd's availability in India

[satyaakam goswami]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:22 PM, రహ్మానుద్దీన్ షేక్ 
wrote:

> Check zyxware , http://www.zyxware.com/requestcd


​yes that showed up on top of list while searching the web. The idea of
asking  was  to gauge who all still uses CD's and also may be compile a
list of active and reliable service providers.

thanks
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Re: [Ilugc] Gnu/Linux Distro Cd's availability in India

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> I have many unused os linux disks.
> Please tell which linux os you wanted, I will send you
>

thanks but this is not something for myself.

​
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[Ilugc] Gnu/Linux Distro Cd's availability in India

[satyaakam goswami]

Hi all,
  I have a request for Gnu/Linux Distro cd's from Kanpur in Uttar
Pradesh , first i thought of downloading , burning then courier it . Then i
recall there were people who were doing this already and it will save lots
of time for me . If you know of any such such service providers please
reply.

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Re: [Ilugc] Bharat Operating Systems Solutions | Current usage and state

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> as i said there are folks on this forum who can talk about BOSS , afaik
> you are asking this from a point of view of an academic trying to teach ,
>
​​
ok found  some information from http://www.debutsav.in/ , looks like BOSS
team was here presenting
https://twitter.com/gokulchinnu/status/523376807966285825/photo/1

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Re: [Ilugc] Bharat Operating Systems Solutions | Current usage and state

[satyaakam goswami]

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:35 AM, YOGESHWAR DAN CHARAN <
charanyogesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi there ,
> I recently got to know about Indian version of GNU/Linux BOSS developed
> under Indian government . I have few questions in this regard :
> 1. Where does BOSS stands as with other leading linux distros like Ubuntu ,
> Fedora etc ?
>

​No data in public , there are folks who are on this forum can answer that
better.​

2. How BOSS will benefit India and it's people , by having it's own
> operating system?
> I mean , will BOSS provide any specific advantage in any form which were
> not there already from existing distros.
>

​None i can think or know of .​

3. What all are the areas where BOSS is being used successfully already?
>

​No idea.

as i said there are folks on this forum who can talk about BOSS , afaik you
are asking this from a point of view of an academic trying to teach , i
would recommend let students explore and decide on the distro of there
choice , once you know how to get around one distro and package management
in system , it really does not matter which distro you are using you can
figure out and learn quickly and be productive . I am in  Delhi this and
next week , let me know if you need any help .​

​
​​
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Re: [Ilugc] Need to document the contributions of Free Software pioneers

[satyaakam goswami]

2014-10-09 18:28 GMT+05:30 రహ్మానుద్దీన్ షేక్ :

> Dear all,
>
> Shall we take this up and finish at least Atul's bio by November end, which
> is usually the time we had foss.in.
> What we need is, a crisp and sharp profile, what all contributions as
> developer. projects worked on, initiatives taken on FOSS promotion,
> contributions on the social end.
>

​ i had similar thoughts while writing this http://satyaakam.net/?p=787 , i
prepared a list of 30 + people  and sent a questionnaire to them  too got
only one response :P . So i gave up on the idea . Let me know how i can be
of some help in your effort.

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Re: [Ilugc] Welcome our new co-ordinator Gowtham Raam

[satyaakam goswami]

>
>
> Where do we get more info about him ?
>

here is some info what i could get out of some old mails

Visit My blog:http://pacesettergraam.wordpress.com

cheers
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Re: [Ilugc] Need 50 ideas for a python hackathon

[satyaakam goswami]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Shrinivasan T 
wrote:

> ​​
> We are
> ​​
> ​​
> planning for a python hackathon at DGV arts & science college,
> ​​
> chennai
> ​​
> .
> ​​
>
> ​​
>
> ​​
> The stu
> ​​
> dents learnt python already.
> ​
>
​
i think one day would not be enough ,  do not know if they have covered any
of the following.

1) any version control system
2) setting up Virtualenv and using it .
3) PEP 8 http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ and any other PEP
people feel are important.
4) This book
http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/i-want-2-do-project-tell-me-wat-2-do.pdf
if not already covered.
5) Special emphasis on where to look for projects and how to communicate
while asking for help.


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Re: [Ilugc] Hi all, How do i install and configure RHN Satellite Server?

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> ​
> ​​
>
> ​​
> RHN will be in sync with Satellite
> ​​
> server in a customer datacenter and all
> ​​
> servers inturn connect with Satel
> ​​
> lite.
> ​
>
​
lets save some trouble for OP :-) , here is what you can use
http://spacewalk.redhat.com/ instead.


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Re: [Ilugc] openSUSE 13.1.1 "Edu Li-f-e MATE" edition came about to support schools in Gujarat, India

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> ​
> ​​
> This Li-f-e edition tries to get everything they need in an
> ​​
>
> ​​
> integrated bundle which they can use on a stand-alone PC."
> ​
>
​
Good to see and hear this , is there someone on the this list who can
 somehow validate this on the ground as to how they are doing and if they
need some help on the ground .


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Re: [Ilugc] Accessing Bug Database

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> Well, I do not want the webaccess, i.e, I do not want to browse;
> but the database schema access.
>
> I want to check out a few trends and do some analysis.
>

 is this something like this
http://developer.github.com/v3/search/#issue-search-example you are looking
for .

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Re: [Ilugc] Accessing Bug Database

[satyaakam goswami]

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Venkatraman S  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Was wondering if there any open source projects whose bug database can be
> accessed (i.e, read-only)?
>

yes , pick any of the projects from Github or other public repos there
issues/bugs are readable , also you can check
https://openhatch.org/search/where they list bugs from various open
source projects .

still it would help if you can explain briefly what you want to achieve.

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Re: [Ilugc] OpenDNS vs Google DNS

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> limited.  Could you please help me to understand the difference between
> OpenDNS and GoogleDNS and which one is best?
>
>
in situations like these i use https://code.google.com/p/namebench/ to
benchmark and go by its suggestions.




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[Ilugc] Fwd: [Talk-in] Open Geospatial data and FOSS GIS Training

[satyaakam goswami]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Ravi Kumar 
Date: Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 7:31 PM
Subject: [Talk-in] Open Geospatial data and FOSS GIS Training
To: OpenStreetMap in India 


Dear all,
Researchers / students may choose to attend a completely funded OSGeo
India, FOSS GIS -3- week winter school at IIIT Hyderabad, India.
We would like to request you to please send in Applications/Nominations
(Indian Nationals) of potential participants who can benefit from attending
this winter school using the online Registration form at
http://lsi.iiit.ac.in/winterschool/registration.php
Participants will be selected by a Selection Committee. The last date for
Applications are 29th Dec 2013(sunday)

For more details, including course content, please see
http://lsi.iiit.ac.in/winterschool/
Cheers
Ravi Kumar
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Re: [Ilugc] Recommendations for Javascript charting libraries?

[satyaakam goswami]

> Try http://d3js.org/ They have awesome visualizations.

We found http://nvd3.org/ to be much usable.

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Re: [Ilugc] Recommendations for Javascript charting libraries?

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> Something like highcharts.js but free.
>


checkout http://www.chartjs.org/ we have used to create a WP plugin out of
it http://wordpress.org/plugins/data-visualizer/faq/


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Re: [Ilugc] Need project idea for final yr engineering in image processing

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> One of my friend would like to do project on image processing in open
> source.  Could you please provide your suggestions? With any open source
> project to start with.
>


check out http://opencv.org/


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Re: [Ilugc] open source software equivalent to all Microsoft products.

[satyaakam goswami]

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 6:36 PM,  wrote:

> Can somebody bring out the  list of complete set of proven open source
> software  equivalent  to Microsoft products.
>

If we treat every package as a software which we should the list is long ,
from users perspective we may compare between the two ecosystems but we
cannot do justice to either since the users and applications where these
operating systems are put to use vary , ultimately it comes down to choice
in FOSS world we have many software for doing the same or similar work with
this comes the conundrum of choice.

just to give you an idea of the complexity here is the list of number of
packages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions#Package_management_and_installation

if you  are trying to  look up for  alternatives you can start with
http://www.osalt.com/ , there are many other similar sites can you can do
some digging on web and report back.




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Re: [Ilugc] [ HRM - PHP - OPENSOURCE - FRAMEWORK - CMS ] - Suggest good HRM open source in PHP?

[satyaakam goswami]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Siva prabu  wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> Please suggest good HRM  open source in PHP..
>

what  is HRM ?

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Re: [Ilugc] Linux from Scratch - Free Ebook

[satyaakam goswami]

>
>
> - See more at:
> http://opensourceuniverse.tradepub.com/free/w_linu01/?p=w_linu01#sthash.iYMvOdUm.dpuf
>


here is a better link http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/stable/


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Re: [Ilugc] Looking for Mentors for Training for freshers and job seekers

[satyaakam goswami]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> Answers from the Tenth Planet team for our queries.
>
> 1) The training is free for the participants - IT Jobseekers and
> students. Our programmes are conducted only for unemployed graduates
> and college students mostly from rural background.
>
> 2) The Mentors can volunteer and take part in these programmes and
> contribute their time and share the knowledge to the jobseekers
> community. There is no pay. We can take care of the food and local
> travel arrangements. If we get any sponsors for the programmes then we
> can pay the mentors accordingly.
>
> 3) Tenth Planet Open Source Foundation is a social enterprise which is
> working towards reducing unemployment in the IT segment. For the past
> 5 years we have been conducting many free training programmes to
> freshers on Foundation skills, Methodology skills, Product skills,
> Business skills, Health & Wealth.
>
> http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-features/tp-downtown/committed-to-tackling-unemployment/article2097529.ece
>
> We nurture young talents and support SMEs and NGOs using Open Source.
>
> We are working towards connecting the jobseekers with the Industry
> professionals and Employers through our programmes.
>


Not to undermining anyone's effort , this is an Utopian dream come true ,
now i am seriously interested in this kind of enterprise to run in other
parts of the world , would you share those details as to how you guys do
the balancing act in terms of running the show , making money and doing
social good.

why i am asking is since its not possible to sustain this kind of effort
for such a long time the immediate costs which come to my mind are

1) Electricity.
2) Computers.
3) Internet.
4) Making and running the website.
5) Place.
6) Humans.


cheers
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Re: [Ilugc] Command Line for Mobile

[satyaakam goswami]

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Jacob G Podipara  wrote:

> Dear Knights;
> Recently shopped for a mobile, was looking for a simple card sized mobile
> which is configurable and
> stable. Also stylish and presentable. Came to my mind that if we cold have
> simple command line
> functionality afforded by the likes of bash coupled with some mutt like
> aliases, calendar, maybe
> Pigdin.
>   Then again, maybe we are stuck with flashy Android!! Any comments!
>

ah this one takes me back in time of pagers[1] then PDA's like Agenda[2]
simputer[3] and pianomails[4] , also the latest aakash[5] to join the
league.

one thing all of them have in common was media hype then failures , history
is a good teacher for the people with who are planning to build hardware or
software products it always pays to do some web research before starting
off.

to be frank still i did not understand your question , can you elaborate a
bit ?

1.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pager
2.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_VR3
3.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simputer
4.http://www.hindu.com/businessline/2000/10/30/stories/153039g9.htm
5.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aakash_(tablet)

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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[satyaakam goswami]

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM, A. Mani  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Raman Pandarinathan 
> wrote:
> > 1.Let us use 'on behalf of ILUGC' only if any ONE of the following is
> satisfied
> >
> > a.If the offer for the event came to ILUGC either on the list or to
> > the co-ordinator/members and someone attends the event.
> >
>
> Further the member(s) in question should inform the list well in advance
> and obtain an implicit no objection certificate on the mailing list.
>

what else sign green sheets and get a police clearance , i do not know
what world we are living in or where is it going . this whole thread i see
now is leading nowhere .

the biggest strength we have is we are disorganized and are living in
virtual space . we can say and do what we want . we can move fast and meet
physically in the analog world when required . This whole fifedom will kill
this and lead to destruction of this community/space .



> > b.If we talk about ILUGC in the event or had banner/any other material
> > promoting ILUGC.
> >
> > In all other events it better to post to the list without 'on behalf
> ILUGC'.
> >
>
> But ILUGC may be involved in Free software events subject to clearance
> from the mailing list.
>

i do not care much about this anymore i do what i have to do  with or
without people supporting the cause or not , if the cause  is important
people will join or i will do what i have to do anyway . what are we trying
to create a new BCCI :-) 

i am out of this thread too 




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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[satyaakam goswami]

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Baskar Selvaraj wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> My sincere apologies for posting the FDP/Workshop Event Report mails in
> ILUG-C in the recent times.
>

Do not understand the apology why ?


> As I came to know through Mr.Shrinivasan, the members of the ILUG-C
> community were against the term 'on behalf of ILUG-C' used in my posts.
>

Who are they ? what  contention's  do they have to your actions, the
commercial and non commercial is long lost argument , tell me when we are
talking about sustainable development in every walk of life when you try to
get some mileage out of the name and kind of work you do , i would rather
applaud rather than frown upon.

we as kids are taught to mistrust than to trust someone's actions , unless
there are serious vilolations with proof of specific incidents againts you
i do not think you are causing any harm to the so called ILUC-C community.

Would like to hear from everyone on this list what is your take on this
case ?


> As you all are aware that I have been a longtime mem
> o
> ber of this community
> actively promoting FOSS in academics since 2003.  Apart from any commercial
> activities, I spend much of my time in promoting FOSS in colleges through
> FDP/Workshops.
>

do what you think works , do not get distracted by fence sitters and
people who waste much energy thinking of what could be your motives than
help you with the cause.


>
> Our list has more than 3000 members as of now and we have more members from
> academic who is also watching this list.  These members contact me directly
> requesting for Workshop/FDPs to conduct in their colleges (instead of
> posting them to list). Nearly 80% of my programs which I have done so far
> in colleges are also unpaid and I don't take any advantage of promoting my
> business activity through my programs (all colleges knows this truth very
> well).
>

i would encourage this even if it is done , the only thing to watch for is
keeping  it transparent in terms of money , share whatever you get with the
volunteers who turn up to help you . You build a community who believe in
your vision and then soon you will not need any support from ILUG-C too :-)


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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] M.Sc FOSS Final Semester Project

[satyaakam goswami]

On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 6:33 PM, RK RK  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I think many of you are aware of M.Sc-FOSS degree program from Anna
> University.
>
> I am one of the student and now I am in the final semester (project sem).
>
> My IT background is full of Linux administration and not a programmer. But
> in this semester I need to do a project in any open source technology. I
> have planned to do a project related to Openstack and Cloud computing, but
> I have no specific idea of project
> (don't know what to do).
>
> Please guide me on this from where to start, Any project ideas etc.,
>


typical projects like these which are time bound and dependent on
understanding of your professors and guides . what is the time frame we are
talking about here ?

what skills do you already have ?  to take the plunge in the sense of
understanding the landscape quickly first and then aligning oneself to be
able to fulfill your project requirements as well as contribute back to the
project .

start with
http://devstack.org/
 , i am sure with your admin background you should be able to sail through
the first step of setting it up

start looking around https://ask.openstack.org for asking questions and
answering them or solving them if you can .

join the developers mailing list http://www.openstack.org/community/  ,
there are two channels on Freenode IRC you should be hanging on
#openstack,#openstack-101

write a blog post what you are looking for share it with people you feel
comfortable with in the Openstack community as guide.

you should be starting now and should be comfortable with  in a week with
the above activities in order to get to the real work ahead of you .

ask more here if you do not understand any of this .


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Re: [Ilugc] Looking for Mentors for Training for freshers and job seekers

[satyaakam goswami]

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:52 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> Tenth Planet Open Source Foundation, Chennai http://tposf.org/
> is planning to organize a series of  training/workshops for the
> freshers and jobseekers.
>
> The topics are
> Ruby, Rails, Node.js, backbone, coffeescript, angular js, Python, Django,
> DOJO.
>

Hi,
I could not learn more about the Team behind this initiative ,
 Whomsoever is trying to do it they are missing on many grounds . one of
the main question to them would be is this a business or charity they are
trying to do ?

technology is the easy part there are many other pieces to this puzzle
which i may be of help , would like to have a business talk with the
founders to better understand what they want to achieve ?

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[Ilugc] [Commercial] #OpenDataApps Challenge

[satyaakam goswami]

We would like to announce that due to overwhelming response to the
#OpenDataApps
Challenge , deadline for  registration,
submission and demonstration of shortlisted applications has been extended.


*Here’s the Timeline of the Contest:*

August 31, 2013 (11:59 pm): Registration Close Date & Submission of Concept
Note
September 10, 2013 (11:59 pm): Early Bird Submissions
September 30, 2013 (11:59 pm): Last Date of Application Submission
17th to 19th October, 2013: Demonstration of Shortlisted Applications (Jury
Round)

*Unleash your expertise in app development and help Government serve
citizens better! Create unique and useful Apps across platforms and devices
ranging from Mobile/Tablet, SMS to Voice-based applications using Open
Government Data.*

*You can Win...*
*1st Prize: 1,00,000 INR*
*2nd Prize: 50,000 INR*
*(In 3 Sectors to be decided by the Jury depending on the submissions)*

**Terms & 
Conditions*

More details about the contest are available at
http://data.gov.in/appschallenge.

We hope you will enjoy the challenge!

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Re: [Ilugc] What changes we need in the list?

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> Need your ideas and thoughts to make our list even better, newbie friendly,
> filled with activities.
>

started writing a reply to this mail past two days , but looked to me it
is going to be a rehash of what everyone is/were talking about . since the
concerns and situations faced by this list  are  not unique either  ,
thought a blog post will be more apt thing to do .

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Re: [Ilugc] GNU/Linux Install fest

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> Thanks for the inputs. Just write a initial draft and share here.
> Hope our members will help to improve it.
>

put it in a repo some place , do you remember last we we tried to crowd
source lab guide ?

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Re: [Ilugc] New Website Development

[satyaakam goswami]

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Ambarish Santhanam Gmail <
ambaris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have started a new business and developing a new website for the same
> myself.  Currently I have 2 major issues to work on.
>
> 1.  How to ensure that my site works in all browsers and OS?
>
> 2.  How to make a Pull down Menu.
>
> I thank Girish and the entire group for assisting me to use jQuery in my
> endeavour to develop my companies website.
>

So why don't you consult him ,except this mail i do not see any other
mails to this group from you for what are you trying to thank the group for
?  why do you need us now for  ? , The problem with saying something like
this is public now especially on this mailing list i doubt anyone's true
intent i have seen people going all the way to asking people to acknowledge
the way you are trying to just to get there ego massaged.


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Re: [Ilugc] July 26th is Sysadmin Day

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> I am glad to see this but which business owner appreciates the people
> who fulfill this role?
>
> It is a thankless job :)   Most times you only get to hear the abuses,
> there are no bouquets.
>

yes also he comes with an invisible cloak sorts of or most of the times
they do not exist , if they do ,  i used to enjoy this avatar of it  
http://www.theregister.co.uk/data_centre/bofh/ , its an old one but still
enjoy reading it .

enojoy
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Re: [Ilugc] PDF XL and HTML reporting

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> I would like to get same kind of multiple replies when asking for speakers,
> place for hackathons, call for volunteers for any activities etc.
>

Sure anyday just send us a ticket to chennai :-) , jokes apart  yes we do
all the above where ever we are in any part of the world . My be you can
ask people to do a hangout , webinar to reach out to the people living far
and wide .


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Re: [Ilugc] PDF XL and HTML reporting

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> > Moderators - are any of you checking the emails on this list? Please
> > respond.
> >
> >
>  Yes, moderators. I await your response eagerly.
>
> steve, and Garuav, glad to hear that you enjoy my writings.
> I will shortly be launching a new blog, to discuss issues of technology,
> privacy, etc.
>

+1 to this discussion , yes we have learned to ignore one alien and few
ignorant fan boys , now mods need to take cognizance of the issue on hand
and bring sanity to this list .  I would be happy to do the honors if made
moderator of this list .


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Re: [Ilugc] [fosscomm] Fwd: [Gnu-linux-discussion] GNU/LSX

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
> [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
> [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
>
> > Someone said they were doing this.  Is it really so?
>
> Apparently not: http://sourceforge.net/p/sphinux/code/ci/master/tree/
>
> Your words are very terse, and it would be a lot of time and trouble
> for me to see what is in that directory.  What did you see?  Does it appear
> they are complying with the GNU GPL?
> A free software fund-a-mentaL-isT.
>

Dear Mr Rao ,
Do not try to do this again , you are
creating unnecessary clutter by cross posting something which does not
 belong here . If you do want to share something write few lines about it
what is it about then give pointers to the mailing list the discussion is
happening , people who are interested will participate there.

i still do not get what is the point in posting with links which do not
work too , i presume you did not bother to look into it yourself.


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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Alternates to Adobe Softwares

[satyaakam goswami]

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:39 AM, j...@eukor.com  wrote:

testing if this email id will send a mail again and is misbehaving , i do
not know who is this j...@eukor.com  whomsoever it is listadmins can you
please suspend this account immediately.

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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Alternates to Adobe Softwares

[satyaakam goswami]

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Siva prabu  wrote:

> Hi dear,
>
> Adobe dreamweaver  -> Sublime Text2 awesome with packages
>
> www.sublimetext.com/2
>


How about http://bluegriffon.org/ ?

i still see folks are not adhering to
http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines , which was appended to every mail
sent out :P


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Re: [Ilugc] vanishing text with jQuery

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> Hello Girish,
>
> This is a Linux list, and we are all interested in learning and teaching,
> right?
> I like your lucid style of writing. Yet, I would like you to be a better
> prepared teacher, Guru-ji.
>

people have been trying to convey this message to guruji , he does not
comply , so most of us has put guruji on ignore list , may be your effort
to educate in this matter will bear some fruits :-)


> There really are plenty of technical things wrong with your code.
> Back and forth over this list is probably not the best way to gain, and
> organize reader feedback.
> Here is some feedback from me, which could easily be changed in a
> programming blog.
> For example: why don't you consistently use the "var" keyword?
>
> In India, traffic lights are more loosely followed than in the US.
> Yet, your code should be World Quality, and follow Best Practices, if you
> really want to monetize it.
>
> Free advice full of inaccuracies is like pissing in the wind. You're
> impressing nobody, but yourself.
>

+1 good one , he does not get this also most of others who write blogs on
both technical and non tech topics.



> Come prepared, because I want to really learn about jQuery, and your stuff
> is disorganized, and scattered.
>
> Just my 0.02 BTC
>

its one of the best feedback ever on this list for him hope he mends his
ways . feels no fun sine /me  cannot sit with popcorn and coke to watch
the conversation because i know its not going to happen  :P .


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Re: [Ilugc] It?s hard to monetize free open source software

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> BTW, the name of my company - Songbird Technologies, has nothing
> whatsoever to do with the Songbird music player. We were established in
> 2003 - well before the Songbird player came on the scene.
>

Hi Prem,
   can you repost your reply to the thread properly , looks like
you added a  ? to the subject and it became a new thread , thanks for your
inputs .

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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

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>
> I think the thread has been misunderstood. No one says that we cant make
> money using FOSS. people have said that its hard to monetize.
>

by whom ?

i am sure there are benefits on learning the foss. i myself in this place
> because of FOSS.
>

which place ?

most of the FOSS developers are service providers atleast in india. I wish
> that these developers would one day build FOSS products that will be used
> by worldwide users.
>

they are two completely different ball games . when trying to do
something in there individuals cases.


> In Songbird case, they were trying to monetize the music player which is a
> product (alternative to itunes). Its very rare to see FOSS products that
> makes huge money as far as i know.
>

huge , good and bad are all relative , in fact the whole concept of money
is skewed . Why does one only try to see things with the only one point of
view . What happens to the tons of people who make money using Foss and pay
there Taxes to Govt and help in the economy . Why do we not consider  this
as the one of the ways to get educated when colleges mafias with there
money making schemes are running amok . Why is that someone needs to have
some X amount to be consider successful . I think even the success criteria
in the present society needs to be re looked into . Now we are reaching a
point of being way too OT :-)


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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[satyaakam goswami]

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Mohan Sundaram  wrote:

> One needs to deliver something to make money. If software is free, just
> giving software does not deliver any value and this no business can be
> transacted.


> If free shows is used as a bar and deep knowledge of the software, domain
> and integration is packaged and sold as training, configuration services,
> customisation, integration with other packages, there is able money to be
> made.
>

in both the above cases you are talking about software as a service , the
point most of the youngsters miss is , there is no tangible direct benefit
from the Free software you write in most of the cases ,  There is one very
big intangible benefit which most of us ignore is the skill development in
the process .This is what makes this person special who is valued in top
dollars by thousands of companies across the world . This is a big market
place in its own and will need a different thread to talk about . so to not
to confuse much the first stop if youngsters can cater to this market place
with skills , once they are employed and once there basic needs and
necessities are taken care of then they can think of taking the next step
towards whatever next big or whatever IMHO.


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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[satyaakam goswami]

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Karthikeyan A.K wrote:

> Almost my money came from free software.
>

you are back to your old ways :-) , top posting and one liners , the
generation X needs your golden words as to how you did it or doing it so
that they can get there lessons here , even failures are good and ok to
talk about in this context so that they know how not to screw it.


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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> My feeling is -- money itself is going to be open source.
> I would urge Indian techies to take special interest in these math-based
> currencies.
>

Sure start a new thread to talk about it , may be some of us will share
there views.


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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

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>
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Who says there is no money to be made? I am a living counter-example.
> > >
> >
> > good to know and hear about it , may god Saraswati and Lakshmi endow you
> > with more
> >
> >
>
> Thank you for your kind blessings. The Goddess is mighty.
>
>
>
> > I have been programming with Open Source software since 1995.
> > >
> >
> > were you using any other email id to post on mailing lists then , is
> there
> > a proof of  your claim ?
> >
> >
> I felt a little silly, having to "prove this claim". Yet, I did.
> I used to be the Webmaster of ei.org and a Perl programmer, in 1995.
>
> http://www.hughes.com.au/hypermail/msql-list/199612/0046.html


No there is nothing to feel bad or silly about it , thanks for sharing now
we all know you  better as a person and from where you are coming :-) .
There is one more thing about this market place where people try to bs so
its good to ask when in doubt and cut through bs.

> > All my money has come from participating in the Open Source bazaar.
> > > Salaries well above Rs. 1 crore / year are not unheard of in the Open
> > > Source world,
> >
> >
> > can you cite some examples about people who you know of in this category
> ?
> >
> >
> LOTs of them. Yet, I won't mention any names in order to keep their
> privacy.
>

yes i understand , any public figures who took this path i would be
interested in learning about them.

We are all from India. We made it to the exotic shores of USA, learned to
> program in Perl, on top of Linux, and Apache, and mySQL, etc.
> We all made $200,000+ / year. We were driven home in company limousines,
> served delicious lunches, received massages, champagne etc.
>

agree this is a different class and case to look into .People who get day
jobs because of there free and open source software skills .


> And yet, I hear that those benefits have not quite trickled down to India.
> The world is up for some shaking upping.
> Don't try to emulate success stories of the past. It's pointless.
> Write your own success story.
>

cool , good to know you better as a person , where are you based out of ?


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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[satyaakam goswami]

2013/6/19 balachandar muruganantham 

> "It’s hard to monetize free open source software" - Eric Wittman , Songbird
> http://www.nextbigwhat.com/songbird-shutdown-297/


this whole article is misleading and done in a hurry , like blaming the
west for all the rapes in our country.This one is a clear case of
mismanagement in execution ,on the face of it  there was nothing wrong in
the basic idea and they had customers to back them too. Again there are
sparse details we can just speculate.

in any business there are two situations when partners do to get along,
when they have plenty and/or when they do not have any . This looks like a
case when the goose got killed just because of debt.


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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> > Almost my money came from free software.
> >
> >
> +1
>
> Who says there is no money to be made? I am a living counter-example.
>

good to know and hear about it , may god Saraswati and Lakshmi endow you
with more 

I have been programming with Open Source software since 1995.
>

were you using any other email id to post on mailing lists then , is there
a proof of  your claim ?


> All my money has come from participating in the Open Source bazaar.
> Salaries well above Rs. 1 crore / year are not unheard of in the Open
> Source world,


can you cite some examples about people who you know of in this category ?


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Re: [Ilugc] interesting things you do with jQuery and HTML DOM model

[satyaakam goswami]

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Karthikeyan A.K wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Girish Venkatachalam <
> girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We saw few examples for getting started on web programming.
> >
> > But I am not going to repeat the general structure of code.
> >
> > You have to know how to write a complete html document, the javascript
>
>
> Boss, you must start a blog! A programming blog.
>

op does not respond to these kind of queries/suggestions , neither he
debates or talks on the Gyana vaanis he does , nor he is interested in
making something out of his so called Gyana . IMHO ignoring is the policy
lots of us have adopted in this case :-)

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Re: [Ilugc] Clarify - CVs to be sent to ILUG-C group

[satyaakam goswami]

>
 Hi

> >
> > Am I allowed to forward CV to ILUG-C group to check
> > if there is any opening for  a particular skill set in the companies
> > where members of ILUG-C work?
>
> You can ask if there are job openings or see if any one puts a need for job
> here. This group is best to mentor some one who wants to learn the
> technology, the right way.. You can ask what should I do to get employed as
> a free software developer or so on. A job consultant will answer that
> question eying money, here we just do it because we love tech.
>

+1 , on a later read i found the OP looks like a guy from recruitment
firm.

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Re: [Ilugc] Clarify - CVs to be sent to ILUG-C group

[satyaakam goswami]

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Sreevidya N wrote:

> Hi
>
> Am I allowed to forward CV to ILUG-C group to check
> if there is any opening for  a particular skill set in the companies
> where members of ILUG-C work?
>

Hi,
thanks generally this should be mentioned in the list guidelines here
http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines , but its not been done so . Instead
you check out the listings from jobs.hasgeek.com for jobs and opportunities.

List admins can we add this line also to the list of guidelines

"no file attachments are allowed on this mailing list do not send your CV's
or any other attachment to the list"


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Re: [Ilugc] Which Db i need to choose ?

[satyaakam goswami]

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 7:58 AM, anitha ekambaram <
anithaekambara...@outlook.com> wrote:

> Hai to all
> There are lots of Open source Dbs are available in the Market . which one
> i need to choose .. so confusing to which one to be learn The concept is if
> i learn any Db thorughly it should be  giving employment also in the
> simultaneously side by side .. Lot of DBs like Mongo Db,Maria
> DbMysqlPostgresqlSqliteNosqlWhich one we will need and go thorugh and which
> one is the light weight .. and which one is most demand in the market, and
> why not oracle 11g it does not suit for web development and all ?
>

always learn the concepts , never be satisfied with one ,use what gets the
job done, brand names have nothing to do with it,  including you getting a
job , change your thought process think what did i learn today not what and
why i should be doing any of it to get a job. People are miser in even
there thoughts and are driven by fear ... the moment you loose that you
start learning and all other things fall in place .


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[Ilugc] List admin are you active on the list ?

[satyaakam goswami]

Hi,
I got sriram's mail id from
http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc , wanted to check and ping
him to add the mailing list guidelines link to every post that goes out to
this list .

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[Ilugc] poroposal of adding mailing list guidelines to the end of each mail

[satyaakam goswami]

Hi All,
  We are loosely connected people who form this virtual space
called ILUG-C mailing list , some of us sound like broken record from time
and time again to keep the sanity of certain conversations going and
pointing at people as a group towards mailing list  guidelines, sometimes
they are heard sometimes they are not ,sometimes these are taken on
a personal level ,  sometimes they are argued till death like small kids
who fight saying my chocolate is better than yours. I think in order to
keep sanity of such a diverse group and keep the discussions on topic ,
educating the new members the ways of this list if our joint
group responsibility , I agree as there are more people joining they do not
know that there can be  certain written rules to the existence and basis of
this community. which has been listed here
http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines/

i propose the list maintainers to add this line
http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines/ at the end of every mail that goes
out of this mailing list ,so that people cannot escape with an excuse that
they did not know about it .

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Re: [Ilugc] Does Raspberry PI support ubuntu?

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On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Karthikeyan A.K wrote:

> Hopefully the questioner got an answer now rather than  a argument ;)
>

nobody is asking for your words of wisdom and one liners and flaunting the
list rules on a regular basis , where are argument i do not see any except
now i am making one .

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Re: [Ilugc] Does Raspberry PI support ubuntu?

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On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:32 AM, S Suresh  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Does Raspberry PI  support ubuntu OS?
>

do you have one , and how does it matter ? explain briefly what are you
trying to do or  achieve may be then we can take this conversation forward.

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Re: [Ilugc] Jitsi - Free Software alternate to Skype

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On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Arun Khan  wrote:

> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:01 PM, RK RK  wrote:
> > Dear Arun,
> >
> > 60 MBPS MPLS leased line.
> >
>
> Aah, the joys of high bandwidth.   As I said earlier, on our measly 1
> Mbps line the video quality was unacceptable.  Google video is jerky
> but much better than Elastix.
>

Ah you should try some local service providers i recently shifted to 16Mbps
link , yes it feels good like on steroids ,will give this software a try
recall good old days of ppp connections on pots , its really amazing we
will see all this in our lifetime , hopefully people will land on mars too
:-)

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] PC Configuration for Web Development

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> Or would a basic
> Ubuntu system with Dual Core processor & 2 GB RAM do?
>

this would be more than sufficient to begin with.

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Why Our Country Lacking Enterprenuers Like Mark Zuckerburg ?

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On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Vignesh Nagarajan
wrote:

> there us no proper guidness and support from our home itself i plannef to
> start a online comparison site related to power tools. but from my family
> side there is no support so its in hold
>

you are asking for support and help from people who do not understand what
you want to do , lucky are few who get an ecosystem where there  friends
and family members are supporting in honing there skills and ideas
. Entrepreneurial path is sometimes filled with boredom and loneliness one
has to even fight that more than once it happens people around you will
not  understands what  you want do .

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> On May 15, 2013 10:13 AM, "jaya kumar"  wrote:
>
> > Hai to all
> >
> > Can India produce a Mark Zuckerberg” and the response was marvelous. So i
> > decided to collect it together and make it into a list  some of the
> > questions and problems related to it.
> > An average Indian spends about 30 minutes of his time on the internet
> every
> > day.  On that Facebook and Google tops the list. Young men, college and
> > school going students dominate the social media in urban India. A survey,
> > conducted by Internet and Mobile Association of India (IAMAI) and IMRB,
> > said the young men contribute nearly 35% to the overall urban social
> > networking base. About 34 % are from the top 8 metros, an equal pie is
> > contributed by small towns with a population of up to 5 lakh. Facebook
> > virtually dwarfs all other social networking sites in India, with 97% of
> 5
> > crore of active Internet users accessing the site.
> >
> > Everyone uses Google at least once a day and Google has become a starting
> > place for all information’s.
> >
> > So Why indian enterperneurs not having the   idea of start up sites Like
> > Facebook  or etc .,
> >
> > It means that everybody have their own idea in their domains .. or their
> > fields .
> >
> > But they dont know how to start up the concepts in Web ?
> >
> > I request to Ilugc to Create a blog for awareness to enterprenuers to
> avail
> > of these technologies u make wonders like tat for example
> >  php,mysql,python,ruby on rails ... then the start ups will come more and
> > employability will come more
> >
> > Criticisms are always welcome !  May be this Post is too long ... But its
> > the initiative to grow up More  :-)
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jayakumar
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Why Our Country Lacking Enterprenuers Like Mark Zuckerburg ?

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On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Alok Sachan  wrote:

> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:12 AM, jaya kumar  >wrote:
>
> > Hai to all
> >
> > Can India produce a Mark Zuckerberg”?
>
> Has everybody forgotten Sabir Bhatia?
>

also why everyone so obsessed about web and android , also we forget we are
on a Foss list , i do not know how many people remember Anand babu of
http://www.gluster.org/ , this is exactly what i want to bring forth
through stories , if capital generation in the form of Money is one of the
criteria of being successful so be it .

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Why Our Country Lacking Enterprenuers Like Mark Zuckerburg ?

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On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:12 AM, jaya kumar wrote:

> Hai to all
>
> Can India produce a Mark Zuckerberg” and the response was marvelous.


where was this discussed , afaik i did not see any on this list ?


> So i
> decided to collect it together and make it into a list  some of the
> questions and problems related to it.
> An average Indian spends about 30 minutes of his time on the internet every
> day.  On that Facebook and Google tops the list. Young men, college and
> school going students dominate the social media in urban India. A survey,
> conducted by Internet and Mobile Association of India (IAMAI) and IMRB,
> said the young men contribute nearly 35% to the overall urban social
> networking base. About 34 % are from the top 8 metros, an equal pie is
> contributed by small towns with a population of up to 5 lakh. Facebook
> virtually dwarfs all other social networking sites in India, with 97% of 5
> crore of active Internet users accessing the site.
>
> Everyone uses Google at least once a day and Google has become a starting
> place for all information’s.
>
> So Why indian enterperneurs not having the   idea of start up sites Like
> Facebook  or etc .,
>

why should they or what the stats has to do with an Enterprise ?


> It means that everybody have their own idea in their domains .. or their
> fields .
>

no it means nothing


> But they dont know how to start up the concepts in Web ?
>

how can you say that ? when you look up the stats of the people who are
programming for the same market highest number are coming from India.


> I request to Ilugc to Create a blog for awareness to enterprenuers to avail
> of these technologies u make wonders like tat for example
>  php,mysql,python,ruby on rails ... then the start ups will come more and
> employability will come more
>

this is the only valid point i agree to , i work with these startups and
there is a thriving ecosystem of them who are indeed creating Jobs.


>
> Criticisms are always welcome !  May be this Post is too long ... But its
> the initiative to grow up More  :-)
>

there are different facets you are trying to mix up , your initial
hypothesis itself is skewed , because entrepreneurship cannot be only
limited to making capital and  success  cannot be only measured in how much
wealth one has acquired , what do you think of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Salk as a person was he successful ?

i for one has been the same quest so decided to write some stories to learn
more and inspire
http://satyaakam.net/2013/05/10/who-is-a-foss-contributor-and-how-his-life-should-be-celebrated/
,
would like to hear about any person you know of to be covered may be
introduced to me.

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Why Our Country Lacking Enterprenuers Like Mark Zuckerburg ?

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On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Baskar Selvaraj wrote:

> >
> > Are you willing to put in this kind of effort?
>
> We often see many people in this list suggesting ideas about
> entrepreneurship. But if you ask them if they are ready for putting
> effort in it, then they will become silent.
>
> The people behind UDProducts are young entrepreneurs who have started
> their web business before even completing their engineering education.
> They are self motivated students who never thought of searching jobs.
> If these entrepreneurs could be well encouraged and supported (i.e.
> financially) , then India will have more entrepreneurs than any other
> country.
>
> http://www.udproducts.in/about


lack of capital is  one thing there is no corpus fund to support these kind
of initiatives the other way round is to  give them work so that they not
only become self reliant also know by committing mistakes learn what not to
 do next time. let me pass a lead to them and see how far they have come .
Yes this is one way of financing giving work which pays so that you are
afloat to begin with and survive to fight one more day.


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Re: [Ilugc] Tally ERP 9 in Ubuntu 12.04

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On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Sivakumar Bharadhwaj wrote:

> Thanks, I think I have found out how NOT to Top-Post
>

are you sure you found it , but this reply of yours was again a Top-Post :-)

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Re: [Ilugc] Tally ERP 9 in Ubuntu 12.04

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On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Sivakumar Bharadhwaj wrote:

> Sorry, if it happens to be top-posting.
>

yes it is :-)  just find those dots at the end of the reply and click on it
then you would be able to reply interleaved or bottom.


> A year back, met a Tally Sales person a year back at one of the MNC data
> center.  He said they have a version for Linux / Unix.  Did not follow it
> up then.
>

it used to be they discontinued it sometime back  , no idea of the present
status if they still have it .

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT][COMMERCIAL]Help me make it happen for 'Open Source Contribution Through Micro Finance' on Indiegogo (Abhijit Navale)

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> If you have any other suggestion or offer then I would like to explore.
>

for starting an activity/company/project you need capital and that's
exactly you are soliciting, people put money when the
company/project/activity is already started and working.

when FSF started RMS never asked for money , Linus also started the same
way , why look around when we have stories like Anand Babu , who never
solicited money for his project gluster its was later transformed into
company and people put there money in.

i think people would be more perceptive to the  idea like if you have said
i am starting a cooperative , think the way Amul dairy was started.



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Re: [Ilugc] [OT][COMMERCIAL]Help me make it happen for 'Open Source Contribution Through Micro Finance' on Indiegogo

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>
> I am also open for big investment in return of % share in profit.
>

what makes you think this will work ?

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Future of Maria DB ?

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On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 9:20 AM, jaya kumar wrote:

> Hai to all
>
> The discussion is going to be ..  Maria Db is the replacement for Mysql ?
>

i think you did not research well  there was a merger announce as recent as
23 rd of last month
http://www.skysql.com/news-and-events/press-releases/skysql-merges-with-mariadb-developers

>
> Is it good or bad ?  May i know how many companies migrated from Mysql to
> Maria db?
>

forks tend to carry legacy code and most of the time they will be
compatible , until and unless i have something to work on and lots of time
to kill i would not bother digging the differences just for the sake of
argument.



> Is it Maria Db supports all features of Mysql ?   and of course Maria db is
> an open source one !
>
> What about the storage engines in Maria db  equals to MYISAM,INNODB in
> mysql ?
>
> which one is best db whether Maria Db or Mysql is good for webdevelopment ?
>

there is nothing like best , go with what you are comfortable with and what
your needs are .

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Re: [Ilugc] Call for speakers - May month meet

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On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Karthikeyan A.K wrote:

> Topic: Challenge of putting free software in corporates
>

what about it FUD , resistance , ignorance , education , myths , no
understanding of culture either way 

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Computer science penetration in schools

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>
> Please share your views.
>

run it on http://trisquel.info/ , run sugar on it
http://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-sugar , you have http://www.squeak.org/
 and http://scratch.mit.edu/  , also you can get a long list of them from
http://www.edubuntu.org/ .


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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Computer science penetration in schools

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On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:34 AM, S Suresh  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I felt, like our school students are not utilizing the computer for their
> skill growth/opportunities.
>
> In our olden days we don't have such facilities are penetration. But today
> the internet/computer penetration is high, in schools also it is there. But
> still it can improve lot.
>
> I am collecting the list of applications which can be used for students
> (probably 5th Std onwards).
>
> 1) Basic computer training
>  how to use, OS, internet ,etc
> 2) Documentation & Presentation applications
> Application : Ms- office / LibreOffice
> 3)Drawing applications  (helps to improve their drawing & desinging skills)
> 4) Multimedia applications
> 5) Games ( Mind, brain games)
> 6) Maths & Science oriented applications
> 
> 7)Contributing in Internet applications
> - contributing in wikipedia (students will be intersted on this)
> - contributing in maths/science  - discussions/forums etc.
>

there are two parts to it managing the school itself with Foss and Learning
for using Foss which i think you are trying to cover

in the first category  we have http://www.projectfedena.org/ , Koha, Moodle
and many more

in the second one i would go with something like http://www.nand2tetris.org/

apart from the tangible cost benefit the intangible benefits we would get
are social skills,communications,  the responsibility of maintaining school
network should be owned by them.

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Re: [Ilugc] Center for Tamil Software

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>
> Will RTI work? or do we need any case to be filed?
>

 just send a mail asking for the same . if it does not then you can think
of the other course of action i see this being worked out of the Anna
University , so may be NRCFOSS folks know them already its matter of
educating them if they are not doing it.

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Which Linux is Best ?

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>
> why there are so many linux  vendors, why all not even following single
> linux vendors ?
>
> Criticisms & Shoutings are welcome :)
>

why there is sword and a needle , why when you have a hammer everything
looks like a nail , why everyone should go to office , why should you work
, why you should get educated , why god created us :-)
well its all the same the purpose of everyone is different in the same way
there is someone who felt the necessity of distributions to solve certain
problem .

if you do not like any one of them you are free to create one . More choice
its better for the community , the control of the power will be distributed
will thwart monopoly .

as a beginner play with as many as you can and try to find the major
differences once you cross that hump you will be able to appreciate the
ecosystem more . Ultimately people do settle with some Distro after some
time so will you too.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Hotel Management System

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>
> He also has had a bad experience in vendor lock-in. He wants a
> client-server based model, that'll take care of billing, employee salaries
> and stock taking. On googling, I found out that there are many Hotel
> Booking Software that are available. But I couldn't find any software that
> would fit his needs. So please let me know if there are any FOSS software
> that would fill this need.
>

can you give a list of what you found ? , one approach could be find the
one closest to his requirement and work with the community to satisfy the
customer needs , or if you think that is too much of re engineering start
one from scratch . there are pros and cons and both the approaches .

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Re: [Ilugc] Does Open Source really matter for end user adoption and satisfaction?

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>
> I believe when we deliver software with superior quality, beauty and
> ease of use, it gives user incentives to try out/switch softwares and
> we may not have to evangelize our softwares.
>

there are different aspects in  what you said ,

1) market forces : market will decide on what will survive free or
proprietory
2) development methodology : open source the emphasis is  more on the
development methodology and packaging, Freedom is not emphasised much and
the advocates try to avoid the term. since the whole point of starting of
this was to not to confuse the word free with free beer.
3) philosphy : free software is a movement social/political one where the
free as in freedom is important.

most of what you hear the noise and fanaticism is about the third where
people needed to be educated .

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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source: A Security Imperative!

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On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <
sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:28 AM, satyaakam goswami 
> wrote:
> > there was a mention of one such operating system
> >
> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-10-09/software-services/28252646_1_drdo-saraswat-defence-research
> > way
> > back in 2010 .
>
>
> Ah! Thank you for that link. ""We have to protect it (data)," Saraswat
> said, adding, "Only way to protect it is to have a home-grown system,
> the complete architecture...source code is with you and then nobody
> knows what's that." He said DRDO is putting in place a dedicated team
> of 50 software professionals in the Bangalore and Delhi software
> development centres to accomplish the task."
>


heeeh we have the technology to make an OS with different finger prints
with every times it boots , we can make every desktop unique , we have
people who can make this happen, but why should we be doing it .


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ps : by we i mean community in general , also this does not make us any
less patriotic in anyway , please do not try to tow the patriotic line :-)
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Re: [Ilugc] [LUG@IITD:16947] [X-Post]Re: M.Sc. CS-FOSS online distance education programme

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> [4]http://msconline.au-kbc.org.in/login/joinus/joinus.html


@parin appreciate your enthusiasm and love Do not cross post and add more
mailing list as you go , its all about unlearning , learning then
unlearning again .

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Re: [Ilugc] Need of Ideas for completing project based on Linux

[satyaakam goswami]

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Ramesh Kumar wrote:

> Hey Friends,
>
> I’m about to complete my final year project based on Linux.


This sounds like you have already completed or a last minute effort for
help from this group , if you have already some work where is the code ?


> In that I am
> trying to initialize communication between two systems on the network.
>
> To begin this process, one needs to do encryption and decryption algorithm
> using the Shell script.
>
> It’d be highly grateful on your part if you kindly help me by giving ideas.
>

have you heard of ssh ?

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Re: [Ilugc] Software from Kenneth Gonsalves

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> Apart from the software development work, considerable work needs to go
> into getting content and keeping it current. All software that needs to be
> developed should be developed as open source and so yes, something like a
> hackathon by FOSS enthusiasts would definitely help.
>

why when we have a platform like data.gov.in , also the software is
available https://github.com/opengovplatform/opengovplatform-beta, can you
repost your mail on to http://datameet.org/discussions/ , we can talk more
over there , there are people from govt also on that list.


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[Ilugc] Fwd: [PRC] Call for Collaborators | Future Tools. Interactivos?'13 workshop on Libre Graphics

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-- Forwarded message --
From: Medialab-Prado Comunicación 
Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:19 PM
Subject: [PRC] Call for Collaborators | Future Tools. Interactivos?'13
workshop on Libre Graphics
To: PRC 


**


We would like to inform you about this new call for collaborators to
participate in the development of prototypes of open source tools for
graphic design in the context of an international workshop.

Feel free to spread the word.

Thanks for your support!


Call for Collaborators. Interactivos?'13 Tools for a Read-Write World Open
call to collaborate in the project development workshop Interactivos?'13:
Tools for a Read-Write World (April 15 - 27, 2013 in Madrid, Spain).
Collaborators will participate in the production of selected projects,
aimed at the creation of tools to design, edit, draw and write together.
This edition focuses on (re)inventing a Libre Graphics workflow that
supports collaboration and exchange

Medialab-Prado offers free lodging to collaborators in a Youth Hostel
during the workshop (limited seating).

This call is part of the Libre Graphics Research Unit project and is
preceeded by the international event Libre Graphics Meeting (April 10 - 13,
2013). Collaborators can also take part in the meeting. Registration is
required.

Advisors: Libre Graphics Magazine editorial team (ginger coons, Ana
Carvalho and Ricardo Lafuente); Comunes Collective - KUNE collaborative
software (Vicente Ruiz Jurado, Samer Hassan) and Jennifer Dopazo. Curated
by Femke Snelting (LGRU, Constant). Organizer: Medialab-Prado (Madrid City
Council).

Deadline: April 9, 2013. Free registration.

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Re: [Ilugc] Software from Kenneth Gonsalves

[satyaakam goswami]

>
>
> > if it's not here https://bitbucket.org/lawgon/ , i doubt  it to be
> there.
>
> Satya, yes, that is a useful link.
>

also let me know what you are working on ,  we are planning for a Hackathon
on data.gov.in datasets , we can suggest this as an idea to  be worked on .

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Re: [Ilugc] Software from Kenneth Gonsalves

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> > "I did start a project for an address database for India. That is
> village-
> > taluk-district-town-city-state information that all can use - the
> software
> > is practically ready, but some how I forgot about it. Maybe you could be
> > willing to help out in this?"
> >
> > Would any of you have access to this software?
> >
>
> I am not sure whether he got it(i.e, derived) from OpenStreetMap..taking a
> wild guess.
>

if it's not here https://bitbucket.org/lawgon/ , i doubt  it to be there.


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Re: [Ilugc] test driving fossacademy.org

[satyaakam goswami]

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <
sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:15 AM, satyaakam goswami 
> wrote:
> > yes i did put up a small course on the front page,
>
> My apologies, I didn't realize at first that
> <http://fossacademy.org/en/courses/4/web-is-my-school/> is a course !
>

its my bad too ,tried uploading an image of www from
http://search.creativecommons.org/ , i could not there is some error  we
are still looking into it, that way the courses will stand out.already
people are asking me they do not see the course after the write about it ,
the way it works is first it is in  draft mode then you need to publish it
to come on the front page.


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Re: [Ilugc] test driving fossacademy.org

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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <
sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:14 AM, satyaakam goswami 
> wrote:
> > ok looks like its pretty much it , after going in loops from Khan Academy
> > code to Canvas then settling down with p2pu.org code , this fork is
> still
> > buggy i want people to pound it , especially people who are interested in
> > teaching on mailing lists :-)
>
> Two questions - [1] Would it be possible for you to put up a
> sample/example course ? And, [2] When using links similar to
> <http://fossacademy.org/zh-CN/> I notice that a specific small subset
> of terms are translated, while the rest are in English - is that
> something by design or, is it something that will evolve ?
>

yes i did put up a small course on the front page, about  localization is
something i have not thought about , yes you would see lots of dead links
etc , which will be eventually be cleaned up , but the code does have
support for localization , would love to hear more on that front and
someone to own it too.


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[Ilugc] test driving fossacademy.org

[satyaakam goswami]

ok looks like its pretty much it , after going in loops from Khan Academy
code to Canvas then settling down with p2pu.org code , this fork is still
buggy i want people to pound it , especially people who are interested in
teaching on mailing lists :-)


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ps: still i do not know what the anecdotal experts or other say about it ,
i am pretty sure its  work in progress brickbats and bouquets welcome
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Re: [Ilugc] OpenStack Beginner’s Guide V3.0 for Essex on Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin)

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> > What do you mean by beyond ? ,  are you talking about the other aas's
> > listed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing
> >
>
> I mean building a PaaS (openshift / cloudfoundry.org) over IaaS (e.g.
> openstack).
>

ah interesting and should be possible IaaS provides all the components and
we should be having a PasS running over it . personally i would not  want
to get into this business  as initial capital requirements would be  high .
Technologically would hack if someone puts in the money.

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Re: [Ilugc] OpenStack Beginner’s Guide V3.0 for Essex on Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin)

[satyaakam goswami]

> Has anyone gone beyond  IaaS (e.g. openstack) to a PaaS (e.g.
> openshift or cloudfoundry)?
>


What do you mean by beyond ? ,  are you talking about the other aas's
listed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing

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Re: [Ilugc] hello

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>
> the table is having  fileds -date, pump to brg temperature, bottom brg
> temperature, vibration level and so on
> through a html form iam  filling these datas daily
> each day values is getting stored as a row.
> when  a query is being given with select statement  between to dates result
> is coming in rows
> my doubt is whether the table can be displayed vertically ie decription in
> first column  and results for firstdate in second column and so on  so that
> for comparision it is easy between dates
> i prayed  GOOGLE  GOD  no result
>  hope i have explained my problem
> i will be happy if somebody is helping me
> thanks in advance
>


to begin with have proper subject lines in your mails

right now it is displayed like this

Date  |Pump to brg | temp bottom brg |  temp |  vibration level

using a SQL statement you can create r view read more from here
http://www.w3schools.com/sql/default.asp and figure out the statement.

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Re: [Ilugc] hello

[satyaakam goswami]

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Girish Venkatachalam <
girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In general I like nothing about Google except search ha ha ;)
>

duckduckgo is much better try searching "coach sharing" om Google as well
as DDG.

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Re: [Ilugc] hello

[satyaakam goswami]

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Girish Venkatachalam <
girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Heck this new Gmail reply doe snot allow me to quote with >.
>

i liked the way it pops out when you compose , yes it is painful to bottom
post the new intreface

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Re: [Ilugc] hello

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> These qualification is absolutely must to ask question. And you must have
> never see color blue after you have asked a question because we consider it
> offensive as it was the default color of microsoft desktop for a long time.
>

heeeh do not be a scarecrow to newbies :-)

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Re: [Ilugc] hello

[satyaakam goswami]

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Priya  wrote:

> dear sir
>i request you to kindly sent  the procedures for asking question
> and doubt
>

ask the same way  you posted this message take some time to read
http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines/ and follow the guidelines, you
should be in good shape.

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] IN based payment gateways

[satyaakam goswami]

> Preference is to go with an IN based vendor.
>

No idea about so many details , but two of  start ups i know of in my
circle use https://www.zaakpay.com/ , can connect you to people who are
using there service for feedback .

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Re: [Ilugc] A brief look at OpenBSD pf firewall

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> @ Girish - great ...  but I suggest that you put such articles in a blog
> (there are many free sites) and give us a link to them.   IMO, that would
> be more beneficial to the FOSS world.
>
> Additionally, you will get more global exposure and also feedback from all
> corners of the world.
>

i hit on this link http://www.linuxjournal.com/user/801542 , if he is the
same person then he knows what and how to do it , so no point in giving
advice to someone who knows already :-)

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Re: [Ilugc] Is it possible for 15000 student can attend online quiz at the same time?

[satyaakam goswami]

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Gaurav Paliwal  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>  I have a moodle website, running on apache2 server. 15000 student
> > going to participate quiz in moodle at the same time. Can apache2
> > serve 15000 requests?. what are the ways available?
>
> If feasible it is better to switch from moodle (if you do not require other
> functionality of moodle except quiz) and create a custom tool, may be
> something around node.js (with nginx as webserver as suggested by others)
> or anything that scale well even with less resources.
>

certainly there are many people on this list can be of help but the
messages are so cryptic as though trying to hide some details and still get
some free help , anyway i have looked around Khanacademy code last year and
now Course builder specifically not to land into these kind of
scaling/maintenance issues , but the flip side is we have to pay Google for
there services and getting ourselves locked in there Environment . I am
also looking at p2pu.org code base as an alternative .

one idea is if the work is of not for profit nature  then Google can give
certain credits.

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