Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 12:11 +0530, senthilraja P wrote: > > have you documented this anywhere? > > > > NOT Yet.. i did it as a personal initiative.. and i am sharing it > with > here.. please document somewhere - these experiences are valuable -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 16:40 +0530, senthilraja P wrote: > > Again, its my theoritical proposition, and it may or may not work > > out.. at > > my personal capacity, i have handled around 5 students so far in this > > method.. > > > > > > have you documented this anywhere? > NOT Yet.. i did it as a personal initiative.. and i am sharing it with here.. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 16:40 +0530, senthilraja P wrote: > Again, its my theoritical proposition, and it may or may not work > out.. at > my personal capacity, i have handled around 5 students so far in this > method.. > > have you documented this anywhere? -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
> > > This has to be tacked right from schooling.. again, +1 & +2 has been a > jail > > for most students, with no time for learning.. > > > > I like this idea. If you ask students like me, the common response would be > "if only, we had been exposed to this domain a little earlier". > > +1 and +2 are a jail for students because in this period the students > overburden themselves with JEE and PMT preparations. Although only a few of > them take the track they choose. Most do not make it upto the institution > of > their dream and most of those who reach there find it not to be a place for > them. eg We have IITians becoming writers today and we have AMITIANS > bitching about their college. > > What attracts students and their parents towards IIT and PMT are high > paying > jobs in America. If there is a way to lead a financially sound life then > why > not introduce it before the students end up wasting 6 years of their life > (2 > years in school 4 years in B.Tech) ? > > +1.. i agree fully.. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
> > > The big question is who are the 'WE' you are mentioning? And how many > physical volunteers we have?. We get few opportunites to do sessions, but > even for that ask Shrini how he struggles to get volunteers. > > By WE, i meant those who want to do something.. before we look for volunteers, i find that we dont have any strategic plan or vision on what we are going to do.. In my humble opinion, conducting one day workshops, would only give a very basic level of introduction to the students.. but if they are to develop their skill set, we should have a comprehensive plan.. We need not volunteer for everything.. but if we could plan things ahead, we can establish a link b/w students and mentors where we can use remote tools to guide them from where we are.. Again, its my theoritical proposition, and it may or may not work out.. at my personal capacity, i have handled around 5 students so far in this method.. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
@Forum Just came across this thread and it has been an interesting read. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:39 AM, senthilraja P wrote: > Then why should NOT we target the school students? I have been seeing many > people after completing +2, going for degree because they dont know > anything > else.. also those who complete B.Sc, pursue MCA just because they dont get > any job or dont know what to do.. Agree !!! > This has to be tacked right from schooling.. again, +1 & +2 has been a jail > for most students, with no time for learning.. > I like this idea. If you ask students like me, the common response would be "if only, we had been exposed to this domain a little earlier". +1 and +2 are a jail for students because in this period the students overburden themselves with JEE and PMT preparations. Although only a few of them take the track they choose. Most do not make it upto the institution of their dream and most of those who reach there find it not to be a place for them. eg We have IITians becoming writers today and we have AMITIANS bitching about their college. What attracts students and their parents towards IIT and PMT are high paying jobs in America. If there is a way to lead a financially sound life then why not introduce it before the students end up wasting 6 years of their life (2 years in school 4 years in B.Tech) ? -- Anuvrat Parashar __ | | |link to my blog, *μ*blog or social networks| | http://about.me/anuvrat.parashar | |__| ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 11:00 +0530, Raman.P wrote: > > This has to be tacked right from schooling.. again, > > +1 & +2 has been a jail > > for most students, with no time for learning.. > > The big question is who are the 'WE' you are mentioning? And how many > physical volunteers we have?. We get few opportunites to do sessions, > but even for that ask Shrini how he struggles to get volunteers. WE = (not me) -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
--- On Wed, 6/4/11, senthilraja P wrote: > Then why should NOT we target the school students? I have > been seeing many > people after completing +2, going for degree because they > dont know anything > else.. also those who complete B.Sc, pursue MCA just > because they dont get > any job or dont know what to do.. > > This has to be tacked right from schooling.. again, > +1 & +2 has been a jail > for most students, with no time for learning.. The big question is who are the 'WE' you are mentioning? And how many physical volunteers we have?. We get few opportunites to do sessions, but even for that ask Shrini how he struggles to get volunteers. Raman.P blog:http://ramanchennai.wordpress.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:11 AM, satyaakam goswami wrote: > > > > Is IT graduation really necessary to take up Open Source Jobs? > > > > No > Then why should NOT we target the school students? I have been seeing many people after completing +2, going for degree because they dont know anything else.. also those who complete B.Sc, pursue MCA just because they dont get any job or dont know what to do.. This has to be tacked right from schooling.. again, +1 & +2 has been a jail for most students, with no time for learning.. > > > Any thoughts? > > > > students lack attitude for learning and do not have patience the ones who > have i have seen benefit in long run i single them out before i start > working with them , since my time and resources are limited too . > > Is it possible to institutionalise this initiative? Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
> > Is IT graduation really necessary to take up Open Source Jobs? > No > Today, so many Engineering Graduates are passing out of college, left in > the > dark, without knowing what to do. We need to guide them about these > freelancing options, and to update their required skillset. I dont know if > such self-enterpreneurship guidance is given in FOSS workshops conducted in > colleges. If NOT, we should include that, which will give confidence to > the > students.. > i do this explicitly, again this is a very personal thing no matter how well you guide ultimately it is the person who has to walk the path. i have seen folks taking from few months to years to get that confidence of "yes i can do it" , more than confidence i think it has to do more with the belief system. unlearn learn unlearn curves. > Any thoughts? > students lack attitude for learning and do not have patience the ones who have i have seen benefit in long run i single them out before i start working with them , since my time and resources are limited too . -Satya fossevents.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Chandrashekar Babu wrote: > Hi, > > > Can someone give a few *examples* of *how FOSS could be used > > to earn a living* - in addition to setting up computer labs & > > developing applications using FOSS. > > FOSS Training, Consulting and Deployment are good > money-spinners to start off with - in my opinion. I've > been earning and making a living out of them for the last > 8 years (after I quit my last job sometime in 2002). > Excellent.. i too heard from my friend that many take up freelancing in just PHP itself and earning more than what they do in Office.. > Unless you are an idealist saint like RMS, you'll need money, > and to earn money - you need a decent job first, and to > get a decent job, you need a nice "IT" graduation tag to > begin with - this has been the easiest mantra since the > mid '90s. > Is IT graduation really necessary to take up Open Source Jobs? Today, so many Engineering Graduates are passing out of college, left in the dark, without knowing what to do. We need to guide them about these freelancing options, and to update their required skillset. I dont know if such self-enterpreneurship guidance is given in FOSS workshops conducted in colleges. If NOT, we should include that, which will give confidence to the students.. Any thoughts? Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Baskar Selvaraj wrote: > There are many others like me in this list too. All others >> like me - please raise your hands :-D This is not a recent phenomenon in my case. I started consulting for corporates in 1996/97 moving their infrastructure to open source replacing M$. I did that for 7 long years and fairly successfully. I know a few ILUGC members belong to the 80s era and have dabbled with FOSS for earning a living for quite some time. -- Mohan Sundaram ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On 03/22/2011 03:58 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > I've already linked to, and quoted the relevant source. The source doesn't show any written agreement. > This is what you initially tried to refute: > > * Ghostscript had a deal with FSF to make the >latest-but-one version GPL, but they sold the latest >version with a commercial license. > > I could keep chasing you around as you continue making new > assertions, but this has gone on long enough. No new claims were made. I merely refused yours. You have failed to address my point which is that Aladdin could not have transferred copyright to FSF and practised dual licensing at the same time. I rest my case. Rahul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 15:59 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 15:38, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 15:28 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: > >> Now, unless you have something to add based on facts you are aware > of, > >> you are just trolling. Please don't do that, it just wastes > >> everybody's time. > > > > this is uncalled for. He does not troll. > > > I disagree. maybe you know better ;-) -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 15:38, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 15:28 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: >> Now, unless you have something to add based on facts you are aware of, >> you are just trolling. Please don't do that, it just wastes >> everybody's time. > > this is uncalled for. He does not troll. > I disagree. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 15:55, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/22/2011 03:28 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: >> In that >> case you were only unaware of the deal, which you post facto decided >> to call "an informal agreement", despite it being characterized as a >> written promise. > > I don't see it characterized as a written promise. If you are aware of > a written promise, then do point me to it. Otherwise, I have no reason > to believe that. > I've already linked to, and quoted the relevant source. This is what you initially tried to refute: * Ghostscript had a deal with FSF to make the latest-but-one version GPL, but they sold the latest version with a commercial license. I could keep chasing you around as you continue making new assertions, but this has gone on long enough. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On 03/22/2011 03:28 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > You can't be "aware" of a negative, unless you can prove it. I don't need to be aware of a negative. I merely need to see evidence of a positive to believe something. > In that > case you were only unaware of the deal, which you post facto decided > to call "an informal agreement", despite it being characterized as a > written promise. I don't see it characterized as a written promise. If you are aware of a written promise, then do point me to it. Otherwise, I have no reason to believe that. > Again, do you have any evidence to back up your belief? Or should we > just take it at face value? Nope. See below. > Looking at the releases in > http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/ghost/gnu/ ... version 2.3 was > "Copyright (C) 1988 Richard M. Stallman", version 4.03 was "Copyright > (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc." In 2004, Ghostscript > left the GNU project and changed it's name from GNU Ghostscript to GPL > Ghostscript. Yes. This is not a coincidence. Aladdin started practising dual licensing at this point. FYI, a joint copyright is not the same as copyright transfer. > The rest of your of your statements are non-sequiturs to what I said. > True, but irrelevant to the points you were replying to. It is very much relevant to the business model., That is the primary point you are missing. If Aladdin did transfer copyright to FSF, how can it license the code under a different license? The basis of my argument is that if a entity is practising dual licensing as a business model, they must either have sole copyright of the entire codebase or any third party contributions must be under a permissive license. If Aladdin transferred copyright to FSF, they simply would have no legal right to license the code-base under any other license. The mere fact that they did is proof that no copyright transfer happened and you are wrong. As simple as that. Rahul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 15:28 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: > Now, unless you have something to add based on facts you are aware of, > you are just trolling. Please don't do that, it just wastes > everybody's time. this is uncalled for. He does not troll. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 15:13, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/22/2011 02:27 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: >> You didn't ask for citations or evidence, you asserted that the >> opposite was true. Your ambiguous language and tone made it look like >> you knew what you were talking about. > > Yes, I was aware that there wasn't any deal (asking for citation for > this isn't useful because noone can prove a negative). > You can't be "aware" of a negative, unless you can prove it. In that case you were only unaware of the deal, which you post facto decided to call "an informal agreement", despite it being characterized as a written promise. > My objection to your understanding is that I don't believe that there > was any copyright transfer to FSF. Aladdin held the copyright and > licensed it under GPL and various other licenses but never transferred > copyright which is the entire basis of their business model. It is > possible to practise dual licensing without copyright transfer but only > if the contributed portions are permissively licensed which was not the > case for Ghostscript. > Again, do you have any evidence to back up your belief? Or should we just take it at face value? Looking at the releases in http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/ghost/gnu/ ... version 2.3 was "Copyright (C) 1988 Richard M. Stallman", version 4.03 was "Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc." In 2004, Ghostscript left the GNU project and changed it's name from GNU Ghostscript to GPL Ghostscript. The rest of your of your statements are non-sequiturs to what I said. True, but irrelevant to the points you were replying to. Now, unless you have something to add based on facts you are aware of, you are just trolling. Please don't do that, it just wastes everybody's time. Roshan Mathews -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On 03/22/2011 02:27 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > > You didn't ask for citations or evidence, you asserted that the > opposite was true. Your ambiguous language and tone made it look like > you knew what you were talking about. Yes, I was aware that there wasn't any deal (asking for citation for this isn't useful because noone can prove a negative) more importantly, I think there is a confusion over copyright and copyright licensing. See below. > So, a promise made to someone in writing is not a deal, but an > informal arrangement? Is that your objection to what I originally > wrote? Should I have said "Peter Deutsch, the creator of Ghostscript > had an informal arrangement (in writing) with RMS to release it under > the GPL (and transfer copyrights to the FSF), but used to release the > latest version under a different license"? My objection to your understanding is that I don't believe that there was any copyright transfer to FSF. Aladdin held the copyright and licensed it under GPL and various other licenses but never transferred copyright which is the entire basis of their business model. It is possible to practise dual licensing without copyright transfer but only if the contributed portions are permissively licensed which was not the case for Ghostscript. Rahul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 13:57, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/22/2011 01:19 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 13:14, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> Aladdin, who were the sole copyright holders of Ghostscript invented the >>> dual licensing model. You claimed that Aladdin had a deal with FSF. I >>> don't see any evidence of that. >>> >> You didn't see any evidence to the contrary either. > > If you provide the claim, I am not going to look for evidence to the > contrary. That wouldn't make sense. > You didn't ask for citations or evidence, you asserted that the opposite was true. Your ambiguous language and tone made it look like you knew what you were talking about. >> Quoting from http://devlinux.org/deutsch-interview.html#sec6 >> >> "[...] I promised Stallman in writing that all future versions of >> Ghostscript >> would be released with the GPL." > > Is this what you are referring to as a deal with FSF? This is merely a > informal arrangement with RMS at best. If you are a copyright holder, > how you license your software is your sole discretion. > So, a promise made to someone in writing is not a deal, but an informal arrangement? Is that your objection to what I originally wrote? Should I have said "Peter Deutsch, the creator of Ghostscript had an informal arrangement (in writing) with RMS to release it under the GPL (and transfer copyrights to the FSF), but used to release the latest version under a different license"? -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On 03/22/2011 01:19 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 13:14, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Aladdin, who were the sole copyright holders of Ghostscript invented the >> dual licensing model. You claimed that Aladdin had a deal with FSF. I >> don't see any evidence of that. >> > You didn't see any evidence to the contrary either. If you provide the claim, I am not going to look for evidence to the contrary. That wouldn't make sense. > Quoting from http://devlinux.org/deutsch-interview.html#sec6 > > "[...] I promised Stallman in writing that all future versions of > Ghostscript > would be released with the GPL." Is this what you are referring to as a deal with FSF? This is merely a informal arrangement with RMS at best.If you are a copyright holder, how you license your software is your sole discretion. Rahul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 13:14, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Aladdin, who were the sole copyright holders of Ghostscript invented the > dual licensing model. You claimed that Aladdin had a deal with FSF. I > don't see any evidence of that. > You didn't see any evidence to the contrary either. Quoting from http://devlinux.org/deutsch-interview.html#sec6 "[...] I promised Stallman in writing that all future versions of Ghostscript would be released with the GPL." -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On 03/22/2011 10:00 AM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 01:50, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 03/21/2011 08:33 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: >>> * Ghostscript had a deal with FSF to make the latest-but-one version >>> GPL, but they sold the latest version with a commercial license. >> There was no deal with FSF. They were the sole copyright holders and >> don't require permission or deals with anyone in such a situation. >> > Who do you refer to as "they" above? Aladdin, who were the sole copyright holders of Ghostscript invented the dual licensing model. You claimed that Aladdin had a deal with FSF. I don't see any evidence of that. Rahul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 01:50, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/21/2011 08:33 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: >> * Ghostscript had a deal with FSF to make the latest-but-one version >> GPL, but they sold the latest version with a commercial license. > > There was no deal with FSF. They were the sole copyright holders and > don't require permission or deals with anyone in such a situation. > Who do you refer to as "they" above? Aladdin released Ghostscript under the AFPL, and only old releases were made available under the GPL. The versions released under the GPL were called GNU Ghostscript. In either case, that's an example of someone making a living by producing free software. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
This thread is going nice and i request anyone of the luggies to arrange free open source enterprenuer meet up and this meetup surely give hope to lot of young bies.. -- Regards... Chidambaresan www.chidambaresan.blogspot.com www.sakthiinnovators.com +919245256098 04562263005 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
There are many others like me in this list too. All others > like me - please raise your hands :-D > @Chandrashekar: Thanks for the nicely formatted reply. I'm self employed since 2002 and started LinuXpert Systems in 2003 and also successfull in building my career/business through FOSS. Regards S. Baskar CEO/LinuXpert Systems ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On 03/21/2011 08:33 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > * Ghostscript had a deal with FSF to make the latest-but-one version > GPL, but they sold the latest version with a commercial license. There was no deal with FSF. They were the sole copyright holders and don't require permission or deals with anyone in such a situation. Rahul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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> CodeIgniter, etc) are still in great in the industry. ^ s/great/demand/ -- http://www.chandrashekar.info/ http://www.slashprog.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 19:02, Vanitha Kumar wrote: > In other words, Can we make use of *readily available* *FREE software* to > *make money* Producing open source software: * Qt had it's code dual licensed, they sold commercial licenses. Then TrollTech was bought by Nokia, so the shareholders made money there too. * Ghostscript had a deal with FSF to make the latest-but-one version GPL, but they sold the latest version with a commercial license. Using open source software: * A graphics artist using GIMP will make money the same ways as someone using Photoshop. * A journalist using OpenOffice is selling his articles. Selling/supporting open source software produced by others, you get paid for your expertise: * Setting up an office. * Handling installation, system administration. > If we have some real life examples in the form of entrepreneurs here, that > would be great. > I'm not a real-life example, but the company I work for has some open source software, not sure we directly make any money from it though. Roshan -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
Hi, > Can someone give a few *examples* of *how FOSS could be used > to earn a living* - in addition to setting up computer labs & > developing applications using FOSS. FOSS Training, Consulting and Deployment are good money-spinners to start off with - in my opinion. I've been earning and making a living out of them for the last 8 years (after I quit my last job sometime in 2002). When I meant Training - I also meant corporate training. Many companies in the recent years (both big and small) have been looking at FOSS based solutions in their organizations. As of today, good skills on technologies like Python, Perl, Ruby, Linux, MySQL/PostgreSQL, NetBSD/FreeBSD, and the whole plethora of web technologies based on FOSS (Django, RoR, CodeIgniter, etc) are still in great in the industry. Having said that, there is an acute scarcity of knowledgeable resources in these area. Thus, most companies resort to updating skillsets of their existing workforce to tackle challenges in developing and/or deploying using FOSS by means of corporate training. So, there *is* a great demand for experienced, highly competent and industry proven corporate trainers in various FOSS technologies. There are niche FOSS related projects and technologies for which companies cannot easily hire a resource personnel, they often resort to hiring contract developers, consultants or administrators. > In other words, Can we make use of *readily available* > *FREE software* to *make money* - this might help someone > seriously look at FOSS for MONEY - also might attract more > people towards FOSS? There are many FOSS enthusiasts like me who make a living by working as freelance consultants on various FOSS technologies for contract development, consulting, administration/deployment, and corporate training. I'm a 'live' and kicking example of "how to make money *only* using FOSS" :-). I'm self employed, pay my house rent, taxes and raise a family without a company id card for the last 8 years. Last year, I started off my own company with an intent to contribute back to FOSS in someway or the other and to enlighten many more people about living a life without a "name-some-big-company-here" identity badge. There are many others like me in this list too. All others like me - please raise your hands :-D The point is - making money from FOSS is possible provided that you have the skills, experience, maturity, patience and passion towards what you are doing. > (I do understand that money must not be the deciding > factor in one's career choice) In an ideal world, it is not. But in a country like ours, if you have a dream/passion to achieve something - you need *money* first... fast... and lot of it :-). Else, you will be consumed into /dev/null too soon! I've been there, rebooted and did renice my priorities. > The reason why I ask is that it is the MONEY that is the > most important motivating factor in one's career choice - > that's the primary reason why we see so many fresh engineers > and graduates dying to get placed in an IT firm. Unless you are an idealist saint like RMS, you'll need money, and to earn money - you need a decent job first, and to get a decent job, you need a nice "IT" graduation tag to begin with - this has been the easiest mantra since the mid '90s. And in a competitive country like ours - you can't be an idealist without being financially self sustainable - as mentioned, you'll either be quarantined in /lost+found, mv'd to /dev/null or overwritten (rather corrupted) by /dev/urandom. > If we have some real life examples in the form of > entrepreneurs here, that would be great. There are many successful FOSS entrepreneurs here. I'm a just a small and budding example, right now :-) Cheers, Chandrashekar. -- http://www.chandrashekar.info/ http://www.slashprog.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
Hi Friends There's been a lot of discussion on FOSS and trainings on several threads from various FOSS enthusiasts. Can someone give a few *examples* of *how FOSS could be used to earn a living* - in addition to setting up computer labs & developing applications using FOSS. In other words, Can we make use of *readily available* *FREE software* to *make money* - this might help someone seriously look at FOSS for MONEY - also might attract more people towards FOSS? (I do understand that money must not be the deciding factor in one's career choice) The reason why I ask is that it is the MONEY that is the most important motivating factor in one's career choice - that's the primary reason why we see so many fresh engineers and graduates dying to get placed in an IT firm. If we have some real life examples in the form of entrepreneurs here, that would be great. Thanks Vanitha ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
