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Dear All, We value and always love to have your thoughts on our story. We did get an interesting set of comments from you all on our last story idea ' How important are FOSS certifications when it comes to the job market?' We have incorporated your views/ opinions in the story and we will soon share the article with you. (This is scheduled for our forthcoming print edition). Well, we bring you another idea and we would appreciate if you share your thoughts on the same. The latest news that is generating a lot of buzz in the open source circuits is that Linux and Mozilla smartphones may hit the markets this year! So this prompts us to come up with a volley of questions...'If phones based on Linux and Mozilla OS make their way in the market, which open source OS you would prefer to switch on to..and why.?' (Linux, Mozilla, Ubuntu or will you stay with Android?)..Do you see this a long term threat to Android? What's your take on the same? Please let us know! Regards, Priyanka ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Karthikeyan A K mindas...@gmail.comwrote: I haven't seen a non junk certificated candidate yet. But there should be some people who are worth to pay for the certification they have got. But I haven't seen one. That's a huge disappointment. As a general rule, I'd think that certifications around functional skills may be of value to the Industry (ex: PCI compliance, ITIL, etc.,). I've seen some service companies value such certification. A rare exception: Amazon Bangalore hired one PCI guy (but he was a pure PCI product manager - not a techie with PCI-too certification) in order to build Flexible Payments Service. http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/columns/rasheeda-bhagat/decoding-zohos-success/article4379158.ece I am tempted to say One swallow does not a summer make, nor one fine day; similarly one day or brief time of happiness does not make a person entirely happy. But then again, you do have the chance to posit Zoho as the black swan. Don't get what you say. I am quiet weak in deciphering old English. What he means to say is Zoho turned things upside down by hiring rural folk and trains them in-house on PHP/MySQL/etc.,. It challenges the fundamental mindset that engineering graduates (starting from IIT and _below_) are better - but, IMO, this changing (Zoho) trend is already widespread. I run a business which finds raw talent (people with computer programming / open source inclination) and incubates them by providing inspiration / guidance and infrastructure (specifically free access to AWS). When they have built something worthwhile to be showcased, we place them at internet-tech companies (like InMobi, Flipkart, etc.,). Some of these companies have specifically asked us to NOT go to engineering colleges because they have, out of experience, found better quality Arts Science graduates! We instead tell these companies to keep their mind open and hire only those who pass their (usually very tough and long) technical interviews. Cheers, -Suraj -- Career Gear - Industry Driven Talent Factory - Amazon Web Services Training Partner and Consultancy Firm http://careergear.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Karthikeyan A K mindas...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen a non junk certificated candidate yet. But there should be some people who are worth to pay for the certification they have got. All Charted Accountants, ICWA Grads are also certified professionals only, who just got certified. On the IT front, I have seen people who have finished their certifications for the sake of it, and there are those which have real value. One of the real value certifications is Oracle Certified Java Enterprise Architect. A certification that becomes junk if not properly done is - Oracle Java Application Developer Certification. Both of them from the same stable. These are just examples. There should be tonnes of others out there. There are others, which only when you cross, would you under the concept at all. You don't have to write the certification, but once you learn it - why not? Eg: TOGAF. -- Natarajan. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Thursday 07 March 2013 11:11 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Karthikeyan A K mindas...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to arrange a competition of certificated ppl against the ones I have picked. :-)) . And, what would that prove ? That certification is Junk. Truly almost all IT industry certifications are junk. 99.999% of it . Even most people having engineering degree are junk. Perhaps we should rename certification program as justification program. I myself thought a bunch of programmers in CTS for Java certification and I knew it would produce junk. Just watched the massacre of technology / love for knowledge right in front of my eyes. Let me clarify this line of thought you have proposed - almost all IT industry certifications are junk. Wherein one can infer that there is a small slice of certifications which are not junk. Could you point those out ? I'm certain that they'd be interesting in context of the article. I haven't seen a non junk certificated candidate yet. But there should be some people who are worth to pay for the certification they have got. But I haven't seen one. That's a huge disappointment. Now, you follow that statement with most people having engineering degree are junk. So, how do you validate who are not junk ? They (computer engineers) should be able to understand and program computers. What else? Leave along building their own stuff. But some corporations have circumvented this junkification http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/columns/rasheeda-bhagat/decoding-zohos-success/article4379158.ece I am tempted to say One swallow does not a summer make, nor one fine day; similarly one day or brief time of happiness does not make a person entirely happy. But then again, you do have the chance to posit Zoho as the black swan. Don't get what you say. I am quiet weak in deciphering old English. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan -- Karthikeyan A K http://is.gd/kblogs ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Bulk hirers have to be `scaleable'## -- so they use such 'metrics'. They need to merely ensure that those who hire are not below their set bar. People who hire smaller numbers tend to focus on skills and look for those who are above their bar and try to figure out means to identify key skills reliably. ## -- sometimes that means It does not matter what if we do is wrong; as long as it is repeatable and wrong in the same way towards all it is ok; sometimes it means I will be questioned if I deviate, so I would rather not do this even though I *may* get a great result Asokan Pichai *---* We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal) *To find everything profound — that is an inconvenient trait.* It makes one strain one's eyes all the time, and in the end one finds more than one might have wished. -- Nietzsche ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Thursday 07 March 2013 10:27 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Karthikeyan A K mindas...@gmail.com wrote: Are you an MBA or something? Read the email and couldn't make a thing out! No kiddin!! This is remarkably graceless. Priyanka did clarify (in response to a question I had) that the article is about the relevance of certifications when candidates are evaluated for opportunities in open source technologies. That is a paraphrase of what she said (her exact statement is in the archives). I do think it is a good initiative that inputs to an article are being solicited and, crowd-sourced. It provides EFY/LFY with an opportunity to identify voices as well as helps establishing a relationship that is not based purely on commissioned pieces. At some point perhaps it would also help in pitching ideas for articles and features. Better graceless than truth-less ;-) -- Karthikeyan A K http://is.gd/kblogs ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Thursday 07 March 2013 10:45 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Priyanka Sarkar efyed...@efyindia.com wrote: Certifications related to open source and Linux. Please correct me if I am wrong. Sankarshan, can you share your inputs on the same.? I would refrain from opining on whether certifications are useful or, otherwise. My employer offers a fairly well-known and diverse set of training offerings and, it would be difficult for me to keep adding caveats for everything I say. However, consider this aspect - employers are commercial entities who provide services against contracts. Contractual obligations require that a specific set of skills be certified by passing an examination. And, hence, there is a reason why employers do put some emphasis on certifications and, their ratings. This is not limited to IT. Consider for a moment the medical and health services industry - you have certifications. Or, traditional engineering - you have certifications there too. So, if you do have a generic statement along the lines of certification is useless and junk, that fallacy needs to be tested. I would like to arrange a competition of certificated ppl against the ones I have picked. :-)) . Truly almost all IT industry certifications are junk. 99.999% of it . Even most people having engineering degree are junk. Perhaps we should rename certification program as justification program. I myself thought a bunch of programmers in CTS for Java certification and I knew it would produce junk. Just watched the massacre of technology / love for knowledge right in front of my eyes. But some corporations have circumvented this junkification http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/columns/rasheeda-bhagat/decoding-zohos-success/article4379158.ece -- Karthikeyan A K http://is.gd/kblogs ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Karthikeyan A K mindas...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to arrange a competition of certificated ppl against the ones I have picked. :-)) . And, what would that prove ? Truly almost all IT industry certifications are junk. 99.999% of it . Even most people having engineering degree are junk. Perhaps we should rename certification program as justification program. I myself thought a bunch of programmers in CTS for Java certification and I knew it would produce junk. Just watched the massacre of technology / love for knowledge right in front of my eyes. Let me clarify this line of thought you have proposed - almost all IT industry certifications are junk. Wherein one can infer that there is a small slice of certifications which are not junk. Could you point those out ? I'm certain that they'd be interesting in context of the article. Now, you follow that statement with most people having engineering degree are junk. So, how do you validate who are not junk ? But some corporations have circumvented this junkification http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/columns/rasheeda-bhagat/decoding-zohos-success/article4379158.ece I am tempted to say One swallow does not a summer make, nor one fine day; similarly one day or brief time of happiness does not make a person entirely happy. But then again, you do have the chance to posit Zoho as the black swan. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Chandrashekar Babu l...@chandrashekar.info wrote: IMHO, it makes no sense in getting certified as a developer or a programmer. Certifications that cover programming languages and application/web development frameworks are merely an eye-wash. Most candidates who get recruited in these domain are generally interviewed and evaluated by a technically competent personnel (preferably a tech-lead or a hired technical consultant) in at-least one of the evaluation spins. Certifications might not necessarily help in improving the employability of the candidate in this regard. Programmers and developers are best evaluated based on their track-record and their problem analysis and problem-solving skills. Having said that, developer/programming certification if taken seriously by the candidates would help them in learning the technology well, though it might not guarantee their employability. Certifications can help in situations where employers want to employ people for the sake of demonstrating the existence of infrastructure in their organization. In these situations under-qualified otherwise but certified people can be paid less for more work. Competence may not come into the picture and certifications can have a face-saving value. It happens in private universities. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani CU, ASL, AMS, CLC, CMS http://www.logicamani.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Priyanka Sarkar efyed...@efyindia.comwrote: So the story idea goes like: How important are FOSS certifications when it comes to the job market? Please let us have your insightful suggestions on the same. FOSS is extensively used in Internet-based companies. I worked at Yahoo!, Amazon and InMobi and have been doing business with many startups in the Internet space - such as Flipkart, Exotel, etc., as a Talent sourcing consultant. What we see as a common theme across all such companies' hiring policy is they give preference to those who are self learners than those who do certification courses. With all due respect, I can also vouch for the validity of this policy that we typically come across shallower engineers when we see a certification logo in their resumes. Not to say all those who do certification courses are of poor quality - but the difference is wide and obvious. Most companies these days are also beginning to be open about what they look for in a person when hiring - they don't care if someone has a B.E. degree or not - nor do they care if they cleared their exams. What they really care about is Can you think? Can you do?. Cheers, -Suraj -- Career Gear - Industry Driven Talent Factory - Amazon Web Services Training Partner and Consultancy Firm http://careergear.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Hi, How important are FOSS certifications when it comes to the job market? Here are couple of my thoughts in this regard (and please be kind on my typos and possible grammatical errors): Certifications are useful in the field on Systems and Network Administration in general. In relation of FOSS, there are numerous certification programs provided and supported by companies and their partnered vendors. For instance, there's RedHat Certified Engineer (a.k.a RHCE) program by RedHat Inc (and there are many more similar certifications by RedHat), Ubuntu Certified Professional by Canonical Software, Novell Certified Linux Engineer (NCLE) by Novell Inc., LPI series of certifications from Linux Professional Institute. Most of the above certifications cater to administrators. This makes sense because, administrators are employed in companies that span beyond IT domain (banks, hospitals, schools for instance). However, it might be a little difficult for recruiters from non-IT organizations to evaluate or gauge the skill-sets and technology competency of candidates that they might be recruiting as administrators; especially in current times where FOSS technology awareness among non-IT sectors are still low. Certifications from a reputed institute or a company would go a long way in boosting the recruiter's confidence on the candidate's skills. IMHO, it makes no sense in getting certified as a developer or a programmer. Certifications that cover programming languages and application/web development frameworks are merely an eye-wash. Most candidates who get recruited in these domain are generally interviewed and evaluated by a technically competent personnel (preferably a tech-lead or a hired technical consultant) in at-least one of the evaluation spins. Certifications might not necessarily help in improving the employability of the candidate in this regard. Programmers and developers are best evaluated based on their track-record and their problem analysis and problem-solving skills. Having said that, developer/programming certification if taken seriously by the candidates would help them in learning the technology well, though it might not guarantee their employability. Regards, Chandrashekar. -- Chandrashekar Babu., Experienced FOSS Technologist and Corporate Trainer., http://www.chandrashekar.info/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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May be participating in programming contest or coding hackathon can help them improve their skills, by the way of giving hands on experience. -- Regards, Nahalingam N. K. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Wednesday 06 March 2013 12:14 PM, Priyanka Sarkar wrote: So, this time we are doing a story on how important are certifications related to open source when it comes to employability. We would really appreciate if you also let us have your views on the same. Please feel free to write back if you have any queries. Regards, Priyanka OK, I think this is about certification, personally I think certification does no good. All boils down to ones interest. I have seen people shfowing they are certified in this or that and they are junk. Other people are genuinely interested in technology and they don't care about employment, money, pride and blah bah. Its that kind of people I hire. In fee software world I don't think certification is important as all knowledge is free. Any one having the interest can learn it. And free software is not about money or employment. -- Karthikeyan A K http://is.gd/kblogs ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Wednesday 06 March 2013 06:45 PM, Nahalingam N. K wrote: May be participating in programming contest or coding hackathon can help them improve their skills, by the way of giving hands on experience. Ya, I don't think certification helps. Its junk. -- Karthikeyan A K http://is.gd/kblogs ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Dear All, Few weeks back, your valuable comments helped us come out with an interesting article on rooting one's Android device. We are back with a story idea and would really appreciate if you chip in and share your views on this. So the story idea goes like: How important are FOSS certifications when it comes to the job market? Please let us have your insightful suggestions on the same. Looking forward to see some great takes... Thanks and Regards, Priyanka ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Priyanka Sarkar efyed...@efyindia.com wrote: Few weeks back, your valuable comments helped us come out with an interesting article on rooting one's Android device. We are back with a story idea and would really appreciate if you chip in and share your views on this. So the story idea goes like: How important are FOSS certifications when it comes to the job market? When you say FOSS Certifications what do you mean? -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On 05/03/13 14:24, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Priyanka Sarkar efyed...@efyindia.com wrote: Few weeks back, your valuable comments helped us come out with an interesting article on rooting one's Android device. We are back with a story idea and would really appreciate if you chip in and share your views on this. So the story idea goes like: How important are FOSS certifications when it comes to the job market? When you say FOSS Certifications what do you mean? Certifications related to open source and Linux. Please correct me if I am wrong. Sankarshan, can you share your inputs on the same.? Regards, Priyanka ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Greetings Online MSc (CS-Foss)http://cde.annauniv.edu/MSCFOSS/ http://cde.annauniv.edu/MSCFOSS/CS-FOSS_Brochure.pdf Regards, On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Priyanka Sarkar efyed...@efyindia.comwrote: On 05/03/13 14:24, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Priyanka Sarkar efyed...@efyindia.com wrote: Few weeks back, your valuable comments helped us come out with an interesting article on rooting one's Android device. We are back with a story idea and would really appreciate if you chip in and share your views on this. So the story idea goes like: How important are FOSS certifications when it comes to the job market? When you say FOSS Certifications what do you mean? Certifications related to open source and Linux. Please correct me if I am wrong. Sankarshan, can you share your inputs on the same.? Regards, Priyanka ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc G.T.RAO AHMEDABAD,GUJARAT http://fossyatra.wordpress.com http://paper.li/GTRao/1342070958 mobile:07359964844 लिनक्स: नि:शुल्क और खुले स्रोत सॉफ्टवेयर आप के लिए और दुनिया के लिए अच्छा है. ना कोई adware,ना कोई spyware, सिर्फ अच्छा सॉफ्टवेयर. Linux(લિનક્ષ ): મુક્ત અને નિઃશુલ્ક(મફત) ઓપન સોર્સ સોફ્ટવેર તમારા માટે અને વિશ્વ માટે સારું છે. ના કોઈ એડવેર , ના કોઈ સ્પાયવેર, માત્ર સારું સોફ્ટવેર. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Are you an MBA or something? Read the email and couldn't make a thing out! No kiddin!! On Tuesday 05 March 2013 02:23 PM, Priyanka Sarkar wrote: Dear All, Few weeks back, your valuable comments helped us come out with an interesting article on rooting one's Android device. We are back with a story idea and would really appreciate if you chip in and share your views on this. So the story idea goes like: How important are FOSS certifications when it comes to the job market? Please let us have your insightful suggestions on the same. Looking forward to see some great takes... Thanks and Regards, Priyanka -- Karthikeyan A K http://is.gd/kblogs ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On 06/03/13 09:37, Karthikeyan A K wrote: Are you an MBA or something? Read the email and couldn't make a thing out! No kiddin!! If you are unable to understand, allow us to take the initiative of explaining you again. As an initiative to promote FOSS in the Indian community, we have done and have been doing a number of articles in our publication and on our website. The interesting part is that we ask the esteemed members of the LUG community to share their thoughts on a story idea so that we incorporate their suggestions (which are indeed enriching) and come out with a good story. In a way, we put in our best to bring real and live information to our readers, who are also FOSS enthusiasts. If you have been actively following the posts, you will chance upon a post wherein we have asked our cherished LUG members to share their views on a story based on Rooting your android phone. We did get a lot of interesting takes from them and that helped us in coming out with an article. Here is the link: http://www.linuxforu.com/2013/03/to-root-or-not-to-root/. So, this time we are doing a story on how important are certifications related to open source when it comes to employability. We would really appreciate if you also let us have your views on the same. Please feel free to write back if you have any queries. Regards, Priyanka On Tuesday 05 March 2013 02:23 PM, Priyanka Sarkar wrote: Dear All, Few weeks back, your valuable comments helped us come out with an interesting article on rooting one's Android device. We are back with a story idea and would really appreciate if you chip in and share your views on this. So the story idea goes like: How important are FOSS certifications when it comes to the job market? Please let us have your insightful suggestions on the same. Looking forward to see some great takes... Thanks and Regards, Priyanka ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
