Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Developer Week 2011: February 28th - March 4th
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot Kadambari, Kenneth and Arun Khan, You are welcome. sometimes, it requires a lot of patience and time to educate people. Will be nice, if we all do the same detailed explanation while people do mistakes like topposting, asking unrelated questions, replying to thread etc. Instead of rude one line threats, these kind words will help the people to understand the mistakes and rectify themselves. The style of your asking had the right attitude (i.e. want to learn) and you got the positive feedback and suggestions. I received some positive feedbacks on this thread from friends, who were telling like ILUGC should be more new users friendly. This is not just ILUG-Chennai specific. If you ask the questions with a positive attitude you get answers. On the flip side, people who ask for step by step on basic things (for which there are umpteen articles/tutorials) and expect hand holding without any effort on their part - that is bad attitude IMO. Linux mailing lists is not the place for them IMO. -- Arun Khan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Developer Week 2011: February 28th - March 4th
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 18:05 +0530, Shrinivasan T wrote: Instead of rude one line threats, these kind words will help the people to understand the mistakes and rectify themselves. yes - I am working hard to be more user-friendly. Please do not hesitate to point out if I am not. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Developer Week 2011: February 28th - March 4th
Thanks a lot Kadambari, Kenneth and Arun Khan, So happy to see the detailed explanations on Quoting. Now only I really understand the things. Will follow your suggestions in my mails. sometimes, it requires a lot of patience and time to educate people. Will be nice, if we all do the same detailed explanation while people do mistakes like topposting, asking unrelated questions, replying to thread etc. Instead of rude one line threats, these kind words will help the people to understand the mistakes and rectify themselves. I received some positive feedbacks on this thread from friends, who were telling like ILUGC should be more new users friendly. We are proving that we are caring and educating people to learn and improve themself. Thanks. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com Free/Open Source Jobs : http://fossjobs.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Developer Week 2011: February 28th - March 4th
When you quote - please say so *or* simply forward the email. Most MUAs are smart and will put a FWD prefix (or something similar) on the subject line. unfortunately the OP keeps doing this even though he has been repeatedly reminded ;-) The real issue is I still can not understand this things. If I know somw event is happening about any Free Open Source Software, I just share the information here. I do not get them as forward mail. I get the information from various sites, mailing lists, irc etc. After some editing like adding links, formatting, I share it to the mailing list. I dont want to give just a single url and all to click to explore what it is, I give as much information as possible in the mail itself. Links are also being provided for further exploration. Those event information and content are to share with others and they dont request for any attribution. As I participate most of the event, I share the information to the list. Please advice me on how I have to change the voice or tone in the announcements. Give some examples on how we have to announce the event Ubuntu Developer Week and the link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek to the list. Thanks. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com Free/Open Source Jobs : http://fossjobs.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Developer Week 2011: February 28th - March 4th
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote: When you quote - please say so *or* simply forward the email. Most MUAs are smart and will put a FWD prefix (or something similar) on the subject line. unfortunately the OP keeps doing this even though he has been repeatedly reminded ;-) The real issue is I still can not understand this things. When you lift text verbatim from some one or site it is a common courtesy to acknowledge where you got the information from and include relevant text using some kind of notation. Example quote blah blah blah blah ... /quote Is that so difficult? If I know somw event is happening about any Free Open Source Software, I just share the information here. It is nice and welcome as long as you convey it in a proper manner. Till now such postings, from you, look as though you have composed them which is misleading. I do not get them as forward mail. I get the information from various sites, mailing lists, irc etc. Mailing lists announcements can be forwarded by clicking on the forward icon/link in your email client. IRC you can copy/paste and mention the source of your quotation. Ditto with web sites. After some editing like adding links, formatting, I share it to the mailing list. I dont want to give just a single url and all to click to explore what it is, I give as much information as possible in the mail itself. Those interested in your event will click on the URL. It does not matter IMO; the issue is proper quotation. Links are also being provided for further exploration. Those event information and content are to share with others and they dont request for any attribution. As I participate most of the event, I share the information to the list. Please advice me on how I have to change the voice or tone in the announcements. When you copy/paste it is not your voice/tone. It is the original authors voice/tone. With appropriate quote marks you do not have change the voice/tone at all. After all you are quoting. Give some examples on how we have to announce the event Ubuntu Developer Week and the link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek to the list. In this case it would have been sufficient to quote the first para of the announcement and then give the URL for further reference. HTH -- Arun Khan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Developer Week 2011: February 28th - March 4th
Dear Shrinivasan, Preemptive apology - sorry to jump on the bandwagon, but my 2 paise follow :) On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.comwrote: The real issue is I still can not understand this things. If I know somw event is happening about any Free Open Source Software, I just share the information here. I do not get them as forward mail. I get the information from various sites, mailing lists, irc etc. After some editing like adding links, formatting, I share it to the mailing list. It's as simple as this - if it's not content you came up with, use quotes (or anything that indicates that you've copied it from elsewhere, or are quoting someone). If possible, attribute. If you're unable to use quotes (for whatever reason), paraphrase. It's considered bad manners and (worse still) plagiarism to not indicate the portions you've borrowed from someone else. Moreover, just adding one line, link, comment, or any minor changes, do not justify using content as your own. And, I can't say it enough - attribute, attribute, attribute. For instance: You may be mashing up an announcement and have used a few lines from some event announcement on a developer list, a few lines from someone's blog post, and a couple of lines from a website. You may put your announcement together, but the content is still not yours - it's from 3 different places. Ideally, you should put them individually in quotes with corresponding attributions. eg. - ABC has a sprint happening at venue on date. xyz_name on the blah_name mailing list says the following about this. whatever you want to quote from xyz's email As MN, the author of insert package, says in her blog, quote insert snippet from blog /quote. For more information on this wonderful package refer website. - I dont want to give just a single url and all to click to explore what it is, I give as much information as possible in the mail itself. Links are also being provided for further exploration. Those event information and content are to share with others and they dont request for any attribution. Understood. I do remember sending you a bio/write up offlist for some talk and saw it sent verbatim to the list without quotes or attribution. While there was no attribution required, it was not content that you generated but it certainly looked like you did (likely unintentionally). Quotations to indicate that you didn't write the lines would be a graceful way of helping others realize who came up with what or at least in distinguishing between something authored by you and someone else. While I was not miffed, I do think it's not good practice to not quote, especially in open source circles and academia. Basically, while attribution is upto you, copying is not, i.e., 'tis not a sin to not attribute, but it's a serious one to not quote content that you did not come up with. Thumbrule - if you have pasted a line from somewhere, put it in quotes, and attribute the author (if content snipped is significant). If it's someone else's idea or if rephrasing it, mention that you're paraphrasing someone else. This applies almost everywhere - college projects, assignments, homework, writing research papers, articles, publishing *anything* anywhere ... You don't want to be stuck with a plagiarism tag! A better (and more objective/impersonal) explanation can be found under Notes on plagiarism at - http://www.aero.iitb.ac.in/home/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=17Itemid=25 HTH :) Cheers, KD -- Webpage - http://kadambarid.in Weblog - http://kadambarid.livejournal.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Developer Week 2011: February 28th - March 4th
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 15:19 +0530, Shrinivasan T wrote: Give some examples on how we have to announce the event Ubuntu Developer Week and the link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek to the list. like this: quoting from this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek [quote] Welcome to the Ubuntu Developer Week! We will have one week of action-packed sessions from February 28th 2011 to March 4th 2011! In just five years, Ubuntu has become the most popular Linux distribution in the world with millions of users. Ever wondered how Ubuntu development works? How to get involved yourself? Find out from February 28th 2011 to March 4th 2011! Ubuntu Developer Week is a series of online workshops where you can: * learn about different packaging techniques * find out more about different development teams * check out the efforts of the world-wide Development Community * participate in open QA sessions with Ubuntu developers * much more... * [end of quote] -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Ubuntu Developer Week 2011: February 28th - March 4th
The Ubuntu Developer Week event will take place from February 28th to March 4th, 2011, and will cover several aspects of Ubuntu development, from crash-courses in getting started with working on Ubuntu to more advanced topics. Join #ubuntu-classroom on irc.freenode.net from 28th Feb to 4th Mar and check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek for more information. Ubuntu developers and enthusiasts wanting to contribute will get together online for five days of sessions hosted by some of Ubuntu's greatest developers. Here are some of the topics the developers will go over in the sessions: · Getting Started with Ubuntu Development; · How to use Ubuntu Distributed Development; · How to get changes into Ubuntu; · How to make changes in stable releases of Ubuntu; · How to collaborate with Debian; · Getting new apps into Ubuntu; · Unity hacking (fixing Unity bugs, writing compiz plugins, learning libunity); · Ubuntu One App Programme; · Hooking in Ubuntu translations; · How to write IRC bots; · How to use Zeitgeist; · How to use TestDrive; · Ubuntu 11.04 stuff: Unity 2D, OMAP4 and ARM, QA with Ubuntu Engineering Director, etc; · Helping out the LoCo Directory; · Django hacking; · How to get better bug reports; · Boto EC2 Cloud API; · How to use Launchpad’s Daily Builds; · and much more! To participate, all you have to do is join the #ubuntu-classroom channel on irc.freenode.net. Sessions start Monday, February 28th, 2011 at 16:00 UTC. The odd hour was chosen to accommodate for as many people from around the world as possible. The main channel will be in English, to ensure that the highest number of people can join, but there will be translations in several languages for those who aren't comfortable enough with their English to ask questions. Translations include: German, French, Italian, Catalan, Finnish, Danish and Spanish. In only 5 years, Ubuntu has become the most popular Linux-based operating system in the world with millions of users. Did you ever wondered how the Ubuntu development works? Do you want to know how to get involved yourself? You can get more information about Ubuntu Developer Week here. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com Free/Open Source Jobs : http://fossjobs.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Developer Week 2011: February 28th - March 4th
When you quote - please say so *or* simply forward the email. Most MUAs are smart and will put a FWD prefix (or something similar) on the subject line. Your post appears to be a verbatim copy/paste from some site or announcement. IMO this is not a good practice - it gives the impression that you are the author of the content. @list moderator(s) please make this as part of the posting guidelines if it is not there already. Coming to the contents of the post, it is all Ubuntu centric; nothing wrong on the surface but ... how does your contribution to Ubuntu go upstream so that other distros can also benefit? -- Arun Khan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Developer Week 2011: February 28th - March 4th
Again made the same mistake. Apologies. Your post appears to be a verbatim copy/paste from some site or announcement. IMO this is not a good practice - it gives the impression that you are the author of the content. Will give the link for the original site in future announcements. Coming to the contents of the post, it is all Ubuntu centric; nothing wrong on the surface but ... how does your contribution to Ubuntu go upstream so that other distros can also benefit? As all the code for ubuntu are hosted in launchpad, anyone can get them and give to other distros. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com Free/Open Source Jobs : http://fossjobs.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Developer Week 2011: February 28th - March 4th
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 10:02 +0530, Arun Khan wrote: When you quote - please say so *or* simply forward the email. Most MUAs are smart and will put a FWD prefix (or something similar) on the subject line. unfortunately the OP keeps doing this even though he has been repeatedly reminded ;-) -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Developer Week 2011: February 28th - March 4th
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 10:38 +0530, Shrinivasan T wrote: Coming to the contents of the post, it is all Ubuntu centric; nothing wrong on the surface but ... how does your contribution to Ubuntu go upstream so that other distros can also benefit? As all the code for ubuntu are hosted in launchpad, anyone can get them and give to other distros. all code for all distros is hosted somewhere - that is not the meaning of the question. Most distros have a large number of people working on upstream applications - but Ubuntu does not. why? -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Developer Week 2011: February 28th - March 4th
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 10:38 +0530, Shrinivasan T wrote: Coming to the contents of the post, it is all Ubuntu centric; nothing wrong on the surface but ... how does your contribution to Ubuntu go upstream so that other distros can also benefit? As all the code for ubuntu are hosted in launchpad, anyone can get them and give to other distros. all code for all distros is hosted somewhere - that is not the meaning of the question. Most distros have a large number of people working on upstream applications - but Ubuntu does not. why? Thank you for the clarification - that was the intent of my question. -- Arun Khan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
