[ilugd] LVS Real Servers Cluster Statistics Viewing Software
Hey friends, Recently I have configured LVS and Real Servers for Apache Load Balancing.Isthere any software which shows the Real Time Statistics of Clustered Servers like hard disk consumption,bandwidth consumption,CPU load,No of Connections etc.Moreover I am also looking for something like this if any of the servers goes down then email should be send to the concerned person. Thanks Regards Ankush Grover ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Where is the community?
On 9/23/05, Pankaj kaushal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Since early this month, a discussion has been floating around and has been quite visible. Some background can be found from the following links. A little less of verbosity and simpler words will make your message clear to all. Secondly (and this is to all @linux-delhi.org) please do use your personal email address rather than that of LUG-D as the opinion of LUG-D may / may not be in line with your thought. Lastly why post on Delhi LUG? Go ahead and post it on fss.in lists. Watching for this thread to continue with interest. Is this not like all the people who are for democracy but are not willing to do anythingon their own to bring it about? Rise up and numbers will sway the tide of thought. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Where is the community?
in infinite wisdom Sudev Barar spoke thus on 09/23/05 14:05: On 9/23/05, Pankaj kaushal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lastly why post on Delhi LUG? Go ahead and post it on fss.in lists. I think foss.in lists are moderated and Pankaj's email will get moderated. -- Raj ShekharY!IM : lunatech3007 blog : http://rajshekhar.net/blog home : http://rajshekhar.net Disclaimer : http://rajshekhar.net/disclaimer ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Where is the community?
Watching for this thread to continue with interest. Is this not like all the people who are for democracy but are not willing to do anythingon their own to bring it about? Rise up and numbers will sway the tide of thought. Out of curiosity - how many people from Delhi (or ILUG-D for that matter) are planning to go to B'lore for foss.in (or would've gone if it would have not been promoting proprietary software)? Nandz. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com http://foodieforlife.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
[ilugd] Fwd: ILUG-D: SOS ! SOS !
-- Forwarded Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message from lalit: hi experts i m new to linux and having probs. related to installation of additional softwares. i installed xandros which came along with a Magazn. help me plz also i use Reliance fone for Net conntn. Tell how to config. that Damn modem... i m really fucked but wanna use linux at any COST I mean it. So Plz.. Help Me GURUS' Thanx Lalit (Desperate n waioting for Reply ) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: ILUG-D: SOS ! SOS !
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message from lalit: hi experts i am presuming you are connected or reading you mails some way,instead of showing your frustration,creativity and feelings in a public forum you could have taken this opportunity to write what exactly your problem is hope this will help you in knowing howto ask the questions to begin with. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Satyakam ps:Welcome to the list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: ILUG-D: SOS ! SOS !
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message from lalit: hi experts i am presuming you are connected or reading you mails some way,instead of showing your frustration,creativity and feelings in a public forum you could have taken this opportunity to write what exactly your problem is hope this will help you in knowing howto ask the questions to begin with. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Satyakam ps:Welcome to the list __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: ILUG-D: Contact Us
Nishikant Kapoor wrote: -- Forwarded Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message from Shiv Rana: I would like to use linux to replace MS windows. I read in the web that I should get a box Linux for installtions. Where can I get the genuine linux in box? You dont need a special box to use linux. your current PC/Mac is good enough. Ubuntu is a easy to use version of GNU/Linux. You can probably download the latest ubuntu live cd or installation cd. The difference between live cd and installation cd is that, if you just boot with that cd, you can use linux, there is no installation needed. Please see, http://www.ubuntu.com/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation?action=showredirect=NewToUbuntu You can download the live cd ISO from here, http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/ Alternately you can loudly ask on the list for a ubuntu cd set. P. -- Alas, even today there's little worth thinking and saying that does not grievously wound the state, the gods, and common decency. -Goethe ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] LVS Real Servers Cluster Statistics Viewing Software
Hi Ankush .. You can use 'gangila' to see real time statistics fo real servers as well as director. and for monitoring the availability of the services running in real nodes use 'mon' For more help , you can contact me off the list. Regards Ritesh On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 12:55 +0530, ankush grover wrote: Hey friends, Recently I have configured LVS and Real Servers for Apache Load Balancing.Isthere any software which shows the Real Time Statistics of Clustered Servers like hard disk consumption,bandwidth consumption,CPU load,No of Connections etc.Moreover I am also looking for something like this if any of the servers goes down then email should be send to the concerned person. Thanks Regards Ankush Grover ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] mysql error while starting [...]
At 2005-09-23 18:06:44 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am getting this error while trying to start mysql. [...] Any pointers. When you don't understand an error message, ask Google about it. Chances are that other people have had the same problem. In this case, a quick search for can't open privilege tables mysql.host doesn't exist returns a number of helpful results. I suspect that your problem is because you didn't run mysql_install_db. (Also, please don't paste the error in the Subject of your message. If you need to quote it, please do so in the body). -- ams ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Running multiple SSL Virtual Hosts in Apache in single IP
Raj == Raj Shekhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Raj in infinite wisdom Sumit Malhotra spoke thus On 09/23/2005 Raj 10:27 AM: The SSL provides two layer of Security 1. SSL Layer for encryption A warning Message for wrong certificate *generally* indicates a. The Server you are connecting has wrong certificate installed. OR b. A man in middle Attack is in progress. Hence, the purpose of saving your self from getting sniffed will void. Raj Yes, I agree. However, if the data passing on the network is Raj quite sensitive, then you are better off putting the vhosts Raj on different IP and generating a SSL certificate for each. Raj If, however, you want to have a quick hack to prevent the Raj script kiddies from snooping your passwords (when using Raj phpmyadmin or a cms running on http), then you can use the Raj above method. It is not foolproof - please see the article I Raj pointed out. The author notes that Raj When you run multiple SSL sites from a single certificate, Raj you have the same level of encryption that you would have on Raj any correctly configured SSL site. However, you completely Raj forfeit any authentication ordinarily offered by SSL. When do you need validation and verification? Usually when you're doing e-commerce on the SSL site and want the user to feel secure that s/he is connecting to the right place and giving his/her CC number. I just told you the options, using them or not are entirely based on you. It's definitely a better way of securing then using an HTACCESS. Encryption, OTOH, is much more prevalent and ensures that your data is protected in transit. Useful if you're filling confidential information into web forms, etc., which many of us do on a daily basis. The method suggested (allowing encryption without verification) is a good way to achieve the latter. If you're, e.g., accepting CC numbers you would have paid for an extra IP and a (useless IMO) global certificate anyway :) There are many books/written on how the man in middle attacks are done. Check out the book on Stealing the networks by Syngress if you need. With the thread emphasis on being securing information from script KIDDIE (As Shekhar mentioned in earlier threads.), I can safely assume if a Kiddie can break into my Router/gateway/Machine to sniff then he can play with the MAN in middle attacks. BTW, I think you can get around the mis-match warning problem by running your SSL VHOSTS on separate ports. Can anyone confirm/deny this? Nope. Not so Simple. You need to run Multiple Apache Server's with Different Ports. Then it may work. - Sumit Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Running multiple SSL Virtual Hosts in Apache in single IP
in infinite wisdom Sumit Malhotra spoke thus on 09/23/05 21:25: With the thread emphasis on being securing information from script KIDDIE (As Shekhar mentioned in earlier threads.), I can safely assume if a Kiddie can break into my Router/gateway/Machine to sniff then he can play with the MAN in middle attacks. My apologies - I did not clarify the scenario in which I thought it would be useful correctly. Hopefully, the scenario described below will make it clearer. Suppose I setup cms on my server so that I can allow users to add content to it. Now, some of the users would like to use this cms from their home. The cms has some modules which are available to only internal users - (for example minutes of the meeting sections) . A few of them use the cable Internet access (like sify). Now anyone running ethereal on the sify network would be able to sniff the login/password as well as whatever content is going to be transferred on the network. Using ssl in the manner I mentioned earlier will not stop a man in the middle attack. However, it will stop the people using ethereal from getting hold of your login/password . This is a very likely scenario for a small company who have their server hosted by some hosting providers. Hope it makes things clearer now. Cheers -- Raj ShekharY!IM : lunatech3007 blog : http://rajshekhar.net/blog home : http://rajshekhar.net Disclaimer : http://rajshekhar.net/disclaimer ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
[ilugd] [Urgent] Strange problem - laptop not shutting down...
Hi, I'm stuck in a strange situation. Just booted a laptop (Toshiba) with Ubuntu 5.04 live cd. Everything was going fine before it stuck at 98% (detecting devices). Since then, i'm unable to reboot the laptop. No cold boot button is working, no keys combination is working. Moreover, i've just charged he laptop to 100%. Will I have to wait till the batteries dry out??? Even just closing back the laptop is not helping. The screen is still on with 98%... Please suggest something. Thanks. -- regards, makuchaku --- http://makuchaku.info When you speak out with the courage of your convictions, people listen! -- Valmik Thapar, Wildlife Conservationist. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] [Urgent] Strange problem - laptop not shutting down...
2005/9/23, Mayank Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Moreover, i've just charged he laptop to 100%. Will I have to wait till the batteries dry out??? Even just closing back the laptop is not helping. The screen is still on with 98%... Please suggest something. Two possible alternatives. 1. Remove the battery. Wait for a few seconds and put the battery back in. Of course, while you are doing this - make sure AC power has been removed from the laptop. 2. Keep the power button pressed for a few seconds and see if the machine shuts down. HTH Sid ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
[ilugd] IPTABLES QUEUE
Hello, Does anybody know the Solaris 10 equivalent (ipf) of the Linux iptables QUEUE target .. i am specifically looking for something in IPF. IPFW has something called divert which does similar stuff. In detail what i am trying to do here is move an application from Linux to Solaris: The iptables functional replacement I am looking for on Solaris 10 is the QUEUE (to userland) behavior. The appication's Layer 7 proxies all operate as daemons using sockets of type SOCK_STREAM. They write packets back to the userland packet engine on the loopback interface. The packet engine does Layer 2-4 work on them (address translation, loopback to real world external IP addresses, etc.); then forwards the packets out the physical interfaces using a linux specific socket type, PF_PACKET. I believe that the Solaris dlpi interface can adequately help me with the packet handling along the nature of PF_PACKET. The difficult area is the interception of the packets from the proxies into the packet engine. When the proxies do the STREAM writes, they are sending packets to a non-existent listner on the loopback. The iptables QUEUE target on Linux lets me snatch the proxies' stream output as packets from the protocol stack, stopping their travel back up the stack to the non-existent listner. This accomplishes two requisite goals: 1) performs the conversion from streams to packets; and 2) prevents the protocol stack from sending a RESET to the proxies. The capability in the above paragraph is what we need to duplicate on Solaris Can anybody help ? Anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
[ilugd] Acers laptop ads
I wonder how many folks here have read the fine print in the latest of Acer's Sub 40k notebook ads. They bundle Linux on them, and mention at the bottom in small print, something like this: The linux that is preloaded is a free version and would have limited functionality until another operating system is installed. Is this another way for these hardware vendors to appease Microsoft while trying to sell budget notebooks bundled with Linux? - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya *Puroga Technologies * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: http://www.puroga.com * Home/Blog: http://www.sandipb.net/blog PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads
On Friday 23 Sep 2005 11:21 pm, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: Is this another way for these hardware vendors to appease Microsoft while trying to sell budget notebooks bundled with Linux? yes -- regards kg http://www.livejournal.com/users/lawgon tally ho! http://avsap.org.in ಇಂಡ್ಲಿನಕ್ಸ வாழ்க! ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads
On Saturday 24 Sep 2005 6:37 am, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Friday 23 Sep 2005 11:21 pm, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: Is this another way for these hardware vendors to appease Microsoft while trying to sell budget notebooks bundled with Linux? yes there is apparently an unwritten instruction to dealers to rip out linux and install a 'proper' operating system after the customer accepts delivery - I have no proof of this, but it is a reasonable assumption to make based on the behaviour of the average dealer -- regards kg http://www.livejournal.com/users/lawgon tally ho! http://avsap.org.in ಇಂಡ್ಲಿನಕ್ಸ வாழ்க! ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: ILUG-D: SOS ! SOS !
On 9/23/05, Nishikant Kapoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message from lalit: hi experts i m new to linux and having probs. related to installation of additional softwares. i installed xandros which came along with a Magazn. help me plz also i use Reliance fone for Net conntn. Tell how to config. that Damn modem... i m really fucked but wanna use linux at any COST I mean it. After the fuck...and I mean it too ;-) See the output of /var/log/messages when you connect the USB cable of Reliance phone. Share the output for any meaningful solution. Most likely you computer is not loading theright modules. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads
On 9/23/05, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how many folks here have read the fine print in the latest of Acer's Sub 40k notebook ads. They bundle Linux on them, and mention at the bottom in small print, something like this: The linux that is preloaded is a free version and would have limited functionality until another operating system is installed. Is this another way for these hardware vendors to appease Microsoft while trying to sell budget notebooks bundled with Linux? I can not comment on intentions of other potential users but Limpus Linux that came preinstalled on this laptop was nothing to even try. Loading Ubuntu/FC3/FC4 fialed. Debian/FC2/CentOS/RHEL-WS works but barely as there seems to be somespecific hardware issue with read-writes. hdparm says DMA is enabled, dmesg says otherwise. And I am struggling for last four weeks and ruing my decision to purchase WiFi enabled note book. OTOH the other note book - Acer celeron works cool! -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] [LIG] Where is the community?
Hi On Friday 23 September 2005 13:49, Pankaj kaushal wrote: Hello all, Since early this month, a discussion has been floating around and has been quite visible. Some background can be found from the following links. Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Tell you what? Lots of people seem to disagree with the way foss.in is being run (and possibly with the people running it). So go ahead. Call in Brian Behlendorf, Wietse etc and do an event somewhere else other than bangalore. Madras, or Delhi, or Hyderabad. Places that have active, thriving LUG communities. Maybe the issue is not entirely about free or proprietory software. People are switiching to open source for a variety of reasons - philosophy, technical, economics whatever. There is that freedom to choose an element to believe in. But , well the but is simply its the core philosophy of open source - read transparency, read community involvement, read right to know that is the foundation of this movement.If People want to call it that and I think it is. So is every question about how a FOSS event going to be counterposed with do your own - well then whats the community about it, if the questions are valid they require a response with the same intention - that of being able to discuss things freely. Free and Open Source Source Software has a history and a philosophy born from that history. Just calling in the great names ??? of the open source software world does not make an event either an open source event nor is it reflective of a sense of community. Almost like saying call all the leader of democratic nations and it makes a great democratic summit, well just to pitch further its the difference between a G8 summit, or some trade summit and a World Social Forum. Both are events of democracy but its clear which is more democratic than the other. The former two have hidden agenda;s , read between the line stuff and negotiations that affect the poorest community somewhere - something that a community will only know when its too late. Speaking entirely for myself, as I've helped manage and run international conferences for the last few years (sanog, apricot etc). If you have clear well defined criteria for the cfp and you also ensure that the accepted papers meet these criteria, you're all set, and that's what you can reasonably expect from a good program committee. The question is who sets these criteria and who all know about it -and can potential presenters with radically different views hope to meet those criteria - even though they might be users and makers of fantastic software or some such FOSS stuff Also there must be lots of community support for the event, so that it gets well attended. ahh the perennial question - will the community be there - we wont know till we try , and those who try would know would n't they. The fact is most decent communities always rally around , whatever the circumstances , The ones that are built with care and with real stuff more so. About the FOSS aspect, Linux, for me, is an OS, a tool to get things done the best, fastest way. Free, open source, non free etc apps running on linux - I dont particularly care as long as there's what is commonly termed operational content - technical stuff, coding, sysadmining, operation etc of linux and linux based apps, rather than marketing fluff. Yes - FOSS should not be any less that high cost proprietory software - but is that the starting point. Is the arguement going to be unless it is as good or better I won't use it - I am not sure thats the only thing that drives FOSS. Not for me atleast I am willing to be a part of the FOSS movement becuase its deeper - its about freedom and a real freedom of choice. That the technology may be superior etc is a factor that helps a lot. You'll find cray building non free (in fact, they cost about a million dollars apiece, and that's quite cheap as crays go) supercomputer clusters running linux. Getting someone from Cray to present at that conference would be great [we had Mark Dalton from cray at ilug chennai recently, its up on our site wiki somewhere) So cray uses linux - so does NASA , yes they like the technology , the stability, security and scalability Linux offers - so they partake of good technology but do the believe that if they share what they know it would be more valuable ?? bet you that they have a different philosophy when it comes to their own knowlegde ?? Too much of a good thins isn't it. Take what comes free and the OS community will be happy because its free pubilicty for their cause. What does Cray / NaSA and the likes actually give to the community - will they give their source code - ever. I have my doubts - so then what is their stake ? srs ram ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Where is the community?
At 2005-09-23 16:35:27 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does Cray / NaSA and the likes actually give to the community - will they give their source code - ever. I have my doubts - so then what is their stake ? NASA has contributed a *lot* to Linux. Donald Becker's work at NASA is how Linux first got into the supercomputing space (Beowulf), and he's the reason the kernel has such excellent Ethernet device support. Ask Google about cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov sometime. I don't remember offhand if Cray has contributed anything, but did you know that the NSA (the US National Security Agency) was responsible for the development of SELinux? Not only did they contribute it back, most distributions ship with it these days. (But that's not the point. It *doesn't matter* what anyone's stake is. Anyone may use free software for whatever reason, as long as they are complying with the terms of the license. It doesn't matter if you like them or not, or what they believe in. That's what free means.) -- ams ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
