Re: [ilugd] more mail mangling (was Re: DNS settings)
At 2005-09-25 10:40:11 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > > match-clients { 10.1.0.0 ; };
> >
> > OK, so what is it that's doing the thing?
>
> this is wrong... http is nothing to do with dns (its is ip resolution,
> not the port ).
You've misunderstood my question horribly. Did you notice that I changed
the subject? Did you read my question?
Where you had typed "10.1.0.0" in your message, something had inserted a
"" after it by the time it got to me. Where you'd typed
"named.ca", there was an "" after it. (After digging in
my mailbox, I notice that all of the instances of this happening on the
list in the last couple of weeks have been in mail sent from gmail. And
there have been quite a few.)
But thank you for your clarification. I'll try to remember that HTTP has
nothing to do with the DNS.
-- ams
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Re: [ilugd] more mail mangling (was Re: DNS settings)
Morning ams,
> match-clients { 10.1.0.0 ; };
> OK, so what is it that's doing the thing?
this is wrong... http is nothing to do with dns (its is ip resolution, not
the port ).
match-clients { 10.1.0.0 ; }; # this is what makes sense
for network.
Regards,
Animesh.
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Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sandip Bhattacharya on Saturday 24 Sep 2005 22:15 wrote: > On Saturday, 24 Sep 2005 13:50, Guntupalli Karunakar wrote: > >> >> my cousin studying at IIT bought one on bank loan yesterday from acer >> mall in NP. it had some linpus linux, kernel boots & ur just dropped >> into a root shell, with two partitions hda1 (linux) hda2 (windows). >> & there was no linpus CD to go with it! >> > > > Hmm. In that case, they are right. The OS is of limited functionality. Of > course, the fact remains that they are giving the customer a crippled OS. > They're doing the right thing. Since it's difficult to cover every users who use GNU/Linux on laptops because most would have their own distinguished choice, it's better to ship a bare bone OS to lower the price and leave it up to the user to choose whatever s/he wants. rrs - -- Ritesh Raj Sarraf RESEARCHUT -- http://www.researchut.com Gnupg Key ID: 04F130BC "Stealing logic from one person is plagiarism, stealing from many is research." "Necessity is the mother of invention." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDNgKS4Rhi6gTxMLwRAnCvAJ0aYW1tdAjvibjur/nI1QdMC+RlJACfa/Bt xp+Z310McwBhZ4JEJU7gqc0= =ProA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sudev Barar on Sunday 25 Sep 2005 06:47 wrote: > On 9/25/05, Ritesh Raj Sarraf > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [SNIP] >> Something which is preferred by you isn't at all preferred by me. When I >> bought my laptop, it came shipped with Mandrake Linux, which I'm sure you >> like, but wasn't my preferred choice. So what do I do, say that the >> company > > Which laptop was that? AFAIK Compaq does ship with mandrake but it has > pcdos pre-installed and you are given a sealed pack Mandrake thatyou > install atyourown risk with no support by them. > Compaq Presario 2203AL. In fact they had removed Linux and installed Windows XP on it before demonstrating it to me. :-) I'm not sure if FreeDOS was also available as an option or not. But the offer covered Linux. > [SNIP] >> BTW, whatever distribution ACER shipped with its laptop, does it cover >> support ? If yes, bug them. > > That is what I have been doing in my instance. But Limpus Linux is > really a small CLI distro that even if they supported would not get > things done for me. "me". That's what I was trying to address. We all have different choices. rrs - -- Ritesh Raj Sarraf RESEARCHUT -- http://www.researchut.com Gnupg Key ID: 04F130BC "Stealing logic from one person is plagiarism, stealing from many is research." "Necessity is the mother of invention." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDNgHX4Rhi6gTxMLwRAt4MAKCF+4aTBi/EB8puXsWFbFKPARfEnACeKp1W oz0MhQMjnOsMXQgIZ6bJk9U= =LZxS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads
On 9/25/05, Ritesh Raj Sarraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [SNIP] > Something which is preferred by you isn't at all preferred by me. When I > bought my laptop, it came shipped with Mandrake Linux, which I'm sure you > like, but wasn't my preferred choice. So what do I do, say that the company Which laptop was that? AFAIK Compaq does ship with mandrake but it has pcdos pre-installed and you are given a sealed pack Mandrake thatyou install atyourown risk with no support by them. [SNIP] > BTW, whatever distribution ACER shipped with its laptop, does it cover > support ? If yes, bug them. That is what I have been doing in my instance. But Limpus Linux is really a small CLI distro that even if they supported would not get things done for me. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sirtaj Singh Kang on Sunday 25 Sep 2005 05:26 wrote: > > On Sunday 25 September 2005 04:02, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > [snip] >> Hope this helps most of you guys arguments about XXX company is bad >> because they shipped linux without configuring it. > > Sorry no, it doesn't help us. If the machine is shipped effectively > without an OS, they should say so clearly. Anything else is called > deceptive advertising. > > Consumer perspective: Either you are getting a ready-to-use system, or you > are not. If you were told it came preinstalled with windows, but it dumped > you to an 8bit 640x480 VGA screen without drivers for any of the hardware, > are you going to go "oh well, that served me right, I really should have > expected that I'll need to hire an MCA to set this up for me"? I don't > think so. > > Linux/Open source developer perspective: They are misrepresenting the > software we are providing to the world, and we have a right to make a > noise about it. The value of our brands and trademarks need to be > protected. > > -Taj. > That's a valid demand but not an easy task to do. Besides individual choices a company also has to make sure that its product lives and succeeds in the market. Free Software gives "choice", which is good but not uniform. Something which is preferred by you isn't at all preferred by me. When I bought my laptop, it came shipped with Mandrake Linux, which I'm sure you like, but wasn't my preferred choice. So what do I do, say that the company is evil that it doesn't provide me the freedom to choose the distribution of my choice. No, certainly not. I really get surprised when people start shouting that Red Hat is evil because it changed "Red Hat" to "Red Hat Enterprise Linux". Just by selling Documentation you can't survive. Engineering requires resources and money. GNU/Linux is still not a single entity. Any vendor prefers a SPOC to work with. That's one reason why Microsoft succeeded. None of the Unixes in the early 90's had a common standard. So if a vendor was to support Unix, he had to support multiple variants and work with multiple vendors. And that's the same case we're facing today again. If we really need to fix such issues, we need to "fast" and "properly" work on standardization (stuffs like LSB 3.0, LCC et cetera) BTW, whatever distribution ACER shipped with its laptop, does it cover support ? If yes, bug them. rrs - -- Ritesh Raj Sarraf RESEARCHUT -- http://www.researchut.com Gnupg Key ID: 04F130BC "Stealing logic from one person is plagiarism, stealing from many is research." "Necessity is the mother of invention." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDNezm4Rhi6gTxMLwRAvqAAKCD5D2r5kHjh6ars0EIrk5OahAwDgCfU7/b JGtRstpnOrTdxWaN70+iHbg= =VAW/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads
On Sunday 25 September 2005 04:02, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: [snip] > Hope this helps most of you guys arguments about XXX company is bad because > they shipped linux without configuring it. Sorry no, it doesn't help us. If the machine is shipped effectively without an OS, they should say so clearly. Anything else is called deceptive advertising. Consumer perspective: Either you are getting a ready-to-use system, or you are not. If you were told it came preinstalled with windows, but it dumped you to an 8bit 640x480 VGA screen without drivers for any of the hardware, are you going to go "oh well, that served me right, I really should have expected that I'll need to hire an MCA to set this up for me"? I don't think so. Linux/Open source developer perspective: They are misrepresenting the software we are providing to the world, and we have a right to make a noise about it. The value of our brands and trademarks need to be protected. -Taj. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Saturday 24 Sep 2005 11:39 wrote: > I do'nt remember which is the exact model, but I had to give a blast to > the sales person from one of these Acer shops who came to my office for a > demo. I was shocked to see that the said Linux based Acer laptop came with > Linux installed but just the "Command Line Interface", enough to scare > away potential newbie / someone willing to move over to Linux. I tend to > think that it is an institutional prompting by Acer to buy cheaper laptops > and have the customer do the piracy part without putting itself to risk. Linux is still, a pain in the ass, to configure; especially in case of laptops. It's an open world. You want a laptop without Windows, you get it. Now you want it fully configured, do it yourself. If you can't, hire me. Even when you buy a notebook with Microsoft loaded, if there are issues with the OS, you are redirected to Microsoft for support. In case of linux whom do you expect ? There are just too many distros with no single major distro. Hope this helps most of you guys arguments about XXX company is bad because they shipped linux without configuring it. rrs - -- Ritesh Raj Sarraf RESEARCHUT -- http://www.researchut.com Gnupg Key ID: 04F130BC "Stealing logic from one person is plagiarism, stealing from many is research." "Necessity is the mother of invention." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDNdQJ4Rhi6gTxMLwRApsNAKCjVknorzl4wykdui2OSEVRoHb5dgCeLs30 l7P9i8wOGCZ6wyuLGW42Xyg= =nSVc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] IPTABLES QUEUE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I don't think it to be that simple and easy for you (or anyone else) to move GPL code to Solaris. rrs Anand Kapoor on Friday 23 Sep 2005 23:17 wrote: > Hello, > > Does anybody know the Solaris 10 equivalent (ipf) of the Linux "iptables > QUEUE" target .. i am specifically looking for something in IPF. IPFW > has something called divert which does similar stuff. > > > In detail what i am trying to do here is move an application from > Linux to Solaris: > > The iptables functional replacement I am looking for on Solaris 10 is > the QUEUE (to userland) behavior. The appication's Layer 7 proxies > all operate as daemons using sockets of type SOCK_STREAM. They write > packets back to the userland packet engine on the loopback interface. > The packet engine does Layer 2-4 work on them (address translation, > loopback to real world external IP addresses, etc.); then forwards the > packets out the physical interfaces using a linux specific socket > type, PF_PACKET. > > I believe that the Solaris dlpi interface can adequately help me with > the packet handling along the nature of PF_PACKET. The difficult area > is the interception of the packets from the proxies into the packet > engine. When the proxies do the STREAM writes, they are sending > packets to a non-existent "listner" on the loopback. The iptables > QUEUE target on Linux lets me snatch the proxies' stream output as > packets from the protocol stack, stopping their travel back up the > stack to the non-existent listner. This accomplishes two requisite > goals: 1) performs the conversion from streams to packets; and 2) > prevents the protocol stack from sending a RESET to the proxies. > > The capability in the above paragraph is what we need to duplicate on > Solaris > > > > Can anybody help ? > > - -- Ritesh Raj Sarraf RESEARCHUT -- http://www.researchut.com Gnupg Key ID: 04F130BC "Stealing logic from one person is plagiarism, stealing from many is research." "Necessity is the mother of invention." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDNdLa4Rhi6gTxMLwRAo7xAJoDaQcohqVPi0NX8zSilwi6PgE7pACfYAHa kcVwemFWzQn87IhfFaPv7Ho= =KNPq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
[ilugd] more mail mangling (was Re: DNS settings)
At 2005-09-25 00:51:10 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> view "internal" {
> match-clients { 10.1.0.0 ; };
> recursion no; /* this is the default */
>
> zone "." {
> type hint;
> file "named.ca ";
OK, so what is it that's doing the thing?
-- ams
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Re: [ilugd] DNS settings
Evening Abhinav,
FYI,
view "internal" {
match-clients { 10.1.0.0 ; };
recursion no; /* this is the default */
zone "." {
type hint;
file "named.ca ";
};
zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" {
type master;
file "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa.zone";
};
zone "10.101.10.in-addr.arpa" {
type master;
file "10.101.10.in-addr.arpa.zone";
};
.
.
};
view "external" {
match-clients { 0.0.0.0 ; };
recursion no;
zone "." {
type hint;
file "named.ca ";
};
zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" {
type master;
file "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa.zone";
};
.
...
..
}
Regards,
Animesh.
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Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads
On Saturday, 24 Sep 2005 13:50, Guntupalli Karunakar wrote: > > my cousin studying at IIT bought one on bank loan yesterday from acer > mall in NP. it had some linpus linux, kernel boots & ur just dropped > into a root shell, with two partitions hda1 (linux) hda2 (windows). > & there was no linpus CD to go with it! > Hmm. In that case, they are right. The OS is of limited functionality. Of course, the fact remains that they are giving the customer a crippled OS. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya *Puroga Technologies * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: http://www.puroga.com * Home/Blog: http://www.sandipb.net/blog PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Where is the community?
On Saturday, 24 Sep 2005 12:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Call > is social responsibility, call it a *"request from the community"* > Sounds more like dictating a social *duty*. > This, however, is from the view point of a community versus corporate > - where the community is the large amorphous mass (whose collective > resources base is large but individual resource base disparately > distributed) and the corporate are the proprietory privateers (who have > even larger private and unshared resources) whose sole motive is profit, > wherever it may come from and whatever the cost. So is there a > responsibility with that freedom , to access code, to make profits etc > and my uneducated question is are they giving back from where they have > taken - > Somehow there is this difference in attitude between Free software folks and the *BSD guys that keeps irritating me. Our main idea is to benefit the *community* right? By the community, for the community ... that is what we would want to say, right? So what is this antagonism towards people making money or people with wealth who are using this software? Why do we care? As long as the community keeps getting better and better over time, we have accomplished what we have to. When you use words like "responsibility" or "giving back", you *are* talking about strings attached to using Free software. If there are such strings, put them in the damn licence, otherwise nobody has the right to interpret the licence or its "spirit", whether they are Free or closed source software people. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya *Puroga Technologies * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: http://www.puroga.com * Home/Blog: http://www.sandipb.net/blog PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] DNS settings
Correct me if I am wrong but if i understand your situtation you want your DNS server to respond with different answers depending on the source of the query i;e. lets see Subnets1-10 query the DNS server the answer should be different from the the answer Ssubnets 9-100 would get. if that is the case then look up on DNS views. "Views allow you to present one name server configuration to one community of hosts and a different configuration to another community. This is particularly handy if you're running a name server on a host that receives queries from both your internal hosts and hosts on the Internet" - O'Reilly DNS & BIND, 4th Edition. Tell me if this helped. Anand On 9/24/05, Abhinav Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am student of ITBHU , i had the following suituation : > > We have 100 subnets in our network and we have one DNS server for all of > them . Now we want to configure different DNS settings for 10 subnets and > different for the rest 90 . > > How should we go about it ? > > Thanking you all in anticipation > -- > Abhinav Jain > UnderGraduate Student > Department of Computer Science and Engineering > Institute of Technology , Banaras Hindu University > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > +91 - 9935614327 > ___ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > > Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in > ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Where is the community?
Now I'm confused. At 2005-09-24 12:39:26 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > There is that cliched statement of freedom - "ones freedom ends when > it begins to affect anothers" [...] > > they are not (rather should not be) free to choose to *not contribute* Why not? And what are you saying they should contribute, exactly? And how do their decisions in this regard affect your own freedom? -- ams ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Nice Reading: http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/ {Nothing to do with linux}
Tushar Shah wrote: > ___ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > > Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in > whats nice reading kindly paste the link onto the message and not as subject line ram ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads
On 9/24/05, Guntupalli Karunakar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:21:01 +0530 > Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I wonder how many folks here have read the fine print in the latest > > of Acer's "Sub 40k" notebook ads. They bundle Linux on them, and > > mention at the bottom in small print, something like this: > > > > "The linux that is preloaded is a free version and would have > > limited functionality until another operating system is installed". > > > > Is this another way for these hardware vendors to appease Microsoft > > while trying to sell budget notebooks bundled with Linux? > > > my cousin studying at IIT bought one on bank loan yesterday from acer > mall in NP. it had some linpus linux, kernel boots & ur just dropped > into a root shell, with two partitions hda1 (linux) hda2 (windows). > & there was no linpus CD to go with it! QED for Sandip's surmise. Customer is driving down prices for everything and in the end people on "Lal"mond Pahaadi will also follow suite? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
[ilugd] DNS settings
I am student of ITBHU , i had the following suituation : We have 100 subnets in our network and we have one DNS server for all of them . Now we want to configure different DNS settings for 10 subnets and different for the rest 90 . How should we go about it ? Thanking you all in anticipation -- Abhinav Jain UnderGraduate Student Department of Computer Science and Engineering Institute of Technology , Banaras Hindu University [EMAIL PROTECTED] +91 - 9935614327 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:21:01 +0530 Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder how many folks here have read the fine print in the latest > of Acer's "Sub 40k" notebook ads. They bundle Linux on them, and > mention at the bottom in small print, something like this: > > "The linux that is preloaded is a free version and would have > limited functionality until another operating system is installed". > > Is this another way for these hardware vendors to appease Microsoft > while trying to sell budget notebooks bundled with Linux? > my cousin studying at IIT bought one on bank loan yesterday from acer mall in NP. it had some linpus linux, kernel boots & ur just dropped into a root shell, with two partitions hda1 (linux) hda2 (windows). & there was no linpus CD to go with it! Karunakar -- * * Work: http://www.indlinux.org * * Blog: http://cartoonsoft.com/blog * * ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] Where is the community?
Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: > At 2005-09-23 16:35:27 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>What does Cray / NaSA and the likes actually give to the community - >>will they give their source code - ever. I have my doubts - so then >>what is their stake ? > > > NASA has contributed a *lot* to Linux. Donald Becker's work at NASA is > how Linux first got into the supercomputing space (Beowulf), and he's > the reason the kernel has such excellent Ethernet device support. Ask > Google about "cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov" sometime. > > I don't remember offhand if Cray has contributed anything, but did you > know that the NSA (the US National Security Agency) was responsible for > the development of SELinux? Not only did they contribute it back, most > distributions ship with it these days.- Thanks - thats education and good to know and 3 cheers for NASA - really > > (But that's not the point. It *doesn't matter* what anyone's stake is. > Anyone may use free software for whatever reason, as long as they are > complying with the terms of the license. It doesn't matter if you like > them or not, or what they believe in. That's what "free" means.) I won't argue at the licensing terms - of course they may be complying with the licenses and again everyone is free to choose whichever way they want to go. But is open source and the *community initiative * only about about complying with licenses. There is that cliched statement of freedom - "ones freedom ends when it begins to affect anothers" - so their ( the solid state commercial interests) freedom does not just end with everything is *free forever and after* thats the ultimate fantasy of the capitalist crowd- they are not (rather should not be) free to choose to *not contribute* - irrespective of licenses. Because it would be nice to think we are not talking only licenses and legalities. Call is social responsibility, call it a *"request from the community"* This, however, is from the view point of a community versus corporate - where the community is the large amorphous mass (whose collective resources base is large but individual resource base disparately distributed) and the corporate are the proprietory privateers (who have even larger private and unshared resources) whose sole motive is profit, wherever it may come from and whatever the cost. So is there a responsibility with that freedom , to access code, to make profits etc and my uneducated question is are they giving back from where they have taken - Maybe for this discussion I bring my own baggage of what a communtiy should be like and what the big corporate brother is up too. ram > > -- ams > > ___ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > > Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in > ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th & 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
