Re: [ilugd] Join ICONS community: A new Internet informational portal from APNIC

2005-09-28 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wednesday 28 Sep 2005 12:14 pm, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote:
 At 2005-09-28 16:38:08 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  To join the ICONS community please go to:
 
 http://icons.apnic.net/

 Just how many times does this need to be announced?

why shouldnt foss also have agressive marketing? (i see from the list 
footers that we are still marketing freedel)
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Re: [ilugd] Fastest Desktop Linux

2005-09-28 Thread satyakam goswami
 Thanks a lot sir, I am really looking forward for the
 meet. I think my topic would be How Linux helps small
 enterprises and enterprenuers Grow. Regarding Slides,
 a normal PPT would do??
hmm no ppt just slides using anything FOSS like  office impress , css
,latex,s5, html or any other tool you are comfortable with.
 I am still a bit shaky about it, so i would like to
 know, how many guys would be there?? and when  where
 it will be hosted this time?
Young Turk like you Shaky  it does not sound too convincing prove it ;-)

cheers
Satyakam

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[ilugd] Mailing list stats

2005-09-28 Thread Pankaj kaushal

From 12/15/04 14:56 to now()

Total Lines does not count attachments, only the main body of the
message.  Messages which contain only attachments count as 0 lines.

Original lines are the subset of Total Lines that are not
preceeded by .

Noise is the other part -- the quoted material.

The stats willbe off for HTML messages :P

Total Messages:  2921
Total Original Body Lines:   76379
Total Body Lines:133650  (43% noise)


Sorted by messages posted:
 Total Total  Total
  Messages  Original  Lines:
Posted:Lines:

 1:Raj Mathur   369 26227 34854  (25% noise)
 2:Sandip Bhattacharya  156  2828  5417  (48% noise)
 3:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   114  2172  5152  (58% noise)
 4:Raj shekhar  107  1961  3365  (42% noise)
 5:Abhijit Menon-Sen101  1391  2678  (49% noise)
 6:vivek khurana 73  1686  3787  (56% noise)
 7:gaurav71  1257  3507  (65% noise)
 8:Gaurav Mishra 69  1196  1985  (40% noise)
 9:Mayank Jain   65  1272  2015  (37% noise)
10:Nishikant Kapoor  55  2117  2686  (22% noise)
11:Saurabh Nanda 51   839  1365  (39% noise)
12:Kenneth Gonsalves 46   302   433  (31% noise)
13:Ankit Malik   46   630  1692  (63% noise)
14:Sudev Barar   44   638  1312  (52% noise)
15:Ritesh Raj Sarraf 41  1093  1941  (44% noise)
16:Mithun Bhattacharya   41   758  1450  (48% noise)
17:Sudev Barar   40   579  1025  (44% noise)
18:santosh dubey 37   808  1404  (43% noise)
19:SWAPNIL   35   901  1749  (49% noise)
20:Pankaj kaushal34   616  1113  (45% noise)
21:Viksit Gaur   34  1257  1990  (37% noise)
22:Ajay Mulwani  32   460  1103  (59% noise)
23:Ankur Rohatgi 31   749  1050  (29% noise)
24:Vivek Kapoor  27   495  1019  (52% noise)
25:thomas27   576   906  (37% noise)

Sorted by original lines posted:
 Total Total  Total
  Messages  Original  Lines:
Posted:Lines:

 1:Raj Mathur   369 26227 34854  (25% noise)
 2:Sandip Bhattacharya  156  2828  5417  (48% noise)
 3:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   114  2172  5152  (58% noise)
 4:Nishikant Kapoor  55  2117  2686  (22% noise)
 5:Raj shekhar  107  1961  3365  (42% noise)
 6:vivek khurana 73  1686  3787  (56% noise)
 7:Abhijit Menon-Sen101  1391  2678  (49% noise)
 8:Mayank Jain   65  1272  2015  (37% noise)
 9:gaurav71  1257  3507  (65% noise)
10:Viksit Gaur   34  1257  1990  (37% noise)
11:Gaurav Mishra 69  1196  1985  (40% noise)
12:Ritesh Raj Sarraf 41  1093  1941  (44% noise)
13:SWAPNIL   35   901  1749  (49% noise)
14:Navneet Choudhary 19   861  1432  (40% noise)
15:Saurabh Nanda 51   839  1365  (39% noise)
16:santosh dubey 37   808  1404  (43% noise)
17:Mithun Bhattacharya   41   758  1450  (48% noise)
18:Ankur Rohatgi 31   749  1050  (29% noise)
19:Ritesh Agrawal25   731  1254  (42% noise)
20:Frederick Noronha (FN) 9   694   869  (21% noise)
21:Sudev Barar   44   638  1312  (52% noise)
22:Ankit Malik   46   630  1692  (63% noise)
23:Pankaj kaushal34   616  1113  (45% noise)
24:Tarun Dua 23   580   925  (38% noise)
25:Sudev Barar   40   579  1025  (44% noise)

Sorted by total lines posted:
 Total Total  Total
  Messages  Original  Lines:
Posted:Lines:

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 2:Sandip Bhattacharya  156  2828  5417  (48% noise)
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 4:vivek khurana 73  1686  3787  

Re: [ilugd] Giving up on scratched CDs and ejecting mounted CDs

2005-09-28 Thread Gaurav Mishra
to simple commands assuming drive location is /mnt/cdrom

umount -f  /mnt/cdrom

fuser -mv /mnt/cdrom shows the pid
and kill pid

:)

On 28 Sep 2005 03:39:47 -, bimal  pandit
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear Sir,

   ---SNIP-

 Thus, one can't unmount the CD cuz it's supposedly busy, and one can't eject
 the
 CD cuz it's mounted. The only solution being a reboot.

   ---SNIP-

 use umount -l device also could use fuser to identify the PID/Process
 which is making your device busy and then kill it.

 please refer man pages of both for more options/clarifications.

 regards,

 Bimal Pandit
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Re: [ilugd] Fastest Desktop Linux

2005-09-28 Thread Gaurav Mishra
as far as Disros goes Ubuntu on Deb package and Yoper for rpm rules.

 Hey i am 21 and got involved in a lot of meet and says i am
one of the youngest member.

On 9/28/05, satyakam goswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks a lot sir, I am really looking forward for the
  meet. I think my topic would be How Linux helps small
  enterprises and enterprenuers Grow. Regarding Slides,
  a normal PPT would do??
 hmm no ppt just slides using anything FOSS like  office impress , css
 ,latex,s5, html or any other tool you are comfortable with.
  I am still a bit shaky about it, so i would like to
  know, how many guys would be there?? and when  where
  it will be hosted this time?
 Young Turk like you Shaky  it does not sound too convincing prove it ;-)

 cheers
 Satyakam

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Re: [ilugd] Mailing list stats

2005-09-28 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2005-09-28 19:30:34 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [Quoted text snipped. Must... reduce... noise level!]

Very nice. Thanks.

Do you feel like sharing the code you used to derive these statistics?
I wouldn't mind running it against a couple of other lists I'm on.

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Re: [ilugd] Mailing list stats

2005-09-28 Thread Raj Mathur
 ams == Abhijit Menon-Sen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ams At 2005-09-28 19:30:34 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ams wrote:
 [Quoted text snipped. Must... reduce... noise level!]

ams Very nice. Thanks.

ams Do you feel like sharing the code you used to derive these
ams statistics?  I wouldn't mind running it against a couple of
ams other lists I'm on.

Me too. /aol

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Re: [ilugd] Mailing list stats

2005-09-28 Thread Raj Mathur
 Pankaj == Pankaj kaushal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 From 12/15/04 14:56 to now()

Pankaj Total Lines does not count attachments, only the main
Pankaj body of the message.  Messages which contain only
Pankaj attachments count as 0 lines.

Nice.

Now can you please remove all my posts that have [SECURITY] in the
topic and recount?

*Hint* use grepmail -v -s '[SECURITY]' or something.

Regards,

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[ilugd] IOSN regional node

2005-09-28 Thread Raj Mathur
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi,

The International Open Source Network (IOSN), a UNDP-APDIP project is
looking for qualified organisations to act as a regional node in South
Asia.  I'm enclosing the original message(s).

In the meantime, some of us met up yesterday and discussed whether
it's feasible for us (ILUG-Delhi) to do it and what we could look at
doing if it is.  The conclusions we came to are that it's feasible and
we should apply for node-hood.  Some of the ideas that came up are
(translated from Mary's notes, so necessarily obscure):

Can we sustain any initiative we start beyond the 1.5 years that the
funding would be available for?  Do we need to only look at projects
that can show results in 1.5 years or should we look at longer-term
projects too?

Question of infrastructure based practice or loosely structured.  Do
we need to get infrastructure in place or can we manage with minimal
stuff?  My feeling is that we can manage without much infrastructure.

Possible initiatives
- 

* Multilingual courseware - with active participation with the clients

* Font design - via competitions with independent jury

* Supporting Linux initiatives in local colleges/schools via workshops

* Training in floss technologies ((non)commercial)

* Events

* Research
* OCR, MT, speech - text
* GIS and local applications
* UI and domain specific apps
  * self hosted documentation cds etc
  * libraries, multimedia practice

* Connecting community projects with possible candidates

* Help NGOS advocate linux
   
* ADVOCACY
  * distributing cds
  * writing articles -- posters, newsletters etc

* FOSS support in the region

One thing came up very clearly -- no one would be paid except for
project-related expenses (e.g. paying a member for conducting
training, etc.) so that we can make best use of the money.  All other
work would have to be voluntary (possibly accompanied by screams of
pain :)

Gora Mohanty is fleshing out a template proposal and Kishore is
working out a top-level expenses breakdown to be attached.

Thoughts, ideas, offers of support welcome.  The next meeting will be
announced Real Soon Now.

Regards,

- -- Raju
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Original Message


From: Sunil Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [india-gii] UNDP/APDIP/IOSN Sub-regional Nodes - Extension of
deadline
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:00:25 +0530

--===1943427870==

---
Extension of deadline for receiving expressions of interest to manage a 
sub-regional node of the International Open Source Network.
---

This is with regard to our earlier announcement, appended below and also 
available from here:- www.iosn.net/about/news/regional-nodes-request
We have received some requests [at FOSSAP II and by email] for extension of 
deadline. In response to these requests, the deadline for receiving expressions 
of interest has been revised from 20 September 2005 to 10 October 2005. We hope 
this will give everyone sufficient time.

We would also like to use this opportunity to answer some of the questions that 
accompanied the requests.

QUESTION 1: How much money will UNDP/APDIP/IOSN provide to the sub-regional 
node?

UNDP/APDIP/IOSN will provide up-to USD 75,000 for the project period - January 
2006 to June 2007. Apart from financial support UNDP/APDIP/IOSN will also 
provide technical and incubation support. Additional funds required by the 
sub-regional node could be raised from other donors.

QUESTION 2: What is the scope of work for the sub-regional node.

The node is expected to replicate IOSN's activities at a sub-regional level. 
Very broadly these activities involve - community building, publications, 
trainings, events, micro-grants and research. You can learn more about our 
activities from www.iosn.net. But this should only serve as a general 
guideline. The exact scope of work can only be finalised in consultation with 
the selected organisation. 

QUESTION 3: What about institutional approvals?

We understand that for some large organisations, institutional approvals cannot 
be secured within the aforementioned deadline. We would like to request these 
organisations to submit the expression of interest in principle. 
Institutional approval can be secured at a later date.





Re: [ilugd] IOSN regional node

2005-09-28 Thread Nikhil Prabhakar
Hi,

On 9/28/05, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Hi,

 The International Open Source Network (IOSN), a UNDP-APDIP project is
 looking for qualified organisations to act as a regional node in South
 Asia. I'm enclosing the original message(s).

 In the meantime, some of us met up yesterday and discussed whether
 it's feasible for us (ILUG-Delhi) to do it and what we could look at
 doing if it is. The conclusions we came to are that it's feasible and
 we should apply for node-hood.

Thoughts, ideas, offers of support welcome. The next meeting will be
 announced Real Soon Now.


I look forward to attend the meeting.

Regards
nipra

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Re: [ilugd] Linux friendly Digital camera

2005-09-28 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
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Raj Mathur on Tuesday 27 Sep 2005 07:25 wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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 Vikram == vikram ranade
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Vikram Was curious if there are any digital camera's that work
 Vikram out of the box with linux.  I wanted to get hold of a 2~5
 Vikram Megapixel one for work and I need this to work well with
 Vikram Linux.  By working well i mean that i should be able to
 Vikram mount it as a regular USB drive thru a USB connector cable
 Vikram to copy the pictures and movies off it.  Anybody had good
 Vikram experiences with a specific model or brand that would
 Vikram guide me?  Thanks,
 
 I'm using the Fuji Finepix 2600 which works pretty well with Linux.  I
 don't know the other specs (how many megapixel, etc), but I can use
 the camera as a USB disk easily, and with drivers from sourceforge I
 can also use it as a webcam.  Don't know if the webcam drivers have
 made it to the mainstream kernel yet.
 

I'm using Sony DSC-M1 which Debian (2.6.12.6)
The good thing is that as soon as I plug the USB cable, the OS recognizes it
exactly as the model and make the camera is.
So yes, most of the cameras are supported by Linux.
As for the application, no. Atleast KDE Kcontrol's Digikam module doesn't
list my camera in it.

rrs
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Re: [ilugd] Linux friendly Digital camera

2005-09-28 Thread Gaurav Mishra
using kodak cx6200 easily with ubuntu

On 9/26/05, vikram ranade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Was curious if there are any digital camera's that work out of the box with
 linux.
 I wanted to get hold of a 2~5 Megapixel one for work and I need this to work
 well with
 Linux.
 By working well i mean that i should be able to mount it as a regular USB
 drive thru a USB connector cable to copy the pictures and movies off it.
 Anybody had good experiences with a specific model or brand that would guide
 me?
 Thanks,

 Regards,
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[ilugd] Planning a maiden Linux setup

2005-09-28 Thread anandsha
This issue has been discussed many a times at various fora, but would like to 
refresh just before attempting one.

I am planning to setup a large, maiden linux desktop installation in a Windows 
Centric Environment. Hard realities at ground (1) 99% users will be first 
timers, many may not have heard of it before!! (2) Lack of trained support 
staff, learn by burning your hands, looks like to be the fact of day.

Parameters

1. Single sign on to be achieved with Win2K3-SP1 Active Directory Servers: 
Samba 3.0.20 is the solution in this case, which only FC4 provides as a 
pre-built binary.

2. It is being planned that Desktops will reach end-user stations ready with 
Linux Partitions. I feel that proposed Linux installation preferably use http 
method of installtion along with a kick-start file.

3. With my prior experience, tend to prefer FC. But would like to use the 
updated un-official FC4 distro.

4. Would have to setup a local LAN based repository, so that it is easier to 
install updates.

5. The Windows partition is being already populated with Open Source programs 
viz: OpenOffice2.0, Firefox1.0.7, GAIM, GIMP, Dia, Planner etc to familiarise 
the users. Trainings on these programs is planned to be taken up progressively. 

6. Also planning to setup a FreeNX sever.

7. Should support Hindi as one of the enabled languages.



Require suggestions for setup, selection of appropirate distro, and deployment 
strategy. Experiences in such environment are welcome.



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Re: [ilugd] Mailing list stats

2005-09-28 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wednesday 28 Sep 2005 7:30 pm, Pankaj kaushal wrote:
 Original lines are the subset of Total Lines that are not
 preceeded by .

how do you handle quotes of Raj Mathur whose quotes do not get preceeded 
by  - i notice his noise level is very low beacause of this

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Re: [ilugd] Planning a maiden Linux setup

2005-09-28 Thread Sudev Barar
On 9/29/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 3. With my prior experience, tend to prefer FC. But would like to use the 
 updated un-official FC4 distro.

CentOS may be better as it has updates and patches in sync with RHEL.
And you know my penchant of saying terminal services ;-)

Kickstart with linux askmethod and NFS/HTTP export mount will do the job.
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Re: [ilugd] Planning a maiden Linux setup

2005-09-28 Thread hassath
Hi Anand,

Don't have any technical suggestions, but there seem to be some
similarities in the situation that you describe, and what we have in our
office.

We are an NGO. When we first started almost three years ago, it was
decided to have a FLOSS network- and no proprietary software.


On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 08:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am planning to setup a large, maiden linux desktop installation in a
 Windows Centric Environment. Hard realities at ground (1) 99% users
 will be first timers, many may not have heard of it before!! 

When we started, 100% users were first timers. And to this day, most new
people who join haven't heard about Linux- the poor souls at recruitment
don't know what they are in for! But at the end of the day- they all
work with Linux- and do not hanker for Windows.
 (2) Lack of trained support staff, learn by burning your hands, looks
 like to be the fact of day.

Yes, indeed, that's what happened with us also, though we do have a
great consultant. Today, we have 13 terminals runnings. We never had any
trained support staff- whatever daily support that is currently needed
is given by me- and I have learnt everything from scratch- with a lot of
heartache and pain, but only sometimes ;-). And I have NO technical
background at all. And yet, my office functions fine.Our systems are
NEVER down, and I yet have to come across any major problem thrown up by
my users which I have not been able to solve- with a little guidance
over the phone, and google, and man pages...

Hence, my experience:

- you don't have to be a geek to administer a linux network. All you
need is a willingness to learn- and hard work.

- equally important: you need a lot of patience and a rather thick skin:
one is bound to come across people who want mera windows wala
icon! One has to survive them- and believe me, I have managed.
one should have one's arguments and explanations in place before you
start..

- in one sense, it is easier for people to migrate if they are given no
choice (i know it sounds autocratic, but that's what worked for us. We
did not want pirated software for legal reasons, and we couldn't afford
licensed copies. now, the general users don't even ask for windows)

- an encouraging consultant- whom you can call up and who will walk you
through your initial baby steps: that is an indispensable factor!

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Hassath



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Re: [ilugd] Planning a maiden Linux setup

2005-09-28 Thread hassath

Sorry, forgot to mention:

We run LTSP 3.X series on Red Hat 9. The norm is that disk-less
workstations boot off the network server.
We have a separate machine which acts as our internet gateway and mail
server.

It might help to understand our setup better..

Hassath



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